Why DIDN'T smartphones democratize filmmaking the way people thought it would?

Why DIDN'T smartphones democratize filmmaking the way people thought it would?

It's crazy that the peak of "some random weirdo just decides to make a movie with his friends, then it's a box office hit" was thirty fricking years ago

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's less allure for artistic ambition and ego when anyone could do it.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you miss TikTok/Instareels?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they went to youtube

      Did you miss YTers?

      This is gonna sound more commie than I mean it to but I feel like the whole grindset/influencer thing has poisoned us all
      Nothing will ever be touching or noteworthy or memorable if you not only have to do at least 90 minutes of it a week to stay ahead of the algorithm, but every ten of those minutes stop to go "And by the way, be sure to subscribe to Audible.com, and start playing Raid: Shadow Legends"

      Everybody in the entertainment industry always wanted money obviously, but the logic used to be "Hey, let's make something people will really like, then we'll make money off of it!" instead of building everything from the ground up with KPIs and SEO metrics. We had capitalism back then and we have capitalism now; our capitalism now just seems so much worse.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The pipeline is large and distributed now, decentralized. It used to be forced through a few narrow channels and were higher budget, higher polish productions. We didn't have choices, but we knew our few choices passed quality gates.

        The problem now is that there is so much choice, such a vast array of things out there, that we don't know how to find and pick good stuff out. I find the same problem with music. And our curators have shit taste too so you can't trust their playlists.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because true art can only be made by aristocrats of the soul.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Films shot on 16mm look sovlful, "films" shot on smartphones look doodoo.

    Simple as.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who are creative and motivated enough to try to make a movie would invest in real cameras innit

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they went to youtube

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s extremely hard to make a movie, you need more than just a camera. Let’s compare this to making music, which truly was democratized: using a DAW, you can work alone in your room and produce music of professional quality; you do not ever need to leave your room or interact with another human.

    Even the simplest process of fricking around in iMovie or whatever entails an enormous amount of work that, at a bare minimum, means leaving your room and interacting with other humans. Never mind the fact that you actually have to have taste and talent or else your little iMovie will only be amusing to the people who made it (and even then, the most likely feeling to be evoked is embarrassment). So remember this next time you criticize a movie, no matter how terrible it was: imagine trying to make a movie.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How would you feel if I made a bad movie just for myself to gawk at how bad it is?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn’t feel anything because I would be unaware that it existed

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bad

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because milennials cling to the mainstream for fear of being thought weird for liking something "edgy"

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you miss YTers?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because cameras/film were never the most expensive thing about filmmaking.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dumbest post ITT so far, literally 100% of Clerks budget was the camera and the editing machine
      Kevin Smith got his friends to act for free, used his wagie workplace after hours for a free set, then sold everything he owned and maxed out all his credit cards to access two simple pieces of hardware that todays digital equivalents would cost well under $100.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        slacker might my my favorite movie. i watched it for probably the fourth time the other day and still loved it.

        Alright, you'll won, I'm considering watching this now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh sorry, baby. Should've specified that for 99.9% of films. If you're going that way, you're fricked if you don't have friends who can act.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          kevin smith didn’t have friends who could fricking act either, didn’t stop him from making a classic

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Right, he didn't have to pay for locations or actors or SFX or insurance or permits or any of the other shit that costs a ton of money.

        I admit, you're not wrong at all, it's just that indie films always start with those restrictions on story and all the good ways around them were used up in the Nineties and are now cliches. That and self-obsessed millennial psychology has changed indie filmmaking from sht like Clerks and Kevin Smith to all these boring gays essentially making indie films about their gay romantic lives, like fricking Mark Duplass and Greta Gerwig and Amy Seimetz.

        We still get a couple true indie gems every now and then (Upstream Color), but it's worth noting half the films produced in the US in the 00s were indie conglomerate stuff like Miramax with an average budget of $7M. Donnie Darko was $10M and produced by Drew Barrymore's company.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          easy on the mark duplass slander. Creep is one of the best FF movies.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because there's more to it than just having a camera. Not everyone can do it. Anybody truly worth a damn will get drawn into existing organisations. It was ever so.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't you see the great filmic masterpieces made by the likes of James Rolfe and Doug Walker?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    slacker might my my favorite movie. i watched it for probably the fourth time the other day and still loved it.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are forgetting one important thing. Economics. By giving everyone a camera, you made filmmaking so cheap and devalued the video industry. Now everyone can shoot video with their phones. Even random idiots online can meka YouTube channel. But now no one can get paid for their work.

    You know how many times I've heard clients complain about my pricing and say shit like, "My 12 year old nephew has a YouTube channel. He could shoot this video for much cheaper! I'm not paying your rates."

    Or "Could you just make a quick video for us? We just want a 1 minute video. That should be easy for you right? We'll pay you $50 dollars to come down and film it."

    I use professional lighting gear, camera, and support equipment. They cost me thousands old dollars, and editing the video will take time too. $50 dollars is a joke. Not even worth responding to them.

    Before smartphones, at least this industry had much more respect. Now everyone thinks they can shoot quality video.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YouTube gets flooded with thousands of new short films each week. Not to mention that there's constantly new micro-budget features there as well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. So much amateur kino on YT.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretend That You Love Me is unironically kino. The reason independent films like this aren't box office hits anymore is just that their release is on youtube. The internet is where 99% of people watch movies now anyway, so why not?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the most noteworthy one?

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because in many ways a traditional movie is an outdated medium, in particular because of the way distribution to theaters is locked down by the studios. Lots of people make short films, sketches and more on all sorts of platforms and make a living doing so now.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most people would rather consume than create.

    Also, just because you shoot a film and edited on the cheap doesn't mean getting together the people in front and behind the camera is cheap.
    You need to have money, or to have clout with some sort of scene/crowd with an artistic bent.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This did occur but it didn’t take the form of 2h features, it took the form of YouTube skits. Something like Smosh or Lonely Island

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grim

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is what it is

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    filming with a phone is so soulless that it sucks away any creativity you might have, old camcorders are the opposite

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    everyone knows whats wrong, nobody knows how to fix it. this has been our zeitgeist for well over a decade now. how to put the big tech genie back in its bottle and retake our society without giving up all the convenience the consumer internet has brought us.

    nobody can answer this question in a particularly meaningful way, though everyone feels empowered to take their stab at it. you cant go back to 1990-2010, you can't have a little bit of it.

    the two competing ideas are that the only way out is through, and that this glorious technological revolution is just in its messy stages before it leads to something better, a frankly delusional perspective which has all the wind in the world behind its sails. that or you throw the baby out with the bathwater, which feels like the less scary and vastly more comprehensive resolution but the forces opposing it are truly insurmountable.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone with a camera would rather be an influencer instead. Plus are pozzed currupt garbage right now, even if your adverts normie can't put it into those words, they know it deep down subconsciously.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen all of these and only hated one of them

    I won't leave you in suspense, it was Blair Witch

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it did but it also killed the 2 hour cinema movie

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there are 10,000 films submitted to sundance a year. smartphones certainly did. but zoomers outsource 100 % of their attention to influencers, film festivals, and awards, who are firmly gatekept by israelites to keep those 10,000 films away from you in favor of their own israeli nieces and nephews.

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