Why does Phantom Menace makes OT fans seethe so much?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People knew Lucas dropped the ball with RoTJ, and subsequent Special editions. The hype was unlike any other movie, merchandise and consumer products up the fricking ass with star wars logos and darth maul. The movie starts with political messages and blockages this, slowing down the pace for exposition arguably necessary. Alot of people didn't like the childhood focus on anakin for w/e reason, and jar jar was obviously c3p0 and r2d2 combined and forced for children. Movie is really just a fricking slog to watch. Podrace and Maul is a combined 30mins that's the only good parts. Lost maul hype by killing him instead of being a returning villian. Just too many missed opportunities. Midiclorian bullshit too. I could go on but let's cut it here.

    Tldr
    Lucas got surrounded by yes men since rotj and we've been suffering ever since.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Lucas got surrounded by yes men since rotj and we've been suffering ever since.

      RLM homosexual repeating thoroughly disproven disinfo

      > Jedi are not romanticised warrior monks of the Republic, they are bureaucratic-like stooges of the status quo who measure power levels with midichlorians.

      That’s literally the point. How people misread movies intended for 12 year olds is laughable. If you watched the OT and walked away thinking the Jedi were faultless good guys, you failed basic comprehension.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have you actually watched the bts footage?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, and I’ve read the Rinzler BTS books which are even more thorough and destroy any “yes man” theory peddled by RLM

          >That’s literally the point. How people misread movies intended for 12 year olds is laughable. If you watched the OT and walked away thinking the Jedi were faultless good guys, you failed basic comprehension.
          I get it. I understand it, your patronising shit and strawman is tiring. No where did I say they were fautless. But Lucas himself has said so much contradictory things over and over again about what the point was. He didn't develop the concepts well leading to okay ideas being poorly executed.

          You write like a third worlder, explains your lack of film knowledge

          I'm 46yrs old, I don't watch your YouTube homosexualry. Project your insecurities elsewhere, maybe reddit.com

          You should, considering the fact that you and YouTube-tier film reviewers arrived at the same conclusion. You belong with their ilk.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine sucking off george Lucas this hard on the internet. Whew lads.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you’re mistaken about this thing
              >wow you’re sucking him off
              lol, pathetic

              >Just ignore the actual footage and read the propaganda books instead, They're the REAL truth
              lmao

              >the comprehensive written book is WRONG, but the hour-long, Lucas-approved and selectively doctored behind the scenes footage is RIGHT
              lol, one can’t be right and the other wrong

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No actual evidence to support yourself. Okay I accept your consession. Keep telling yourself your right. Cya loser I'm off to my gfs house.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it's Lucas approved and doctored imagine how damning the whole thing would be

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Just ignore the actual footage and read the propaganda books instead, They're the REAL truth
            lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're the third worlder m8, can't even respond to arguments without resorting to shit flinging.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That’s literally the point. How people misread movies intended for 12 year olds is laughable. If you watched the OT and walked away thinking the Jedi were faultless good guys, you failed basic comprehension.
        I get it. I understand it, your patronising shit and strawman is tiring. No where did I say they were fautless. But Lucas himself has said so much contradictory things over and over again about what the point was. He didn't develop the concepts well leading to okay ideas being poorly executed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 46yrs old, I don't watch your YouTube homosexualry. Project your insecurities elsewhere, maybe reddit.com

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm 46yrs old

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Project your insecurities elsewhere, maybe reddit.com
          >everything is a pathology

          Nah he was just pointing out that you're an idiot.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Incorrect use of pathology

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm 46yrs old, I don't watch your YouTube homosexualry.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        TPM is the best of the prequels, which says more about the prequels than TPM. Jar Jar sucks and we probably didn't need to go so far back as to hear the story of Anakin's birth, but it's a pretty coherent movie about saving a planet from evil invaders. Darth Maul is cool and there are some good action sequences like the podrace.

        Meanwhile AOTC and ROTS give us the horrendous romance between Anakin and Padme, Anakin's totally moronic fall to the Dark Side, and such brilliant dialogue as "I HATE SAND" and "I HAVE SEEN A SECURITY HOLOGRAM OF HIM KILLING YOUNGLINGS!"

        >MUH RLM
        If it only took 3 reviewers to "brainwash" everyone into thinking the prequels sucked, then maybe the prequels just sucked, ever think of that?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > If it only took 3 reviewers to "brainwash" everyone into thinking the prequels sucked, then maybe the prequels just sucked, ever think of that?
          Don’t know who you’re quoting, I never said that. The RLM videos were popular, but not novel in their flawed critiques

          You're the third worlder m8, can't even respond to arguments without resorting to shit flinging.

          >no u

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No u is all you deserve

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Awful take. ROTS is hands down principle Star Wars, it’s the heart of the franchise. Everything is based off of ROTS aesthetics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Everything is based off of ROTS aesthetics.
            Ah yes, by dint of Lucas’ time machine, the (chronologically speaking) sixth movie informed the five that came before it aesthetically.
            Can you even think a single thought, or are you just stringing words onto each other without even a hint of consciousness?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Frick you, it was not just three reviewers, they were patient zero for a fricking virus. The Phantom Menace was critically acclaimed until one day, overnight, every critic and "fan" started echoing the exact talking points outlined in RLM's review. It was astroturfing, plain and simple, probably training for the programs that they now run.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The phantom menace was shit upon from day one and there were rumors it was trash before its release. Plinkett compiled complaints about the movie, not invented them you low iq zoomie. Don't talk about shit hou didn't live through.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are so fricking full of shit. I was a 90s kid, people mocked Jar Jar the moment the movie came out. I remember playing Newgrounds flash games where you vaporized Jar Jar with a laser cannon.

            https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/16329
            >Uploaded Apr 25, 2001

            There were also plenty of other people who mocked the prequels back then, like the "Abridged Scripts" on the-editing-room.com, or when The Simpsons mocked the prequels all the way back in 2004 (https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Co-Dependent%27s_Day). "MUH RLM" is just a sad cope by prequelshitters who can't stand that their favorite movies have always sucked.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Jedi are not romanticised warrior monks of the Republic, they are bureaucratic-like stooges of the status quo who measure power levels with midichlorians.
        >you don't like it because Jedi are not good enough!!!
        How do you read that and think it's anything but a complaint that the prequel Jedi are fricking LAME?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nta but if the slightest bit of nuance makes you unable to enjoy a film then you might just be moronic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you watched the OT and walked away thinking the Jedi were faultless good guys, you failed basic comprehension.

        Honestly I need to hear your interpretation of this? It's clear jedi are the protectors of the galaxy and of the old republic before the dark times, before the empire. In a more civilized era.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's clear jedi are the protectors of the galaxy and of the old republic
          And evidently they failed. How can you not get that? Also Obi-Wan and Yoda explicitly tell Luke not to confront Vader and save his friends in ESB, even though that sets in motion what allows the emperor to be defeated.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And evidently they failed. How can you not get that?

            Okay brainlet that doesn't stop them from being galactic peacekeepers. Now re-answer my question you midwit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You said they were faultless
              I named their faults
              Now stop deflecting israelite

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA you're currently losing another argument to, but it looks like you've lost at least three in this same thread. At what point do you throw in the towel? You're really quite bad at this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I haven't even been making other posts you schizo moron. I can see why your mother didn't love you homosexual. Next time you get suicidal thoughts you should listen to them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't even follow the reply chain idiot.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That’s literally the point. How people misread movies intended for 12 year olds is laughable. If you watched the OT and walked away thinking the Jedi were faultless good guys, you failed basic comprehension.
        it's funny how prequelchads understand the OT much better than OTgays. most OTgays are so old their dementia is interfering with their memory of those films

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and walked away thinking the Jedi were faultless good guys, you failed basic comprehension
          Name one thing bad about jedi in the OT.
          Problem?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [crickets]
            As I thought.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Prequelgays think there's subtext about the Jedi actually being corrupt representatives of a decaying republic (there's nothing in the actual movies to convey this in any clear form...it's just head canon). The reality is that Lucas was using basic good/evil archetypes and failed to give Anakin an actual reason to betray them beyond the shallow hubris of "muh power level" and "Padme tho!"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >flawed fear-filled youth in forbidden love says jedi 'bad'
              >jedi thus must be 'bad'
              Because the flawed people are always right.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the flawed people are always right
                See Ms Kennedy for more details.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >repeats plot beats told directly to the audience as if they make up for the character motivations being nonsensical and the plot not holding together under the most basic scrutiny
                Hand wave all you want but you're not a Jedi, lol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Obi Wan and Yoda both tell Luke he has to kill his father, and that there is no other way. They say this in no uncertain terms. What actually ends up happening proves them wrong, their old calcified way were wrong. They aren’t bad people, but misguided on things like emotion and detachment, because Luke clearly harnesses them to his advantage to defeat and then save his father.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This is a very stupid reading of the OT.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then the OT is stupid, because there’s no other way to read it. It’s painfully self evident.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Were you born moronic or is it the result of a later brain injury?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have no counter argument, the post
                Don’t you have an appointment with a sign language interpreter, Black person?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because there’s no other way to read it.
                There is, though. They thought Vader was beyond reason because he was personally responsible for hundreds of deaths over decades. It has nothing to do with the "old way" either. How do I know? Because Vader tells us. He immediately draws a connection between what Luke is doing and what Obi-Wan tried to do, and it very nearly ends with Luke dying (and not at all how Luke thought it would go) because Vader really was fricked up. They didn't fail to redeem Vader because the idea didn't occur to an Obi-Wan blinded by calcified dogma. Vader was a monstrous prick.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They thought Vader was beyond reason because he was personally responsible for hundreds of deaths over decades.
                Yeah I think you’re reading way too much into this. Sure, this is how people from our modern times would react. But this is pulp fiction for a 12 year old. Which is why it’s not supposed to be odd that by the end of the OT, Vader is “redeemed” even though he was cutting off hands and crushing necks on screen just a few hours ago. Kids are supposed to be happy about this. It’s an exaggerated morality. Also, Kenobi lies to Luke about his father’s identity (or at least “from a certain point of view”) and yoda didn’t either until it was pried out of him on his death bed. They’re set up to be good, but slightly misguided teachers, whose pupil proves them both wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah I think you’re reading way too much into this.
                >"This guy keeps doing evil things for decades. I don't think he's interested in just not being evil."
                >reading way too much into this
                Okay, anon. It was because they didn't understand emotions and didn't follow Manson's example of listening. That's it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's clear jedi are the protectors of the galaxy and of the old republic
                And evidently they failed. How can you not get that? Also Obi-Wan and Yoda explicitly tell Luke not to confront Vader and save his friends in ESB, even though that sets in motion what allows the emperor to be defeated.

                This

                Also, since some of you are invoking Buddha so much, before he achieved his Enlightenment, he first acknowledged that his initial attempt at being a penitent failed, because all it led to was useless self-harm in the pursuit of understanding suffering.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Obi Wan and Yoda both tell Luke he has to kill his father, and that there is no other way
              That's usually the way of dealing with evil they have experience of.
              Makes sense.
              >star WARS
              Yes. That's how wars work.
              >a new HOPE
              Luke, his son, has hope and sees another way.
              Who could possibly have imagined?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nothing you said contradicts what I said

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Soldiers aren't evil for killing the enemy.
                That's how wars work.
                You have much to learn.
                Your moral compass is broken.
                Mine is not.
                Fix yours?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you moronic. I said they were wrong, not bad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you sure? Read your own posts again.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And they weren't wrong either.
                Killing people works in wars.
                For some reason you have a hard time with this simple concept.
                Why is that?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re moronic, at no point in the OT is Lucas trying to suggest that Yoda and Kenobi have been corrupted by their experience of war, that’s your own, schizo reading of the narrative. People are a product of their environment and can’t always be blamed for their actions is not a theme of the OT.

                NTA and it does. You presented a reading of the narrative that depends upon the fact Yoda/Obiwan are misguided. The fact is that for Vader's redemption to have impact the audience has to be told that it's impossible and this isn't necessarily reflective of some overarching thread about the Jedi being unintentional bad guys (this is head canon from the prequels). Luke needs an obstacle and doubt needs to exist in order to present stakes to the audience. Lucas basically made shit up as he went along which was fine for a simple story like the OT but became convoluted and laughably nonsensical under the pretense of the PT.

                Yeah again I don’t see where the disagreement is coming from. We’re all in agreement that they’re not bad guys, and also that they were wrong about Vader having to be killed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah again I don’t see where the disagreement is coming from
                Basically, Anakin is a shallow character and there's no actual reason for him to believe Palpatine and destroy the Jedi. It's all very rushed in the prequels which renders Anakin a petulant moron to whom the plot simply happens. In order to make up for this fact, prequelgays invented a narrative about the Jedi being dogmatic representatives of a decaying republic so as to retroactively make Anakin less of a homosexual and cover for the fact Lucas's attempt a tragic character study is really a convoluted mess of childishness.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He’s groomed and diddled by the supreme chancellor since the age of 10

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA and it does. You presented a reading of the narrative that depends upon the fact Yoda/Obiwan are misguided. The fact is that for Vader's redemption to have impact the audience has to be told that it's impossible and this isn't necessarily reflective of some overarching thread about the Jedi being unintentional bad guys (this is head canon from the prequels). Luke needs an obstacle and doubt needs to exist in order to present stakes to the audience. Lucas basically made shit up as he went along which was fine for a simple story like the OT but became convoluted and laughably nonsensical under the pretense of the PT.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're right in the sense that Luke killing Vader didn't come to pass, and in fact Luke's refusal to kill Vader probably saved his life and ended the Emperor's just a few minutes later.

              I don't think it was necessarily the message that emotion saved the day, as Luke losing his center and becoming emotional is what nearly killed Vader, and recentering himself is what stopped him from killing him.

              There's also an idea in the fandom that the Jedi are just emotionless husks, which is a Flanderization from the KotOR games and not really in the films or the decent books. We see Obi-Wan and Yoda happy, mournful, etc. all the time, in both OT and PT. They aren't emotionless or even really trying to be, they're really just Buddhists.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't think it was necessarily the message that emotion saved the day, as Luke losing his center and becoming emotional is what nearly killed Vader, and recentering himself is what stopped him from killing him.

                This is exactly it though, he proved he was able to harness emotion while keeping himself in check. This resulted in the redemption rather than killing of his father, who was turned by his son’s love, another emotion suppressed by the Jedi.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he proved he was able to harness emotion while keeping himself in check
                He proved the exact opposite, becoming emotional caused him to nearly kill his father, which would ultimately have doomed him and the galaxy. It was eschewing emotional thinking for Yoda's passiveness and calm that saved the day, not getting enraged and emerging from the invisible stairs. The whole point of the scene is "woah, being so emotional almost ended badly, better calm down"

                >another emotion suppressed by the Jedi
                Not really true either, it's just video game slop writing from people with the barest surface level understanding of things. It's a Buddhist idea about attachment and wanting causing suffering, it isn't the weirdness the games twist it into where the Jedi are celibate Vulcan monks. There's an obvious amount of brotherly love between the Jedi in the PT, and obvious care between Kenobi/Yoda/Luke as well. They're not Spock and were never intended to be.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The whole point of the scene is "woah, being so emotional almost ended badly, better calm down"
                Nah. Again, the objective WAS to kill Vader per the Jedi. They didn’t say anything about killing him in anger or killing him with a serene smile, as if that would make a difference. The point is that Luke is able to harness both to his advantage, which he has been doing since the beginning of the film (force choking Jabba’s guards).

                And of course the not-so-subtle imagery of Luke’s goodbye to his father, in which his white lapel on his black outfit is (suddenly) opened, matching Vader’s white face contrasting with his black armor. Obvious yin/yang symbolism, consistent with the Eastern spirituality Lucas was inspired by.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the objective WAS to kill Vader per the Jedi
                Obi-Wan and Yoda's wish, not Luke's objective. He was never there to kill his father, surrendered to him, refused to fight him at every turn. You've allowed after-the-fact Flanderization from WestEnd and Bioware to color your perception of what the film shows.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No I’m analyzing some very obvious facts from a children’s film. I have never played KOTOR.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They didn’t say anything about killing him in anger or killing him with a serene smile, as if that would make a difference

                >Beware anger, fear, aggression, the dark side are they
                Sometimes I think you people haven't seen these movies in 30 years and you're working off a memory that has skewed way off course.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re so close. You’re sooooo close to “getting it” that it’s painful.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >empty nothings and redditorisms
                I accept your concession. Learn to be wrong on the internet without embarrassing yourself like this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He said, wiping the drool from his chin

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's his faith in his father that saves the day. Not Yoda

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The jedi being husks isn't from kotor. All the jedi in it are fairly emotional

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I cannot stand how dipshits like you just invoke RLM as if that automatically discredits any and all criticism.
        How people misread the Plinkett reviews is laugable.
        He wasn't putting new ideas into anyones head. He was simply putting the ideas and annoyances a LOT of people had with the movies into a concise format and backing it up with clips of the movies.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There's a pasta about that as well.
          Just dropped in to point out you guys have to frame every prequel thread as the movies not being bad and you're still seething about friend simulator videos that came out 15 years ago. If the movies were actually good you would have moved on by now and the eceleb videos wouldn't have got so much traction that they still live rent-free after a decade and a half.

          Cry, seethe, ignore the fact you feel the need to continuously defend them instead of enjoying them. Just remember that you're low IQ for taking Star Wars this seriously in the first place.

          Do with this information what you will.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I cannot stand how dipshits like you just invoke RLM as if that automatically discredits any and all criticism.
          Good. I hope you seethe

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the phantom menace documentary says youre a giant fricking homosexual that suck kaiju wiener. he was surrounded by homosexual yes men who gave him zero feedback or ideas for fear of getting fired. the jedi were fricking evil with a brainwashed army of child soldiers as the big stick of the republic.

        There are only 6 Star Wars movies, a bad xmas special and something with Ewoks.
        I have no idea what some mentally-ill abnormals heading for bankruptcy have been feeding us for a decade.
        I watched most of that 'new' whatever without paying a penny and STILL feel like asking for my money back.

        the ewoks cartoon and the special are litty as frick

        That and lowered expectations. I rewatched Terminator 3 recently and while it was still a dumb B-movie, it actually seemed kinda decent compared to the shit that gets churned out now.

        Modern cinema is so fricking shit that older bad movies seem a little better by comparison, so for some people the prequels may seem good.

        [...]
        >criticizing fricking STAR WARS is pseudointellectual

        T3 was trash. they had the S.M. Stirling T2 sequel novels that wrapped EVERYTHING up in a pretty bow and made perfect sense. even why the T800 has a german accent and looks like arnold.
        >BASED DIETER

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I watched 5 minutes of a curated look at George Lucas working on the Phantom Menace and NOW I KNOW EVERYTHING about the set’s power dynamics DUDE TRUST ME PLEASE

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            homie you are white knighting the guy who got so mad at mara jade that he sold the whole thing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he was surrounded by homosexual yes men who gave him zero feedback or ideas for fear of getting fired.
          He's their fricking boss.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But the Jedis ARE the faultless good guys. They aren't omnipotent and all-knowing, but they come as close to it as it is possible in the galaxy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But the Jedis ARE the faultless good guys
          No they're not. Why do you autists keep on thinking this? The whole point was that they lost their way, especially during the war, and that allowed the Sith to destroy them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay megatard who are the "good guys" in star wars then? Try not to blow a gasket and strawman your way outta this one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was 12 year old and found it meh.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Lucas got surrounded by yes men since rotj
      Since ANH (which wasn't called ANH back then). TESB was the first movie where he started doing moronic things (making Vader Luke's father) and ROTJ was even worse than that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funny thing though... the story made sense, the motives of characters made sense and the members of the audience could put themselves into the characters and enjoy the ride.
        You cannot say that of modern movies.
        It feels like watching halfwits or Down's Syndromes stumble about in a tale as thin as a congressman's sliver of honesty.
        Modern movies are mostly written by dolts for people they assume are as fricking moronic as they are.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can watch the first five mins of most modern movies and predict EXACTLY where the story will go.

          Don’t get me wrong I love those films, but I wouldn’t dare call them the highest form of the art

          Art movies make no money, are watched by vanishingly small number of people and win awards.
          REAL movies make money and are a phenomenon.
          They still exist and for the same reasons.
          Hollywood just cannot make them any more.
          The last 5 good movies/shows I've watched had subtitles and we all know that 48% of the american public is functionally illiterate so those movies are inaccessible to them.
          Luckily, I'm no american so frick those c**ts.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >TESB was the first movie where he started doing moronic things (making Vader Luke's father)
        Making Vader the Jungian father and dragon figure in the same individual, and having Luke kill the dragon while at the same time saving the father and his legacy is pure unfiltered kino and you have irredeemably shit taste if you think otherwise

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The beginning and ending of Rotj are great. It's the middle that's lacking. It doesn't help that Harrison Ford acts like he doesn't want to be there in the movie compared to his really energetic performance in esb

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Making Vader the Jungian father and dragon figure in the same individual
          Vader should have been Luke's father's killer, just as Obi-Wan told Luke in ANH, not his father, and that would have made a lot more sense, because instead of avenging his father's death Luke's motivation for TRoJ is... What, saving a cyborg formerly known as his father, who killed Luke's Jedi master in thee first movie and cut Luke's hand off in the second? Seriously? Making the Emperor the main villain of the trilogy in the end was an idiotic idea too. And making Leia Luke's twin sister was probably the dumbest plot twist in cinematic history: the original plan was to have him have a sister in another part of the galaxy, and she too was trained in the Jedi tradition. But then Lucas couldn't find an actress who could play the role, so he decided to make Luke and Leia twins, and this just doesn't make any fricking sense.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are SO moronic you should apply for a job at Yidsney era Lucasfilm. You'd fit right in.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >moronic things (making Vader Luke's father)
        Nothing moronic about this, more than any single thing this is probably responsible for the staying power Star Wars had in pop culture before the slow demise of the prequels and the Disney selloff.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Disney only knows how to make disney princesses so it makes perfect sense they'd make disney into a collection of princesses with lightsabers, even the men all all poofs now so they achieved their objective and disneyfied it.
          They're a one-trick pony and will never be able to make action movies now they have a critical mass of sexually-confused abnormals running the asylum.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *make 'disney SW' into

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sometimes it's amusing to see what moronic bullshit you stupid zoomers come up with, but mostly its just sad.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >slowing down the pace for exposition arguably necessary
      the issue is that it's all meaningless jargon that seems to be thrown it because Lucas hated how childish Star wars was seen by the masses, and he resented the lack of hard/realistic world building of the OT. He over-corrected and made a very boring movie with very boring characters about barely comprehensible (to the point I'm not quite sure george understood them himself) and fairly nonsensical political and fiscal struggles.
      But because he still had to make money off of toddlers he put Jar Jar and toddler Darth Vader in it
      It was just a rotten movie, despite being 100 times more soulful than any of the sequels

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Lucas hated how childish Star wars was seen by the masses
        what an amusing headcanon you’ve come up with

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's on record for saying to Spielberg that he felt like ANH was a movie for kids and not what he wanted to make. This was before the film premiered

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The prequels are shit. Always have been. Always will be.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The sequelgay seethe is real. Always has been. Always will be.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You don't like X?
        >Then you MUST like Y!
        Culture war brainrot, log off and get some fresh air lil bro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The sequels and prequels are equally shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The prequels are shit. Always have been. Always will be.
      Nope, they never were and never will be.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The OT doesn't do great world building, it is goodies vs baddies with pulpy adventure stuff and a bunch of influences. People had decades speculating about things in the setting and then the prequels is like the set up to the whole thing and it gets bogged down in the demystification of everything. Jedi are not romanticised warrior monks of the Republic, they are bureaucratic-like stooges of the status quo who measure power levels with midichlorians. Jar Jar is too goofy in a tone that goes too far. There doesn't feel like any stakes. The CGI is too much. It stops being a human story.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The galaxy felt huge in the prequels and pathetically small in the sequels. But I think some of that had to do with the supporting media released with it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The galaxy didn't feel huge in the prequels. We go back to worlds like Tatooine again and again. The Republic and Jedi as concepts were meh. So much of the execution was poor. The whole war between droids vs clones as boring as frick.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's a greater sense of what society is like throughout the galaxy in the prequels and the new worlds they did introduce had all manner of extra alien qualities versus the original trilogy only really giving us Tatooine and Cloud City and otherwise existing entirely in the wilderness away from everything else.
          The sequels are mostly recycling Tatooine and McQuarrie architecture forever and ever alongside a handful of Endor and Yavin stand-ins because god forbid they bring a unique looking setting to the table.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The sequels are mostly recycling Tatooine and McQuarrie architecture forever and ever alongside a handful of Endor and Yavin stand-ins because god forbid they bring a unique looking setting to the table.
            The cassino planet was cool.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The OT doesn't do great world building,
      I disagree with this but roughly agree with everything else. I don't think the OT writes everything out for you but does a good job of painting the picture of environment and circumstances the characters dwell within.

      What I think the main problem is that the OT and the PT were created by the same guy who is really just trying to sell toys and attract children to his product. It's the same business decisions pulled between 2 different era's of movie making.

      In the OT I think there's leeway because he was establishing everything so his short sighted mistakes didn't seem as egregious. With PT you had a few decades where OT is now established and you're still making shit up as you go along and it contradicting what came before seems more garish.

      I personally don't see much difference in Lucas' thought process from Obi Wan telling Luke hi father was a good friend that turns out to be Darth Vader and a slight romantic triangle between Luke Leia and Han that turns into she's your long lost twin sister That Obi Wan also totally knew about but didn't tell you when she called begging for help. To your father was a Pilot in the war to you dad was a pod racing slave with some skill that hid in space ship and blew up a robot control facility once, and Oh yea I was his Jedi master.

      But within the confines of trilogy that's coming out relatively close together you can make those decisions work but when you've established a narrative and some 20 years later you're like nah it's totally different than what you thought, it doesn't sit right.

      Everything from the Jedi being basically myths that no one had ever seen or interacted with to ther huge Temple in the middle of the city and being made generals of all the clone troopers in a war that happened 16 years ago that no one remembers, to Leia saying she could vaguely remember what her mother looked like to being shown her dying at birth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lucas makes in the moment decisions and I assume the rest of the team smooths them out for him. But smoothing out his decisions that contradict what was previously happening with that large of a gap doesn't work

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jedi are not romanticised warrior monks of the Republic, they are bureaucratic-like stooges of the status quo who measure power levels with midichlorians.
      these work in the setting's/plot's favor. audiences just weren't ready for it. they built up a different star wars in their head. They wanted to see the golden age of the republic fall, not a snapshot of its final days of decline

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They wanted to see the golden age of the republic fall, not a snapshot of its final days of decline
        Spot on

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      too much comic relief stuff, too much time spend on tatooine doing dumb shit like pod racing, too much emphasis on spectacle/cgi. was the spectacle AWESOME? yes, absolutely. but it also didnt really FEEL like star wars, so it stands out as dissonant. also "midichlorians" garbage ruining the concept of the force, and the jedis being a bunch of idiots that are just pretending to help. also the "virgin birth" was maximum cringe. trying to set anakin up as this epic chosen one, when we know that he will fall (and BARELY "redeem" himself at the end), and then seeing the actual fall was turbo cringe. a virgin birth just takes it a step too far and makes all of the other shit even worse by foil.

      >It stops being a human story.
      holy frick, THIS. that sums it up so perfectly. there is so much emphasis on spectacle that it kills the actual human connection to this far away and high-tech place/story.

      >It's clear jedi are the protectors of the galaxy and of the old republic
      And evidently they failed. How can you not get that? Also Obi-Wan and Yoda explicitly tell Luke not to confront Vader and save his friends in ESB, even though that sets in motion what allows the emperor to be defeated.

      >And evidently they failed.
      you can have people fail without portraying them as wildly incompetent jobbers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you can have people fail without portraying them as wildly incompetent jobbers
        That is how republics crumble and turn to empires. It could never happen if every institution was at the height of both power and purity.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    watch plinkett.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >watch a failed film maker turned “movie critic” fail to analyze a children’s film

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you'd rather stack fallacies? ok.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s only natural to assess the merit of the individual making the accusations

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, natural in the second grade. It's also natural to shit on the ground instead of a toilet.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Uh, ok?

              No actual evidence to support yourself. Okay I accept your consession. Keep telling yourself your right. Cya loser I'm off to my gfs house.

              Have fun, pajeet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >kids movie
        First two movies are about space taxes and trade disputes. Even as a child I was bored.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shut the frick up you loser

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because it's shit

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because it's a boring moronic ugly toy commercial

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It takes a high IQ and sophisticated pallette to appreciate the delicate interplays and subtleties woven into the politically centered narrative of the Phantom Menace. Most Star Wars fans are ultimately stunted man children who just simply are not up to the challenge of the film, mentally or emotionally.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Great. the writing, acting, and directing sucked balls. and the casting. did ya see the scene where the princess chick goes to bed with a giant necklace on?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It takes a high IQ and sophisticated pallette to appreciate the delicate interplays and subtleties woven into the politically centered narrative of the Phantom Menace.

      What the frick are you talking about? The movies are for children you dumb ass!

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't. I enjoyed it immensely. I don't like it quite as much as I like the original trilogy, but all the prequel movies are great.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only good movie was Star Wars (1977). The rest of the series is all bad, and yes that includes the precious one you all think is the best movie ever.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get lost you contrarian homosexual. Go shill AVTAK in some James Bond thread.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I grew up watching the OT on VHS in the 90s. I think the Prequels are fine, and over time my appreciation for Phantom Menace grows.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tomorrow, Lesbian Headlard's lesbian fanfiction about a pair of twins, one sith and one jedi, a plot mined and stolen from the ExtendedUniverse they aborted days after the purchase from George, will air and you will discover they have ruined the FORCE by making it something women of that galaxy far far away produce... that is only passed on to their male children when the mother dies in childbirth, but normally only women have, but men get/steal from women by accident or misfortune.
    Welcome to the end of StarWars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fin

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that the narrative that one guy was saying will “kill Star Wars” in the third episode?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. It's worse.
        Chewbacca turns out to be female and Yoda is a jedi murderer of children for extra force powers, hence why he goes into exile on Dagobah, when found out after the clone wars.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's why they banned George Lucas from the Acolyte set. They knew the script would be opposed by him.
          Also why the hired know-nothings and discouraged them from even watching the other movies so they had no stake and would just go along with it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Star wars has been dead since episode VII

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Our long national nightmare is over...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Vader retconned to be a Latinx troony in a wheelchair

      ludokino

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Vader retconned to be a Latinx troony in a wheelchair

      ludokino

      It's about the twins not having a father and being a force dyad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are going to call the Force by THREAD now.
      I'm not joking. You can print this.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were Expanded Universe Fans or Boomers who wanted something serious like Andor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I liked Andor.
      I likes Mando 1+2
      I never finished Boba Feck.... so never saw the 'Luke' episode.
      Ahsoka was 'a curates egg' and watchable but didn't feel like 'grown up Ahsoka from the Clone Wars'. The actress was good but just wrong and frick me was it SLOW!
      Tales of the Empire are odd and the episode where she keeps calling a single jedi 'they' was confusing as I thought there were TWO jedi and I kept thinking my brother-in-law had pirated a torrent of a bad copy of that episode with some scenes missing. "THEY ARE NOT DEAD!"... piss off disney with your bs. 'HE' is not dead, you dimwit writers! HE.
      It's fricked frickways now.
      It is kinda dead to me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh yeah... Obi wan... forgettable. Completely. It entirely slipped my mind.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TPM feels disconnected from the prequels. Episodes 2 and 3 feel like a continuing story, but almost nothing in TPM really matters or impacts anything, it's like the Han Solo movie. Episode 2 should have been episode 1, with a war movie in between, then episode 3.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, we really didn't need to go all the way back to Anakin's birth. Just portraying him as a promising young Jedi who falls to the Dark Side would be enough.

      IMO they should've had him be traumatized in the Clone Wars and so he resorts to increasingly desperate means to end the war, eventually choosing the Dark Side. It would go in hand with Vader talking about "bringing order to the Galaxy" in ESB.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >some random geek understands SW better than it's creator.

        It's like pottery

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          By that logic, we can't criticize anything ever because we don't understand it as well as the creator.

          The whole purpose was to establish Padme as an unironic shota queen, which would have eventually been the cause of Anakin's fall, but George chickened out and didn't want to pull the trigger on it. I remember being Padme and Anakin being so far apart in age being a major topic of gossip back then. That and making her look like a geisha.

          Lol, I can't imagine /ss/tar Wars selling all that well. Would certainly have been interesting, though.

          Anakin’s fall to the dark side being caused by intense emotional attachment which is naively suppressed by the Jedi makes thematic sense, and makes Luke’s final duel more meaningful because he represents everything the Jedi should have been, but were not. Luke succeeds where Anakin failed.

          Maybe, but there were better ways of doing that then having Anakin turn to a mass-murdering manipulative Sith Lord for help just because he had a bad dream. You could've had Padme be seriously injured by the Separatists so he turns to the Dark Side for revenge, which also places the emphasis on his connection with Padme.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shut the frick up you pseudo intellectual.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're totally correct, and much smarter than most of the raggedy homosexual anons we have shitting up Cinemaphile these days

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks Anon. I know this is Cinemaphile, but the level of shitposting and contrarianism on Cinemaphile is something else.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > You could've had Padme be seriously injured by the Separatists so he turns to the Dark Side for revenge
            This is gay

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well that sith lord was also his father figure. Probably took him out for ice cream and shit when he was first getting started at the jedi academy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The whole purpose was to establish Padme as an unironic shota queen, which would have eventually been the cause of Anakin's fall, but George chickened out and didn't want to pull the trigger on it. I remember being Padme and Anakin being so far apart in age being a major topic of gossip back then. That and making her look like a geisha.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I remember being Padme

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The pron memes were better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anakin’s fall to the dark side being caused by intense emotional attachment which is naively suppressed by the Jedi makes thematic sense, and makes Luke’s final duel more meaningful because he represents everything the Jedi should have been, but were not. Luke succeeds where Anakin failed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Anakin’s fall to the dark side being caused by intense emotional attachment which is naively suppressed by the Jedi makes thematic sense,
          What you're doing is describing plot and using the term "theme" in order to make it seem like it has more depth than it actually does. Prequelgays do this nonsense all the time. There's even a pasta about it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >moron discovers foundational story telling technique dating back to Gilgamesh and thinks it’s some kind of gotcha that detracts from the films
            Whew lad

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >foundational story telling technique dating back to Gilgamesh
              See

              Lucas is a master of multi-layered storytelling and this has to be taken into account when viewing the prequels. Just look at this scene--its short but there is so much going on! You have to understand how this scene on an archetypical level--the natural nature of digestion vs. power draining machines. But there's still so much more. You see, in the EU it's explained that this animal is actually owned by a man named Zeeboo Beeboo who had been misfeeding it prior to the events we see in TPM. Coincidentally--he looks a little like Jar Jar and therefore, via this subtle foreshadowing via flatulence, we see the revolutionary embers that will spark the fire of a rebellion (what a set up!). But wait, there's even more at work here! What can be interpreted as a simple fart joke is actually a direct echo of Luke/Leia's incestuous kiss (you have to be familiar with Ring theory to truly understand this). But given the archetypal nature/machine dichotomy and the hidden performative protest of the animal's fart, which deftly signals to the audience the coming of rebellion, we see the brother/sister kiss as the symbolic act of defiance against a hegemonic empire! Remember that scene where Jar Jar stepped in poo-poo? Foreshadowing of the trouble to come. BRAVO LUCAS!
              Lucas is a genius who layers his films so they work on multiple levels. Please like and subscribe for more fart sniffing videos.
              >Prequelgays are some of the dumbest people you'll find on the internet. You'll notice that they'll say shit they have no idea about (e.g. "allegory of the Roman Empire" or "Aristotelian structure"). The reason for this is that people used to mock the prequels by pretending they had depth and prequelgays didn't get the irony. They'll parrot stuff they have absolutely no clue about simply because they think these poorly written CG cartoon movies are high art. It's pretty hilarious.

              . You've never read Gilgamesh and you don't even know which ancient civilization it came from.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kek
                >anon imagines its the only one to have ever heard of clay tablets baked in a fire at a king's palace that was gutted by fire as the city fell
                NGMI

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I take personal offense to that, it’s one of my favorite and most re-read stories. The uncultured may say it’s Sumerian but those were only five poems which the Babylonians used as raw material for their standard version Epic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's why prequelgays are fun, though. They're beautiful little wienersuckers and I would not change them. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a wonderful mall food court dinner planned and some flannels to pick up from the dry cleaner.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lucas is a master of multi-layered storytelling and this has to be taken into account when viewing the prequels. Just look at this scene--its short but there is so much going on! You have to understand how this scene on an archetypical level--the natural nature of digestion vs. power draining machines. But there's still so much more. You see, in the EU it's explained that this animal is actually owned by a man named Zeeboo Beeboo who had been misfeeding it prior to the events we see in TPM. Coincidentally--he looks a little like Jar Jar and therefore, via this subtle foreshadowing via flatulence, we see the revolutionary embers that will spark the fire of a rebellion (what a set up!). But wait, there's even more at work here! What can be interpreted as a simple fart joke is actually a direct echo of Luke/Leia's incestuous kiss (you have to be familiar with Ring theory to truly understand this). But given the archetypal nature/machine dichotomy and the hidden performative protest of the animal's fart, which deftly signals to the audience the coming of rebellion, we see the brother/sister kiss as the symbolic act of defiance against a hegemonic empire! Remember that scene where Jar Jar stepped in poo-poo? Foreshadowing of the trouble to come. BRAVO LUCAS!
          Lucas is a genius who layers his films so they work on multiple levels. Please like and subscribe for more fart sniffing videos.
          >Prequelgays are some of the dumbest people you'll find on the internet. You'll notice that they'll say shit they have no idea about (e.g. "allegory of the Roman Empire" or "Aristotelian structure"). The reason for this is that people used to mock the prequels by pretending they had depth and prequelgays didn't get the irony. They'll parrot stuff they have absolutely no clue about simply because they think these poorly written CG cartoon movies are high art. It's pretty hilarious.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is more likely to make an impact on Reddit

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Calm down, Officer Angle.

              kek
              >anon imagines its the only one to have ever heard of clay tablets baked in a fire at a king's palace that was gutted by fire as the city fell
              NGMI

              I take personal offense to that, it’s one of my favorite and most re-read stories. The uncultured may say it’s Sumerian but those were only five poems which the Babylonians used as raw material for their standard version Epic

              >You'll notice that they'll say shit they have no idea about (e.g. "allegory of the Roman Empire" or "Aristotelian structure")

              Lucas is a master of multi-layered storytelling and this has to be taken into account when viewing the prequels. Just look at this scene--its short but there is so much going on! You have to understand how this scene on an archetypical level--the natural nature of digestion vs. power draining machines. But there's still so much more. You see, in the EU it's explained that this animal is actually owned by a man named Zeeboo Beeboo who had been misfeeding it prior to the events we see in TPM. Coincidentally--he looks a little like Jar Jar and therefore, via this subtle foreshadowing via flatulence, we see the revolutionary embers that will spark the fire of a rebellion (what a set up!). But wait, there's even more at work here! What can be interpreted as a simple fart joke is actually a direct echo of Luke/Leia's incestuous kiss (you have to be familiar with Ring theory to truly understand this). But given the archetypal nature/machine dichotomy and the hidden performative protest of the animal's fart, which deftly signals to the audience the coming of rebellion, we see the brother/sister kiss as the symbolic act of defiance against a hegemonic empire! Remember that scene where Jar Jar stepped in poo-poo? Foreshadowing of the trouble to come. BRAVO LUCAS!
              Lucas is a genius who layers his films so they work on multiple levels. Please like and subscribe for more fart sniffing videos.
              >Prequelgays are some of the dumbest people you'll find on the internet. You'll notice that they'll say shit they have no idea about (e.g. "allegory of the Roman Empire" or "Aristotelian structure"). The reason for this is that people used to mock the prequels by pretending they had depth and prequelgays didn't get the irony. They'll parrot stuff they have absolutely no clue about simply because they think these poorly written CG cartoon movies are high art. It's pretty hilarious.
              >foundational story telling technique dating back to Gilgamesh

              >moron discovers foundational story telling technique dating back to Gilgamesh and thinks it’s some kind of gotcha that detracts from the films


              Whew lad

              The point was proven in the very next post, lol. Prequelgays are truly moronic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You called me out that I didn’t understand something and I clearly did. What’s your point? Do you have any argument or do you just strawman?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trolling bots are coded to respond this way.
                Ignore it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah a schizo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You called me out that I didn’t understand something and I clearly did
                Highly doubt it and the pattern with prequelgays is to ape terminology they don't understand while presenting completely superficial and surface level comparisons. For example, bringing up The Epic of Gilgamesh and pretending it somehow automatically carries the idea that the prequels are masterpieces of storytelling. The reality is that even a most basic understanding of narrative will betray the fact the prequels are so terrible they become comedy (i.e. that adage of how failed tragedy becomes unintentional comedic).

                Trolling bots are coded to respond this way.
                Ignore it.

                >ignore
                You'd think prequelgays would be good at that, considering you have to ignore a lot to enjoy the prequels in the first place, but then again you gays are still crying about friend-simulator vids that came out a decade and a half ago, lol. There's a pasta about that as well.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There's a pasta about that as well.
                Just dropped in to point out you guys have to frame every prequel thread as the movies not being bad and you're still seething about friend simulator videos that came out 15 years ago. If the movies were actually good you would have moved on by now and the eceleb videos wouldn't have got so much traction that they still live rent-free after a decade and a half.

                Cry, seethe, ignore the fact you feel the need to continuously defend them instead of enjoying them. Just remember that you're low IQ for taking Star Wars this seriously in the first place.

                Do with this information what you will.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's just a coping mechanism for them, the moment they encounter information they can't deal with, a question they can't answer, etc., they pull the string and start repeating the preprogramed meme phrases and buzzwords. You're a bot, you shill, you zoomer millenial boomer redditor manchild slop slop kek slopper!

                These people aren't human, not really.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Their stupidity is almost incredible. If you like CG cartoon movies about a lizard rabbit that steps in doo-doo, so be it. However, when they start parroting the old memes about how deep Star Wars is without being aware of the irony it's too much, lol.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >For example, bringing up The Epic of Gilgamesh and pretending it somehow automatically carries the idea that the prequels are masterpieces of storytelling

                Your reading comprehension is abysmal. I brought it up to cite an example of how “hero(es) finds himself in the same situation at the beginning and ending of the narrative but the outcome is different to demonstrate growth” is an old, satisfying, and effective trope. Nothing about Gilgamesh in particular legitimizes the prequels, I was just illustrating to another anon that Luke being tempted by the same things Anakin was tempted by but refusing to succumb to them is not a strange narrative choice. I do not subscribe to ring theory schizos, Star Wars is simple to understand.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your reading comprehension is abysmal.
                No you:

                >I was just illustrating...
                I was pointing out the fact that prequelgays will make superficial connections in order to ape the depth of such in service of the prequels. What's actually carrying the weight is the references themselves, it's just a veneer they place over plot beats, because prequelgays have a very surface level understanding of such concepts and simply repeat them (mostly because this used to be done ironically and prequelgays were too moronic to get the joke).

                Get it now, moron? Thanks for providing examples.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t give a single frick what your argument is, I wasn’t arguing against your schizo crusade, you completely misread my post and I wasn’t even remotely touching on the subject of legitimizing the prequels. You’re a moron, plain and simple

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you completely misread my post
                Nope. Again, you demonstrated the fact that prequelgays will ape the depth of references while betraying the fact they have a very surface level understanding of them by way of making superficial connections. This is largely because making such references was done in irony and prequelgays, being moronic enough to think CG cartoon movies are high art, didn't get the joke.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Absolute schizo, I wasn’t making any connections between the prequels and its film callbacks. Are you just copy pasting these responses at this point?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I wasn’t making any connections between the prequels and its film callbacks
                Never said you were, moron. What you were doing was what I've written above a few times now (i.e. waxing pretentious by way of making superficial connections between an exemplar deemed to be representative of high culture and plot beats in a shitty cartoon movie).

                This is what prequelgays do. One can explain why the context of a particular plot element is silly or give a detailed analysis of why the character motivations are nonsensical to the point of absurdity. However, a prequelgay will always fall back summarizing a plot thread and explicitly stating how a character feels, oftentimes told directly to the audience because Lucas is a shit writer (lol), while convincing themselves that some shallow and completely superficial similarity it has to x raises it to the level of masterful storytelling.

                The basic fact is this: prequelgays are dumb enough to regurgitate passionate opinions about poorly written kids movies and this fact prevents them from being intelligent enough to understand why they're bad. The fact prequelgays are morons is a catch-22.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Meds

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >MY POWER LEVEL!
                >uh, a little bit shallow for tragic hubris...
                >CAN YOU NOT SEE MY INNER CONFLICT!
                >hmmm, the relationship with Padme could be a source of conflict...
                >NO! IT'S FRICKING ROMANTIC! WE SAID IT'S FORBIDDEN AND THAT'S ENOUGH! NO ONE WILL NOTICE! WE'RE TELLING YOU HOW TO FEEL ABOUT THIS!
                >but neither of your characters really change based on one another...
                >CAN'T YOU SEE HOW FRICKING TRAGIC THIS IS? MY EYES CHANGED COLOUR!
                >this feels a little rushed...
                >[FORCE CHOKES PADME]
                >while giving birth she...dies of a broken heart?
                >THIS IS TRAGEDY!
                >ffs

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s real schizo hours re re re real schizo hours

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shhhh, go watch Jar Jar.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >VICE-Admiral Holdo
                How zer earned the VICE part of zer title before zer transition.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                STAR WARS FACT #38029...
                >C3PO is the instigator of all tragedy
                >R2D2 is the instigator of all victory

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact prequelgays are morons is a catch-22
                Stop using euphemisms if you don’t know what they mean

                >Making Vader the Jungian father and dragon figure in the same individual
                Vader should have been Luke's father's killer, just as Obi-Wan told Luke in ANH, not his father, and that would have made a lot more sense, because instead of avenging his father's death Luke's motivation for TRoJ is... What, saving a cyborg formerly known as his father, who killed Luke's Jedi master in thee first movie and cut Luke's hand off in the second? Seriously? Making the Emperor the main villain of the trilogy in the end was an idiotic idea too. And making Leia Luke's twin sister was probably the dumbest plot twist in cinematic history: the original plan was to have him have a sister in another part of the galaxy, and she too was trained in the Jedi tradition. But then Lucas couldn't find an actress who could play the role, so he decided to make Luke and Leia twins, and this just doesn't make any fricking sense.

                Yes, saving your dad no matter how evil he was is based. Leia being Luke’s twin is silly but it doesn’t fundamentally disrupt the narrative

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the clone army was uncovered while investigating a conspiracy related to the sith/war
                >they literally just go along with this amazing coincidence because they're moronic
                >they all get murdered because the plot needs it to happen
                ...
                >massive conflict spanning thousands of planets all across the galaxy
                >literally going on for decades at this point with millions upon millions of people involved
                >it ends because the plot needs it to (i.e. 3 mins of screentime in which Anakin kills 5 or 6 people)
                ...
                >Anakin trusts Palpatine, a Sith who started a massive war killing millions for the sake of his own power, and betrays the Jedi
                >the excuse is "PADME THO! JEDI DON'T RESPECT MUH POWER LEVEL!"
                >...
                >the relationship between Anakin/Padme generates no actual conflict within the plot (the audience is just told "FORBIDDEN ROMANCE!" even though nothing actually inhibits them)
                >the plot is literally just "EMOTIONS ARE CONFUSING AND RELATIONSHIPS CAUSE EMOTIONS!"

                Basically, shit needs to happen in order for the plot to move forward so it does. Sure, there are lots of nonsensical plot holes but this is low-hanging fruit that has been done to death (basically cheap YouTube style criticism). The deeper problem is that the plot isn't being driven by characters in something that has the pretense of being a tragedy; tragedy is specifically character driven as far as that genre goes. You end up with simplistic moron takes from the characters while the plot happens to them and them making decisions that are kind of stupid because the plot simply needs to happen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is this gif supposed to criticize

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >TWIRLING LIGHTSABERS THO!
                Want to insert some head canon about how they knew one another so well that standing still and spinning their lightsabers beside one another is ACKTULLY masterful fight choreography?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s just a sequence of feints. Is this confusing? With how overchoreographed the rest of the 15 minute fight with plenty of lightsabers touching, and with how gung ho the prequels are on editing in post, don’t you think it’s rather implausible that this is something they “missed”?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s just a sequence of feints. Is this confusing?
                It's funny.

                I think the scene looks stupid, but for the record it isn't head canon, it is artist intention. Nic Gillard designed it that way, it was just really poorly done and gay looking. A simple sequence of them not needing to block and just evading each other's swings would have done better.

                >I think the scene looks stupid, but for the record it isn't head canon, it is artist intention.
                The head canon is believing what the other anon said is conveyed to the audience without it looking moronic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the scene looks stupid, but for the record it isn't head canon, it is artist intention. Nic Gillard designed it that way, it was just really poorly done and gay looking. A simple sequence of them not needing to block and just evading each other's swings would have done better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s just a sequence of feints. Is this confusing?
                It's funny.[...]
                >I think the scene looks stupid, but for the record it isn't head canon, it is artist intention.
                The head canon is believing what the other anon said is conveyed to the audience without it looking moronic.

                Nah I don’t need headcanon about how they secretly diddled each other and know each other’s moveset perfectly yada yada yada. It just looks dope, and that’s all there is to it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It just looks dope
                Sure, anon. That's why so many people point it out and laugh. I'll bet you own several "dope" fedoras, lol.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >so many people
                Keep telling yourself that lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Calm down, Officer Angle.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's not very good.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is always absolutely insane to me when people complain about TPM supposedly being too dialogue heavy. Proof that morons who grew up in the late 80s and 90s already had their dopamine receptors fried beyond repair and couldn't ever stand actually dialogue-focused films.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based, frick the prequels, frick the sequels, frick Disney, frick Lucas, and frick women and Black folk

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look on the bright side... at least no man will ever have to frick SquareHeadLand.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't because the people who seethe at these movies at least enjoyed the vidya, and I'd rather watch a weird and IL conceived movie than a contrived piece of shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a contrived piece of shit.
      Where a magic dagger is shaped like some DeathStar wreckage and some space-horses ride on a battlecruiser?
      That and fixing Han's ship's engine without ever having seen it before?
      Barely an inconvenience!

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What everyone loved in the OT is the WW2-coded Imperials vs Rebels. It had recognizable war aesthetic, understandable stakes, small band of ragtag inserts was comically evil Empire with a lot of nice war gear and props everywhere.

    And then TPM comes out and it's goofy shit and hijinks throughout. Anakin being a kid is not a problem and the overall plot is not the problem. The issue is that everything comes off really goofy apart from a few tense moments.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And then TPM comes out and it's goofy shit and hijinks throughout.
      Ewoks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Watch the OT again and take the rose-tinted glasses off. It was a pulpy silly franchise right from the beginning.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And it sold like hot porgs on a stick.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are only 6 Star Wars movies, a bad xmas special and something with Ewoks.
    I have no idea what some mentally-ill abnormals heading for bankruptcy have been feeding us for a decade.
    I watched most of that 'new' whatever without paying a penny and STILL feel like asking for my money back.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      looks better than the prequels & disney wars

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As with every time this shit if brought up, the most hardcore prequel-haters are people who grew up with the OT and thought that they were the best films ever made and hasn't grown up. They are 40yo manchildren who haven ever watched actually good cinema.
    This is the equivalent of an adult mad with anger because McD's happy meal toys were better when he was a kid.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this. It’s people who think Ghostbusters or Back to the Future is the peak of cinema

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They made money, got remembered fondly and moved the social needle... so compared to today's forgettable abnormal-filled dross, they were.
        >tell me the plot of Age of Ultron or the second episode of Book of Boba Fett without looking it up
        I rest my case.
        Instantly forgettable. A BigMAc you ate rather then an event you experienced and recall lines from.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don’t get me wrong I love those films, but I wouldn’t dare call them the highest form of the art

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The prequels were universally reviled for years. The usual group of morons came along and said "wouldn't it be funny if we pretended to be moronic and acted like the prequels were good", and then eventually irony decay set in and actual morons overwhelmed the actors. That's really all there is to it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >universally reviled for years
      By whom?
      Not anyone I've ever met.
      It's a fake narrative like the 'Tran push off social media by bigots' lie people push because it is in the headlie dbase their algorithm uses but untrue in reality.
      Start mentioning Orange Man next... you know you want to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not anyone I've ever met.
        lmao, what a metric.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still true.
          Unlike you I get out and talk to real living people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, I'm sure just the other day you were walking around the public parks and approaching unaccompanied children to see if they would validate your meme opinion about Jar Jar Binks. Happens all the time.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Real people have friends.
              Do you have those in your village?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That and lowered expectations. I rewatched Terminator 3 recently and while it was still a dumb B-movie, it actually seemed kinda decent compared to the shit that gets churned out now.

      Modern cinema is so fricking shit that older bad movies seem a little better by comparison, so for some people the prequels may seem good.

      Shut the frick up you pseudo intellectual.

      >criticizing fricking STAR WARS is pseudointellectual

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I should rewatch terminator 3.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, but I recently watched all the Terminator movies. 3 was pretty bland and largely boring. But rewatching Salvation, I thought that was pretty good and seeing Genisys for the first time, I thought it was fun. Dark Fate sucked ass, though.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen X's had spent the entirety of the 90's building up Star Wars as something that was cool and hip and mature. See things like the Thrawn trilogy writing the universe more like a traditional sci-fi rather than the more Pulp inspired OT. So when TPM tried to be an old-style adventure movie that has the chariot race from Ben-Hur as the big setpiece they felt angry. Then there was the fact that Lucas simply wasn't beholden to certain popular interpretations of the universe which meant TPM shattered a lot of peoples headcanons, which further pissed them off.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most people (and by people I mean actual on-the-ground theatergoers, not professional critics who dominated media discourse prior to the internet) who saw RotJ movie at release loved it the best. For Chrissakes it was so popular they made a cartoon and two live-action movies all about Ewoks!
    ESB supremacists are the postmodernist pseudo-intellectuals who think the only good movies are the ones that are "dark and edgy", and these people with pretensions to higher aesthetic taste did not begin to dominate the fandom until the late 1990s at the earliest, when the post-release period of the original films had been so long past that the now adult fanbase still obsessed with the franchise had to find a good excuse to to justify their love for kid's movies to fart-sniffing academic snobs instead of telling those elitists to go frick themselves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Esb is the best cause it's the best

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if that is true, it doesn't mean RotJ is bad.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think it's the third best personally
          V > III > VI > IV > II > I

          IV is probably overall the better movie but the ending of Rotj is so perfect it puts it over the top for me. Perfect ending

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Esb is the best cause it's the best

      The original was the best and everybody who disagrees is low IQ

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All 6 SW movies are good.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I respect those that rank IV number one. Even if it's not my personal pick

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with a female jedi movie, I have a huge Joan of Arc fetish and was really into Rey for this reason when I saw the first trailer. The problem is just that the movies were gay and shitty, nothing to do with having sweaty Jedi girls in them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still say they shoulda made rei a twilek

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The women crowbarred into the new offerings were designed to appeal to women... but they don't.
      They don't appeal to men because they're not attractive in any way and are their character traits are unappealing to men.
      Maybe they were designed to be appealing to lesbians, but not being an abnormal like a lesbian I cannot say for sure.
      Most normal women want to be attractive to men and want to see themselves as the 'appealling-to-men female character' that the hero is attracted to because they want a hero character, as a mate, a husband or a father to their offspring, like any animal. Men want to know how a hero acts so they get the women who want a hero.
      Good movies appeal to everyone who is normal.
      There are too few abnormals in any society to form a viable audience that will sustain a business so it is a bad idea to even try making product for such a vocal minority of nobodies.
      >vocal fans
      I smell projection when they bring out this nonsense as an argument.
      Fans aren't making the loudest noises... the abnormals are.... then don't show up to see what they encouraged studios to make.
      >
      Chapter11 can't come quickly enough for these morons who listen to the vanishingly-tiny numbers of vocal abnormals.
      >tldr
      TOMORROW... THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THEIR FOLLY OF PANDERING TO ABNORMALS INSTEAD OF FANS!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Maybe they were designed to be appealing to lesbians
        It worked. Imagine stinky sweaty Rey gets on jakku.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All six of the Star Wars films are gold, Lucas is a genius, there’s no debating this. I’m closing this thread now.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't hate it. I just like the OT films much more. Who doesn't like Duel of the Fates? It was also interesting to see Palpatine without spooky makeup on because I wasn't familiar with anything else he had done.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does Phantom Menace makes OT fans seethe so much?
    because it ruined star wars, you stupid zoomer

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this smol boy?
    >I'M A PERSON AND MY NAME IS ANAKIN
    >check out his midichlorians tho!
    >NOW THAT'S POD RACING! WAHOO!
    >who bro! there's a sith apprentice! might be a conspiracy!
    >let's give dictarorial powers to this guy we're suspicious of! Great idea!
    >good thing this giant army showed up at the same time there's a conspiracy promoting a galatic war!
    >THE JEDI DON'T RESPECT MY POWER LEVEL!
    >I LOVE PADME SO FRICKING MUCH...AS MUCH AS I HATE FRICKING SAND!
    >let's send Anakin to tail the guy we're suspicious of and gave all that power to, even though we sense something off about Anakin and won't let him on the council
    >HE A SITH LORD!
    >padme...will die
    >I BETTER TRUST YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU STARTED THE GALACTIC WAR TO GAIN POWER! BYE BYE "1000 GENERATIONS" OF GOVERNMENT!
    >[murders children]
    >Anakin, I'm your FREN!
    >sperg sperg MUH POWA LEVEL! sperg sperg
    >Anakin...you're breaking my heart!
    >zeeeer ZERRRRRRR zeeeeer [twirling lightsabers]
    >AHHHH! MY ARM! MY LEGS! HATE! HAAAAAAAATEEEEEEE!
    >we can't find anything wrong with her...it appears she died of a...broken heart
    >AND PADME?
    >she told you that you were breaking her heart, bro
    >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Simple really, he really fricked up the implied timeline, the love stort aspect of it was just really poorly written and conceived and the whole thing was terribly rushed. There was some good stuff in there just not enougb to carry the whole trilogy.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1. Democratically elected monarch.
    This was solely done because Lucas wanted Leia to be a real princess and was reaching for surface level themes about democracy. It's moronic.
    >2. She's a teenager.
    This was only done because Lucas had to restrict the age gap between Padme and Anakin. It's moronic.
    >3. Elected leader of an entire planet but no one recognizes her.
    Lucas did this because his audience is stupid and won't notice it. He wanted a cliched plot twist that depends on the fact the audience are morons.
    >inb4: elected monarchs existed
    They weren't children.
    >inb4: there were child rulers
    They weren't elected and had regents.
    >inb4: she had a body double
    She was supposedly elected head of an entire planet.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen episode 3 of the acolyte of Darth Harvey the weinstein.
    SW is dead to me now.
    BYE.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what happens? gay incest?

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bad acting
    Wooden dialogue
    Cringe kid and comic relief characters
    And terrible editing. Its probably the most terribly edited Star Wars movie.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if i ever catch a prequelgay out in public, they are getting their skull cracked
    sorry, it just needs to happen

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because it was terrible and he had zero NO MEN to tardwrangle him.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GenX geeks did not want to see something new they wanted a remake of the OT like the Disney dogshit so they could feel like kids again. they saw kids liking episode 1 playing podracing on N64 or playing with light saber toys drove them over the edge into insanity. they will never forgive Lucas for not giving them one last chance to be a kid again. its sad if you think about it

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Padmé call for a vote of no confidence on Chancellor Valorum?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because she had no confidence in him. The real question is why she repealed all the age of consent laws on Naboo.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >she had no confidence in him
        Why not? He had done nothing but help her. She even says so, right beforehand.
        >why she repealed all the age of consent laws on Naboo
        Because the Europ- I mean Nabooians lead the world in sexual exploration, and it's about time Coruscant caught up.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He was a well meaning but ineffectual buffoon, like many of the moronic homosexuals that post here. He may have been trying earnestly to help her, but her planet was being occupied by a droid army while he stood there like a dingus.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What else was he supposed to do, realistically? The only other option would be to install a tyrant, which is exactly what she does, and then complains about it a decade later but takes no responsibility. Unrelated to the film script, but lore-wise it's established that Valorum inherited a corrupt, failing establishment, but nobody denied his intentions and attempts at restoring order.
            At the end of the day Naboo has no reason to even be a part of the Republic. They contribute nothing (that I'm aware of, except dicky maybe) and ask for everything. They can't defend themselves, or support their purported allies in any meaningful fashion. They're a lazy, borderline destitute, stagnate Paradise.
            By what right do these morons even have a say in a democracy?
            That's what I would have said if I was one of those trade federation asians.
            >Immediately forgoes any attempt at garnering aid from the Republic and instead attempts to regain control by recruiting an army of mentally disabled fish monsters under false pretenses who subsequently get blasted in the ass by the thousands in a pointless battle that didn't even need to take place
            Uh, aren't Padmé and the Jedi supposed to be the heroes?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He was a well meaning but ineffectual buffoon
            That's head canon, moron. Lucas doesn't explain what happens by laying out what Valorum was doing. Instead, it's hinted that there's diplomatic red tape, without explaining exactly what constitutes such, because Lucas expects the audience to just go along with the idea there's a war and Padme is mad.

            The prequels are moronic.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Or you just didn't get it.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoyed it but OT is still king.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like both.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      me too. The way I look at them is this
      >the OT is a character-driven fantasy adventure story
      >the PT is more like a History Channel Dramatization of a war. Its not quite a documentary but there's not really a main character but more like key figures and the pacing/structure is really weird (especially in part 2 and 3) cause things have to fit together to set up for the OT so its less like an exciting "Is Clint Eastwood gonna shoot this guy?" and more like "Ah, here's George Washington crossing the Delaware!" if that makes sense.
      Like

      The OT doesn't do great world building, it is goodies vs baddies with pulpy adventure stuff and a bunch of influences. People had decades speculating about things in the setting and then the prequels is like the set up to the whole thing and it gets bogged down in the demystification of everything. Jedi are not romanticised warrior monks of the Republic, they are bureaucratic-like stooges of the status quo who measure power levels with midichlorians. Jar Jar is too goofy in a tone that goes too far. There doesn't feel like any stakes. The CGI is too much. It stops being a human story.

      said, it stops being a human story.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it stops being a human story.
        The movies are about Anakin and his fall.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And Obi-Wan
          And Yoda
          And qui gon gin
          And the trade federation
          And don't forget padme
          And also the clones
          And also the clone wars
          And also the father of all the clones
          And also the robots
          And also the robot wars
          And also the general of all the robots
          And also the emperor
          And his apprentice Darth maul
          And the politics of the senate
          And the the politics of trade
          And also a plot to kill padme
          And pod racing
          And the slave owner of a pod racer
          And the mother of a pod racer
          And the genocide of tusken raiders
          And the planet of bug people
          And gladiator battles on the bug people planet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and your other gun

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >George Washington crossing the Deleware
        it's worse than that though. it's more like
        >here's GW crossing the Deleware...but he was in a raft, by himself, the whole time!
        >a raft? that doesn't make sense, how the frick could he cross in a raft?
        >stop questioning things!

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anakin did i ever tell you that in your past life you was a Black Woman? and that Yoda met her? she was a Good Friend

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the prequels were better than the original trilogy.

    i dont care if you dont agree, it's simply true.

    episode 3 was one of the best movies ever made, especially if you watch it with the japanese dub

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's simply true.
      Could you please give one or two aspects of the prequels that are superior to the OT? With specific scenes exhibiting these aspects.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lightsaber battles:
        Qui Gon & Obi Wan vs Maul, Yoda vs Count Doku, the mass Jedi battle, Yoda vs Palpatine
        Force powers:
        Force jumps and pushes, showing force lightning being able to be reflected with a lightsaber, high level masters being able to move large things, Yoda showing experience having fought sith before by being able to absorb force lightning, Jedi mind trick showing limitations, Anakin being so strong with the force he could predict a jump off a car down 40-50 ft to land on his target

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a waste of a movie, throws off the timeline, fails to explain itself in the context of its own universe, and is Lucas jerking off instead of being a storyteller.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because those were shit movies. What's there to understand?

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So, the prequel are bad because George Lucas didn't make the movies you guys wanted.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's literally PT hate in a nutshell

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So, movies are bad because people don't like them
      Yes, that is how it works.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    watch the RLM reviews

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Real Star Wars fans like the prequels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >real star was fans like the Rey Saga

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cause its kino

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because its a bad movie, the ruins the original lore and has a cartoon Jamaican duck, a gay ass kid.

    That said, its probably the best of the shitquels, and I liked how different the art design was from the OT.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it destroyed their power fantasies of being a Jedi Knight with no moral compass or sense of celibacy who does whatever he wants (have sex with aliens) with no repercussions in the Force

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The jedi can frick, they just can't love

  51. 3 weeks ago
    OT enjoyer

    I don't think about you at all.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They wanted the same exact film as new hope with a fresh coat of paint. thats why most OT tards like plinkett loved force awakens

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's truly bizarre watching you genuinely having a mental breakdown over this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what in the frick are you on about

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You having a mental breakdown over bad Star Wars movies being made fun of. Did you miss your own post? Here it is so you can feel embarrassed by it again:

          They wanted the same exact film as new hope with a fresh coat of paint. thats why most OT tards like plinkett loved force awakens

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How is one post a mental breakdown?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because there's so much packed into it. I mean, look at it:

              >They wanted the same exact film as new hope with a fresh coat of paint. thats why most OT tards like plinkett loved force awakens

              That deep fixation with ecelebrities and the expression of hurt over bad films being mocked. Don't bother acting coy, Cinemaphile is 20 years old.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You sound like a moron so I'm going to stop engaging with you now

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't really care, it's just bizarre to see the continuing, living nightmare that is the mental breakdown of obsessed prequel children. Two threads on this up at the same time.

                >a bad movie is made
                >no one likes it
                >years later, an internet comedy team articulates a laundry list of its problems with a novel and humorous approach
                >15 years later people who liked the bad movies when they were babies (because they were babies) are having a psychotic break about it

                You have to admit it's just utterly bizarre.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick you, RLM rat!!!!

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You had to be 15+ in 1999 to fully get it. Zoomers don’t understand how disappointing the prequels were at the time.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Prequels used to make me seethe but not enough to tell anyone. Being a Star Wars fan is embarassing. Ever since Disney took over though, it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s all shit now, including OT.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the sad truth
      i used to love star wars, it was part of my daily intake. now i can't stomach the thought of it without the last 12 years getting in the way.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >good movies come out
    >wow these are good
    >years pass
    >bad movies come out
    >wow these are bad
    >SEETHE SEETHE YOU'RE SEETHING

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