Why do Star Wars fans love Starkiller but not Rey even though he is everything they hate about her? Is it because he's not a girl?
Why do Star Wars fans love Starkiller but not Rey even though he is everything they hate about her?
Why do Star Wars fans love Starkiller but not Rey even though he is everything they hate about her? Is it because he's not a girl?
How does star wars still have fans
buncha shit eaters thats how
How did it ever? It’s complete dogshit and always has been, even those old movies people jerk off suck absolute ass. I tried watching them once and they’re so fucking boring and bland. Just watch a real western or a real sci-fi show.
we fucking grew up with it and still have nostalgia for the good olde stuff
the new shit is simply ignored and nobody buys it
You don't want to know. Trust me. I'm living proof.
he was cool
rey wasn't
Its a video game character vs cinema! OP is being very disingenuous.
How? He's just a male mary sue and nothing else.
He's a video game character, you disingenuous Muppet!
he is not fucking cool lol
sam witwers ok but the characters cringe
TPBP
Same reason people like Giga powerful anime characters, it's power fantasy
most people thought starkiller was lame though. you could ignore his actual character in the game though, and just self-insert.
Because he's a video game character and he's fun to play as. If Rey was a video game protagonist with fun gameplay mechanics, Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile would love her.
Not true. Horizon is amazing yet they still hate Aloy.
Rey is still quite a bit prettier than Aloy. Aloy is offensively unattractive. Also, Horizon is Monster Hunter, but shitty.
Starkiller was the son of two powerful Jedi Knights and was brought under Darth Vaders tutelage as his apprentice and he had to suffer through a gruesome and rigorous training for years starting at a young age before getting mind raped, etc.
Quite a bit different than Rey's mary sue backstory.
Not even that, Anakin is literally a child of the Force! And It took him years, 23 years of age, to surpass Dooku! Rey went from not believing in the force to becoming the most powerful force user of all time!
>cinema
On celluloid Rey was an incredibly Broken maRey sue, until Michael Durham of course, but incredibly broken maRey sue none the less!.She'd solo Juha Bach
His arc was simple but I liked it.
because he wasn't pushing aside every other character, the ones people liked, to display how awesome he was.
Pretty sure he kills vader and the emperor.
>Pretty sure he kills the emperor.
Well you are wrong, because he can't kill emperor in any ending
>Pretty sure
You didn't play the games, dipshit.
Starkiller was trained by Vader for decades and exhibited bursts of unbelievable power, but ultimately died vs Vader and the Emperor
Rey grew up as a scavenger and 3 days later she disintegrated Sidious and restarted the Jedi Order, and we're expected to treat her on the same level as Vader and Luke
Yep. This reason. Thanks.
And as always, fuck you to hell with a rusty crowbar, Ms. Kennedy.
Male mary sues work for male audiences because they can self insert into the character. Not that hard to figure out.
That's a lie! Luke and Anakin were the heroes. Neither were maRey sues! Go be a Disney cuck somewhere else!
>ultra powerful
>trained by the best
>still fails his mission (twice)
>morally confused about his motives and allegiance
>dies when he stands up for his own choices
>so angry his clone with the same memories breaks out to get revenge
>fails and died again
He actually has an interesting story and isn't perfect without zero training who succeeds at everything unlike Rey.
While Starkiller was questioning his blind orders and feeling empathy for those that he was sought out to kill, Rey just wanted to know her parents were and had no real motives otherwise.
RLM loves Rey and explained why she's not a mary sue. Do you people not watch RLM?
Star Killer is ridicolous, that's what makes him abd his games entertaining.
The nu trilogy with rey ala star killer would be like this:
>Rey is the failed apprentice of luke, looks like a pornstar.
>edgy attitude and tries to kill snoke the moment she sees him.
>backflips and and ninjakicks her way through hordes of storm troopers, cuts Mandalorians in half and crashes a star destroyer on kylo ren to finish him off.
>her D cups bounce in snyc to her over the top action moves, disney had to invent a new special bra and post effects to make the bouncing artistic and believable enough.
>trilogy ends after rey kills the first order to a man.
>Finn is an edgy sidekick that kills phasma one on one in the last movie by punching her helmet to scraps.
>oscar isaac defeats snokes ship by doing a keyes loop and baits the entire first order fleet in a minefield next to a plantes orbit. He escapes with his ships by slingshotting everyone out of orbit.
>Admiral Holdo is a buff, one eyed dommy mommy with sick abs and even bigger tits than rey. She kicks a stormtrooper in the crotch who then exclaims:"wowie zowie, not my death stars!"
>rose tico is a random korean plastic drama model that has a love-hate relationship with finn.
>lukes personality is now that of some old, pissed of samurai and he is technically stronger than snoke, so snoke uses tricks to kill luke.
>han and leia die because snoke nukes them because evil.
>movie is hated by sw fans, critics and pseuds alike. Zoomers love em because endless dumb fun.
>>Rey is the failed apprentice of luke, looks like a pornstar.
>>edgy attitude and tries to kill snoke the moment she sees him.
and and ninjakicks her way through hordes of storm troopers, cuts Mandalorians in half and crashes a star destroyer on kylo ren to finish him off.
>>her D cups bounce in snyc to her over the top action moves, disney had to invent a new special bra and post effects to make the bouncing artistic and believable enough.
ends after rey kills the first order to a man.
>>Finn is an edgy sidekick that kills phasma one on one in the last movie by punching her helmet to scraps.
isaac defeats snokes ship by doing a keyes loop and baits the entire first order fleet in a minefield next to a plantes orbit. He escapes with his ships by slingshotting everyone out of orbit.
Holdo is a buff, one eyed dommy mommy with sick abs and even bigger tits than rey. She kicks a stormtrooper in the crotch who then exclaims:"wowie zowie, not my death stars!"
>>rose tico is a random korean plastic drama model that has a love-hate relationship with finn.
personality is now that of some old, pissed of samurai and he is technically stronger than snoke, so snoke uses tricks to kill luke.
>>han and leia die because snoke nukes them because evil.
Sounds like M E G A K I N O to me!
Holy mother of kino
And in three movies and four TV shows Disney couldn't do anything relevant for the franchise, and even Starkiller in The Force Unleashed seemed to be a breath of hope for a possible new Star Wars franchise, but then they came up with Rey and the force is female.
Do they? I fucking hated this game and the only people I knew who didn’t hate it were window-licking idiots.
Still one of my favourite endings
May as well just say this is the true ending to the game. Clone Starkiller was a fucking retard and his character was nothing like the original in 1 anyway, so of course he'd go for the kill.
That's the true ending
it's a fucking disgrace they never made a third one and that the second was so short
shitty writing is far more forgiveable in games i think. The mc in a video game needs to be a mary sue or the player dies every ten seconds.
he isn't the same at all.
he trained for the power he had, rey didn't. does nobody remember the game? he was taken as a child by vader, who recognized that he had decent potential, and trained to be a sith.
rey is just instantly good at everything.
don't even bother explaining to a woman the male heroes journey
they cannot grasp it because their lives are the EXACT opposite
women START with maximum value in life and go
DOWNHILL FAST from there
REY THA BESTES EVAR makes complete sense to the cunts
A lot of women look awkward as adolescents and don't hit their prime till adulthood.
He also dies at the end of TFU1, fulfilling his arc
TFU2 is a clone that has plenty of his own issues
Because Starkiller actually has setbacks and trained for at least a decade. He also has a personality, can act and emote... TFU is silly and over-the-top as hell, but it's not boring and insulting like the sequels.
This.
People still commented that Starkiller was OP despite the fact that he trained for over a decade and actually lost fights. Rey is a garbage character who never trained and never lost
She does train. The problem is that she never truly "falls" like Luke does in empire and thus the movies fail to connect to the collective unconscious like the originals did.
No she doesn’t.
She defeats a literal Skywalker (Kylo Ren) with 20 YEARS OF TRAINING under the 2 most powerful force users of all time. And she wins.
Nobody in the fandom will ever accept Rey Palpatine. She is the living physical embodiment of the corporate destruction of a story that for a while used to be the most popular/ influential in the entire culture. She continues to STEAL Luke Skywalker’s stories and accomplishments instead of standing on her own. She’s an absolute nightmare
I mean I agree with you but she does actually train (at least in the second and third.)
The fuck she does. Aside from the brief training montage in RoS, her "training" consists of one-and-a-half lessons with Luke, and yet she stomped a trained Sith apprentice right after using a Lightsaber for the first time
>b-but Kylo was wounded!
Still doesn't excuse a novice completely dominating him, and continuing to do so in every fight they had after that.
>because he's not a girl
>Starkiller
I don't even know who that is.
>Rey
I barely know who that is.
While the prequels are utter dogshit, at least the characters are memorable sometimes.
I think he gets more of a pass because people like sam witwer
but the character is shit and retconning it so he created the rebellion was a fucking travesty
His best role.
What's the retcon? All those guys were already funding/assisting the Rebellion, Bail just wanted to unite their factions and openly declare civil war.
Not that guy but basically Sidious already knew what they were up to, which makes sense because he's the fucking Emperor, so he ordered Vader to order his secret apprentice to infiltrate them to take them all out at once both as a display of power against any organized resistance and to remind Vader that he's in charge and will replace him at the drop of a hat if he feels like it. It wasn't that crazy of a story arc when you view it as an Emperor-Vader centric arc.
How it fits into the EU is retarded but if you view the series as just this stand alone thing that is in a seperate universe from the EU then I think it's enjoyable.
It actually surprises me it took so long to establish a cohesive rebellion origin story
Why do they need an actual origin story? I always assumed they grew organically across several systems as various Senators and others grew disaffected with Imperial control and started to work behind the scenes to resist and bit by bit they came together
Because he's not canon
evil jedi kratos vs mary sue
Imagine watching a Star Wars movie
Since when do people like Starkiller? A nothing character with a stupid name shoved on events and characters of significance so the player can feel good.
Since when they don't? When TFU came out everyone thought he was badass and now people cry about him being OP and le "Gary Stu" even though he's a video game character.
I fucking played TFU on release and reception to that game and his character was lukewarm at best.
One is in a fucking video game. A FUCKING VIDEO GAME. The other was awkwardly inserted in THE SKYWALKER SAGA and every major character thereafter was degraded, humiliated, stripped of their accomplishments, and killed off to somehow make her the center of the universe.
How fucking insipidly stupid do you have to be to not see the difference between the two?? Do you ride the short bus?
OP is a Disney shill!
You aren't wrong but the amount of people that want Starkiller to be canonized is kind of concerning.
I hope everyone ITT realizes that TFU was basically God of War but with a star wars skin. LucasArts used to make games like that back in the day.
Yeah except god of war if it was mediocre
He was trained by Vader since he was 5 years old
Weird how Vader never mentioned or utilized his secret apprentice in the OT.
Vader had like 6 apprentices, hell Ashoka is basically the 7 one
Because he's a man and obviously a fan fiction character. Duh.
Because we got to play as Starkiller AND he had little personality instead of an awful personality
I don't love Starkiller. He;s fucking retarded
THE KEY IS THAT HE"S A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER WHO ISN'T CANON YOU FUCKING RETARD.
HE'S A SELF-INSERT
>he is everything they hate
He is abused, kidnapped victim who failed at everything in the end and you should take your meds.
because he isn't a pussy like every other star wars hero
When that game came out everyone bitched about him being too powerful which was only mildly lessened because it was fun playing such a powerful character.
Star killer beat up a force ghost that shit was hilarious I will always love him for that
I mean if force ghosts can sit on logs why can't they get beaten up?
We all hated Starkiller when it came out. Especially his backwards lightsabre. The only reason TFU is remembered somewhat fondly is because it was a technological marvel. Even nowadays games don't have Euphoria or DMM. Picking a stormtrooper up and him trying to hold onto his mates or the environment was amazing.
>Is it because he's not a girl?
Yes. Chuds gonna chud. Reminder these same people were fine with a (male) baby using force powers and doing force healing.
God, you’re so dumb. Grogu is 50 years old, and he has years of training, and EVERYBODY on Earth fucking hates force healing.
>Chuds
Go fuck off with your 2019 word. Rey is a terribly written character. Full stop. Disliking the myriad flaws of the corporate trilogy is not a left/ right issue. It doesn’t neatly slide into your slow witted conception that everything is a binary. I’m a liberal and I detest the Sequel Trilogy, Rey Palpatine and everything that corporate fabrication has done to Star Wars.
The fact that you assign every critique of Corporate Rey Palpatine to sexism says everything about you and your genetic limitations, and nothing about the millions of people who find her utterly lacking as a character.
>Full stop
>I’m a liberal
Yeah we figured
Half of this extended universe shit is just anime homosexual fan fiction. Look at this guy
would the sequel trilogy be tolerated if Rey was replaced by Ahsoka who decides to end the Skywalker family line before they again irrevocably fuck up the balance of the force
TFU was like episode 3 on steroids. Angry incel chases after a imperial pilot chick and in his incel rage he kills powerful Jedi and sith, but ultimately betrays his Master Lord Incel.
Starkiller underwent a brutal training regime since he was a child, younger in fact than Anakin Skywalker himself, and was then pitted against fully-trained Jedi in a "do or die" series of tests. He made constant blunders and mistakes, was emotionally and socially stunted, and had to rediscover his humanity.
I thought star killer was ridiculous the second he pulled that star destroyer from orbit
"Size matters not." That's one. Secondly, he didn't, he simply used the Force to somewhat control its crash landing.
"Training" is pointless. The force is a spiritual concept. It's not like working out where you get stronger the more you go to the gym. TFU was a fun game but it shit all over canon.
>"Training" is pointless.
Is that why Yoda tells Luke his training isn't complete in ESB?
why did you quote me? idgaf about training or whatever excuses people use for the mary sue thing. a hyper-competent woman loved by all fucking sucks, it's a sexual power fantasy that goes against what women are, so people dislike it.
>it shit all over canon
George talked with the creators doe.
rule of cool. also yeah it's not hard to suspend your disbelief about a hyper-competent, talented man. slap those qualities onto a woman though, and no one can suspend their disbelief. women simply cannot be larger than life, no one believes, no one likes it, automatic reaction of disbelief and disregard.
I don't think anyone likes Starkiller, they just like the first game because it was cool.
>he is everything they hate about her
To begin with, Starkiller is cool. More importantly, he almost gets killed by Vader. Then he gets deceived into bringing all of the rebel leaders together for Vader to betray him and leave him for dead again. He also dies in his fight against the Emperor or kills Vader but ends up in a half machine state in the process. Sure, he is overpowered but he is a video game character in an action game.
Starkiller is not canon, nor will he ever be canon. He is just jedi kratos. Fanboys need to accept this and move on.
Because one is from a video game that exists solely as a power fantasy and succeeds in that regard. It’s fun to be Starkiller, but it would be boring as hell to watch a movie about him
A cool what-if character that you can larp as. Same as kids that play GTA to larp as chaotic criminals. Would be ridiculous in the movies, he could use the force to take down star destroyers. Yoda struggled to move those senate platforms.
>5555
Quads. Nice. Apparently that crashed Star Destroyer on Jakku in TFA was Luke’s work. But I think in both Starkiller and Luke’s case, the ship itself was already crashing and they helped to slow it down to save lives as opposed to pulling it out of the sky
Because he didn't have literally everything handed to him and hijack the legacy of established characters in the process.
>Rey learned how to use the force 5 minutes after learning it was a thing, and is never shown to struggle with it at all (aside from the "I can't access the Avatar State-I mean commune with past Jedi" shit that resolved itself on its own)
>Practically everyone she meets is immediately well-disposed to her, despite having the charm of a rotten banana or decide they like her shortly after meeting her (see: Poe's ex)
>stole the Skywalker name after all the real Skywalkers died
>>Rey learned how to use the force 5 minutes after learning it was a thing, and is never shown to struggle with it at all (aside from the "I can't access the Avatar State-I mean commune with past Jedi" shit that resolved itself on its own)
lmao glad I'm not the only one that got major Korra vibes from Rey. Korra is hotter though.
This is one of those thread that are so stupid I actually had to stop scrolling for a second, well done bait sir
In what way are they the same?
Luv starkiller
Luv Kyle Katarn
'Ate Rey
Simple as
He had an actual story arc, Rey didn't.
Growth through suffering and training since preadolescence yet rises above the conditioning to become something more vs whimsically moving from scene to scene where things magically fall into place with no challenges over come because she was perfect by destiny.
Totally the same lol
It's this level of dishonesty that is entrenched in all of Disney's culture and why they deserve still being billions under after a decade of owning Star Wars.
he failed
rey didn't
he didn't take anyone's place, didn't erase anyone else accomplishments
he had his own story arc, love interest, friends etc.
he just crossed paths with darth vader and the emperor he didn't steal luke's legacy like rey did
>he didn't take anyone's place, didn't erase anyone else accomplishments
he had his own story arc, love interest, friends etc.
>he just crossed paths with darth vader and the emperor he didn't steal luke's legacy like rey did
Fucking this. Rey STOLE Luke’s spot and Luke’s legacy. She STOLE Anakin and Leila’s legacies too. Her existence is one big Fuck You to the Star Wars fan base, and her movie is going to flop worse than Dial of Destiny
Starkiller didn't just wake up to being extremely skilled with the force. He was brutally trained since childhood before being thrown at hiding Jedi masters.
The different mediums means a lot too. Through Starkiller you get to use all kinds of Force powers in fun way. If Starkiller wasn't OP the game wouldn't be that fun. Meanwhile all you can do is watch Rey somehow be simultaniously be OP and fucking boring. I can't remember a single creative thing she did with the Force. Kylo is the only one that ever did cool Force tricks and surprise he's the most popular ST character.
>homosexual thinks that because Star killer is powerful he is a Gary Sue
Movie VS Game
Playing as a super powerful force character is fun. Do people love the character of starkiller? I think they just like playing as him. He is a completely mediocre character.
Because he's from a video game and thus ultimately doesn't matter. Rey's shit fucked with the original trilogy.
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