Why does everybody suck this run off so bad?
>rehash of an already existing well known storyline
>performs blatant character assassination on pre-established supporting cast and makes a bunch of superheroes look like absolute morons
>takes a full year of this shit to conclude
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Because it was fun. Simple as.
We all know it's stupid, barely makes sense, and is ultimately unnecessary. But sometimes, that just doesn't matter.
You're free to still not like it, I'm jsut explaining why others do.
fpbp
It's weird and sad how some people get so twisted and bitter that they can't understand the simple concept of fun.
>samegayging your own post hours later because no one agrees
also something can be fun without being moronic
letting shitty stories be made because they're "le fun just turn your brain off" is exactly why Spider-Man hasn't been good in years outside of the spin-offs and one-off stories
It was moronic and had an awful effect on not only the character in universe, but the mythos of the character afterward. Now Superior just HAS to happen in every adaptation since.
Yet it's only happened in one other adaptation unlike the symbiote which actually does have that expectation to show up in every adaptation.
I hope it stays that way, I really do. But people crow for it to happen in the Miles movies, in the Insomniac games, speculate if it will happen in Ultimate. The idea has already been rehashed again in ASM because Slott has no ideas at all.
I have no fricking idea.
I honestly don't.
Because it's the only part of Slott's 10-year run that even FEELS like it has any consequences or happenings, even if it gets entirely undone in the end. Everything else he does is "illusion of change" bullshit.
It also helps that Christos Gage writes a small part of it IIRC, which somewhat reduces the effect of Scott's usual empty storytelling
Superior Team-Up was the best part of this and it wasn't even the main title.
Thats because Yost was writing it. Team-up and Scarlet, good times.
Spider-man fans have no taste.
It's cute that you think there are any spiderman fans reading spiderman anymroe.
USM?
How many know about it and how many are just waiting for the other shoe to drop and be hurt again?
it's on top of the sales charts, so a lot of people know about it
Who else do you think read this garbage character?
Anon, I don't think you understand.
The sales charts has absolutely nothing to do with how many people actually bought and or read it.
>FANS BAD
>CHARACTER BAD
Marvel Shill spotted doing their "Hate Everything" character to falsely blame the wrong people for bad books
It was a shakeup that people liked but it came at the sacrifice of Peter and his supporting cast. Everyone was dumbed down and Otto outsmarted everyone with ease. Slott was just wanking him off the entire time. Gage gave him some humility and every other writer made fun of him. You could really tell how the other writers felt about Slott in how they treated Spock.
As much as I dislike this story, I respect people's right to their own opinion. Those who keep asking for every new continuity to include Superior Spider-Man can frick off, though.
>Put Spock in the Spider-Verse films!
>Put Spock in the Insomniac games!
>Put Spock in USM!
It's so damn tiresome.
>Put Spock in the Spider-Verse films!
Miguel is basically that in ATSV
>Put Spock in the Insomniac games!
There's already enough set-up involving Otto that i wouldn't be surprised if it happened at all
>Put Spock in USM!
Now that would just be unnecessary.
I don't like Superior either, btw.
>Put Spock in the Spider-Verse films!
This was people wondering why they chose to shit on Miguel for their dogshit plotline when SpOck would have worked just as well if not better
>Put Spock in the Insomniac games!
This seems like less of a demand and more of a prediction of what will happen. They dove straight into the plotline of Otto's body failing him
>Put Spock in USM!
Who is saying this?
>when SpOck would have worked just as well if not better
It could still be SpOck for all we know, they kinda have the same personality
While i do think SpOck would work in Spider-verse, it'd be weird for him to also be a Peter Parker. Notice how all main characters don't share the same name despite being variations of Spidey. There's a shitton of Peters, but only one of them gets the spotlight in both movies
>Notice how all main characters don't share the same name despite being variations of Spidey
That's part of why the canon event stuff was so shit. They want to say that every Spider-Man story goes the same way to make Miles look special (even though the opposite is true) but they also want a bunch of wildly different Spider-Adjacents for a diverse cast and these two ideas just do not work together
>Those who keep asking for every new continuity to include Superior Spider-Man can frick off, though.
I'm starting to wonder if it's Slott doing those demands
When you know that he goes around and uses alt accounts it's hard not to think that happens
For the record I don't like this book at all.
It just happens to be the only of Slott's stories I actually remember in some capacity. Ten years of stories and they barely left an impression on me.
And honestly this book plays to Slott's "strengths" more than Spider-Man proper. As in, I'd rather have Octavius written an obnoxious cringeworthy butthole with gimmicky toyetic gadgets and barely and meaningful interactions with Peter's supporting cast rather than have a book like that centered around Peter (which was the rest of Slott's run.)
It was arguable the point where the 616 Spider-Man books were ruined and never recovered. Slotto was already writing misery porn Pete before this but this arc hammered it down as the status quo and no writer since has deviated from the "Peter is a sad sack loser who always loses and even when he wins he ends up worse than before" characterization
Because it was fun and at the time imagining other villains taking over as Superior XXX was also fun.
I don't. I like the idea of a supervillain trying to be a superhero in their own strange and vicious way and try to become better people inspite of themselves, but considering that everyone needed to become super moronic before, during, and after the event, I don't think it was worth it. And "The Die Is Cast" is a stupid catch phrase.
>rehash of an already existing well known storyline
There's another story of a villain trying to replace his nemesis without anyone ever finding out?
>There's another story of a villain trying to replace his nemesis without anyone ever finding out?
Are you fricking moronic?
It's literally the most beloved Spider-Man arc of all time.
Venom?
har har
>Venom never actually had one consistently good arc in TASM
>TNGSD is influential but not really 'beloved' in that sense, if anything it seems like Marvel wished it didn't happen half the time
I forgot the part of The night Gwen Stacy Died when Norman started to be spiderman.
>It's literally the most beloved Spider-Man arc of all time.
The return of the green goblin?
The hobgoblin saga?
Gangwar (original)?
None of them has that happen.
It is good and fun, cope
I never got it as well, simply because Dr Octopus trying to be the hero or be a Spider-Man simply makes no sense
It would make sense for Harry Hosborn, Venom, or even Kraken again, hell even Norman Osborn would make sense since he admire Peter potential and detemination.
Otto wasn't trying to be a hero until Peter blasted him with core memories until Otto felt as close as he was capable of Parker guilt. Even then he still did most of it out of ego and trying to prove himself superior
The one criticism I never got was saying it was a Kraven's Last Hunt rehash. Besides an enemy trying to be Spider-Man and wanting to be a Superior Spider-Man they have nothing in common. Kraven just threw on a costume and had didn't truly understand Spider-Man. Otto literally had the deepest understanding a nemesis can by literally getting flooded with Peter's memories and having a fundamental understanding of what made him who he is. That alone is enough of a distinction.
>besides the literal plot, they had nothing in common
>kills peter
>assumes his identity
>fights crime as him
>literally says he will be the superior spider-man
>dies
>peter comes back to life
Slott had some balls ripping off a much better story and pretending it was his own.
Dude, Kraven punched a sewer rat and called it a day.
You have to be a moron to think you can even compare them. Spock did more with the idea and better.
a sewer rat that beat Spider-Man's ass repeatedly
Still, it's hardly impressive. MAYBE if he had finished off the Osborn bloodline I'd be something, but him baddy pretending to be spider man was the most forgatable part of the story.
People only remember it because it was the fist and last time anyone wrote a good Kraven story.
and what did Otto ultimately accomplish? Frick all. He ran scared when Norman showed up again because he knew he would never be as good as Peter.
He put black cat in her place.
Knew how to actually deal with a mass shooter.
Made the city safer than it had ever been.
Made better webs.
>ruined Black Cat for a while
>lol
>lmao
>rofl
Unlike Peter, when a villain tried to do a body swap and steal his life, Otto was able to stop it.
>when a villain tried to do a body swap and steal his life, Otto was able to stop it.
Wasn't that just Peter? I know Otto put the plates on his neck because he knew peter would try it, but I didn't know someone tried it again afterwards
The only moron is the one expecting a 1:1 story retread. The general ideas are obviously copied and while Kraven's Last Hunt is one story, SSM is an entire series.
Kraven actually proved he was better than Spider-Man by defeating a villain he couldn't. The entire point of Superior was that SpOck is actually worse and Peter is the actual Superior Spider-Man
>people liked Superior
The historical revisionism on Cinemaphile is so fricking hilarious. Anyone who was actually there remembers the actual response: lusting over the dwarf waifu and cursing Slott. The only page that got ANY positive reception was the "I never carried a man-purse", and perhaps the panel where Ock realizes Spider-Man has been holding back for years pleased the powerlevelgays. Otherwise, only Superior Foes was liked, and it had absolutely nothing to do with Superior Spider-Man itself.
This was not all that long ago, historically, and already people are completely changing the narrative. Of course nobody learns anything if nobody remembers anything. You damn kids keep fricking up the lawn, whether you're actually children or you're Alzheimer's boomers.
The premise was really stupid, but it turned out to be really fun. Marvel has been trying to go back to it, recreate it or use it for various things for years, but failed. They have no idea why it worked and people liked it.
The adaptation of Superior was the best thing to come out of that 2017 show
>Why does everybody suck this run off so bad?
Cause it's great. Doc Oc trying to replicate Spiderman's behavior that he completely misunderstands is really fun to watch.
It would have been great if Peter's supporting cast hadn't been turned into morons. Aunt May can catch Chameleon when he makes the tiniest slipup but can't tell something's wrong when Otto isn't even trying to act like Peter.
>Why does everybody suck this run off so bad?
I recall people complaining about it every week while it was happening.
Don't forget. Slott could be in this thread right now.
I believe it.
Because it's a meme. It's the same as the morons who went on about Rightclops. They don't actually like it and I'd be surprised if they even read it. It's a giant joke to them.
Anna Maria Marconi appears for the first time in this run. This character is the best thing to happen to Spider-Man in recent years.
She deserved so much better, she honestly did. Even aside from the 'haha shortstack I want Peter to rail her fat ass over Otto's grave', she was a ride or die support for him after he came back when no one else was there for him, and she got the absolute cold shoulder shaft in return. She was just a joy of a character from beginning to end.
I couldn't agree more. She's a character who should have stayed close by Peter's side in each of his new adventures. Her use in the current Superior Spider-Man run sucks, it's sad but she may never get the treatment she deserves again.
It gave us Superior Foes of Spider-Man. That turns 10 this year and the expiration date on the jokes turns 8 this year.
Awful.
That wasn't good either.