I was the target demographic for the film and it was one of the worst things I've ever seen in a theater. Didn't help that it seemed like it was supposed to be a continuation of the original miniseries.
It just felt so juvenile, and I loved the PT, mind you. I don't know what George was thinking.
Not the guy you replied to but I felt the exact same way. Parents took me and everything, mostly because my mom loved Star Wars. I didn't really care.
But holy shit I was embarrassed to sit through that entire thing and she was just shocked at how awful it was afterwards.
i had the same experience, except with the prequels.
during aotc i went to the bathroom once obiwan started the moronic investigation bullshit and weighed the pros and cons of killing myself with a shard of bathroom mirror vs going back into the theater. got back just as he landed on the super duper secret clone army planet. asked her if i missed anything. she opened her mouth, closed it, looked at the screen, looked at me, and said "nope."
i didn't know the moronic 50s diner scene until people started posting about it here. assumed it was in the third movie, which I only saw for the first time last year.
No one thought the film was good. The series was still better than the film from the start and it got better each season. There wasn't any other Star Wars content at the time so it was the best thing around. No one knew we would even get a sequel trilogy, let alone spinoffs and several TV shows years later. Years later, it's still better than anything Disney has shat out and expanded the SW universe much better.
Agreed except for >expanded the SW universe much better.
The multi-media project from before mogs it entirely in that aspect. You should check it out if you haven't.
It's one of the better Star Wars stories IMO
Part of the reason why so many people were upset that TCW changed him so much.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He was changed? I just thought that was regular grievous
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes. Tragic, really.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damn old grievous does sound cooler
Where can I learn more?
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
Holy shit that's awesome. Why haven't I heard about this before?
Read his story from Star Wars: Visionaries, it's on ReadComicOnline.
Fair enough.
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Check out the original Clone Wars miniseries, the Clone Wars Adventures comics, the General Grievous Dark Horse comics, the Star Wars Visionaries comic and the Labrynth of Evil novel. All 10/10 stuff.
Based, thanks anons
2 years ago
Anonymous
No problem, enjoy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
TCW ended up drowning out the original because of zoomer nostalgia
2 years ago
Anonymous
Enjoy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kino.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is fricking awesome.
WAY better than TCW.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its peak, samurai jack era tartavosky. Filoni's crew never stood a chance. That micro series has been favorite piece of star wars media since I was eleven. That and the jedi academy game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Shaaked Ti
2 years ago
Anonymous
The tragedy in all of this is Lucas hadn't given the explanation for who Grievous was so Genndy made him all cool and badass. Little did he know Lucas had always planned for Grievous to be the cliche, cowardly mustache twirling villain with a comical "evil Russian" accent to everyone's disappointment.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not entirely true, Tartakovsky and his crew said that they went with what Lucas initially had described to him about Grievous being this notorious Jedi killer, but also that it seemed like Lucas couldn't exactly make up his mind on the matter until it was all said and done.
Genndy just took that initial description and amped it up in his usual way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Grievous' canon personality is honestly an improvement. The problem isn't being a cowardly mustache twirling villain. It's fricking fun when he does shit like smash a space cruiser windshield to make an escape and kill his enemies. The problem is his role in stories and Filoni's insistence on never giving him a fair win despite being the most prolific tactician and jedi killer in the galaxy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
EU Grievous does all of that though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and Filoni's insistence on never giving him a fair win
Filoni's insistence? Got any proof of that? Give me some quotes or something, where Filoni "insists" on Grievous never having wins or having an ill will towards him. Or is it another baseless conjecture? Because, you know, it was actually George who wanted him to lose to the Gungans? George never thought highly of Grievous, and he never thought of him as "the most prolific Jedi Killer." That's nonsense. He's a good fighter, but he is not exceptional or prolific. He is not a Force user. He is an impostor. And he will never be a match for a capable Jedi Knight. His main purpose was being a red herring for the Republic to chase, as he was a key figure in the CIS. And he had wins. He wiped out the Nightsisters, he beat Obi-Wan quite a few times, he orchestrated an attack on Coruscant (twice), he beat Maul and his Mandalorians, to name a few.
Grievous is exactly the same as he was in Revenge of the Sith. The same character, created by the same guy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Read his story from Star Wars: Visionaries, it's on ReadComicOnline.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Keep in mind that Gendy Grievous was so OP and the micro series as a whole was so over the top that even the old EU writers didn't consider it canon. Apparently the writers at Dark Horse hated Gendy because he wouldn't play ball and they constantly contradicted each other at every turn out of pettiness. It's one of the reasons Lucas decided TCW would be its own thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't believe that for a second.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It mainly had to do with Gendy killing off K'Kruhk, a character created by Dark Horse comics. This pissed them off so much they basically turned it into a running gag in the comics that K'Kruhk could basically survive anything. When Gendy shot back by having K'Kruhk's corpse be the only dead Jedi we see in the opening of the second volume, they responded by revealing not only did K'Kruhk survive the purge, he outlived Luke.
In one of their artbooks, they basically said that the micro-series did happen, but the show is a highly exaggerated account of what actually occurred in universe. They even imply the little boy who watches Mace on Dantooine grew up to become an animator who specialized in pro-Jedi propaganda.
The contradictions were all over the place.
>> Gendy had Obi-Wan at Anakin's knighting ceremony. One issue of the comics opened with Obi-Wan saying "Sorry I couldn't make it to your knighting ceremony."
>> Durge in the show and Durge in the comics are two totally different characters, when Gendy killed him Durge just vanished from the comics for two years before he popped up again to be killed off 'for real'.
>> Labyrinth of Evil is just the EU's 'proper' version of the battle of Coruscant and what Obi-Wan and Anakin were doing prior to ROTS.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"the Old EU writers didn't consider it canon" >"the micro-series did happen, but the show is a highly exaggerated account" >"the writers at Dark Horse HATED Gendy" >it's just one thing with K'Kruhk >"Lucas decided TCW was it's own thing" >after Genndy turned down Lucas' proposal to have be a creative lead
My man, you're not making a lot of sense.
Furthermore, Dark Horse even made comics based off Genndy Wars, so what are you doing trying to act like Genndy is some Great Satan to the EU over some minor inconsistencies that were ultimately ironed out in the end?
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's pretty much what the Dark Horse people said, take it up with them.
Hell Filoni originally wanted Plo Koon to be Ahsoka's master and the show to mainly focus on them so they wouldn't step on the toes of the others, but Lucas basically said they'd just do whatever they wanted, as he had no intentions of letting the other stuff limit him, like how he totally rewrote the backstory the EU writers gave Boba Fett in the 90's.
Lucas had an interesting view of EU books and comics and games, in that while he approved of and enjoyed them, he apparently just didn't consider any of it as legit and TCW was his way of doing clone wars. Similar to how Roddenberry pretty much said none of the Star Trek novels or comics were actually canon because they weren't the tv series or the movies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's a cool sotry and all but none of what you said has much to do with backing up your claims about Genndy.
So I'll go back to my initial stance of not believing you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait, did Genndy turn it down to develop Sym-Bionic Titan? I remember reading that show had a long development period. It'd make that show's fate even more tragic..
2 years ago
Anonymous
Seems to be the case. The only animating roles he was involved with between the two were Korgoth and How to Eat Fried Worms. Tragic, indeed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The only contradiction I know of is the one in Labyrinth of Evil, but I don't think it was intentional because it references the Mace Windu episode.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Honestly he was kind of soft changed. TCW makes the implication that he "upgraded" himself by showing progressively altered statues of himself in his home and by a voicelines in which he asserts that he "chose" his "improvements." But that doesn't necesarily go against his original story since the statues don't mean anything on their own and his dialogue could easily be a cope about how he chose to be rebuilt rather than die in a test tube. Now thanks to Filoni not being personally interested in Grievous, they seem to be adverse to actually confirming his backstory despite it having been one of the best ones in EU.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He wasn't changed. RotS is the source material. EU writers just made him a badass because they hadn't seen the movie yet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you talking out of your ass? The movie wasn't even released when those stories were made.
Damn old grievous does sound cooler
Where can I learn more?
Check out the original Clone Wars miniseries, the Clone Wars Adventures comics, the General Grievous Dark Horse comics, the Star Wars Visionaries comic and the Labrynth of Evil novel. All 10/10 stuff.
It wasn't "good," but it was entertaining. I was in middle school at the time. You'd get off the bus on a Friday, walk home with friends, frick around on your Xbox all evening, then watch new episodes of this on CN. That's just what we all did. Fast forward 14 years, and now we realize how good we had it.
I watched the movie in theaters when I was a kid and had a good time. Then I watched the show on CN, all episodes.
It's mostly good. The film obviously isn't, but the show expands on the prequels in meaningful ways and lessens the impact they had on the original trilogy.
However, lot of SW nerds were upset that the show retconned some stuff from the books and I can totally understand their frustration.
It was decent until they brought maul back. His EU stories were kino but he should've stayed dead. He started the trend of characters never really being gone
I hated the Clone Wars show when it was new the cheap looking animation and stiffness to everything put me to sleep but I tried watching it again recently and I respected it a lot more they actually do a lot with the visuals and sound and basically condense everything that is cool and unique about Star Wars as a cinematic medium with every episode the stories aren't bad either just meat and potatoes storytelling
Beyond the prequels just being shittier.
It's because Star wars is too in the popular culture for kids (or adult fans) to not be super into it; it's why there are still star wars fans even after the latest releases which were all shitshows
bc its better than everything that came before it. As long as you ignore the comics, books, and Tarkovsky show. Its really a shame how zoomers dont know shit about the old EU. Quinlan vos, dark times, and more.
How old are you?
28. How old are you?
26. Sometimes I lie about my age and say I'm younger.
I don't know, I remember nobody liked the movie.
I was the target demographic for the film and it was one of the worst things I've ever seen in a theater. Didn't help that it seemed like it was supposed to be a continuation of the original miniseries.
It just felt so juvenile, and I loved the PT, mind you. I don't know what George was thinking.
Not the guy you replied to but I felt the exact same way. Parents took me and everything, mostly because my mom loved Star Wars. I didn't really care.
But holy shit I was embarrassed to sit through that entire thing and she was just shocked at how awful it was afterwards.
i had the same experience, except with the prequels.
during aotc i went to the bathroom once obiwan started the moronic investigation bullshit and weighed the pros and cons of killing myself with a shard of bathroom mirror vs going back into the theater. got back just as he landed on the super duper secret clone army planet. asked her if i missed anything. she opened her mouth, closed it, looked at the screen, looked at me, and said "nope."
i didn't know the moronic 50s diner scene until people started posting about it here. assumed it was in the third movie, which I only saw for the first time last year.
thanks for reading my blog.
The prequels lowered their standards.
Even though I like the PT I have to agree with this.
Because it was. Theres twenty episodes I don't watch, that's amazing for any show let alone one made in the modern era.
No one thought the film was good. The series was still better than the film from the start and it got better each season. There wasn't any other Star Wars content at the time so it was the best thing around. No one knew we would even get a sequel trilogy, let alone spinoffs and several TV shows years later. Years later, it's still better than anything Disney has shat out and expanded the SW universe much better.
Agreed except for
>expanded the SW universe much better.
The multi-media project from before mogs it entirely in that aspect. You should check it out if you haven't.
>creation of the second most prolific Jedi killer in galactic history
Whomst?
Coughborg.
Oh shit, that sounds cool.
It's one of the better Star Wars stories IMO
Part of the reason why so many people were upset that TCW changed him so much.
He was changed? I just thought that was regular grievous
Yes. Tragic, really.
Damn old grievous does sound cooler
Where can I learn more?
Holy shit that's awesome. Why haven't I heard about this before?
Based, thanks anons
No problem, enjoy.
TCW ended up drowning out the original because of zoomer nostalgia
Enjoy.
Kino.
This is fricking awesome.
WAY better than TCW.
Its peak, samurai jack era tartavosky. Filoni's crew never stood a chance. That micro series has been favorite piece of star wars media since I was eleven. That and the jedi academy game.
>Shaaked Ti
The tragedy in all of this is Lucas hadn't given the explanation for who Grievous was so Genndy made him all cool and badass. Little did he know Lucas had always planned for Grievous to be the cliche, cowardly mustache twirling villain with a comical "evil Russian" accent to everyone's disappointment.
That's not entirely true, Tartakovsky and his crew said that they went with what Lucas initially had described to him about Grievous being this notorious Jedi killer, but also that it seemed like Lucas couldn't exactly make up his mind on the matter until it was all said and done.
Genndy just took that initial description and amped it up in his usual way.
Grievous' canon personality is honestly an improvement. The problem isn't being a cowardly mustache twirling villain. It's fricking fun when he does shit like smash a space cruiser windshield to make an escape and kill his enemies. The problem is his role in stories and Filoni's insistence on never giving him a fair win despite being the most prolific tactician and jedi killer in the galaxy.
EU Grievous does all of that though.
>and Filoni's insistence on never giving him a fair win
Filoni's insistence? Got any proof of that? Give me some quotes or something, where Filoni "insists" on Grievous never having wins or having an ill will towards him. Or is it another baseless conjecture? Because, you know, it was actually George who wanted him to lose to the Gungans? George never thought highly of Grievous, and he never thought of him as "the most prolific Jedi Killer." That's nonsense. He's a good fighter, but he is not exceptional or prolific. He is not a Force user. He is an impostor. And he will never be a match for a capable Jedi Knight. His main purpose was being a red herring for the Republic to chase, as he was a key figure in the CIS. And he had wins. He wiped out the Nightsisters, he beat Obi-Wan quite a few times, he orchestrated an attack on Coruscant (twice), he beat Maul and his Mandalorians, to name a few.
Grievous is exactly the same as he was in Revenge of the Sith. The same character, created by the same guy.
Read his story from Star Wars: Visionaries, it's on ReadComicOnline.
Keep in mind that Gendy Grievous was so OP and the micro series as a whole was so over the top that even the old EU writers didn't consider it canon. Apparently the writers at Dark Horse hated Gendy because he wouldn't play ball and they constantly contradicted each other at every turn out of pettiness. It's one of the reasons Lucas decided TCW would be its own thing.
I don't believe that for a second.
It mainly had to do with Gendy killing off K'Kruhk, a character created by Dark Horse comics. This pissed them off so much they basically turned it into a running gag in the comics that K'Kruhk could basically survive anything. When Gendy shot back by having K'Kruhk's corpse be the only dead Jedi we see in the opening of the second volume, they responded by revealing not only did K'Kruhk survive the purge, he outlived Luke.
In one of their artbooks, they basically said that the micro-series did happen, but the show is a highly exaggerated account of what actually occurred in universe. They even imply the little boy who watches Mace on Dantooine grew up to become an animator who specialized in pro-Jedi propaganda.
The contradictions were all over the place.
>> Gendy had Obi-Wan at Anakin's knighting ceremony. One issue of the comics opened with Obi-Wan saying "Sorry I couldn't make it to your knighting ceremony."
>> Durge in the show and Durge in the comics are two totally different characters, when Gendy killed him Durge just vanished from the comics for two years before he popped up again to be killed off 'for real'.
>> Labyrinth of Evil is just the EU's 'proper' version of the battle of Coruscant and what Obi-Wan and Anakin were doing prior to ROTS.
>"the Old EU writers didn't consider it canon"
>"the micro-series did happen, but the show is a highly exaggerated account"
>"the writers at Dark Horse HATED Gendy"
>it's just one thing with K'Kruhk
>"Lucas decided TCW was it's own thing"
>after Genndy turned down Lucas' proposal to have be a creative lead
My man, you're not making a lot of sense.
Furthermore, Dark Horse even made comics based off Genndy Wars, so what are you doing trying to act like Genndy is some Great Satan to the EU over some minor inconsistencies that were ultimately ironed out in the end?
That's pretty much what the Dark Horse people said, take it up with them.
Hell Filoni originally wanted Plo Koon to be Ahsoka's master and the show to mainly focus on them so they wouldn't step on the toes of the others, but Lucas basically said they'd just do whatever they wanted, as he had no intentions of letting the other stuff limit him, like how he totally rewrote the backstory the EU writers gave Boba Fett in the 90's.
Lucas had an interesting view of EU books and comics and games, in that while he approved of and enjoyed them, he apparently just didn't consider any of it as legit and TCW was his way of doing clone wars. Similar to how Roddenberry pretty much said none of the Star Trek novels or comics were actually canon because they weren't the tv series or the movies.
That's a cool sotry and all but none of what you said has much to do with backing up your claims about Genndy.
So I'll go back to my initial stance of not believing you.
Wait, did Genndy turn it down to develop Sym-Bionic Titan? I remember reading that show had a long development period. It'd make that show's fate even more tragic..
Seems to be the case. The only animating roles he was involved with between the two were Korgoth and How to Eat Fried Worms. Tragic, indeed.
The only contradiction I know of is the one in Labyrinth of Evil, but I don't think it was intentional because it references the Mace Windu episode.
Honestly he was kind of soft changed. TCW makes the implication that he "upgraded" himself by showing progressively altered statues of himself in his home and by a voicelines in which he asserts that he "chose" his "improvements." But that doesn't necesarily go against his original story since the statues don't mean anything on their own and his dialogue could easily be a cope about how he chose to be rebuilt rather than die in a test tube. Now thanks to Filoni not being personally interested in Grievous, they seem to be adverse to actually confirming his backstory despite it having been one of the best ones in EU.
He wasn't changed. RotS is the source material. EU writers just made him a badass because they hadn't seen the movie yet.
Why are you talking out of your ass? The movie wasn't even released when those stories were made.
ESL moment.
moron moment
I agree. But I meant in comparison to DIsneywars.
Fair enough.
Check out the original Clone Wars miniseries, the Clone Wars Adventures comics, the General Grievous Dark Horse comics, the Star Wars Visionaries comic and the Labrynth of Evil novel. All 10/10 stuff.
Literal bugmen
Zoomers eat up cgishit
It wasn't "good," but it was entertaining. I was in middle school at the time. You'd get off the bus on a Friday, walk home with friends, frick around on your Xbox all evening, then watch new episodes of this on CN. That's just what we all did. Fast forward 14 years, and now we realize how good we had it.
I watched the movie in theaters when I was a kid and had a good time. Then I watched the show on CN, all episodes.
It's mostly good. The film obviously isn't, but the show expands on the prequels in meaningful ways and lessens the impact they had on the original trilogy.
However, lot of SW nerds were upset that the show retconned some stuff from the books and I can totally understand their frustration.
Because they watched it when they were 10
It's pretty good, but nowhere near as good as the prequels like zoomers claim.
It was decent until they brought maul back. His EU stories were kino but he should've stayed dead. He started the trend of characters never really being gone
Because it was
It's not good. Better then the orginal series though
I hated the Clone Wars show when it was new the cheap looking animation and stiffness to everything put me to sleep but I tried watching it again recently and I respected it a lot more they actually do a lot with the visuals and sound and basically condense everything that is cool and unique about Star Wars as a cinematic medium with every episode the stories aren't bad either just meat and potatoes storytelling
Thread's over, the FiloBlack person's here.
Beyond the prequels just being shittier.
It's because Star wars is too in the popular culture for kids (or adult fans) to not be super into it; it's why there are still star wars fans even after the latest releases which were all shitshows
bc its better than everything that came before it. As long as you ignore the comics, books, and Tarkovsky show. Its really a shame how zoomers dont know shit about the old EU. Quinlan vos, dark times, and more.
Should have been a tv movie.