Then I must be something else entirely, because I don't just not care about liberty, I find it to be one of the most corrosive forces that a human being can act upon.
that's because horseshoe theory is real - left and right are the same - extremists who want to decide morality and what is right or wrong by their own code. they are both gullible to the same shit. When putin invaded ukraine, both extreme left and right supported him
too bad that the bystanders are the only casualty. those who screech live another to day so they can screech more. those who control them, well, they are untouchable. but it's us who have to suffer the consequences, even if we don't really care about their conflict. funny, isn't it?
well ex-cuuuuse meeee. I would like to own somethind someday and be happy, instead of having nothing and being sad
2 years ago
Anonymous
You already own nothing, the concept of ownership is just a courtesy you're allowed to have for now. If there comes a point where the illusion can't be afforded, well, sorry the magic went away.
nice bait
Nice cope.
Your language isn't hard to learn.
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe I don't, but I would like to own something, and I will. I believe in my dreams
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I would like to own something, and I will
Then you're the first in the pod.
here's the deal, they aren't now, because the only x-men team is the one written by duggan, the rest of the books deal with the mutant nation krakoa which does not represent the x-men
But that's not part of the x-men canon, it's just a short story.
it's 100% part of the canon you annoying newbie, and it's not the only one
wow, you are such a newbie. Did you learn it on wikipedia? Metal Men are completely different from x-men, and is nothing alike, and Doom Patrol is a rip-off of FF. but go on, it's been a while since I laughed at plebs
Unless you're some kind of gay nationalist who's openly bigoted against everyone else, who things orgies, dumpster babies, and a government run by terrorist madmen is all just fine, and you support controlling and oppressing the rest of the world by doing everything /misc/ accuses israelites of doing, X-Men has become something against everything anyone believes in.
I honestly don't know why anyone's still reading and unironically supporting them except for aging charactergays who got invested decades ago and are stubbornly clinging on in futile hope that things will get better and go back to normal eventually, and self-inserting morons who think they ARE mutants, so everything mutants do must be good.
>I honestly don't know why anyone's still reading and unironically supporting them except for aging charactergays who got invested decades ago and are stubbornly clinging on in futile hope that things will get better and go back to normal eventually, and self-inserting morons who think they ARE mutants, so everything mutants do must be good.
Because it's a great comic. For the exact reasons you pointed out. If you want some straight (lol) heroics, you can read avengers, or captain america trying to thwart the nazi plot for the nth time. I read x-men, because it's an interesting comic, it provokes discussions like this one, and it's ambiguous
>and it's ambiguous
Hickman probably meant it to be ambiguous, but the books are almost all in the hands of people who drank the Krakoa kool-aid and see the mutants as unambiguously good, and any problems about their society tend to get handwaved as not really problems at all. Far more of these books are just empty power fantasies for people who actually want their minorities-only ethnostate that flexes on the rest of the universe, where every threat is simultaneously such an existential threat that any ends justify the means, but is also easily dealt with because muh mutant master race is better than everyone else. Things that would have taken months, or years to resolve in older, better runs get handled in a matter of pages because it's just a power fantasy of constant winning, and a lot of readers who stuck with X-Men through the extinction stories of 2005-2019 just feel like they're owed this.
maybe knight of x, because it's written by an empty woman, but every other book feels like a genuine discussion about morality. you had sabretooth which openly questioned the imprisonment, you have spurrier, where nightcrawler worries about spiritual repercussions, you have immortal x-men which has gillen exploring the biggest buttholes/bastards of the x-men, you have duggan, who wants x-men to go back to basic superheroing, you have x-men red with new planet run by savage tribes. only if you don't read books, you can reach such conclusions
I honestly don't know how you could stand to read those books. Legion of X is empty hollow preaching about "The Spark", which is like, what even is that? Some kind of a literal nothing philosophy that says "You're justified in doing whatever you want because X-gene"? Duggan's works are still just the X-men dunking on everybody else, he just keeps their adventures focused primarily on aliens instead of humans and they still manage to just ooze seething for the flatscans in their dialogue. And X-men Red is the same, the flexing's also just aimed at the Arakii mutants who are also a bunch of filler characters that are going to be offed in less than a few years cause they have the depth of a puddle. And they still also ooze seething by complaining about other people complaining they took over Mars.
Honestly, the only things worthwhile in these books are the smaller moments between characters like Cain Marko having a heart to heart with Legion about his place with the X-men and their failed relationships with Xavier, or Fisher King and Magneto candidly talking like equals about their struggles. It's the kind of character drama that's carried X-men even through their worst years, and I suspect it's the true reason people try to say these books are good. Cause I sure don't see people jumping up and down with excitement about the morality involving the ancient Shi'ar conspiracy covering up their genocide of the billion-year old earth mutant utopia civilizations, or Kid Omega's self-fellating in internal monologues while fighting a giant Cerebros shaped elder brains.
>Honestly, the only things worthwhile in these books are the smaller moments between characters like Cain Marko having a heart to heart with Legion about his place with the X-men and their failed relationships with Xavier, or Fisher King and Magneto candidly talking like equals about their struggles. It's the kind of character drama that's carried X-men even through their worst years, and I suspect it's the true reason people try to say these books are good. Cause I sure don't see people jumping up and down with excitement about the morality involving the ancient Shi'ar conspiracy covering up their genocide of the billion-year old earth mutant utopia civilizations, or Kid Omega's self-fellating in internal monologues while fighting a giant Cerebros shaped elder brains.
you almost seem to get it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Like, if that's all these books consisted of, interactions between people who could never normally talk to each other and insights into these characters' perspectives now that they've got something to actually look forward in life to, I'd get it. Especially for X-men, where you'd never know if someone was even going to stay living from issue to issue. But that stuff is like maybe 10% or even 5% of the total content. The rest just feels so dreadful to read through that I'm shocked people can claim to like it.
>openly bigoted against everyone else, who things orgies, dumpster babies, and a government run by terrorist madmen is all just fine, and you support controlling and oppressing the rest of the world by doing everything
So just america as it exists now?
they were as early as Magneto's appearance, which is #1. As a matter of fact, homosexual superior predates X-Men, it already appeared in FF and 50s anthology horror comics
>fighting for better world
>superior
>they are hated and feared irrationally
you sure about that?
Yes that applies to liberals
aka, the right wingers?
Progs aren't liberals because they don't care about liberty
Then I must be something else entirely, because I don't just not care about liberty, I find it to be one of the most corrosive forces that a human being can act upon.
nice bait
You're describing israelites.
jews are zionists, and right-winger, so it checks itself
racist here:
DANANANANA NANA
DANANANANA NANA
DANANANANA
DUN DUN
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
x-men is very anti-semitic these days
X-Men are not against, or for any political agenda. They just try to stop people from killing each other
They generally were written in a way that anybody could identify with them
that's because horseshoe theory is real - left and right are the same - extremists who want to decide morality and what is right or wrong by their own code. they are both gullible to the same shit. When putin invaded ukraine, both extreme left and right supported him
It's almost like it's a drawn-out shouting match to keep the children busy while the adults get to work, or something.
too bad that the bystanders are the only casualty. those who screech live another to day so they can screech more. those who control them, well, they are untouchable. but it's us who have to suffer the consequences, even if we don't really care about their conflict. funny, isn't it?
Oh, you see that as a negative...
well ex-cuuuuse meeee. I would like to own somethind someday and be happy, instead of having nothing and being sad
You already own nothing, the concept of ownership is just a courtesy you're allowed to have for now. If there comes a point where the illusion can't be afforded, well, sorry the magic went away.
Nice cope.
Your language isn't hard to learn.
maybe I don't, but I would like to own something, and I will. I believe in my dreams
>I would like to own something, and I will
Then you're the first in the pod.
They werent extremists with claremont
here's the deal, they aren't now, because the only x-men team is the one written by duggan, the rest of the books deal with the mutant nation krakoa which does not represent the x-men
it's 100% part of the canon you annoying newbie, and it's not the only one
I don't think he thought of that when he made the mutants. X-men is a rip off of Metal Men and Doom Patrol
wow, you are such a newbie. Did you learn it on wikipedia? Metal Men are completely different from x-men, and is nothing alike, and Doom Patrol is a rip-off of FF. but go on, it's been a while since I laughed at plebs
>chuds
not everyone can see your mirror
grant morrison
mike carey
killeon
peter millian
and the list go on
best comics are x-men comicbooks
barry windsor-smith
Steranko
Adams
Kirby
Byrne
indeed, indeed
Unless you're some kind of gay nationalist who's openly bigoted against everyone else, who things orgies, dumpster babies, and a government run by terrorist madmen is all just fine, and you support controlling and oppressing the rest of the world by doing everything /misc/ accuses israelites of doing, X-Men has become something against everything anyone believes in.
I honestly don't know why anyone's still reading and unironically supporting them except for aging charactergays who got invested decades ago and are stubbornly clinging on in futile hope that things will get better and go back to normal eventually, and self-inserting morons who think they ARE mutants, so everything mutants do must be good.
>I honestly don't know why anyone's still reading and unironically supporting them except for aging charactergays who got invested decades ago and are stubbornly clinging on in futile hope that things will get better and go back to normal eventually, and self-inserting morons who think they ARE mutants, so everything mutants do must be good.
Because it's a great comic. For the exact reasons you pointed out. If you want some straight (lol) heroics, you can read avengers, or captain america trying to thwart the nazi plot for the nth time. I read x-men, because it's an interesting comic, it provokes discussions like this one, and it's ambiguous
>and it's ambiguous
Hickman probably meant it to be ambiguous, but the books are almost all in the hands of people who drank the Krakoa kool-aid and see the mutants as unambiguously good, and any problems about their society tend to get handwaved as not really problems at all. Far more of these books are just empty power fantasies for people who actually want their minorities-only ethnostate that flexes on the rest of the universe, where every threat is simultaneously such an existential threat that any ends justify the means, but is also easily dealt with because muh mutant master race is better than everyone else. Things that would have taken months, or years to resolve in older, better runs get handled in a matter of pages because it's just a power fantasy of constant winning, and a lot of readers who stuck with X-Men through the extinction stories of 2005-2019 just feel like they're owed this.
maybe knight of x, because it's written by an empty woman, but every other book feels like a genuine discussion about morality. you had sabretooth which openly questioned the imprisonment, you have spurrier, where nightcrawler worries about spiritual repercussions, you have immortal x-men which has gillen exploring the biggest buttholes/bastards of the x-men, you have duggan, who wants x-men to go back to basic superheroing, you have x-men red with new planet run by savage tribes. only if you don't read books, you can reach such conclusions
I honestly don't know how you could stand to read those books. Legion of X is empty hollow preaching about "The Spark", which is like, what even is that? Some kind of a literal nothing philosophy that says "You're justified in doing whatever you want because X-gene"? Duggan's works are still just the X-men dunking on everybody else, he just keeps their adventures focused primarily on aliens instead of humans and they still manage to just ooze seething for the flatscans in their dialogue. And X-men Red is the same, the flexing's also just aimed at the Arakii mutants who are also a bunch of filler characters that are going to be offed in less than a few years cause they have the depth of a puddle. And they still also ooze seething by complaining about other people complaining they took over Mars.
Honestly, the only things worthwhile in these books are the smaller moments between characters like Cain Marko having a heart to heart with Legion about his place with the X-men and their failed relationships with Xavier, or Fisher King and Magneto candidly talking like equals about their struggles. It's the kind of character drama that's carried X-men even through their worst years, and I suspect it's the true reason people try to say these books are good. Cause I sure don't see people jumping up and down with excitement about the morality involving the ancient Shi'ar conspiracy covering up their genocide of the billion-year old earth mutant utopia civilizations, or Kid Omega's self-fellating in internal monologues while fighting a giant Cerebros shaped elder brains.
>Honestly, the only things worthwhile in these books are the smaller moments between characters like Cain Marko having a heart to heart with Legion about his place with the X-men and their failed relationships with Xavier, or Fisher King and Magneto candidly talking like equals about their struggles. It's the kind of character drama that's carried X-men even through their worst years, and I suspect it's the true reason people try to say these books are good. Cause I sure don't see people jumping up and down with excitement about the morality involving the ancient Shi'ar conspiracy covering up their genocide of the billion-year old earth mutant utopia civilizations, or Kid Omega's self-fellating in internal monologues while fighting a giant Cerebros shaped elder brains.
you almost seem to get it
Like, if that's all these books consisted of, interactions between people who could never normally talk to each other and insights into these characters' perspectives now that they've got something to actually look forward in life to, I'd get it. Especially for X-men, where you'd never know if someone was even going to stay living from issue to issue. But that stuff is like maybe 10% or even 5% of the total content. The rest just feels so dreadful to read through that I'm shocked people can claim to like it.
>and a lot of readers who stuck with X-Men through the extinction stories of 2005-2019 just feel like they're owed this.
They are though
>openly bigoted against everyone else, who things orgies, dumpster babies, and a government run by terrorist madmen is all just fine, and you support controlling and oppressing the rest of the world by doing everything
So just america as it exists now?
First of all x-men wasn't about racism or anything like that and even when they retconned them to be that, the stories were about teen drama
And originally x-men weren't homosexual superior, this is yet another retcon
they were as early as Magneto's appearance, which is #1. As a matter of fact, homosexual superior predates X-Men, it already appeared in FF and 50s anthology horror comics
It's still a retcon.
it never was
They would be quirky and talented people. they weren't supposed to be different from humans
you are a newbie who doesn't read even Cinemaphile storytimes. it was even presented here, with examples
But that's not part of the x-men canon, it's just a short story.
begone, /misc/
The new ethnostate
another page of x-men story over 2 years before the debut of the x-men, drawn by ditko. look at the name of the file before you screech "not canon"
Why does Professor Xavier turn into a complete idiot every time he gets his legs back?
People can enjoy entertainment even if it isnt sucking them up politically, anon.
I know you cant, but normal people have that ability