Why do we give Peter Parker's women shit for being whores but never Pete himself?

Why do we give Peter Parker's women shit for being prostitutes but never Pete himself?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Men are hypersexual by nature. Read a book.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pete is perfect

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hi Pete

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A perfect idiot.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want nerd Liz Allen from the Raimi movies to be in a new thing.
    Like actual classic nerd, not whatever they did in the most recent cartoon.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's a hero that constantly saves lives. He should get lots of pussy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He's a hero
      So was Luke Skywalker, and the only woman he ever kissed was his own sister. Other than that, he remained celibate to his dying breath, like a true Jedi.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even remember Cissy Ironwood, who the flip is that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She was in MTU

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      An extremely niche character that appeared briefly in the comics as a possible love interest but who didn’t go anywhere. There was a long period in spider-man comics after gwen died but before he married MJ where Peter just lived and occasionally had a couple of relationships. This is from that era. I’m pretty sure it’s before Black cat existed to.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Close, all her appearances were in 1979; her first and second appearances were before Black Cat existed, but her last two appearances were after Black Cat's first appearance

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1/2

        It feels pretty disingenuous to call Peter a man prostitute. This was back during a very long period of Spider-Man just after Gwen Stacy’s death, but before Peter married MJ (and then Venom appeared right after) well over ten years. This is, imo, the era that most inspired the Raimi films, and also the era that a lot of old boomer Spider-Man writers and executives are produced with. It’s when Peter is in college, but still an adulthood and single. The single is the most important part, but it’s also the most overrated. Peter wasn’t a man prostitute or a harem protagonist - these were just girls he met briefly for a couple of issues, some interest was expressed, but then drama happened, one of them moved on, or nothing happened. It’s fairly realistic - but there’s a reason why half of these characters never became Peter’s love interest. Also, I think many of the more obscure ones (Gloria, Cissy, Marcy) didn’t even appear in the main title, but in spin-offs like the Spectacular Spider-Man, which was basically that slice of life weekly spider-man drama on steroids. Anyway, let’s look at all these relationships:

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2/2

          >Gwen
          Died
          >Mary Jane
          Bonded really well with Peter after Gwen’s death, revealed she knew he was spider-man, revealed her tragic backstory, Peter proposed to her a few times, then she disappeared for like half this era before getting married to him because homosexual writers were chimping out about Peter getting married instead of having worthless nothing relationships.
          >Liz Allen
          Actually never dated Peter in canon, married Harry very quickly and had a son with him
          >Betty Brant
          Dated Peter very early in the Ditko era but broke up with him because his Spider-Man stuff killed half her family. When she came back, it was muh love triangle drama stuff with Peter, Betty, and Ned Leeds before Ned died. Betty is underrated as Peter’s first gf and love but nothing ever happened beyond that
          >Cissy Ironwood
          Literally who that was in like five issues
          >Marcy Kaine
          Same thing, except she’s actually an alien dating Jack Hart, so I think this more like an extremely niche supprting character of a niche hero crossing over briefly with Spider-Man
          >Gloria Grant
          Honestly I have no idea why something more didn’t happen. Had a strong introduction to Peter, they lived at the same apartment, Gloria joined the Daily Bugle - then nothing happened, ever. Gloria is hard carried by the fact she’s black and it’s the only reason she keeps showing up.
          >Debra Whitman
          Went on a few dates with Peter, dumped him cause he made excuses cause he was spider-man, got married to an abusive man, started schizo hallucinating that Peter was Spider-Man until Peter wore his spidey suit to shock therapy into her realizing she was moronic, got scammed into releasing a shitty expose book on Peter/Spider-Man before setting the record straight. Hard carried by her design, and imo is probably what inspired like 90% of modern day Gwen Stacy being muh science nerd.
          L

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is the era that old gay writers are obsessed with, but the truth is that for like 99% of spidey fans, they have genuinely no knowledge of it whatsoever, because a lot of the comics in this time period were fairly forgettable, full of absolutely nothing characters, irrelevant plots, dumb pointless drama, and retreads of old drama that went nowhere. The Hobgoblin Saga was the height of this. There are some very good kino issues in this era, but they are not the norm. Black Cat also appeared later in the era, but even she was held back by the fact that her relationship with Peter was destined to go nowhere and end disastrously. You think Peter not being able to grow up ever now was bad? Imagine 15 years straight of Peter not even being able to have a consistent girlfriend in the first place. MJ, Gwen, and Black Cat are the only Spider-Man love interests to escape this era. Liz Allen and Betty Brant are hard carried by the fact they’re part of his earliest supprting cast (even though they hardly had anything with Peter) and all the other girls are literally who’s and completely irrelevant in the long run.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This honestly makes so much sense, especially if this was the era that most inspired the Tobey Maguire movies: Peter briefly being in high school, and spending the rest of it in college as an adult (but university isn’t the main focus.) I also remember him saying how he didn’t grow up reading with comics about Venom. But that means that he also likely didn’t read the era of comics where Peter and Mary Jane were actually married, because that happened right before Venom was introduced. So Sam Raimi’s framework of Spider-Man is Peter as a perpetual 20 something year old college student living on his own being Spider-Man and dating normie girls who are full of drama. Raimi MJ isnt comics Mary Jane, she’s an amalagation of like ten different spidey love interests who had bullshit and drama all combined into one person. Ursula really makes sense as the equivalent of some minor one off “love interest” like Cissy who appeared briefly but never amounted to anything. Imo a lot of Spider-Man has been deeply influenced and shaped by Venom, Mary Jane as his wife, and the clone saga, and the Raimi movies are really interesting because they’re the last piece of media that was inspired by comics before that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Raimi MJ isnt comics Mary Jane, she’s an amalagation of like ten different spidey love interests who had bullshit and drama all combined into one person.
                And that's why she was so awful.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Specifically, she is Betty Brant, Liz Allan, and Gwen Stacy.

                Like Liz Allan, she was dating Flash Thompson and tried to protect Peter from him. She dumped Flash, and later got together with Harry, who she had a lot of relationship drama with because of his Osborn/Goblin Peter autism. She also didn’t date Peter in high school.

                Like Betty, she was Peter’s first love interest and girlfriend - but it lasted very briefly, because spider man shit. When she got engaged and married to Ned, there was lots of love triangle bullshit with Peter: Ned is kind of both Raimi Harry and Raimi Eddie, a rival love interest to Peter’s first love, who then dies tragically from the Hobgoblin shit. Betty and Peter I think almost had an affair, and Betty and Flash DID have an affair.

                Gwen had so much fricking drama, over such a long period of time, that if the Silver Age had the modern day spidey audience Gwen would be unbelievably hated and fans would be begging Peter to get with MJ. At least Peter actually dated Gwen, unlike Betty and Liz and half the other love interests. Peter barely dated Gwen yet she still has more screen time - and drama - then 90% of spidey love interests combined. She cried a lot, got mad at Peter a lot, left him a lot, blamed him a lot, and didn’t know he was Spider-Man.

                Raimi movies make a lot more sense when you realize Mary Jane is an adaptation of literally every single spidey comics love interest EXCEPT Mary Jane!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm gonna be honest, I like OG Gwen. She was spicy, loud and opinionated, a total b***h really. But that made her fun. I think her relationship with Peter could have blossomed into something very entertaining from a storytelling standpoint, assuming she matured as she aged, much like Peter himself did.
                When I think of a superhero's love interest, it's usually either his morality chain and emotional support, or a constant source of drama. It'd be nice to have a girlfriend/wife that takes shit from no one. Granted, MJ also did that at times, but nowhere near as aggressive as what I'm thinking.
                Then again I'm biased.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I love Ditko MJ. I really hate Gwen afterwards. She had the drama, but without any of the fun personality. Ditko Gwen was loud, combative, hostile, and a fun contrast to Peter. Romita Gwen was whiney, lacked any of Ditko Gwen’s charisma, and was a total wet blanket. Her relationship was unstable, and not in a fun way. I really wish we got an adaptation of Gwen that kept her Ditko characterization, instead of immediately making her either le nerdy science girl, or the ultimate perfect waifu. Romita Gwen wasn’t either, but she also wasn’t Ditko Gwen, so the worst of all possible worlds. Which really sucks, cause you could have gotten a lot of mileage from her original characterization!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can definitely see Ditko Gwen growing up to be kind of a battleaxe. Not quite the girlboss businesswoman Gwen we have in the new USM, but a fierce spouse that isn't afraid to show her teeth, counteracting Peter's smoothed-out edges.
                Since I was born in the nineties, I basically worked my way backwards through Gwen's various characterizations and ended up liking her way more than I thought I would. Peter/MJ is THE canon for me, but I like Gwen as the AU choice.
                rip Felicia lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Magister

                >Peter barely dated Gwen
                That was really my problem with their relationship
                There was a lot more telling than showing when it came to how in love they were supposed to be

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I would say they're not inherently bad, but Marvel (and others like Wizard, back in the day) really romanticized the Bronze Age Spider-Man. 70s Spider-Man had a lot of great moments, but after Death of Gwen and arguably Harry being the Goblin (for the first time), 70s Spider-Man just seemed like it was running in place. 80s Spider-Man actually felt like they had a direction to go in, even if it wasn't originally intentional.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The unfortunate truth is that every of era Spider-Man has been plagued with bad shit, thanks to ever-changing writers, trends and intra-company politics.
                It's just that pre-Clone Saga Spider-Man has the best ratio of good-to-bad stories compared to everything that came after it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I feel like previous eras had a lot more Spidey books. So you had a better chance of one being good. I don't know if it's true but it also feels like there's a lot less spin off than there used to be, like post-OMD, I guess the logic is do ASM three times a month instead of 3 different books?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I guess come to think of it some of those spin off books are now for like Miles and Gwen and Silk and Spider-family which I personally think is a neutral development but that's an outlier on Cinemaphile

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                I see a lot of similarities between Bronze Age Spifer-Man and the Brand New Day/Slott Era, but the latter was a lot worse because of how much of a regression and infantizaltion it was. There’s been lots of “love interests” like Carlie Cooper who were completely irrelevant, all the while ship teasing Peter with MJ and Black Cat, but not doing anything with them, AND keeping the same baggage that ruins the fun of young single peter. While Bronze Era Spider-Man was just kind of doing nothing for awhile, it’s still better then straight up regressing and self destructing the way the Slott Era did.

                The similarities between Bronze Age and BND/Slott are likely intentional since BND was intended to be a return to the Bronze Age Spider-Man Marvel and Wizard loved. But yes, BND/Slott is vastly worse because they flanderize the character to what they think "classic" Spider-Man is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The era of Spider-Man that Wizard's writers were obsessed with was the early 1980s, specifically when Stern was writing, to the point that they'd routinely list random and fairly unimportant stories from that era in their lists of "best Spider-Man stories ever" while largely ignoring other eras and runs after the Silver Age (for example, Kraven's Last Hunt would usually be the only DeMatteis story to get mentioned). It's obvious that it's the specific time period that most of them started reading Marvel, their lists of the best ever X-Men or Avengers stories were all also dominated by the same time period.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why that era, and what specific stories would they list?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They had such a boner for that era because it's what they started on. I don't have any old Wizards anymore, but I can remember they didn't just include things that deserved to be there like The Kid Who Collected Spider-Man or the Juggernaut story, they had some random Mr Hyde story from the same era on their list of the all-time best. But it was the same kind of thing whenever they'd make lists like that, random stuff from when they started reading would make the cut. With Spider-Man this was accompanied by endless complaining that the books weren't the same anymore as they used to be when Stern was writing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah they put the Mr Hyde 2-parter on their list in Wizard #100, their reasoning is they said it's got "the perfect Spider-personality".

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Liz Allen and Betty Brant are hard carried by the fact they’re part of his earliest supprting cast (even though they hardly had anything with Peter)

              It's think it's not just that they were part of the early cast. Betty was also used in the 1967 show and the 1980s cartoon, which got rerun for years even after the show production ended. Liz is partly carried by the fact that she married Harry, so they have to use her whenever they bring up Harry for Goblin drama in the 80s/90s.

              Also people mainly know Debra and Glory from the 90s cartoon because they had larger roles there, but Glory is also carried by being the secretary replacement for Betty; if you have to do Daily Bugle stuff at the time, that meant Glory would have to show up

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oops, meant for

                2/2

                >Gwen
                Died
                >Mary Jane
                Bonded really well with Peter after Gwen’s death, revealed she knew he was spider-man, revealed her tragic backstory, Peter proposed to her a few times, then she disappeared for like half this era before getting married to him because homosexual writers were chimping out about Peter getting married instead of having worthless nothing relationships.
                >Liz Allen
                Actually never dated Peter in canon, married Harry very quickly and had a son with him
                >Betty Brant
                Dated Peter very early in the Ditko era but broke up with him because his Spider-Man stuff killed half her family. When she came back, it was muh love triangle drama stuff with Peter, Betty, and Ned Leeds before Ned died. Betty is underrated as Peter’s first gf and love but nothing ever happened beyond that
                >Cissy Ironwood
                Literally who that was in like five issues
                >Marcy Kaine
                Same thing, except she’s actually an alien dating Jack Hart, so I think this more like an extremely niche supprting character of a niche hero crossing over briefly with Spider-Man
                >Gloria Grant
                Honestly I have no idea why something more didn’t happen. Had a strong introduction to Peter, they lived at the same apartment, Gloria joined the Daily Bugle - then nothing happened, ever. Gloria is hard carried by the fact she’s black and it’s the only reason she keeps showing up.
                >Debra Whitman
                Went on a few dates with Peter, dumped him cause he made excuses cause he was spider-man, got married to an abusive man, started schizo hallucinating that Peter was Spider-Man until Peter wore his spidey suit to shock therapy into her realizing she was moronic, got scammed into releasing a shitty expose book on Peter/Spider-Man before setting the record straight. Hard carried by her design, and imo is probably what inspired like 90% of modern day Gwen Stacy being muh science nerd.
                L

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cissy ironwood was the love interest Claremont invented for his team up run, so pete TOTALLY tapped that with Claremont writing

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was disappointed with the lack of a push for glory as a legit love interest as well, you’d think she would’ve been perfect for his love interest in the MCU movies rather than just bastardizing the name MJ

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There was that one weird AU comic mini that combined Michelle with Glory.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s funny to think that the last 16 years of spider comics have been just as awkward and awful at giving pete love interests as the mid 70s, I can’t think of a single good love interest to come out of this shit. I also can’t think of a single good dating story to balance any of this out. I suppose it’s better than that one new 52 Batman story where he was totes in love with this pianist in one of the four batbooks (no she was never brought up outside of that book) only to have it end with Bruce dropping her off at a concert with the bat plane and she ends up getting tortured to death in an attempt to find out his identity, but still something would’ve been nice

                Though I don’t think Slott has ever been on a date in his life so I don’t think he could’ve ever written a good story about it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would say they're not inherently bad, but Marvel (and others like Wizard, back in the day) really romanticized the Bronze Age Spider-Man. 70s Spider-Man had a lot of great moments, but after Death of Gwen and arguably Harry being the Goblin (for the first time), 70s Spider-Man just seemed like it was running in place. 80s Spider-Man actually felt like they had a direction to go in, even if it wasn't originally intentional.

                I see a lot of similarities between Bronze Age Spifer-Man and the Brand New Day/Slott Era, but the latter was a lot worse because of how much of a regression and infantizaltion it was. There’s been lots of “love interests” like Carlie Cooper who were completely irrelevant, all the while ship teasing Peter with MJ and Black Cat, but not doing anything with them, AND keeping the same baggage that ruins the fun of young single peter. While Bronze Era Spider-Man was just kind of doing nothing for awhile, it’s still better then straight up regressing and self destructing the way the Slott Era did.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Glory Grant acrually has probably the worst showing out of all the love interests. Look at her biography on Wikipedia:

              >When first introduced, Glory Grant is pursuing a modeling career and meets Daily Bugle photographer Peter Parker who has just moved into her Lower West Side apartment building.[3] They then become fast friends.[4] When Glory is looking for work, Peter brought her to the Daily Bugle where the publisher J. Jonah Jameson has been going through secretaries since the departure of his long-time secretary Betty Brant. She works for Jameson and, later, Robbie Robertson who becomes editor-in-chief.[5]
              Grant falls in love with a gang boss named Eduardo Lobo. He and his brother Carlos wage a gang war against the Kingpin, and he uses Glory to access the Daily Bugle's research files on the Kingpin. However, he falls in love with her, and Glory is conflicted over the romance. Peter suggests she follow her heart. When Eduardo ends up battling Spider-Man, Glory shoots and kills Eduardo with a silver bullet. Spider-Man thanks her but she reveals that she was aiming at Spider-Man, having followed her heart as Peter suggested.[6][7]
              >Despite Glory harboring a deep resentment for Spider-Man, he helps her and government agent Shotgun against the late voodoo witch Calypso, who spiritually possesses Grant long enough to engineer a scheme that brings Calypso fully back from the dead.[8]
              >When Jameson becomes Mayor of Manhattan, Grant becomes one of his aides, appearing with him at the Raft on the day of Alistair Smythe's execution.[9] However, she later quit his administration when she saw that Jameson would never end his personal vendetta against Spider-Man.

              The Lobo stuff was from the spectacular Spider-Man spin off comics, but it’s pretty crazy that Gloria had such a really strong introduction, was organically brought into Peter’s life…and then literally nothing happened, ever. Being black is the only interesting thing about her.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah and I think she ended up as a love interest of Falcon for a short while. Honestly her story kinda mirrors Betty’s as starting out as a semi love interest, to primarily a bugle employee to having a story where spidey is involved with the death of a loved one

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Marcy was fairly reoccurring in Spectacular, she had a whole arc where she warmed up to Peter and everything.
            She just got hijacked by Jack of Hearts and retconned into being some random alien princess before being killed off. I will never be not mad about that

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I really love reading this. Talking about some random obscure character being wasted the same way people talk about popular anime characters being wasted. Just very funny especially at how absurdly obscure she is. You are the worlds one Marcy Kane fan.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The way human sexuality has functioned since the start of civilization is that the powerful men claim either the best and/or the most women while the lower power men take the lesser women and any deficit in the need for female companionship is supplemented by conquest of other groups in which their men are killed and their women are integrated by force in a way where the warrior caste gets first pick.

    TLDR Men are meant to frick a ton and it is the denial of classical conquest as a viable strategy that causes problem.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s called old fashioned sexism, OP.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A key that opens many locks has value.
    A lock that is opened by many keys is worthless.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of pretending that there isn't an obvious difference between a man dating/fricking multiple women vs. a woman dating/fricking multiple men? Acting like the two are the same is dishonest.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spoken like a true incel.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go have a nice day, you shithead. I wasn't even being judgemental of the latter party. Just presenting the facts. You can go cry if you don't like it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry, did I strike a nerve?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FRICK YOUR MOTHER

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you're going to act like this the whole time, frick off and stop wasting my time and yours. It's really pathetic of you.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              FRICK YOUR MOTHER

              Damn that guy was right, yall homies are wilding lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Samegayging that obviously
                Sad

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because something something keys and locks, something something blatant misogyny, something something wah why don't women like me I'm such a nice guy.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    truteal

    Why is Debra cosplaying as she-ra?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't realize he and Glory dated. I thought they just had a flirty friendship

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a manprostitute is a chad women want to frick. female version is just a bawd. this is unironically how women and society thinks.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gwen in the clouds

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marcy was the best match for Peter.
    Debra was the best girl, but Peter did nothing but abuse and gaslight her.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Elaborate on Marcy being the best match for Peter and Debrah being best girl. You are the first person in my entire life I have seen even talk about them like that.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We don't? Everyone hates editorial for making MJ and the rest of the girls malicious, but nobody hates them themselves, only the skinwalker wearing their corpses.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fricks sake, this makes me pissed of at Mary Jane again.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like how Gwen is standing on a cloud to indicate she's in heaven, lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >she's in heaven
      After what she did behind Pete's back?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Norman took Gwen to Heaven then sent her to Hell

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bruh, why is Norman kissing Quentin Beck?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post-OMD development. Does not count.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >post-Clone Saga shit
        Back to your discord, cuck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was years before they knew what a terrible mother she was.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who's Debra? She looks so cute

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a female version of peter
      from peter's abusive boyfriend phase

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While it doesn't really apply to old, old stuff, whenever Peter dates anyone who isn't MJ people get mad at OMD and blow it off as the writers fanfiction.
    Which they're right to do so. It's one of those things so ingrained you can't really go against it even with the word of canon.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Something something, lock and key

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