But dickride weebshit that does the same. FMA 2003 and Evangelion being famous examples.
One could argue stuff like TLJ and They boys are better written in their subversions.
Why do brainlets here whine when a movie/show subverts your expectations?
But dickride weebshit that does the same. FMA 2003 and Evangelion being famous examples.
One could argue stuff like TLJ and They boys are better written in their subversions.
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>No argument
Concession accepted.
There's no subversion in either FMA or EVA. Shocking and full of twists =/= subversion. Thematically everything is built up right from the beginning down to the minor details. These are shows with a coherent visions even if every single plot point wasn't planned beforehand.
This. Keking at gays who think any hollyisraelite show in current year would give you an ending like FMA 2003 let alone EP 25+26 and EoE.
>thematically everything is built up right from the beginning down to the minor details
You're thinking of Brotherhood. 2003 is the one where they had to asspull an ending that barely fit with the first half because they ran out of manga content to adapt.
>2003 is the one where they had to asspull
2003 never followed the Manga closely from the beginning. The Homunculus origin for one isn't the same and the tone wildly different.
No it didn't. It adapted the manga fairly well for the first arc or two then it started to deviate rapidly.
2003 was great, they improved on a lot of stuff like Greed's gang and Tucker. The original characters were way better than the garbage that actually turned up in the manga. 2003 Sloth and Wrath were great.
>villain of the week
>OC characters like the other brothers who fricking sucked wiener
>some of the homoculus were garbage
>ended in Nazi germany
Extremely rose tinted glasses, anon. Extremely. There were some great stuff in the original, yes, like Hughes and Scar, but you gotta look at the garbage.
>>OC characters like the other brothers who fricking sucked wiener
They're a tier above ling and his gang, I'll tell you that.
No way. You don't like Ling? He's not as good at the old Wrath but he was an interesting character.
Name 5
FMA 2003
Evangelion
AOT
Prison School
Bebop
Explain
I'm not going to spoonfeed you homosexual.
>FMA 2003
>Evangelion
>Bebop
Didn't subvert expectations and have unique endings.
>AOT
>Prison School
Subverted expectations and almost near universally hated. AOT has become such a joke that people now believe that the popular earlier seasons are shit.
How did Prison School subvert expectations? I dropped it about halfway through
>Evangelion
Didn't subvert your expectations unless you're fricking moronic.
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I thought everybody agreed FMA 2003's ending was shit though?
Enough time has passesd for people to see how shit Father was as an antagonist and how terrible the climactic fight was. So many prefer the original ending.
Interesting, pretty much everyone I talk to hates 2003. Personally I liked the animation better but thought the ending with the "real world" was shit, and several characters like Greed, Mustang, Scar, the Fuhrer etc. have much better arcs in Brotherhood.
Stop talking to the MAL crowd.
>Greed, Mustang, Scar, the Fuhrer.
Only Fuhrer had a better ending in Brotherhood imo.
I don't even know what MAL is. Eh, it's been a while but I remember Scar's ending in 2003 was kind of stupid with him diving in front of a bunch of bullets to defend a bulletproof woman, and the Fuhrer just died in a really contrived plot-convenient way in 2003 with his son running to get his homonculi kryptonite for no reason.
For that matter the entire idea behind the Homunculi only dying when in the presence of their bodies or whatever that was in place in 2003 I thought was really lame because it pretty much made every fight with a homunculi end when one of their body parts conveniently ending up there through some ridiculous manner to end it anti-climactically.
>remember Scar's ending in 2003 was kind of stupid with him diving in front of a bunch of bullets to defend a bulletproof woman
You remember it because Lust literally asks him the same thing and he responds he did it out of instinct(his brother's soul is inside him).
The homunculi/human transmutation element worked for good drama. The Brotherhood homunculi other than Fuhrer and Greed had no personality because they were just generic henchmen.
Pretty much everyone I've ever talked to hates 2003 too and it's far from perfect but I do like it more than the manga/recent anime.
2003 has more (melo)drama and keeps things relatively serious while the manga is more generically shonen with random whatever the frick shit and stuff like Sloth which just screams "yeah I ran out of ideas and want to wrap this up already".
Yeah fair, the manga final battle scene is kind of dumb and a bit generic. I felt it had some better arcs for the characters though, but shit like the Chinese ninjas and Sloth were kind of dumb.
The battles at the end were also way too dragged out and just there to be big generic shonen battles and if I wanted that crap I'd watch fricking Naruto or Inuyasha or whatever.
I recognise how I'm definitely in the minority here because I'm literally complaining about how a shonen series is shonen, but the thing is I got into 2003 without knowing it was shonen and it didn't feel like bad generic battle shonen (which the manga/brotherhood does) so I enjoyed it for that.
I liked it and the villain more than the garbage that the manga actually did and its cringe chinese ninjas.
They did but
Is partially right. The ending of Brotherhood was weird too.
Brotherhood is probably still the better.
There are legit people who prefer 2003's version over Brotherhood. They're insane though.
>Expect something good
>Get something shit
>DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S MEANT TO BE SHIT? IT SUBVERTS YOUR EXPECTATIONS
It’s about the writing. Subversion is supposed to have a point, to have some impact on story or character development. TLJ’s many and cowardly subversions are only for the sake of subversion itself. Want a masterful example of subversion? Here it is:
>Young man seeks vengeance on the man who murdered his father.
Sound familiar? That’s because it’s a trope as old as storytelling. It’s the Horus myth. Where’s the subversion?
>No! I *am* your father.
How does this affect the story and character development? Vader goes from a target of vengeance to a man in need of help. He changes from a generic(if memorable) villain to a fallen hero. Luke is absolutely shattered by the revelation, feeling betrayed and lied to by his mentor and the revelation evolves both his character and his quest. It changes from vengeance to salvation. That, friendo, is how you subvert a trope.
Simple and concise explanation. Good job.
you have my like anon
Because they either utterly fail with the followup or utterly fail to make the subversion thing live up to what was subverted. Even with TLJ they state "let the past die" but immediately revert back to classic star wars tropes immediately after it.
"Whining" about shit stuff and giving good stuff a pass? What is your problem?
2003 never subverted expectations tho. It chose a hard to swallow ending but it was always there. Also 2003 > than brotherhood seethe more brotherhood gays
subversion is not the dialectic.
>2003 FMA anime
>dick ride
the only people that I see praise the ending for that version are contrarians, and said ending wasn't even really done for subversion but mostly because the manga wasn't finished yet so they had to wing it, and who the frick claims EVA is subversive, come to think of it you sound like that same tard that tried to argue people are hypocrites by comparing Abby from TLOU2 to Gaby from SnK and saying people like Gaby more despite doing similiar shit, only to get fricking btfos when people pointed out nobody fricking liked her
Brotherhood's weak points were:
>Chinese ninjas
>the chimeras were pretty dumb
>Sloth was a bad homonculus
>final antagonist and his fight were shit, but absorbing god was cool
There, now we can stop thinking for a second 2003 was better. Though I did love it's music.