Why does Batman avoid using magic?

Why doesn't Batman use magic as part of his repertoire?

>He can't, you have to be born with it, a homosexual Magi
John Constantine. Willoughby Kipling. Billy Batson. Alan Scott. Ra's al Ghul.
>He can't acquire any magical items or reagents
He is a literal billionaire he absolutely could buy one if he wanted. He also just has magic friends like Zatanna who could MAKE him magic items.
>He doesn't have time
But he had time to learn 80 gorillion martial arts and earn a PHD in every stem field and social science and criminal justice, and still keep up a cover story of a billionaire playboy philanthropist? I'm not saying he needs to be fricking Dumbledore here, the guy knows 0 magic spells, incantations, seals, charms, or wards, carries 0 magical artifacts, has 0 magical entities contracted as thralls or even advisory familiars.
And it's not like that kind of info would never be useful, he's fought plenty of magical enemies over the years, not to mention it might make him less fragile and less reliant on frankly fairly fragile gadgetry, the batmobile is mogged by a single particularly motivated parademon.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Zorro didn't use magic. Simple as.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      as what?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Which version? I'm going to assume you mean mainline version just for clarity. Short answer is he can't wrap his head around it. He's an ultimately very science based guy who focuses on stuff he understands and sees superstition as a state of mind rather than a basis in reality, a side effect to essentially being a source of superstition himself. Zatanna once tried to teach him but ultimately he just plain couldn't figure it out, but nevertheless didn't seem to indicate he thought it was fake or not real or something out of 1 or 2 issues where he insisted it was science that hadn't been understood, but those were often contradicted by the current Justice League issues at the same time. On top of that Gotham is a terrible place to practice magic in general due to the city having a haze of curse over the whole thing, which makes using it long term in there a serious danger. I think it was Blood who pointed that out? I'll have to look again, it was one of the 90's issues. Not one of those Cthulu issues, it was a mainline issue. Admittedly that means it's pre-Nu52 and like 2 other total universe reboots, but that's a whole other issue.

    TLDR He's just not good at it, and is in a place where using it long term would be a bad idea in general so magic items are right out, simple as.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >which makes using it long term in there a serious danger.
      God I wish I knew the issue but this was one of the bullshit reasons they gave why Ra's, who in other stuff uses magic plenty, barely uses it in the main books. The real reason is obviously he pulls out OP shit all the time when he has to be a JL level threat but all of a sudden is kung fu man when fighting just Batman.

      Fricking nobody remembers he can do Zatanna's style of backwards magic.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP just dug up one of the most obscure Batmen.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    to put it simply, the general in universe reason is because he doesn't like it

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why doesn't superman just carry the villain into space and throw him into the sun?!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      At least on one occasion (i believe it was something Injustice-related, but can't remember for sure now) Superman told Lobo, that if one would not behave, he would throw Lobo into the Sun, as it wouldn't kill Lobo, but would provide quite a lot of inconvinience for one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      because that's lethal to most villains and superman only kills as a fully last resort because he's a Good Boi™.

      he has done it before to villains that can survive it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        True

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'll give you an answer that isn't covered in your OP. Basically magic requires two major factors; faith and relinquishing control. The former is based in not fully understanding the mechanisms of how a spell works, just the fundamentals to get the desired results, which in turn leads to the latter point where a spellcaster often has to sacrifice something or strike a deal to gain something in return.

    Now with all of that said, do you really see Bruce doing that? Bruce wants to do things his way, have control over the situation, and of course doesn't put faith in anything other than himself. An example; Bruce is entirely aware of an afterlife and knows a supreme being like The Presence exists, but has virtually no concern nor faith in any of those things to do anything for him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good points. Throw in that Bruce hears about everything that happens (including all of the inevitable times those magical deals go bad) and it looks like a lot of risk and compromise for little reward.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Which we can also circle back to his compulsion not to let go of anything. His entire career is rooted in someone else having power, and having no control over a situation that resulted in the death of his parents. Batman can be convinced to go though with plans with acceptable losses via a cynical greater good mentality, but there's a line for that and he often will seek the route where he pulls the strings not leaving anything to chance.

        This entire realm of magic is foreign to him, and he will never understand nor accept it any better than say Lex Luthor. Might explain why he never went through with that fling with Zatanna in his youth

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Batman has to know at least some magic. The Batcave is magically protected from teleporters and wizards, he's shut off Circe's powers at least once and has some supply of Nth metal and the ability to shape it into what he wants.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's more calling in a favor from Zatanna or Doctor Fate to ward his cave. At best Bruce will carve ruins or use special metals in the lining of his defenses, but that's more book reading basic b***h defenses rather than learning real magic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Bruce will carve ruins
        i haven't even seen that much.

        InStory Answer, Magic is double edged and risky especially for someone like Bruce. There was basically a comic where Zatanna's dad told him, "nah I can read you pretty easily. Your ass would become a Lich in no time flat" So Batman knows the inherit risk of magic and if he were to lose himself to its temptation the mission is lost.
        Real Answer, Batman was envisioned as a Pulp hero who uses gadgets and his wits. Not Magic. It's the same reason why all the Avengers don't just mix and match their respective gimmicks so they're all better rounded.

        >It's the same reason why all the Avengers don't just mix and match their respective gimmicks so they're all better rounded.
        Then explain iron spider. And how does Captain America learn martial arts instead of just the Brooklyn fisticuffs he starts with? Every avenger ability that CAN be shared is. It's just most can't be, or are more a curse than a gift like Hulk.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I misspoke, what I meant to say is "I would only see Bruce carve symbols into the wall" as in within the realm of what he would be willing to do as far as magic. Either that or use stuff like Nth metal, Iron, or whatever repels something spooky

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cap already knew a bunch of bullshit kung fu from his early days. He still ultimately sticks to "I'm a super soldier with a super frisbee" and isn't working in rocket boots regularly. Iron Spider was a gimmick to show Pete is really on board with Tony but he pretty quickly rejects it and is back in the Spider-PJs. Like even when Superman has a "whoa I know Kung Fu, Thanks Bruce" moment it's not like they make it a massive facet of his character it's just relegated to trivia neckbeards get mad about when casuals say "Superman would be a b***h without his powers"

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Batman knows haki

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any Dark Multiverse stuff about wizard Batman? I mean we have Batman with guns, Jokerized Batman and Batman with literally every Justice League gimmick, surely there's room for lich Batman

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The one in the OP is exactly that, a guidebook said he killed the Justice League Dark and turned the Spectre into his wand

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Out of universe its because if you start giving Batman magic, then it makes like 90% of his rogues gallery irrelevant, or you have to give them magic too, and then every Batman plotline becomes a magic plotline. It's the same problem of giving Batman too much high-tech shit like mech suits and self-aware robots, because now every Batman story turns into a shitty cyberpunk thing. Just look at Snyder's or Tomasi's run for what happens when you start playing around with that

    In-universe its partly because Batman is an enormous skeptic and analytical person, he can't accept the leaps in logic necessary to do magic, and partly because his whole no-kill rule needs really precise understanding of his tools. Magic is anything but precise, so maybe he casts a spell and it turns the Riddler inside out or something

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    According to the knight mini series that is canon right now, Bruce tried but if he kept learning magic he would have to give up his other skills

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    InStory Answer, Magic is double edged and risky especially for someone like Bruce. There was basically a comic where Zatanna's dad told him, "nah I can read you pretty easily. Your ass would become a Lich in no time flat" So Batman knows the inherit risk of magic and if he were to lose himself to its temptation the mission is lost.
    Real Answer, Batman was envisioned as a Pulp hero who uses gadgets and his wits. Not Magic. It's the same reason why all the Avengers don't just mix and match their respective gimmicks so they're all better rounded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Real Answer, Batman was envisioned as a Pulp hero who uses gadgets and his wits. Not Magic
      Right, and Zatara premiered in Action Comics #1 the year before, so there was no chance of his touching magic in that whole early period without looking like a knock-off for it.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know about magic, but I always feel like if his life was in danger he's pull out some crazy ninja technique/crazy monk-palm strike that severes the soul from the body/ or some other bullshit like that. The guy learnt martial arts from the best of the best and he doesn't have a single mystical kung fu move?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He does. The Hellbat suit is magic.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is the point of these threads? The real answer is because of meta reasons, he doesn't use magic because the Batman brand says that he can't use it. Are you guys stupid?

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