The movies or the comics?
The movies is because Aquaman made a billion. They are still trying to keep a DCEU because of that. If Aquaman had bombed, they would have gone scorched earth and rebooted everything.
The comics? They have reset the universe so many times it doesn’t even matter at this point.
the Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Shazam movies are successful, and there are multiple movies set in the DCEU that are in the middle of production and can't be scrapped. the shit they're doing in the Flash where they soft reboot the universe is the most they can do without pissing off audiences and throwing away tons of work
>WHY DON’T THEY REBOOT?!? >DC REBOOTS >WAAAAAAH WHY DOES DC ALWAYS REBOOT!??!!
The problem these days is that their reboots are never clean.
The problem with the comics has always been the "reboots" they do have always just been half assed. They're never clean slates or actually disconnected iterations. Everything still happened & gets referenced even if it's not canon to the history of the "rebooted" history of the comics. It makes no fricking sense yet they keep doing it like that.
>The problem with the comics has always been the "reboots" they do have always just been half assed. They're never clean slates or actually disconnected iterations. Everything still happened & gets referenced even if it's not canon to the history of the "rebooted" history of the comics. It makes no fricking sense yet they keep doing it like that.
This, I remember trying to get into DC comics at New 52 and most of the character development, worldbuilding and events happened off panel, some comics were even ignoring new 52 and acting like they were still post crisis, it was a confusing mess.
There is literally no way you can reboot “cleanly” because fandom doesn’t want clean, they want their favorite bits to still remain canon in some form as well as see their favorite characters come back ASAP. The only reason Superman and Wonder Woman were hard reboots starting with an origin story that then just going onwards in the main title(s) was because they had people like Byrne and Perez basically run the ship for multiple years and work hard to reinvent and ground and streamline the more silly and weird aspects to a more toned down version.
One way they could do it wipe the slate completely clean and keep no previous continuity, but have 2 or 3 lines of books: one for the present status quo, with the main tier of characters having been around for a while (5 or 10 years), another line for origins and building the various characters' big stories before the present, and maybe a third line for miscellaneous stories for less prominent characters or groups. It could even take the shape of a single weekly book, which could be ongoing or anthology style.
The point is they can't keep further entangling the mess that is their continuity.
If nothing else they should have someone try to make sense of it all and publish a guidebook or something, detailing what's canon and what's not.
That would be a total clusterfrick and the line set in past would die quickly because “it doesn’t matter”. Look how quickly the DC New 52 origin lore book was cancelled.
And DC just did an entire book detailing DC history. Did it change anything? No, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL JUST AUTISTIC NERD BULLSHIT THAT DOESN’T ACTUALLY MATTER.
>And DC just did an entire book detailing DC history.
What was it? I didn't catch it, but then I have been extremely checked out of DC for years.
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The Other History of the DC Universe
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Oh come on, man, that was just a LOOK AT THEM homieS THEY'RE SO IMPORTANT racebaiting bullshit book, not an actual summary/clarification of the continuity.
>No, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL JUST AUTISTIC NERD BULLSHIT THAT DOESN’T ACTUALLY MATTER.
By this logic you shouldn't even read comics.
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I read comics for entertaining stories not because “this story is super important!!”
1 year ago
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It's still "autistic nerd bullshit that doesn't actually matter", go watch sports like a real grown up.
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No, it’s just childish fiction. What’s actually autistic nerd bullshit is all this obsessive butthurt about continuity and whining about how you need clean reboots to “fix” comics. That shit doesn’t matter at all. It’s stupid lore Puritanism.
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>No, it’s just childish fiction. What’s actually autistic nerd bullshit is...
Dude everybody will just say you are just another autistic nerd.
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You either keep a consistent continuity or you get rid of it, the problem is DC pretending to have one while being inconsistent. Everybody even casuals care for consistency.
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>Consistent continuity
Literally impossible the longer you publish stories and the more you have titles in publication. Continuity inevitably becomes convoluted and mess the longer characters exist and interact and somebody fricks up a detail or retcons something, etc. you can’t help it and being a religious fundamentalist about it is not the answer nor is scorched earth. Any intelligent person learns to understand the problems and live with them instead of being the type of autistic nerd who is insufferable know it all and whines for the sake of whining because they take capes too seriously.
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>Continuity inevitably becomes convoluted and mess the longer characters exist and interact and somebody fricks up a detail or retcons something, etc
That's why editors exist, that's why Marvel publish guides to make it clear, every big franchise try organize it, DC problem is not even trying >Any intelligent person learns to understand the problems and live with them instead of being the type of autistic nerd who is insufferable know it all and whines for the sake of whining because they take capes too seriously.
DC have been focusing on character development and story progression by decades, every single one of their runs rely on the reader being somewhat interested on continuity and character progression, they are never self-contained stories unless they are elsewords
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>That's why editors exist, that's why Marvel publish guides to make it clear,
Marvel continuity is a mess too. They just mostly don't address it and things fall by the wayside (until Ewing decides to pick them up)
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>giving a frick about consistency is taking comics too seriously
Consistency is basic storytelling, a story without consistency is a shitty story.
They'd already taken the decision not to have connected continuities the previous year but sure, let's pretend anyone at WB knows what they're doing.
Mostly they seem to be working through legacy contracts they signed when they thought the DCEU would be profitable, making sure people get enough work/pay from them that they don't sue while putting out the bare minimum of movie.
the Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Shazam movies are successful, and there are multiple movies set in the DCEU that are in the middle of production and can't be scrapped. the shit they're doing in the Flash where they soft reboot the universe is the most they can do without pissing off audiences and throwing away tons of work
>there are multiple movies set in the DCEU that are in the middle of production and can't be scrapped
The Flash is never coming out, they ashcanned Batwoman in post after spending $90 million on it, three months before its planned release date, Blue Beetle isn't even as far along as Batwoman - and per the reason Batwoman was cancelled, if it doesn't "feel" like a big event movie it's in danger too - Aquaman has already been pushed back once, test screenings with Keaton "confused" audiences so they reshot Keaton's scenes with Affleck (which means if The Flash ever does come out, frick knows what will happen with "continuity", since that was supposed to reintroduce Keaton as Batman; but either way they're spending twice to film one scene because they're out of control) and oh yeah that also means their big DCEU multiverse idea doesn't make sense to audiences who, let's face it, probably do know about the Burton movies but probably want to know they they're being added to the DCEU at all.
>What they need is a version of the Ultimate Universe
They already have plenty of Elseworlds. They should designate a new Earth for a hard reboot, do a few minis, and if those take off, do more stories set in that continuity.
rebooting won't work, they've tried and failed too many times
just make a new universe
agreed
blank slate, all characters.
instead of monthly ongoings, they do limited series 6-12 issues to keep the issue countdown to not intimidate and scare away new readers and keep continuity simple.
Justice League shouldn't be a regular book but an event like Justice League:____
Don't frick it up like the Marvel did with the Ultimate universe. have a plan and a vision, make sure writers and artists know the difference between mainline and the new one.
the Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Shazam movies are successful, and there are multiple movies set in the DCEU that are in the middle of production and can't be scrapped. the shit they're doing in the Flash where they soft reboot the universe is the most they can do without pissing off audiences and throwing away tons of work
Because they're moronic. They literally have The Batman & Joker movies right there. Do anything with their universes instead of trying to keep a sinking ship going.
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The problem with the comics has always been the "reboots" they do have always just been half assed. They're never clean slates or actually disconnected iterations. Everything still happened & gets referenced even if it's not canon to the history of the "rebooted" history of the comics. It makes no fricking sense yet they keep doing it like that.
They need to reboot, but for real. Not half assing it, they always keep some of the books going and reboot the others, or try to keep a selective continuity.
If they reboot, they need to go all the way and start from scratch with everything, and reintroduce things gradually instead instead of hurrying into getting all the toys back in play right away.
They've done it too many times and even then, that's not the problem. There's no editorial direction, no stability. Reboot or not, why should I care what's going on?
Say what you will about Geoff Johns, but the man steered the goddamn ship back in the Rebirth days. Bring his ass back. Frick Dan Didio
Why can't they just fire their shit writers and editors that never have a single story in at least top 50 sales. The amount of resources and artists wasted on them is insane
They tried that in 2018, it's too soon to do it again.
It doesn't matter if they did because they still would have the same writers making the same mistakes.
The movies or the comics?
The movies is because Aquaman made a billion. They are still trying to keep a DCEU because of that. If Aquaman had bombed, they would have gone scorched earth and rebooted everything.
The comics? They have reset the universe so many times it doesn’t even matter at this point.
The problem with the comics has always been the "reboots" they do have always just been half assed. They're never clean slates or actually disconnected iterations. Everything still happened & gets referenced even if it's not canon to the history of the "rebooted" history of the comics. It makes no fricking sense yet they keep doing it like that.
>The problem with the comics has always been the "reboots" they do have always just been half assed. They're never clean slates or actually disconnected iterations. Everything still happened & gets referenced even if it's not canon to the history of the "rebooted" history of the comics. It makes no fricking sense yet they keep doing it like that.
This, I remember trying to get into DC comics at New 52 and most of the character development, worldbuilding and events happened off panel, some comics were even ignoring new 52 and acting like they were still post crisis, it was a confusing mess.
There is literally no way you can reboot “cleanly” because fandom doesn’t want clean, they want their favorite bits to still remain canon in some form as well as see their favorite characters come back ASAP. The only reason Superman and Wonder Woman were hard reboots starting with an origin story that then just going onwards in the main title(s) was because they had people like Byrne and Perez basically run the ship for multiple years and work hard to reinvent and ground and streamline the more silly and weird aspects to a more toned down version.
One way they could do it wipe the slate completely clean and keep no previous continuity, but have 2 or 3 lines of books: one for the present status quo, with the main tier of characters having been around for a while (5 or 10 years), another line for origins and building the various characters' big stories before the present, and maybe a third line for miscellaneous stories for less prominent characters or groups. It could even take the shape of a single weekly book, which could be ongoing or anthology style.
The point is they can't keep further entangling the mess that is their continuity.
If nothing else they should have someone try to make sense of it all and publish a guidebook or something, detailing what's canon and what's not.
That would be a total clusterfrick and the line set in past would die quickly because “it doesn’t matter”. Look how quickly the DC New 52 origin lore book was cancelled.
And DC just did an entire book detailing DC history. Did it change anything? No, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL JUST AUTISTIC NERD BULLSHIT THAT DOESN’T ACTUALLY MATTER.
>And DC just did an entire book detailing DC history.
What was it? I didn't catch it, but then I have been extremely checked out of DC for years.
The Other History of the DC Universe
Oh come on, man, that was just a LOOK AT THEM homieS THEY'RE SO IMPORTANT racebaiting bullshit book, not an actual summary/clarification of the continuity.
>No, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL JUST AUTISTIC NERD BULLSHIT THAT DOESN’T ACTUALLY MATTER.
By this logic you shouldn't even read comics.
I read comics for entertaining stories not because “this story is super important!!”
It's still "autistic nerd bullshit that doesn't actually matter", go watch sports like a real grown up.
No, it’s just childish fiction. What’s actually autistic nerd bullshit is all this obsessive butthurt about continuity and whining about how you need clean reboots to “fix” comics. That shit doesn’t matter at all. It’s stupid lore Puritanism.
>No, it’s just childish fiction. What’s actually autistic nerd bullshit is...
Dude everybody will just say you are just another autistic nerd.
You either keep a consistent continuity or you get rid of it, the problem is DC pretending to have one while being inconsistent. Everybody even casuals care for consistency.
>Consistent continuity
Literally impossible the longer you publish stories and the more you have titles in publication. Continuity inevitably becomes convoluted and mess the longer characters exist and interact and somebody fricks up a detail or retcons something, etc. you can’t help it and being a religious fundamentalist about it is not the answer nor is scorched earth. Any intelligent person learns to understand the problems and live with them instead of being the type of autistic nerd who is insufferable know it all and whines for the sake of whining because they take capes too seriously.
>Continuity inevitably becomes convoluted and mess the longer characters exist and interact and somebody fricks up a detail or retcons something, etc
That's why editors exist, that's why Marvel publish guides to make it clear, every big franchise try organize it, DC problem is not even trying
>Any intelligent person learns to understand the problems and live with them instead of being the type of autistic nerd who is insufferable know it all and whines for the sake of whining because they take capes too seriously.
DC have been focusing on character development and story progression by decades, every single one of their runs rely on the reader being somewhat interested on continuity and character progression, they are never self-contained stories unless they are elsewords
>That's why editors exist, that's why Marvel publish guides to make it clear,
Marvel continuity is a mess too. They just mostly don't address it and things fall by the wayside (until Ewing decides to pick them up)
>giving a frick about consistency is taking comics too seriously
Consistency is basic storytelling, a story without consistency is a shitty story.
>The movies is because Aquaman made a billion
How the frick?
Don't forget Wonder Woman 1
They'd already taken the decision not to have connected continuities the previous year but sure, let's pretend anyone at WB knows what they're doing.
Mostly they seem to be working through legacy contracts they signed when they thought the DCEU would be profitable, making sure people get enough work/pay from them that they don't sue while putting out the bare minimum of movie.
>there are multiple movies set in the DCEU that are in the middle of production and can't be scrapped
The Flash is never coming out, they ashcanned Batwoman in post after spending $90 million on it, three months before its planned release date, Blue Beetle isn't even as far along as Batwoman - and per the reason Batwoman was cancelled, if it doesn't "feel" like a big event movie it's in danger too - Aquaman has already been pushed back once, test screenings with Keaton "confused" audiences so they reshot Keaton's scenes with Affleck (which means if The Flash ever does come out, frick knows what will happen with "continuity", since that was supposed to reintroduce Keaton as Batman; but either way they're spending twice to film one scene because they're out of control) and oh yeah that also means their big DCEU multiverse idea doesn't make sense to audiences who, let's face it, probably do know about the Burton movies but probably want to know they they're being added to the DCEU at all.
It's a dead project.
What they need is a version of the Ultimate Universe
But they should do it smarter and not change things for the sake of change
>What they need is a version of the Ultimate Universe
They already have plenty of Elseworlds. They should designate a new Earth for a hard reboot, do a few minis, and if those take off, do more stories set in that continuity.
rebooting won't work, they've tried and failed too many times
just make a new universe
agreed
blank slate, all characters.
instead of monthly ongoings, they do limited series 6-12 issues to keep the issue countdown to not intimidate and scare away new readers and keep continuity simple.
Justice League shouldn't be a regular book but an event like Justice League:____
Don't frick it up like the Marvel did with the Ultimate universe. have a plan and a vision, make sure writers and artists know the difference between mainline and the new one.
the Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Shazam movies are successful, and there are multiple movies set in the DCEU that are in the middle of production and can't be scrapped. the shit they're doing in the Flash where they soft reboot the universe is the most they can do without pissing off audiences and throwing away tons of work
Because they're moronic. They literally have The Batman & Joker movies right there. Do anything with their universes instead of trying to keep a sinking ship going.
>Do anything with their universes instead of trying to keep a sinking ship going.
They are, the problem is those creators don't want to do anything outside of building those universes without the rest of the DCU.
>WHY DON’T THEY REBOOT?!?
>DC REBOOTS
>WAAAAAAH WHY DOES DC ALWAYS REBOOT!??!!
The problem these days is that their reboots are never clean.
Why do they have some many similar characters?
Why so many Robins?
>Why do they have some many similar characters?
Its a tradition since the 50's when they made new versions of a bunch of their 40's characters.
There isn't enough capeshit talent left in the industry to support it.
probably because they know the 5th time won't be any better than the last 4.
just kidding everyone knows WB and DC aren't that smart.
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They need to reboot, but for real. Not half assing it, they always keep some of the books going and reboot the others, or try to keep a selective continuity.
If they reboot, they need to go all the way and start from scratch with everything, and reintroduce things gradually instead instead of hurrying into getting all the toys back in play right away.
And lose all the homosexualry
They've done it too many times and even then, that's not the problem. There's no editorial direction, no stability. Reboot or not, why should I care what's going on?
Say what you will about Geoff Johns, but the man steered the goddamn ship back in the Rebirth days. Bring his ass back. Frick Dan Didio
Why can't they just fire their shit writers and editors that never have a single story in at least top 50 sales. The amount of resources and artists wasted on them is insane
They actually rebooted so many times that they broke their ability to do so.
There's no point in rebooting when they don't have any intentions of changing things.