Why didnt they just rename him Major Marvel? Freddy could have been Major Marvel Jr.

Why didn’t they just rename him Major Marvel?

Freddy could have been Major Marvel Jr. and Mary would keep the Mary Marvel name.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marvel Comics wanted ALL control over the word Marvel in comics, period.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don’t own every use of the word Marvel. For instance, DC could theoretically still have a book called “Mary Marvel.”

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >DC could theoretically still have a book called “Mary Marvel.”
        Last I checked, DC is heavily discouraged from even calling her that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They legally still can, though. As long as they don’t try to get away with “Captain Marvel, “Miss Marvel,” or “Marvel Man,” then I think they’re in the clear.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Legally for now, but Marvel's no doubt waiting for that one legal exploit that allows them to own all comic-based context of the word forever.

            On the other hand, couldn’t DC just strike a financial deal with Marvel to use the name? That would be extra money for Marvel so I don’t see the downside. “Marketplace confusion” wouldn’t even work since Marvel would be making money from both Captain Marvel characters.

            >couldn’t DC just strike a financial deal with Marvel to use the name?
            They probably tried and Marvel refused every one of them because they won't settle for joint-custody.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They probably tried and Marvel refused every one of them because they won't settle for joint-custody.
              Sounds like they worked themselves into a shoot. Not very business like of them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They CAN still use Captain Marvel, DCeased had Freddy namedropped as Captain Marvel Jr. before killing him, it's not that they can't use the Captain Marvel name, they just can't sell comics or any kind of merch with that name.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I’m aware of that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They just went back to calling her Mary Marvel again.
          Also a solicitation for Absolute Power refers to them as the Marvel Family.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't need to own it, they just need to put on a poker face and say "we're calling our lawyers".

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What would their defense be?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The one they've been using for several decades now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Marvel Comics wanted ALL control over the word Marvel in comics, period.

        Marvel Mystery Comics pre-dates Whiz Comics #2 by a couple of months, since that's the title the company was named after in 1963 (at a time when there was no Captain Marvel, and no trademark on the name), the issue is that DC only rented him hoping to sue Marvel Comics and force them into a humiliating name change

        but because Carmine Infantino was a moron, DC bought a corpse they couldn't even use, sued Marvel anyway and ended up having to settle (because whether you see it or not, a court looks down on any plaintiff who comes before it with so obviously transparent an intent to cause mischief) and now can't use the name for marketing purposes, which is generous, probably to the point of being a mistake

        in any case you should ask Carmine Infantino, who's been dead for ten years, because it was his decision to go with Shazam way back in 1972

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in any case you should ask Carmine Infantino, who's been dead for ten years, because it was his decision to go with Shazam way back in 1972
          What a colossal error.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          [...]
          DC sued Marvel right after acquiring the rights from Fawcett (who still owned the character but not the trademark, since DC forced Fawcett's comics division out of business)

          turns out when you sue someone for using a trademark they legally own and only acquired because you forced the previous owner of that trademark out of business 20 years earlier, you end up settling

          it was generous of Marvel to let them even continue using the name on interior pages, and probably a mistake - if they hadn't, then we wouldn't be having this argument now - but unlike DC, Marvel actually respected the legacy of a long-dead hero

          the great thing about legal settlements is you never have to revisit them because they don't change

          Those guys gets it.
          I suggest OP and everyone on this thread to read about what happened to Whiz Comics and what followed, a pretty dark page in the history of comic book.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On the other hand, couldn’t DC just strike a financial deal with Marvel to use the name? That would be extra money for Marvel so I don’t see the downside. “Marketplace confusion” wouldn’t even work since Marvel would be making money from both Captain Marvel characters.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Legally for now, but Marvel's no doubt waiting for that one legal exploit that allows them to own all comic-based context of the word forever.

      [...]
      >couldn’t DC just strike a financial deal with Marvel to use the name?
      They probably tried and Marvel refused every one of them because they won't settle for joint-custody.

      >They probably tried and Marvel refused every one of them because they won't settle for joint-custody.
      Sounds like they worked themselves into a shoot. Not very business like of them.

      DC sued Marvel right after acquiring the rights from Fawcett (who still owned the character but not the trademark, since DC forced Fawcett's comics division out of business)

      turns out when you sue someone for using a trademark they legally own and only acquired because you forced the previous owner of that trademark out of business 20 years earlier, you end up settling

      it was generous of Marvel to let them even continue using the name on interior pages, and probably a mistake - if they hadn't, then we wouldn't be having this argument now - but unlike DC, Marvel actually respected the legacy of a long-dead hero

      the great thing about legal settlements is you never have to revisit them because they don't change

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does Captain Champion sounds about right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’d go with Captain Thunder. Along with Captain Thunder Jr. (Freddy) and Lady Thunder (Mary). I think it’d be cool to have a book featuring all three called House of Thunder.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Captain Thunder is also trademarked by someone else.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cool, then you just buy it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, it sucks.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I disagree, but your opinion is noted.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks, I appreciate that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No prob, anon.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like how they're handling it now by just calling him Captain, we all know what he's the Captain of anyway.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is Captain Marvel
    Whiz comics is a good title for a comicbook.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But can the people take it seriously?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still don't see why they don't just call him Captain Marvellous and make most of everyone happy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Too long I guess, also Marvelous wouldn't make me happy, and my opinion is the most important one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That name's taken already

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