its like if they decided to colorize black and white movies, its fucking dumb just present it as it was intended to be seen. you don't even need to do hd half the time.
b&w movies were made like that because it was their only option, not because "it was intended to be seen" in b&w, like modern b&w movies, so this is a bad take
and because it was the only way to do it it was intended that way.
If you want the same movies in color you have to shoot them again.
Recolored looks like shit
But because they were forced to use black and white, that influenced the way they shot certain things. So changing it would ruin the original idea behind a shot in some cases.
because the empty space left on their TVs scares zoomers
This but unironically.
My zoomer coworker says he loves The Matrix trilogy and that they're his favorite movies. He's only watched them with AI upscaling & interpolation and refuses to watch the originals because of how much worse it is.
What AI upscaling? They're all available in 4K scanned from the original negatives. I've never heard of anyone using AI to upscale something that was shot on 35mm film.
He used AI to interpolate new frames to bump up the FPS rate
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tbh I'm impressed he knows how to do that. at least back in 2014 when I tested it, it took avisynth knowledge etc. but I guess it's easy enough for morons to do now.
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>but I guess it's easy enough for morons to do now.
Definitely this part.
They're able to do more because of the advancement of technology, but competence-wise zoomers are not even on the level of a mid 2000s script kiddie.
>it's actually the fault of millenials
Millennials had no buying power in the 20th century. >before HD (4:3 the norm for home viewing)
"Pan and scan" format butchering film because "black bars" on top and bottom = SCARY! >after HD (16:9 the norm for home viewing)
"Letterboxing" format butchering film and television because "black bars" on left and right = SCARY!
No it doesn't, it scares companies that shill huge OLED TVs. There are people that just watch Friends and Seinfeld on-loop and don't need a 4K OLED TV unlike kino and sports chads. Having shows still in 4:3, the jig is up.
Seems to scare boomers too. My dad can't stand black bars on the screen and will just zoom the picture in because he believes the picture should always fill.
This is not a zoomer thing at all, my boomer dad fucking hates black bars on his screen with a passion because he "paid to use the full screen", and autistically zooms in to make sure the entire thing is showing something
They literally do you retard, boomers are technologically inept
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Boomers don't understand any of that. They don't know about different cameras and aspect ratios used, they just think the picture should fill the tv screen.
Do you think 99% of boomers know what aspect ratio means? Do you think they even pondered that concept when they watched TV before the great switch to 16:9?
Every boomer I know watches their old tv shows in 4:3 and aren't bothered by it all all. You are literally making this all up in your head just to get angry at old people.
They don't even notice the black bars if you put something like that on, unlike zoomers who freak out over them for some reason every time.
Seems like you're intentionally skewing the definition of boomer. Actual boomers are tech illiterate, gen x and millenials literally switched over their entire media library's from 4:3 to widescreen content so they would know what the fuck they're looking at. The only people left who would be confused looking at that old shit is zoomers.
But this wasn't done for fear of people thinking their tv is broken, it's done because the general consensus of the people who pay for streaming is that they want their screens filled, even if it means you can see the fucking set. People of all generations pay for streaming and we have no actual way of discerning generations by percentages, but anybody paying for all these streaming services is retarded in the first place.
>the general consensus of the people who pay for streaming is that they want their screens filled
This is the most asinine demand I've ever heard postulated.
Yeah, everybody did when it was new. But it's retarded to think the people who lived the change wouldnt recognize a 4:3 picture.
Boomers don't understand any of that. They don't know about different cameras and aspect ratios used, they just think the picture should fill the tv screen.
Do you think 99% of boomers know what aspect ratio means? Do you think they even pondered that concept when they watched TV before the great switch to 16:9?
The worst example is Seinfeld on Netlfix. They paid out the ass for the rights to it and came up with this horrible, AI-upscaled "4K remaster" that looks twice as bad as it already does, because the screen is cropped and zoomed in for widescreen
The worst example is Seinfeld on Netlfix. They paid out the ass for the rights to it and came up with this horrible, AI-upscaled "4K remaster" that looks twice as bad as it already does, because the screen is cropped and zoomed in for widescreen
I think Seinfeld was shot on video because “It’s not like people will still be watching this in 30 years”. It’s very difficult to remaster something not natively made on film.
It’s not an excuse even if true. It’s not on a consumer VHS or anything so you wouldn’t be cropping out large distortions at the edges of the frame or getting rid of that rainbow hue that can overlay the image at times
>windows of the hallway of an apartment complex are okay >frameless, paneless windows >like the handy dandy hardhat fat toolman just cut a hole in the wall and called it a day
Europoor building codes and labor standards, everyone
of the hallway of an apartment complex are okay
I actually know someone that lives in a converted factory and they designed it so people had mini houses in the factory so you had windows to a hallway essentially. It sounds retarded but they did a really good job giving you the illusion that you live "outside" in a faux Midwestern neighborhood when in reality it was a city
Did they like paint the hallways with skies and clouds lol? I don't know exactly but I assume that's against building code in most places or you'd see it more often. Interesting either way.
What pisses me off about thing like this is that an amateur editor with enough free time could fix it super easily. The same goes for stuff like the terrible sound in the director's cut of Alien 3.
But the people in charge are lazy and will suffer zero consequences for doing a half-assed job.
It literally doesn’t though. So I occasionally see a second of an extra unintended thing vs looking at a distractingly bad set of bars the entire time. Who fucking cares?
these guys are morons, both the person I'm replying to and the twitter screenshot. the 4:3 versions only exist in SD. the reason all this extra crap is in the frame is they went to the source for the HD copies and didn't feel like doing any work in the first place to frame it properly.
yep
the source has more image on the sides and on top and bottom than the original 4:3 releases
when they re-scan the film for remasters, they have to crop it again, even if it's for another 4:3 release
If you compare proper 4:3 releases, you'll still notice minor differences between DVD and blu-ray because the cropping isn't 100% the same.
X-Files at least did this well, as it was already filmed 16:9 safe, except some establishing stock footage shots that look absolutely horrible (and did stand out even in original SD presentation)
its because TVs and Computer Monitors were forced to have the same LED/LCD production lines
and then the TV makers added features for plebs like interpolation and Fill Screen for older content that is low fps or 4:3, 5:4 or 2.35/1.85
but no you let the normies roll with it and not berate and laugh at them, bullying them to avoid this issue like ignoring all homosexualry or other shit, 'just ignore it' 'let people enjoy their shit' people said
>he paypigs for "streaming service" and gets an inferior product
Not my problem.
Besides, SD 480p being the definitive edition for classic TV means I can pirate and archive more shows than I'll ever need. The israelites will never be able to tempt me into giving them money when they keep doubling down on their stupid decisions.
The biggest issue with shows shot for 4:3 televisions being reframed to 16:9 isn’t the occasional cutting off of plot-related imagery, but that it makes the blocking too claustrophobic and feels zoomed in.
The audience was not meant to view the action this close. It’s a fundamentally different feeling and experience.
No, look at the added information on the left and right. >This is a good example of how Seinfeld looked when it was rescanned from the camera negatives to HD and then tilt & scanned for 16x9
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/why-do-they-simply-crop-4-3-tv-shows-to-make-them-16-9.469406/page-2
are you fucking blind or something?
top >"ACTION" is entirely visible >floor is visible
bottom >"ACTION" almost completely cut off >floor isn't visible
No, look at the added information on the left and right. >This is a good example of how Seinfeld looked when it was rescanned from the camera negatives to HD and then tilt & scanned for 16x9
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/why-do-they-simply-crop-4-3-tv-shows-to-make-them-16-9.469406/page-2
You a moron or something?
these anons are correct, added info on the left and right, cropped the top and bottom
if it was reversed people would be mad about a "blue filter"
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yeah, but it's a show about vampires so night is pretty important. they're all running around in daylight that should kill them in the remaster.
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You think people would be mad that a night scene is dark instead of bright?
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Kek, go into any thread that is complaining about the modern blue filters being added and you will see exactly that. There were several night scenes that looked like right and were blue filtered into left or darker
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Post some examples.
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Yeah but you could say the original looked that way and that’s as valid as any “correction” could ever be even if totally acceptable and a real improvement
>The audience was not meant to view the action this close. It’s a fundamentally different feeling and experience.
This reads like Seinfield doing stand up
What’s the deal with people and these black bars? Is our attention span SO short now that we’re being distracted by unmoving black bars at the sides of a video? You got these people who LOVE their flashing color-changing LED lights projecting behind their TVs to set the “mood”, but you put a couple of black bars beside the show and they say no, that is just too distracting.
Something like a modern day intertitle, but with the show playing in the middle?
>2023 >tvs don't come standard with drapes that automatically resize to fit the content's intended aspect ratio
I know flying cars were a big expectation, but jesus
>2023 >tvs don't come standard with drapes that automatically resize to fit the content's intended aspect ratio
I know flying cars were a big expectation, but jesus
This is not a zoomer thing at all, my boomer dad fucking hates black bars on his screen with a passion because he "paid to use the full screen", and autistically zooms in to make sure the entire thing is showing something
What about this?
Forgive the crudeness. But it could be much more intricate and well designed, perhaps vertical logos up and down?
>2000something >uncle bought widescreen tv >some broadcasts were still in 4:3 >stretched the image to get his "money's worth" >he laughed at the weatherman for being fat
that made me kek
>durrr I don't care if everything top, bottom, left, right is cut off and the picture is zoomed in on some random tables and chairs, as long as the colors look the same as they did forty years ago, then I'm one happy inbred sub-90 iq moron!
I disagree. Colorist is a far less important job that cinematographer when composing the image. Color IS a huge aspect, as it influences the tone and mood of the scene, but the actors and directors set the blocking and framing with the camera in mind primarily. Color and cinematography, of course, are both highly mathematical and specialized for a reason, but the alteration of framing merely to fit modern television standards is appalling. You can adjust picture settings to “fix” the color, but there’s no bringing back cropped out information.
DNR and most upscaling is shit too. Give me an accurate representation of the imagine on the film negative and I’ll clean it up myself if it needs anything done to it
I noticed The Simpsons on Disney+ has DNR and upscaling. I think it looks awful, but I didn't see anyone complaining about it, in fact people loved it. I wish they could've rescanned the original prints, but I guess no one has it.
nooooooooooooooooo
not my hecking tv shows
how will I be brainwashed if I keep getting distracted by the realization that its all fake
the indoctrination will not work if I'm not immersed!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
DNR and most upscaling is shit too. Give me an accurate representation of the imagine on the film negative and I’ll clean it up myself if it needs anything done to it
Yeah which is why I prefer to do it in software with something basic enough it can be done on the fly. Whatever the hq vo profile is called in mpv is good enough for me. I used to go all out with madvr but it’s quite literally been a decade since I moved to Linux and macOS full time and decided to let the weebs at mpv (I guess libplacebo now?) do the video playback post processing autist stuff for me. I just care about the source and encode. I don’t think 10-bit color spaces and HDR ever made it mainstream enough that the highest quality encodes still have your standard x264 encoded h264 video stream so not much to do besides get the most-seeded p2p group release on my preferred torrent trackers
I swear there’s at least one HD release in 4:3, or at least an HD transfer that existed before streaming. I remember it on TBS or something in like 2010
Just wondering cause people keep calling this the netflix version but I just can't remember the last time I saw black bars, or watched on a tv for the matter.
I swear there’s at least one HD release in 4:3, or at least an HD transfer that existed before streaming. I remember it on TBS or something in like 2010
>sloppy reframe
Nonsense. I view this a feature, not a bug. An apartment of that size below 110th street that was affordable to a group of 20 somethings would come with glaring imperfections like that. My first apartment out of school was a railroad style, mouse infested shithole on 109th. It was basically a small hallway with doors to closets that were used as bedrooms. It had an efficency style kitchenette that I'm pretty sure came out of an RV, and the shower could only hold one person. Yes, I understand that showers generally only have one person at a time, but in this place that was not a suggestion. Like, if New York fell to some kind of hostile foreign power and I was forced to hide first graders in my shower to protect them from authoritarian overlords, I would only be able to save on and a half first graders. Not exaggerating. And we had to dig up 20k between the three of us to move in.
Second place I lived was on 40th street on the West Side over by the Javitz center. My room had no windows and I think had I remained there for more than a year I would have died. Our apartment was over an auto mechanic shop and there's no way in hell it was up to code. Noxious fumes all day and night and no ventilation in my bedroom. It was also converted office space, so we had weird windows in the front you could break through easily, but no one ever did. It least as long as I lived there.
My point is that if a broker showed me Joey's place and it had a giant hole in the wall, I would have signed that fucking day and thrown a tarp over it.
It's great if you are rich or in your early 20s and are used to shitty living conditions. The city itself is just a really exciting place to live. I'm in my 30s now and so I'm over it, but when I was 22 I couldn't imagine wanting to live anywhere else.
People praise Kai because it fixed certain things like Vegeta's red hair in his first appearance. But they ignore that they made it brown in some episodes. Kai fixed some things, but they also added new mistakes.
> Watch old TV show on streaming service > format is all fucked up (usually 4:3 zoomed in to 16:9) > Watch the same show on broadcast television > Format is fucked and as a side bonus the show is sped up 8-12% to make time for more commercials
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z6i1VVikRu0
You can't fucking win. And these retards in show business wonder what drives so many people to piracy.
its like if they decided to colorize black and white movies, its fucking dumb just present it as it was intended to be seen. you don't even need to do hd half the time.
Lots of black and white movies have been colorized and lots of people prefer the colorized versions over the originals.
Zoomers aren't people.
Colorization of film was a retarded boomer thing, zoomers just don't watch the movies at all.
b&w movies were made like that because it was their only option, not because "it was intended to be seen" in b&w, like modern b&w movies, so this is a bad take
Sound ruined motion pictures more than color
wardrobe and lighting conditions were done with black and white in mind. a classic example is the Addams Family livingroom.
iirc casablanca also used a lot of pink because it photographs better than white
Because it was made in b&w on purpose, mostly colorized b&w films are from an early era
and because it was the only way to do it it was intended that way.
If you want the same movies in color you have to shoot them again.
Recolored looks like shit
But because they were forced to use black and white, that influenced the way they shot certain things. So changing it would ruin the original idea behind a shot in some cases.
yeah I want to see all the silent films with AI cjatgpt™®© text to speech at 1.5x colourised with fake 3d added by AI woooo can't hang about havetozip out o fthid thread.!!!!!!!!!!!!
These movies fucking suck grandpa, nobody cares if we scribble over your cave paintings
This but unironically.
My zoomer coworker says he loves The Matrix trilogy and that they're his favorite movies. He's only watched them with AI upscaling & interpolation and refuses to watch the originals because of how much worse it is.
What AI upscaling? They're all available in 4K scanned from the original negatives. I've never heard of anyone using AI to upscale something that was shot on 35mm film.
He used AI to interpolate new frames to bump up the FPS rate
tbh I'm impressed he knows how to do that. at least back in 2014 when I tested it, it took avisynth knowledge etc. but I guess it's easy enough for morons to do now.
>but I guess it's easy enough for morons to do now.
Definitely this part.
They're able to do more because of the advancement of technology, but competence-wise zoomers are not even on the level of a mid 2000s script kiddie.
AI upscaling looks like shit. You should yell at the coworker for being retarded
Schizo
because the empty space left on their TVs scares zoomers
they'd have gotten used to it by now. old shit would just look different like it always has.
it's actually the fault of millenials
Millenials didn't have "widescreen" until they were teenagers
>it's actually the fault of millenials
Millennials had no buying power in the 20th century.
>before HD (4:3 the norm for home viewing)
"Pan and scan" format butchering film because "black bars" on top and bottom = SCARY!
>after HD (16:9 the norm for home viewing)
"Letterboxing" format butchering film and television because "black bars" on left and right = SCARY!
we watched stuff on 4:3 our entire childhood retard
No. It's unironically israelites fault.
It's actually an old boomer thing to complain about black bars.
No it doesn't, it scares companies that shill huge OLED TVs. There are people that just watch Friends and Seinfeld on-loop and don't need a 4K OLED TV unlike kino and sports chads. Having shows still in 4:3, the jig is up.
Pretty much every tv is 4k now anyway and you can't even find a non smart tv. If you can find me a 60 inch dumb tv,I will buy it right now.
Zoomers see 4:3 and think their TV is broken. Most technologically illiterate generation by far.
Pretty sure Generation X is to blame.
Seems to scare boomers too. My dad can't stand black bars on the screen and will just zoom the picture in because he believes the picture should always fill.
I'm a millennial and growing up it was pretty common for this to happen with DVDs
Boomers and Gen X loved their fake widescreen
This is not a zoomer thing at all, my boomer dad fucking hates black bars on his screen with a passion because he "paid to use the full screen", and autistically zooms in to make sure the entire thing is showing something
Boomers are fucking idiots. They're fortunate that they got everything easily and for free.
Liminal screens?
It scares boomers and gen x, I remember when we first got a flat screen TV in the early 2000s my dad was trying to get rid of the black bars
It's because retarded boomers will think
>why is the picture cut in half? is something wrong with my TV?
Yes, the people who grew up with 4:3 aspect ration will be utterly confused by it. Fucking idiot.
people did complain when the switch to widescreen tvs happened.
Yeah, everybody did when it was new. But it's retarded to think the people who lived the change wouldnt recognize a 4:3 picture.
agreed.
yes, it's always older people complaining about the black bars.
Every boomer I know watches their old tv shows in 4:3 and aren't bothered by it all all. You are literally making this all up in your head just to get angry at old people.
They don't even notice the black bars if you put something like that on, unlike zoomers who freak out over them for some reason every time.
My parents literally brought me over to "fix" their TV because they couldn't get rid of the black bars on the sides of their Columbo DVDs.
They literally do you retard, boomers are technologically inept
Seems like you're intentionally skewing the definition of boomer. Actual boomers are tech illiterate, gen x and millenials literally switched over their entire media library's from 4:3 to widescreen content so they would know what the fuck they're looking at. The only people left who would be confused looking at that old shit is zoomers.
But this wasn't done for fear of people thinking their tv is broken, it's done because the general consensus of the people who pay for streaming is that they want their screens filled, even if it means you can see the fucking set. People of all generations pay for streaming and we have no actual way of discerning generations by percentages, but anybody paying for all these streaming services is retarded in the first place.
>the general consensus of the people who pay for streaming is that they want their screens filled
This is the most asinine demand I've ever heard postulated.
Boomers don't understand any of that. They don't know about different cameras and aspect ratios used, they just think the picture should fill the tv screen.
Do you think 99% of boomers know what aspect ratio means? Do you think they even pondered that concept when they watched TV before the great switch to 16:9?
The people will be confused why they spend $1000 on a tv and half of it is empty blackness
they were remodeling the hall
The worst example is Seinfeld on Netlfix. They paid out the ass for the rights to it and came up with this horrible, AI-upscaled "4K remaster" that looks twice as bad as it already does, because the screen is cropped and zoomed in for widescreen
There are visual gags in seinfeld and the simpsons etc that are lost on streaming services because they've literally been cropped out.
It's insane.
At least disney added the option to watch The Simpsons in the correct format. Netlfix hasn't done that for Seinfeld, as far as I'm aware
HBO Max doesn’t for Friends or The Sopranos either.
Why is there a serving hatch in the kitchen?
I think it's for if they want to take shots at the door of the other apartment, I think I remember them being from that POV or nearabouts
hallway conversations
It's how you serve Hot Meals
>he doesn't remember the episode where monica was trying to find out where the wire from the switch went
Joey and Chandler were drug dealers. That's how they did their trades and how they can afford to live in NY
At least they use the negatives and don't just zoom in to make it 16:9 like with Seinfeld
I think Seinfeld was shot on video because “It’s not like people will still be watching this in 30 years”. It’s very difficult to remaster something not natively made on film.
Video doesn't necessarily mean 240p though. There's lots of professional video formats.
Seinfeld was shot on 35mm tho
I love that there are people who can't tell the fucking difference between video and 35mm film.
??
It was shot on film idiot, videotape is shows like full house and married with children
then how can they put clips on youtube?
It’s not an excuse even if true. It’s not on a consumer VHS or anything so you wouldn’t be cropping out large distortions at the edges of the frame or getting rid of that rainbow hue that can overlay the image at times
are you retarded you retard? they shot Seinfeld on film
You now remember movies on DVD used to come in widescreen and fullscreen options
The option existed on LD too, but there wasn't the plethora of it DVD had. First was Lawrence of Arabia iirc
Can someone explain what the fucking problem is in this image? What, the apartment is messy with extra props or something? I see nothing wrong.
There's a hole in the wall.
How else are you going to wave to your neighbors in an apartment?
Hole in the wall on the right.
That's a fucking window you dumb american.
>windows of the hallway of an apartment complex are okay
>frameless, paneless windows
>like the handy dandy hardhat fat toolman just cut a hole in the wall and called it a day
Europoor building codes and labor standards, everyone
of the hallway of an apartment complex are okay
I actually know someone that lives in a converted factory and they designed it so people had mini houses in the factory so you had windows to a hallway essentially. It sounds retarded but they did a really good job giving you the illusion that you live "outside" in a faux Midwestern neighborhood when in reality it was a city
Did they like paint the hallways with skies and clouds lol? I don't know exactly but I assume that's against building code in most places or you'd see it more often. Interesting either way.
Was your friend Caden Cotard?
Wait non Americans just have holes with no glass or framing going out to apartment hallways and call them windows?
Trolling is like shooting fish in a barrel now. Damn newfags.
Ironically, trolling involves fish
The window. It's not supposed to appear in any shots.
i just looked on hbomax and it's true lmao
what a blunder
I hope someone got fired for that
Are they implying a random hole in the wall is unusual for a New York apartment?
What pisses me off about thing like this is that an amateur editor with enough free time could fix it super easily. The same goes for stuff like the terrible sound in the director's cut of Alien 3.
But the people in charge are lazy and will suffer zero consequences for doing a half-assed job.
This is why people are being forced to torrent old DVD rips of Seinfeld and Friends.
>ITS MORE WORK FOR US THINK OF THE MORALITY THE POOR EDITORS WORKING!!!
Why the FUCK should I care? Tvs are different now, fix your goddamn content. Literally NOT our problem.
he's saying that it looks WORSE despite being more work you idiot.
It literally doesn’t though. So I occasionally see a second of an extra unintended thing vs looking at a distractingly bad set of bars the entire time. Who fucking cares?
>distractingly bad set of bars
Do you think the same for 2.35 bars at the top and bottom of your 16:9 screen?
No one born after 2001 should be allowed to post on this site.
>fix
It's not broken, you are.
these guys are morons, both the person I'm replying to and the twitter screenshot. the 4:3 versions only exist in SD. the reason all this extra crap is in the frame is they went to the source for the HD copies and didn't feel like doing any work in the first place to frame it properly.
yep
the source has more image on the sides and on top and bottom than the original 4:3 releases
when they re-scan the film for remasters, they have to crop it again, even if it's for another 4:3 release
If you compare proper 4:3 releases, you'll still notice minor differences between DVD and blu-ray because the cropping isn't 100% the same.
>more work
that means more pay
they probably lobbied for this
zoom zoom
>fix your goddamn content
Literally not possible
4:3 is god's own aspect ratio, I use a 20 year old 4:3 LCD at work because it is just so comforting to use
X-Files at least did this well, as it was already filmed 16:9 safe, except some establishing stock footage shots that look absolutely horrible (and did stand out even in original SD presentation)
X-Files has aged incredibly well in just about every way.
Why are people so afraid of 4:3?
Because americans get erections if they see two black bars on each side of their tvs for some reason
i called this 15 years ago and no one listened
its because TVs and Computer Monitors were forced to have the same LED/LCD production lines
and then the TV makers added features for plebs like interpolation and Fill Screen for older content that is low fps or 4:3, 5:4 or 2.35/1.85
but no you let the normies roll with it and not berate and laugh at them, bullying them to avoid this issue like ignoring all homosexualry or other shit, 'just ignore it' 'let people enjoy their shit' people said
this is why gatekeeping is valid
The hole in the wall is where he gets his hot meal
>he paypigs for "streaming service" and gets an inferior product
Not my problem.
Besides, SD 480p being the definitive edition for classic TV means I can pirate and archive more shows than I'll ever need. The israelites will never be able to tempt me into giving them money when they keep doubling down on their stupid decisions.
The biggest issue with shows shot for 4:3 televisions being reframed to 16:9 isn’t the occasional cutting off of plot-related imagery, but that it makes the blocking too claustrophobic and feels zoomed in.
The audience was not meant to view the action this close. It’s a fundamentally different feeling and experience.
why don't we use an aspect ratio that stretches both ways. black squares be damned.
what
are you asking why TVs arent perfectly square shaped?
you posted an example where they literally did zoom in. where they cropped the top and bottom.
No, look at the added information on the left and right.
>This is a good example of how Seinfeld looked when it was rescanned from the camera negatives to HD and then tilt & scanned for 16x9
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/why-do-they-simply-crop-4-3-tv-shows-to-make-them-16-9.469406/page-2
are you fucking blind or something?
top
>"ACTION" is entirely visible
>floor is visible
bottom
>"ACTION" almost completely cut off
>floor isn't visible
Anon, please get your eyes checked and work on your humility 🙂
You a moron or something?
nope
these anons are correct, added info on the left and right, cropped the top and bottom
And I thought pan & scan was bad
How do you fuck up this bad
They fucked up the colors too. It's amazing how bad it is.
if it was reversed people would be mad about a "blue filter"
yeah, but it's a show about vampires so night is pretty important. they're all running around in daylight that should kill them in the remaster.
You think people would be mad that a night scene is dark instead of bright?
Kek, go into any thread that is complaining about the modern blue filters being added and you will see exactly that. There were several night scenes that looked like right and were blue filtered into left or darker
Post some examples.
Yeah but you could say the original looked that way and that’s as valid as any “correction” could ever be even if totally acceptable and a real improvement
Is it a matte shot and they lost the plate?
No. They just chose to do a bad job.
I hate it when heads are cut off on the top or almost touching the edge.
>Cutting off Cordelia's tits.
This is a fucking tragedy.
came here just for that, apparently there's loads of shots where you see the crew & equipment
now do 32:9
perfect
i can smell the nose hairs with my 55inch Odyssey Ark 4K UHD 165Hz 1ms Quantum Mini-LED Curved Gaming Screen
pushing it to the limits of technology for future proofing
PERFECT
55" diagonal, 3" vertical for El Win
...Wider.
I can't wait to watch all my old kinos like this on my fancy giga-ultrawide curved 3d tv
>The audience was not meant to view the action this close. It’s a fundamentally different feeling and experience.
This reads like Seinfield doing stand up
What’s the deal with people and these black bars? Is our attention span SO short now that we’re being distracted by unmoving black bars at the sides of a video? You got these people who LOVE their flashing color-changing LED lights projecting behind their TVs to set the “mood”, but you put a couple of black bars beside the show and they say no, that is just too distracting.
it adds a whole new layer
Malcolm has a few good ones.
Is that Evil Dewey?
>Dewey's busy in Cranston's trailer, go get the Dewey stand-in
that's from the bluray which was long before it was on streaming platforms
TNG remains the king of HD remasters
why didnt they just film in 4:3 in the first place? god i hate boomers
Bait
Of course he makes it sound like we're supposed to watch it this way, that way. Shut up, I'll watch however I want to!
The black parts would be ok if you could put other content in them otherwise they are offputting
Something like a modern day intertitle, but with the show playing in the middle?
Unironically, a genius idea
>2023
>tvs don't come standard with drapes that automatically resize to fit the content's intended aspect ratio
I know flying cars were a big expectation, but jesus
>People wanted flying cars
>This guy wanted curtains to cover parts of his TV
What about this?
Forgive the crudeness. But it could be much more intricate and well designed, perhaps vertical logos up and down?
>2000something
>uncle bought widescreen tv
>some broadcasts were still in 4:3
>stretched the image to get his "money's worth"
>he laughed at the weatherman for being fat
that made me kek
I don't get it?
>I'll be there for israelite
>if you're there for a israelite toooooooo
What the fuck is he talking about? That's not how film works.
I don't really give a fuck about aspect ratio
Only if colorgrading is accurate. Unlike ratio retards will actually defend this one.
>durrr I don't care if everything top, bottom, left, right is cut off and the picture is zoomed in on some random tables and chairs, as long as the colors look the same as they did forty years ago, then I'm one happy inbred sub-90 iq moron!
yup
color matters more than some aspect ratio bullshit.
it's the only thing that matters.
I disagree. Colorist is a far less important job that cinematographer when composing the image. Color IS a huge aspect, as it influences the tone and mood of the scene, but the actors and directors set the blocking and framing with the camera in mind primarily. Color and cinematography, of course, are both highly mathematical and specialized for a reason, but the alteration of framing merely to fit modern television standards is appalling. You can adjust picture settings to “fix” the color, but there’s no bringing back cropped out information.
yikes
I noticed The Simpsons on Disney+ has DNR and upscaling. I think it looks awful, but I didn't see anyone complaining about it, in fact people loved it. I wish they could've rescanned the original prints, but I guess no one has it.
They would’ve dnr’d the grain away still most likely. Looks ugly as hell imo, I’m glad whenever people are vocal about it
just present material in open matte, whatever your film stock is
no one fucking cares about letterboxing
t zoom zoom
>he doesn't have a hallway window
ngmi
4:3 was better
Star Trek TNG did an incredible HD rerelease but kept the 4:3 kinotography.
>i'm freezing to death, better make sure to cover my nipples!
Kek
They died in a perpetual state of horniness, probably was rubbing them for stimulation.
>remake for zoomers
>have to literally zoom in
under rated post
I'm not buying until I see proof of it, to me they all just zoom in the source
yuck!
Blu-ray preserves the theatrical matting, open matte was for the VHS release.
nooooooooooooooooo
not my hecking tv shows
how will I be brainwashed if I keep getting distracted by the realization that its all fake
the indoctrination will not work if I'm not immersed!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
People who grew up with 4:3 complain about the black bars. It’s a people problem in general, not an age group problem
DNR and most upscaling is shit too. Give me an accurate representation of the imagine on the film negative and I’ll clean it up myself if it needs anything done to it
Upscaling can be strange. I've got a little cheapo Sony dvd/bd upscaling player, and the best images on it invariably come from VHS transferred dvd.
Yeah which is why I prefer to do it in software with something basic enough it can be done on the fly. Whatever the hq vo profile is called in mpv is good enough for me. I used to go all out with madvr but it’s quite literally been a decade since I moved to Linux and macOS full time and decided to let the weebs at mpv (I guess libplacebo now?) do the video playback post processing autist stuff for me. I just care about the source and encode. I don’t think 10-bit color spaces and HDR ever made it mainstream enough that the highest quality encodes still have your standard x264 encoded h264 video stream so not much to do besides get the most-seeded p2p group release on my preferred torrent trackers
I wish people didn’t care about black bars and 16:10 displays with a native refresh rate divisible by both 24, 30 and 50 were the norm
Are Seinfeld reruns on tv in 4:3? It's been so long I can't remember.
I'm sure some are. It's not like syndication rebroadcasters give a shit what's going out.
Just wondering cause people keep calling this the netflix version but I just can't remember the last time I saw black bars, or watched on a tv for the matter.
Netflix made a 4k version but kept the bad aspect ratio
I swear there’s at least one HD release in 4:3, or at least an HD transfer that existed before streaming. I remember it on TBS or something in like 2010
Crackle released Seinfeld in 4:3 HD for a little bit years ago. I’m sure there’s a rip somewhere.
The Seinfeld youtube channel is regularly releasing clips in 1080p 4:3 so its out there somewhere
if you dont think this is soul then you are wrong and should leave this board.
Interesting they use the unsuited stuff that might’ve been lost somwtimes
>sloppy reframe
Nonsense. I view this a feature, not a bug. An apartment of that size below 110th street that was affordable to a group of 20 somethings would come with glaring imperfections like that. My first apartment out of school was a railroad style, mouse infested shithole on 109th. It was basically a small hallway with doors to closets that were used as bedrooms. It had an efficency style kitchenette that I'm pretty sure came out of an RV, and the shower could only hold one person. Yes, I understand that showers generally only have one person at a time, but in this place that was not a suggestion. Like, if New York fell to some kind of hostile foreign power and I was forced to hide first graders in my shower to protect them from authoritarian overlords, I would only be able to save on and a half first graders. Not exaggerating. And we had to dig up 20k between the three of us to move in.
Second place I lived was on 40th street on the West Side over by the Javitz center. My room had no windows and I think had I remained there for more than a year I would have died. Our apartment was over an auto mechanic shop and there's no way in hell it was up to code. Noxious fumes all day and night and no ventilation in my bedroom. It was also converted office space, so we had weird windows in the front you could break through easily, but no one ever did. It least as long as I lived there.
My point is that if a broker showed me Joey's place and it had a giant hole in the wall, I would have signed that fucking day and thrown a tarp over it.
New York sounds like the worst place to live in all of America. I really don't get the appeal.
The hustle and bustle pasta isn't too far off from how people think.
It's great if you are rich or in your early 20s and are used to shitty living conditions. The city itself is just a really exciting place to live. I'm in my 30s now and so I'm over it, but when I was 22 I couldn't imagine wanting to live anywhere else.
>if New York fell to some kind of hostile foreign power
>if
>be able to shoot in 16:9
>actually shoot it in 16:9
>use 4:3
just fucking why?
Because when friends was airing 4:3 was the standard broadcast format. Only tiny minority of people had widescreen.
>the majority want this thing
>but let me tell you why that is le bad
When are you naggers going to realize your niche opinions don't matter
>pfft, what, you're not gonna jump off this bridge like everyone else???
Any DBZ-chads?
People on youtube praise the blu-ray quality.
poor dende
People praise Kai because it fixed certain things like Vegeta's red hair in his first appearance. But they ignore that they made it brown in some episodes. Kai fixed some things, but they also added new mistakes.
>fixed
I didnt even watch this shit but they used a terrible DNR and the lines are all soft. Fucking terrrible hackjob. Also soft contrast.
And they will still encode black bars into the video.
I still love that Babylon 5 apparently PREPARED for wide screen, but STILL
fucked it up
Why isn't the spot 6 inches to the right of the center of the frame not a finished part of the set?
That’s the sloppy reframe the tweet is referencing.
That hole is used as a place to put the camera when shooting from that angle.
>half this fucking thread
Trolling is a art.
ok, good point. Why should we give a fuck?
> Watch old TV show on streaming service
> format is all fucked up (usually 4:3 zoomed in to 16:9)
> Watch the same show on broadcast television
> Format is fucked and as a side bonus the show is sped up 8-12% to make time for more commercials
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z6i1VVikRu0
You can't fucking win. And these retards in show business wonder what drives so many people to piracy.