Why does the idea of Raphael Splinterson being the leader fill people with uncontrollable rage?
Why does the idea of Raphael Splinterson being the leader fill people with uncontrollable rage?
Why does the idea of Raphael Splinterson being the leader fill people with uncontrollable rage?
because then what's the point of Leo?
He takes mikey’s role and mikey becomes the prissy homosexual of the family
FPBP
He literally has no other identity than "the leader one." Being a rational levelheaded tard wrangler but not the leader doesn't make you likeable, it makes you the stereotypical "obligatory girl character."
This thread really hits home that Leonardo is the shittiest Turtle
The boy has no personality apart from
>the leader
Which is hilarious because Splinter is the real leader
>this guy has no purpose aside from the role and personality he has
You’re such a smoothbrain
>being the leader is a personality trait
I bet your personality is being wrong
No. Splinter is the MASTER. Leonardo is just the leader out of the group of brothers. Think of it as the group leader of a project and your teacher being the overseer.
EXACT, Leo has no point beyond "the leader" , he almost not a character at all he just a cliche
He should become the calm skilful one especially since he's the katana guy
They can make Leo a humble diligent learner and pragmatist. Even if he has no scientific talent, he can still learn some smart stuff from Donnie so that he can at least handle certain situations when Donnie isn't around. And just like a real samurai in history, he will not only use the sword, but also practiced various weapons, spear, bow and even guns, not a master, but at least a flexible fighters that could be deployed in different kinds of battles.
ralph is hotheaded
leo is the disciplined one
they balance each other, i don't see why they can't both be leaders.
Two leaders leads to conflict.
Hotheaded leader leads to trouble, specifically when squad speciality is STEALTH.
sounds like the perfect formula for adventures.
What does the hothead bring to the leadership role besides ego? All the "Raph wants to be a leader" storylines amount to him thinking he's the strongest, so that makes him the best, and thus deserving of the prestige and respect that he thinks being the leader should give him, which only proves that he's immature, short-sighted, and stupid, which means he's not leader material.
his dominant personality makes him leader material when Leo isn't around. Leo can learn a lot from Ralph and viceversa, sometimes you need the action boy to kick some asses, is why Superman and Batman both well working together.
"Dominant personality" doesn't mean he's leader material.
it literally does
No, it means being forceful and bossy. It doesn't mean you can make good decisions or that people will respect your orders.
"His dominant personality" only serves him as an instrument of subjugation through bullying, but not as a problem solver. He is like a serjeant in army - has some loud voice to force people to walk where needed but knows nothing to plan strategy at all.
In fairness, it’s TMNT. It’s not like Leonardo’s actually good at strategy given he’s only as smart as the writer. It’s like Paw Patrol tier level of tactics
>"His dominant personality" only serves him as an instrument of subjugation through bullying,
lol Ralph isn't mallicious you are missing the point of the character. And yes he is a dumbass, that's what the other team members are for, is why they work as a team.
Its a double opportunity for both Leonardo and Raphael. Raph gets to learn about the responsibilities of leadership and Leo gets to decide whether he actually wants to be a leader now that the mantle isn't falling to him. Its a chance for both of them to learn more about each other and develop a new found respect for the role the other plays in the group.
I hope Mikey and Donnie are older brother in the new series.
IDW TMNT 20/20 does a good job for this. Leo explore his mystic side and spirit world to become stronger, but this also caused him to endure tremendous mental pressure, which eventually crushed him. So he step down and Mikey take his place.
oof fpbp
I always liked Raph the best to, but Leo's role is just that. Raph is hot headed but he takes charge just like Leo, but Leo is literally the boy scout leader who CAN lead when Raph COULD but always prefer to work alone. Leo is boring on his own without the role of the responsible one who leads the team. Even Don being a genius could lead just by making gadgets and pointing out the weak points in combat but he doesn't command respect in the same way so they make Don aloof enough to be unable. Mike is Mike, and he doesn't need help being likeable.
Besides, Raph gets all the girls.
Leo’s Cyclops while Raph is Wolverine.
That implies Raph cucks Leo.
Leo is a cuck
Raph does get the girls but most of the time they eventually dump him because it turns out that being dude with a bad tempter is stressful, tedious, annoying, and off putting. Alopex dumped him, Ninjara dumped him, Mona Lisa in the Nickelodeon series eventually ghosted him as they grew older in that Mad Max episode where he was a loner and single. Raph may get the pusses moist but once the novelty wears off the women realize he's not a long term relationship kind of fellow.
Mona Lisa in the Nick series did NOT ghost him.
She arrived on the planet to help fight an invasion, and was offered a spot in the Mighty Mutanimals, but when the Mutanimals showed up again, she wasn't part of it.
>Mona Lisa in the Nickelodeon series eventually ghosted him as they grew older in that Mad Max episode where he was a loner and single.
She probably died in the intervening century. But then that episode is just a "what if" anyway.
Mikey should try getting love more but his crossover lizard GF died of covid which sucks and the other is a time keeper girl who is never around
>Raph may get the pusses moist but once the novelty wears off the women realize he's not a long term relationship kind of fellow.
Good thing he is/was a teenager, and lives for a probable a few hundred years. He obviously regrets how things went while with Ninjara as he even tries dating someone from the same island of Fox people like a hundred year into the future. man, I have all 72 issues plus a bunch of specials of the Archie run. That relationship drama near the end hit kinda hard.
This
Leo kind of lacks a role if he's not the leader.
Sure, you could play him as the exact same personality but helping raph being the leader with ideas or opinions but at that point it raises to question "if leo is still doing all the leading, why is raph leader"
Bam, make Leo a girl.
Leo is the "Ryu" of the Team. He puts honor among everything, is the best combat tactician of the turtles, always see training as an improvement, follow splinters laws as a good kid and thinks everytime something goes wrong is his fault. Personalities don't all have to be loud and obvious and off the cuff... A lot of people just don't 'get' him because a lot of it is more subtle and deeper and harder to describe on paper.
Maybe you could give Leo a personality?
Ha! The only story development Leo gets is to make him suffer more, just like that loser Cyclops.
Having Leo stay the leader is like having Omi lead the Xiaolin Warriors for the entirety of their employment when everyone now knows Raymundo was always destined for the role. It’s called tasteful subversion
No
Wasn't he the one who betrayed the team?
ONE time, duh
I wouldn't assume someone gets more than one chance at betrayal.
He ended up saving them so it evens out
Accidents happen
Omi wasn't the leader, he was the main character (alongside Jack)
Because Leo's whole character revolves around being the boy scout uptight leader who's trying to keep his family safe.
Are there any Avengers run where Cap isn't the leader? Or any team that Cap is involved. I know Avengers does co-leadership but Leo is like Cap. It would be weird if they're not the leader.
At the same time I can accept if Superman's not the leader of Justice League since it's either co-leads or Batman. Plus Supes has always been a solo act while Cap is always in charge.
Was Cap really ever the actual leader though? Iron Man bankrolled everyone and was always in the background doing all the actual work. and Behind Tony you had Thor, who was arguably, secretly the real leader of the team. He played the down to Earth jock out of modesty. He’s literally a king to be, but preferred to stay in the background because he was that humble.
Cap was the mission lead, but he wasn’t the logistics lead
>I Only Know Marvel Through Didney Movies: The Post
>muh disney out of nowhere
kys moronic pants shitting obese amerilard
>Nerve struck
That's what I meant by co-leading. If he's not the full leader, he at the very least co-leads, and is always put in command even if there's other leaders present. I was wondering if Cap was ever just a, grunt, like Aliens said.
Cap isn't the leader for a majority of the team's existence. In the comic the movie team is like the pilot team to get you interested, the actual team is mostly C listers.
Leo's code of honor has always been a plot armor for some villains get away with it. He is foolish to put his family and even himself in crisis many times just to sympathize with the enemy.
Outside the Mirage comics, Raph’s kind of all talk when it comes to being dishonorable.
He can still be a stoic boyscout without being the leader
>He can still be a stoic boyscout without being the leader
Won't work without Leo being de-facto leader (which will make "leader" Raph looking like moron, who is detached from his team), actual leader (like it normally is) or completely standalone outside of the team (which isn't good, because TMNT is about team). Even Mikey would look better with being charismatic lighthearted "moron" leader and Leo fixing his shitty deeds by doing actual work (like Sakamoto and his assistant from Gintama), whereas Raph is just too RUDE and egoistic to be charismatic. Setting Raph as a leader == instant conflict.
Most of the time, "Raph vs Leo" is pointless just because the plot requires it. Same as Raph anger issues. If he anger has no any well-meaning intent behind it, then he's just a dickbag.
hes a withdrawn, egomaniac with a weak will. he has a temper, a shitty weapon, and always needs to be reined in because hes uncontrollable with his rage. leo is balanced, deadly, has a heart, and doesnt cry because someone told him to frick off. I liked raph as a kid, he was my favorite, but that was the cartoon tmnt. he was sarcastic and not a whiny little b***h like the movies and comic version of raph, hes a fricking homosexual.
Why not make Green Lantern a JL leader then? or Human Torch as a F4 leader?
I don’t know. Why not?
Plus what ever seems to ignore is that being jealous of his brother and wanting a chance to prove himself as a leader is also a character trait of Raph’s, so it’s not out of left field to want to explore that scenario in a particular iteration of the series.
>Why not make GL the JL's leader
That one is actually easy. It is a conflict of interest. GL is supposed to care for the entire space sector, not just Earth. The JL is very Earth-centered. I know GL is a fricking joke nowadays with Earth getting one extra lantern for every "minority" but that is supposed to be the reason.
>b-but what will l-Leo do?!?
Holy shit you guys are so uncreative. Not making him the leader doesn’t mean you can’t mix up his personality too. Making him a lazy c**t/narcissistic like his father was a unique take that made him stand out from his brothers.
They can let Leo to deal with supernatural and mysticism. Even giving him some hobby that like read ancient books and study asian archaeology.
His personality is being the leader, his entire thing is being a tard wrangler.
So give him a new thing
They tried making Leo not the leader in Rise and changed his personality, and it sucked.
>Just make the character act like somebody else
The fans love this!
Because "big raging guy being leader" only somewhat suits for barbarian setting on "bandit leader" scale, but not for Japan-related setting, where everything is revolved around harmony, buddhism and big hairy loud angry guys being on the bad side in general as being close to the aninals/oni.
Does "big raging guy being leader“ work for New York settings?
For barbaric bandits - yes, picrelated. For ninja - no, entire ninja culture comes from Japan, New York only adds small details. Ninjas are ninjas, no matter where.
The Turtles are more New Yorkers than Ninjas
The Turtles are more ninjas if only because raised and trained by jap culture person. Otherwise they would be Teenage Mutant Black person Turtles.
I would argue most depictions have them be heavily westernized in their interests. I don’t see Mikey listening to J Pop, he listens to Burger Crap
Raphael dicks Weiss
There are many japanese persons listening to western music. Their lifestyle still heavily depends on their education given by parents and school rather than available media. Specifically asian cultures are all about traditions. Specifically ninja clans are so much about traditions and discipline normal asian families look like hippies or beatniks compared to them.
>Specifically ninja clans are so much about traditions and discipline normal asian families look like hippies or beatniks compared to them.
Not Splinter. You’ve seen his kids. Raphael’s borderline BPD levels of rage and lack of control. The 80s versions werent disciplined, the 2003 and 2012 ones were kind of of not enough that it stopped Raphael from trying to beat Mikey’s skull on. Rise and Mutant Mayhem sure aren’t disciplined and even Bayverse weren’t that strictly raised. The Turteles are skateboarding pizza loving teenagers, the ninja stuff is more like their style of fighting than having influence on their characters
Like you can make the claim; but the media itself contradicts it. Splinter sort of lets the Turtles do whatever
>ninja stuff
"Ninja stuff" requires discipline to be learned - therefore up to certain extent even 80s were disciplined. Only Rise were raised by random chinese movie actor, who, in turn, almost hadn't trained them until shit went wild. And Rise ARE Black person Turtles. If anything, only "modern" takes try to change things without understanding "ninja" part.
Therefore raging maniac would not be a leader of ninjas. If only because he would soon be beaten by calmer teammate.
>Only Rise were raised by random chinese movie actor, who, in turn, almost hadn't trained them until shit went wild. A
Nah, that Splinter was actually also Hamato Yoshi. Except whereas most Splinters grew with their training, this Splinter never really got over his mom having to leave him and turned his back on his family to become famous in America.
Anyways, We have more proof of the Turtles being undisciplined teens as opposed to them being strict households
>We have more proof of the Turtles being undisciplined teens
No, we don't unless we talk about Rise.
Turtles got serious (for each of their respective universe) ninja skills - therefore they are disciplined. Therefore big unstable guy becoming a leader is out of question.
2003 and 2012 constantly disobeyed Splinter, going out into the surface whenever he forbade them, same with Bayverse. 1987 Splinter wasn’t really strict in terms of raising them, Mutany Mayhem Splinter was definitely disobeyed. They eat pizza all the time and do whatever the frick they want
>2003 and 2012 constantly disobeyed Splinter
STARTED to disobey Splinter at certain level of their skill because becoming overconfident. Rest of their lives was strict. If anything strictness of their lives near that much seduction has eventually led to disobeying.
>1987 Splinter wasn’t really strict in terms of raising them
You might want to rewatch it and take a closer look at training parts.
>Mutany Mayhem
Even more recent Black person Turtles where even their "master" was learnimg by fricking youtube. Ftom what i have seen in trailers, this variation is also incompetent as frick because of that.
>She calls him Batman
If they're yokai, oni would definitely suit for Raph.
Because he’s not leadership’s material.
Raph the one who always been doing his own thing, be it going out on his own in the thing through out Turtles history, him being leader makes no sense he wants to be his own man without the baggage of the team.Why don you think he's always the one to go out on his own first and never listens also why he does things his own way like becoming Shredder or Nightwatcher. Him being leader goes against his character even in 87 he the only self aware character who doesn't want deal with the stuff they deal with.
This.
In the 2007 movie Leo left the group and did Raph take over? Nah he did his own thing without involving anyone else.
This as well. This here is why I honestly hate Leonardo as a character his code of conduct always allows the villains to get away with their crimes like Karai. And it's real bad writing that the only thing protecting the main characters from Leonardo's horrible leadership is that the franchise is titled Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If they were side characters in any other series Leonardo's awful skills as a leader would have gotten them killed.
Ironic, some series say that Leo's favorite book is The Art of War. However, he don't like fighting dirty or use any deception because of meh honor and fairness. lamo. There nothing wrong with Leo being a calm and serious leader. The problem is that he is always incompetent.
Because Michael Angelo was a funnier choice.
Because it's one of those decisions that comes off as them doing it to be subversive, rather than just because they think it's an interesting idea and worth exploring.
Because we all know that future Mikey is the only turtle who should be leading the team.
Not now, he’s young and immature. But future Mikey is a different story.
Mikey is "bizarro" unpredictability factor of the team - everybody else is predictable, he is not. He also fullfills taunting decoy functions.
Mikey is a slacker with untapped potential
Raph is brash and physically the strongest
Leo is calm and pragmatic
Donnie is smart and a tactician
Raph being brash isnt a good leader trait. Donnie needs to be balanced with the group so needs to be too emotional or overthink his brothers safety so he cant be the leader. Mikeys laid back attitute is incompatible with leadership without something like what happened to him in the last ronin books. Leo or raph are the only two leaders and raph cannot maintain that position long term. Also themeatically it should be the leader who would burden themselves with killing and only raph and leo use lethal weapons, with sais being defensive weapons. Leo is built to lead, down to his color of headband to his weapons.
Ninjas are supposed to be combat pragmatist. "Weapons determine personality" is always stupid.
what's wrong with this take:
raph as the responsible, overprotective brother. he's very athletic, physically strong, and energetic, but can be a bit dimwitted and has to learn to let his brother's share the weight of responsibility. He has angry side that rarely but explosively comes out when his brother's are in danger, when the responsibility of leadership/being the eldest brother gets too much, or when leo really gets on his nerves.
leo as the adventurous, narcissitic, goofball of the family. think sonic the hedgehog in terms of personality. he's carefree and brave, and a thrill seeker, but this means he gets bored easily leading him to pull pranks and joke around to the point where he can become annoying. he butts heads with raph sometimes because he's so unhinged, and is a bit of an arsehole to mikey. his struggle is learning to slow down and take on a bit of responsibility.
donnie as the sarcastic, genius loner of the family. think your typical Cinemaphile incel only smart. usually he has to be dragged into adventures by his brothers otherwise he'd stay in his room all day, and gets easily annoyed. he's extremely gifted at videogames, which makes leo seethe. his struggle is realising how lucky he is to have a family, and learning to stop being a social recluse.
mikey as the kind hearted softie. he's neurotic and physically weak, but creative (in the arts), gentle, and sweet, and keeps the family together when tensions rise. he is 100% not a homosexual though. He has to learn to be brave and stand up for himself. he has a tendency to be picked on by leo and protected by raph.
all of these personalities are different and unique, and all maintain elements of the original personalities. why exactly can't this work?
>leo as the adventurous, narcissitic, goofball of the family.
Your Leo is literally Mikey.
Your Raph is just a Raph without proper Leo.
In general this is a teenagers, but not ninjas, that are supposed to be at least somewhat disciplined even when counting Mikey. Your characters look like everything cool being taken out of them. You see, in 1) Teenage 2) Mutant 3) Ninja 4) Turtles Ninja and Mutant are most important parts followed by Turtles with Teenage being added mostly for younger audience relevance and nothing else. Your take takes Teenage and removes everything else making it generic boring slice-of-life teenage drama.
no it doesn't moron
Isn't that literally Rise?
Down to comparing Leo to Sonic since they had the same fricking voice actor?
Yes. I was trying to bait people into admitting the personalities in rise weren’t that bad.
Plus rise critics like to point out how all the turtles were just Mikey in that show when that wasn’t the case
>Raph is Leo
>Leo is Mikey
>Donnie is still Donnie
>Mikey is Mikey, but worse
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.
>why exactly can't this work?
becasue its moronic. We already have proof of that with Rise.
Because TMNT aren't real characters, they're walking tropes. Leo being the leader is all he has going for him.
because he's written that way. you can write him to have other things going for him.
The truth is TMNT fans are autists and hated Black person April and the art style of rise so much that they decided to hate on everything new it added, including the new personalities and different turtle species. Since they’re all stubborn they’ll never reconsider their initial criticism with a rational mind and admit that these two additions weren’t actually that bad, so we’ll pretty much never get a unique or interesting take on the turtles again.
Everybody being obnoxious c**ts isn't interesting.
Different turtle species bugged me because then that necessitated changes their origin as well. Donatello and Raphael were not species that would be sold as pets. Hell, Raph as a snapping turtle would've eaten the others.
the real question is, how do you add a 5th turtle?
Why would you even want one?
Write the crossover Cinemaphile
Yang and Mikey get along to have fun. Weiss and Leo get along to talk discipline. Ruby talks with Donny and Raph about mutual fun of making weapons and hating lesbians. Blake sulks because of some bullshit.
Why would I put this idea to paper? It'd be abuse to the trees.
is the implication here that donnie is a waifu gay?
2012 Donatello would be. Actually who has Donatello dated in TMNT Media outside that show?
In IDW he's hooked up with Mona Lisa.
>Had to take Raphael’s scraps
Jesus, even worse than being single
It's a different Mona Lisa. Everyone thought this Mona Lisa would have hooked up with Jennika, cause gotta have a lesbian couple. But Jennika started dating a literal slam pig.
Mutate the RWBY bints into anthro mutants so they're only grace as waifu wank material has a new flavour
>Wolfgirl Ruby.
Alternatively the Turtles might end up half humanized into Turtle Faunus
That would probably be best for the normalgay fangirls wanting an alternative design for anthro reptiles like the TMNT Green machine. The cowards would probably do just that.
I could see the TMNT Pizza Day designs reused. Because God knows if they use the Power Ranger hologram ones it will cause a whole shitshow
They wont all be white thou. There is probability of it being a rainbow collision seeing as they are not technically blood related brothers. So it'll stand to reason they all will represent 4 different races. Excluding what they do with April.
In that case, Raphael will definitely be the black one
Cool with me. Mikey will be the Blondie beach bro, Leo being an Asian monk with his spirituality baggage, and Donnie can be Indian. April will have to Latino for the booty.
As long as all of them aren't just the boring if still sexy choices of fox,wolf,feline then whatever works for their character/theme
Sounds good OP! While we're at we'll give Leo some PERSONALITY by making him an c**ty contrarian quipper. Donnie can be a creep who stalks girls online and gets kicked out and replaced with some trans turtle before rejoining when he comes out as trans and Mikey should be big GAY, more concerned with his drip than anything else. Also they mostly just shoplift department stores than fight. Doesn't that sound FUN? Doesn't that sound Modern?
What's next, Michelangelo does machines?
No, but a higher than average IQ Donnie rather than a super genius could be nice
Because he's a hot head and as proven that his strength is pointless when he makes dumbass decisions that endanger him and everyone else.
Because he is filled with uncontrollable rage.
I would be too if no one ever gave me a chance to lead
Thats not really why he's usually angry.
How do we know? We never let him be leader so how do we know? Huh?! Huh?
I mean, before the Nick cartoon he never really cared about it. He was grumpy due to stuff like being forced to hide, being the only four of their kind, the fact that Splinter will die one day...teen angst stuff.
Before the 2003 cartoon he was never really a hothead, proving that then turtles defined roles don’t have to be set in stone
Oh, he's been a hothead in comics since 1984. Its the 87 cartoon that dropped it.
What's his tax policy?
pizza every morning
If you're going to change Leo so he's not just "leader guy", you might as well just axe the idea of there being a leader at all. They barely listen to Leo lost the time, Raph and Mikey do their own thing and Don't is doing important shit in the background most the time.
Leo being the leader is mostly to inform his personality as the strict one, it's not much of a title. They barely have a chain of command.
The issue is they seem to rarely do anything that requires a leader. Its not like they ever plan out their ninja missions or do special training or ever have Leo just sit out and keep an eye on things so he can make tactical decisions. Honestly the biggest thing they need to do is take away the stick-in-the-mud mentality.
Because that’s Leonardo’s role?
Raph being the leader of the turtles is like Wolverine being the leader of the X-men.
Even if you prefer them over Leo/Cyclops, if you stop to think about it makes zero sense because they have no leadership skills. In fact, if you like, you SHOULDN'T want them to be leaders because that goes against their whole appeal.
>Wolverine being the leader of the X-men.
It worked in that one cartoon, but it was clearly written with the understanding that the characters had been in their original roles before but circumstances necessitated a change.
>Leo/Cyclops and Raph/Wolverine
You should know that is the main issue. There are other similar but better written characters as examples. Leo and Raph deserve better.
>Batman should be turned green. It's a completely pointless change that doesn't fit the character before but he's never been green before so I'm just trying new things. Why don't you like it? It's different so you HAVE to like it or you're a toxic fan who hates change.
Well, he turned green once
Why are you using Batman as an example? The bigger had a million different iterations that drastically change his personality, relationships, and tone of his stories?
Splinterson?
Blackpril should be the leader
hehe Splinterson
I just don’t get the hate. It’s one iteration. It’s one alternative take. If a change in dynamic was labelled as a alternative world no one would be going mad.
Raphael 4 Life
Ralph as the leader? OP other crazy. You out of your mind!
Listen Leo gays, having no personality besides being the leader isn’t Raph’s problem.
Why are you fricks talking about ninja turtles? I am 42 and this is shit I watched and played as a kid.
no one cares morono
go play with your gijoes gaygo
Obviously someone does because you are talking about shit that is like 40 years old. Get over it. God damn...
Oh no, we can't talk about Superman anymore, his franchise is over 100 years old...
oof
why are you on a board about comics and cartoons?
Write their crossover.
raph welcome them as bros instantly, leo is a bit concerned that they are humen and wonders if they are really ok.
>Shredder hires Dr. Pirahnoid to make sea-mutants
OR
>Armaggon's species invades
>in Next Mutation, Leo tries to hook up with Venus, his sister.
>in 2012 Nick Turtles, Leo tries to hook up with Karai, his sister.
Maybe this is Leo's true personality?
Saw a similar topic posted a week or so ago. I like the idea of the Turtles branching out into other martial arts as they get older. Muay Thai seems very Raphael
Let's go over the list of love interests the Turtles had
Leo:
>Karai (Mirage Comics)
>Karai (Image Comics)
>Karai (2012 Nick, turned out to be his sibling)
>Venus de Milo (Next Mutation, was his sister)
>Lotus Blossom (87 Cartoon)
>April O' Neil (Mutant Mayhem, One sided)
Raph
>Ninjara (Archie)
>Alopex (IDW)
>Mona Lisa (1987 Cartoon)
>Mona Lisa (2012 Nick)
>Mezcaal (Archie)
Donnie
>Mona Lisa (IDW)
>April o' Neil (2012, one sided)
Mikey
>April O'Neil (Secret of the Ooze, onesided)
>Mitsu (Turtles III, One sided)
>Shinigami (2012 Nick, One Sided)
>Renet (2012, MAYBE one sided)
>Kala (87 Toon.)
Mirage Raph had that one Mary Sue OC, Lucindra.
Mirage Don had a thing for that alien princess in one issue.
And Mirage Mikey had Seri, but...yeah.
You forgot Horridus for Mikey
I take anything in Next Mutation with a grain of cringe salt.
Mirage/Image Leo does not has any love interest with Karai. He has only romance with Raven Shadowheart/Radical.
leonardo leads, donatello does machines
raphael is cool but crude, michaelangelo is a party dude
any other setup is heresy
She was completely fine with him not being able to pronounce her given name. AND she was more hot tempered then him. She's a literal alien salamander built to fight.
Also 87 Mona Lisa didn't dump Raph. They just fricking forgot about her after the episode.
She's coming back in the SMA comic, or at least she's planned to.
Yeah, she's canon bi.
Wasn't Jennika also, you know, dating Casey Jones before she became a turtle?
>Rise of TMNT made Raph the leader
>Made Leo in the snarky comment guy
>and it sucked
I may have mixed up Mirage Karai with Image Pimiko.
Pimiko is also Raph's lover in the quasi-official fan comic.
I use to think Leo was boring, until I realized Raphael was the boring one.
Wingnut from Mutant Mayhem may like Donnie.
Also doesn't help she's the only 'original' turtle alive, the rest of the Splinter's clan died.
Did Sally Pride hook up with anyone?
Actually judging by the list he has more than Donatello
>Splinterson
It's Hamato
Girl Turtles comes off as contrived that another group of lkke 4 turtles was exposed to Ooze. Just have them date humans, no one really cares at this point.
Slash was done well in the Archie run.
Furgays have hijacked this thread
What a sorry sight
No? They're just posting on topic images?
everything is furgay to your buck broken brain anon
go back to beddit
Frick you, stop shitting up the thread
>Frick you, stop shitting up the thread
All I'm reading is toilet noises from you anon. Either contribute to the fricking thread or go be some b***h gaygo in another.
>there was gonna be a spinoff of the Mighty Mutanimals
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Selected
Huh, wish this was explored upon. Especially since Archie fricking killed the Mutanimals.
Raph doesn't want to lead, his first priority is to fight. Perhaps to the death even, which is valuable in and of itself. in this regard his tenacity is both an asset and a liability. Leo's instincts are to assess the situation and protect his brothers, he's the perfect complement to his three brothers.
he's not as strong / intense as raph but he maintains an eternal edge by staying composed and cool headed.
he's not as smart as donnie, but he can react without thought, he has that mushin mind going on.
and with mikey he just helps focus his energy and enthusiasm and keeps him on track.
I guess the OG movie really did do Leo right.
>these are just two guys in rubber turtle suits, with muppet performers controlling their mouths and eyes
>still more emotive then the cgi turtles
The 2007 movie was enjoyable and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't! Better than Bay Turtles by a mile, second lesser than BayBop and Rocksteady.
The villains were kinda shit, mate.
Well in the 2007 movie, they say it's the same universe as the first three movies, so Shredder was dead, so they needed a new villain.
Who cares? The turtle's and how they worked in the movie was what mattered. The entire movie is mostly about Leo and Raph hashing out their differences that spans across the entirety of continuities. Actual turtle fans that grew up from the 80s loved it. Sorry, you're wrong on this one mate.
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Calm, seriou leader can also be interesting character. It's just that most of writers are lazy and don't know how to write Leo. And always make him a pedantic jerk.
Leo being a wienery know it all may not be much of a personality but it still is and flawed enough to still be a hero. Just like Raph is a violent butthole but is still very cool hero to anyone who isn't a violent criminal thug.
Make ninja turtles hero is a mistake.
No, they should be teenager delinquents who beat thugs. Like a gang doing things the corrupt authorities wont go near because its below their pay grade.
Being a good leader is not about being the smartest or strongest but about bringing those qualities out in others and making the best use of them.
How is there no skunk mutants?
to rapey
Because the turtles personalities are built around their archetypes.
>r-rise was good u guys!!
they're so pathetic
He's not ready. he's impatient, hot-tempered, and more importantly, Leo's better than him