Fpbp, why would any sane person want any ip they enjoy to get adapted in the current year? You'd end up with a writers room full of women who never read the book trying to figure out how to shoehorn as much diversity and inclusion as possible.
Because cyberpunk is paradoxically a genre that aspires to bleeding-edge cool while also being conceptualised and written by total fricking nerds. When nerds try to be cool the results are laughable - you've got some virgin bookworm writing out his fantasies about grungy underworld characters doing things that are entirely outside his own experience. You can get away with this shit in a book, maybe, but not a film.
Supposedly it was going to be adapted by the Deadpool guy, which would have been a nightmare, but I haven't heard of that in a while so I'm guessing the plans fell through. Not sure why they haven't attempted it by now, it has the kind of story that would work really well in a movie. Very action-heavy and visual, not too long either so it shouldn't feel rushed if it's done right. I remember reading a quote from Gibson back in the 80s, he was devastated because he was about to release the book Neuromancer and then he went and saw Blade Runner and thought "Now they're gonna think my book is a ripoff of this." Or something like that, he worded it a lot more kindly and praised Blade Runner heavily.
You know what else is a great sci-fi novel is Consider Phlebas. That was gonna get a series supposedly but that also got canned. While I think it would work very well as a series I'm kind of relieved, the contrarian in me prefers that the book is the only option so if people want that great experience they have to read. It just frustrates me when people's only exposure to a book is a live action show or movie that may or may not be good, and some of them even start talking as if they've read the original book when all they've seen is the show.
William Gibson only has one plot and one set of characters (the names of which he changes) and he usually shits the bed in the last quarter of the book. This is not really a good trait in, what is really, a thriller writer. Pattern Recognition is his best attempt and the only one I could really recommend to anyone.
>Hi, I'm incredibly rich guy. Don't try and count my money or assess my power, I'm basically god round here. >Anyhow I need you, burned out dude/dudette, to go on a mission for me to find a McGuffin. Don't worry about what it is, that isn't going to matter when you find it except in an aesthetic sense. >This is Hiroshi Yakamoto, a vaguely drawn Japanese superhacker, motorbiker and samurai sword enthusiast. He'll help you out and then kind of betray you at the last minute. He isn't an out and out traitor, his motivations are less clearly defined than that. >See you at the end. Try to avoid meeting women or if you are a woman yourself, get over it. I don't know how to write about women. Hopefully your dad was a Navy SEAL and taught you all he knows, so I can just go the STRONK route as usual.
Completely accurate, i can't lie and say I didn't enjoy the books though. If anything I found the discussion of aesthetics interesting, the break down of milsup/techwear in zero history and the history of repop vintage clothing in pattern recognition. Also still cool ideas in the book, pattern recogition has a character who's income mostly comes from being paid by company to go talk about production in casual settings and give the illusion of grass roots popularity which seems like something that will exist if it doesn't already. spook country has the paranoid tech guy creating temporary art pieces using VR.
The books are still a step above most tv scripts now a days. Sprawl trilogy is pretty tought to read after Nueromancer though unless you have a particular hard on for sci fi/cyberpunk shit.
Pretty much anything cyberpunk(-ish) borrows heavily from Neuromancer or the Sprawl Trilogy in general. The reason why a adaption hasn't been done is obvious for anyone that has read the books. It works better as ideas to draw inspiration from.
Same reason the John Carter film bombed
People stole so much from it, with genre fiction being basically rehashes of the original that adaptation would look trite and generic for a modern audience
John Carter bombed because it had awful marketing >People stole so much from it
Jar Jar Abrams has been copying Star Wars his whole career, and the more he copies, the biggest success he gets
>cybernetic implants >LEO habitats featuring every fringe group in existence >dog eat dog global economy >neural links to the digital world >convergence of special ops, crime and the corporate world >emergent AI - real, general AI, not a specialized piece of software for QA in a circuit board factory
seems more relevant now than it did 40 years ago if you ask me
What was the point of bringing Peter Riviera onto the heist? >lol let’s just trust this unstable drug-addicted sociopath with the most important part of our plan even though none of us knows him very well
Is the implication that he’s the only man in the world who could’ve seduced 3Jane? Because she seemed pretty ready for any kind of excitement. She probably would’ve gone for Case if he showered and put on a suit.
Yeah, especially considering they murdered 14 civilians in cold blood to get the Flatline’s construct and never showed any kind of remorse or even mentioned it again. But somehow we’re supposed to be morally repulsed by Riviera?
In putting the punk in cyberpunk they worked for the man and were a casuality of their own decisions by being in the building.
I didn’t think he was a famous artist, just a smooth-talking thief with a very unique cybernetic implant. Armitage was able to leverage his connections to get Riviera onstage at the restaurant and attract 3Jane’s attention. At least that’s how I read it.
Doesn't he has some connections because he's a famous artist, so it's the only way they can get in?
What was the point of bringing Peter Riviera onto the heist? >lol let’s just trust this unstable drug-addicted sociopath with the most important part of our plan even though none of us knows him very well
Is the implication that he’s the only man in the world who could’ve seduced 3Jane? Because she seemed pretty ready for any kind of excitement. She probably would’ve gone for Case if he showered and put on a suit.
Yeah. I didn't get a lot with that dude. Even more why they outright hated him right out the door and seethed so much about wanting to kill him.
If i rememeber right he had worked with someone on the crew prior, devil you know kind of thing i guess, and an excuse to flesh out the idea of a theif with implants that can make people hallucinate.
Since the thread is up, what are some more modern cyberpunk books worth reading.
I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just justifying the logic of it within the characters world views.
*Incidentally Molly Millions would be so embarrassing in 2022 (even like 2002) that it probably kills Neuromancer adaptations dead all by itself
What do you think is embaressing about the character. I don't remember her character being much of a mary sue and she's a femme fatale for the first half of the book
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She's like a troony's OC self-insert, just this horrible sad nerd's idea of a strong female character
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it's been a while since i read the book but i just remember her as a street samurai hired to take care of case. I don't remember being written as a particularly witty or edgy character. IIRC she gets weapon and nuero implants to save her junkie drug dealer ex from a debt. In a world with console cowboys getting fried by black ice and panther moderns getting high of computer chips they plug into the back of their skull, having a chip implant to make you combat effective soudns reasonable enough. I'm just saying I remember the character seeming relatively tame and innocuous.
I didn’t think he was a famous artist, just a smooth-talking thief with a very unique cybernetic implant. Armitage was able to leverage his connections to get Riviera onstage at the restaurant and attract 3Jane’s attention. At least that’s how I read it.
Yeah. I didn't get a lot with that dude. Even more why they outright hated him right out the door and seethed so much about wanting to kill him.
Doesn't he has some connections because he's a famous artist, so it's the only way they can get in?
Riviera is a perv/degenerate, he's a bad boy and right up 3Jane's alley, he was supposed to pave the way for molly. Also, Case couldn't have went into strayligth because he's to boring but also because he needed to hack
Yeah, especially considering they murdered 14 civilians in cold blood to get the Flatline’s construct and never showed any kind of remorse or even mentioned it again. But somehow we’re supposed to be morally repulsed by Riviera?
Apparently, he can only get off by cucking women he loves, he got together with turkish women just to radicalize them and then sell them off to the secret police and watch them get interogated. he also pull pranks on people but i see why Cinemaphileners would see him as "not that bad"
I don’t see it as worse or even in the same league as murdering 14 random people, but the reader is supposed to laugh the murders off and clutch their pearls at Riviera’s perversions.
The Matrix and Inception both borrowed heavily from it.
Cyberpunk 2077 was a shameless rip off of the setting.
At this point I don’t want to see an adaptation with a bunch of clumsy 2022 regime political messaging shoehorned in.
Fpbp, why would any sane person want any ip they enjoy to get adapted in the current year? You'd end up with a writers room full of women who never read the book trying to figure out how to shoehorn as much diversity and inclusion as possible.
I never realized how similar the plot of Inception is to Neuromancer but damn you’re right
Because cyberpunk is paradoxically a genre that aspires to bleeding-edge cool while also being conceptualised and written by total fricking nerds. When nerds try to be cool the results are laughable - you've got some virgin bookworm writing out his fantasies about grungy underworld characters doing things that are entirely outside his own experience. You can get away with this shit in a book, maybe, but not a film.
you clearly know nothing about William Gibson or Phillip K Dick
You are moronic.
Supposedly it was going to be adapted by the Deadpool guy, which would have been a nightmare, but I haven't heard of that in a while so I'm guessing the plans fell through. Not sure why they haven't attempted it by now, it has the kind of story that would work really well in a movie. Very action-heavy and visual, not too long either so it shouldn't feel rushed if it's done right. I remember reading a quote from Gibson back in the 80s, he was devastated because he was about to release the book Neuromancer and then he went and saw Blade Runner and thought "Now they're gonna think my book is a ripoff of this." Or something like that, he worded it a lot more kindly and praised Blade Runner heavily.
You know what else is a great sci-fi novel is Consider Phlebas. That was gonna get a series supposedly but that also got canned. While I think it would work very well as a series I'm kind of relieved, the contrarian in me prefers that the book is the only option so if people want that great experience they have to read. It just frustrates me when people's only exposure to a book is a live action show or movie that may or may not be good, and some of them even start talking as if they've read the original book when all they've seen is the show.
>pictured: Hollywood executive trying to read bill gibson's prose
>Gibson
>prose
William Gibson only has one plot and one set of characters (the names of which he changes) and he usually shits the bed in the last quarter of the book. This is not really a good trait in, what is really, a thriller writer. Pattern Recognition is his best attempt and the only one I could really recommend to anyone.
>Hi, I'm incredibly rich guy. Don't try and count my money or assess my power, I'm basically god round here.
>Anyhow I need you, burned out dude/dudette, to go on a mission for me to find a McGuffin. Don't worry about what it is, that isn't going to matter when you find it except in an aesthetic sense.
>This is Hiroshi Yakamoto, a vaguely drawn Japanese superhacker, motorbiker and samurai sword enthusiast. He'll help you out and then kind of betray you at the last minute. He isn't an out and out traitor, his motivations are less clearly defined than that.
>See you at the end. Try to avoid meeting women or if you are a woman yourself, get over it. I don't know how to write about women. Hopefully your dad was a Navy SEAL and taught you all he knows, so I can just go the STRONK route as usual.
Kino
Completely accurate, i can't lie and say I didn't enjoy the books though. If anything I found the discussion of aesthetics interesting, the break down of milsup/techwear in zero history and the history of repop vintage clothing in pattern recognition. Also still cool ideas in the book, pattern recogition has a character who's income mostly comes from being paid by company to go talk about production in casual settings and give the illusion of grass roots popularity which seems like something that will exist if it doesn't already. spook country has the paranoid tech guy creating temporary art pieces using VR.
The books are still a step above most tv scripts now a days. Sprawl trilogy is pretty tought to read after Nueromancer though unless you have a particular hard on for sci fi/cyberpunk shit.
does he not put a molly millions type character in all the other books for you not to mock him for that, I don't think I read anything but Neuromancer
*Incidentally Molly Millions would be so embarrassing in 2022 (even like 2002) that it probably kills Neuromancer adaptations dead all by itself
Pretty much anything cyberpunk(-ish) borrows heavily from Neuromancer or the Sprawl Trilogy in general. The reason why a adaption hasn't been done is obvious for anyone that has read the books. It works better as ideas to draw inspiration from.
Same reason the John Carter film bombed
People stole so much from it, with genre fiction being basically rehashes of the original that adaptation would look trite and generic for a modern audience
John Carter bombed because it had awful marketing
>People stole so much from it
Jar Jar Abrams has been copying Star Wars his whole career, and the more he copies, the biggest success he gets
Carter didn't bomb because so much stuff was aped from it, it bombed because A, it was garbage, and B, the advertising was incredibly bad
John Carter movie was just shit
Because it's outdated as frick. It could only be made if they choose to do it with a retrofuturistic, 80's vhs aesthetic
sounds like The Gernsback Continuum
>cybernetic implants
>LEO habitats featuring every fringe group in existence
>dog eat dog global economy
>neural links to the digital world
>convergence of special ops, crime and the corporate world
>emergent AI - real, general AI, not a specialized piece of software for QA in a circuit board factory
seems more relevant now than it did 40 years ago if you ask me
dont forget
>war with Russia goes tactical nuclear and the US government collapses as a result
I like cyberpunk and sci fi noir as a genre but I don’t like the cybernetic implant/bodymod stuff at all. Frick Gibson for making them synonymous.
What was the point of bringing Peter Riviera onto the heist?
>lol let’s just trust this unstable drug-addicted sociopath with the most important part of our plan even though none of us knows him very well
Is the implication that he’s the only man in the world who could’ve seduced 3Jane? Because she seemed pretty ready for any kind of excitement. She probably would’ve gone for Case if he showered and put on a suit.
Yeah. I didn't get a lot with that dude. Even more why they outright hated him right out the door and seethed so much about wanting to kill him.
Yeah, especially considering they murdered 14 civilians in cold blood to get the Flatline’s construct and never showed any kind of remorse or even mentioned it again. But somehow we’re supposed to be morally repulsed by Riviera?
In putting the punk in cyberpunk they worked for the man and were a casuality of their own decisions by being in the building.
If i rememeber right he had worked with someone on the crew prior, devil you know kind of thing i guess, and an excuse to flesh out the idea of a theif with implants that can make people hallucinate.
Since the thread is up, what are some more modern cyberpunk books worth reading.
>dude these random civilians worked for a company therefore it’s okay to murder them
>but Peter Riviera is heckin awful because he hurt women!!!
Okay
I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just justifying the logic of it within the characters world views.
What do you think is embaressing about the character. I don't remember her character being much of a mary sue and she's a femme fatale for the first half of the book
She's like a troony's OC self-insert, just this horrible sad nerd's idea of a strong female character
it's been a while since i read the book but i just remember her as a street samurai hired to take care of case. I don't remember being written as a particularly witty or edgy character. IIRC she gets weapon and nuero implants to save her junkie drug dealer ex from a debt. In a world with console cowboys getting fried by black ice and panther moderns getting high of computer chips they plug into the back of their skull, having a chip implant to make you combat effective soudns reasonable enough. I'm just saying I remember the character seeming relatively tame and innocuous.
>but Peter Riviera is heckin awful because he hurt women!!!
Thats in character, WG is a dumb hippie who now writes 'What if Hillary won?' fanfic
You can definitely tell he's an insufferable libtard just from reading his novels.
I mean I get the point you’re making, but it’s just such a moronic arbitrary moral distinction.
Doesn't he has some connections because he's a famous artist, so it's the only way they can get in?
I didn’t think he was a famous artist, just a smooth-talking thief with a very unique cybernetic implant. Armitage was able to leverage his connections to get Riviera onstage at the restaurant and attract 3Jane’s attention. At least that’s how I read it.
It's been sometime since I read, but yeah, his role didn't seem necessarily exclusive to himself
Riviera is a perv/degenerate, he's a bad boy and right up 3Jane's alley, he was supposed to pave the way for molly. Also, Case couldn't have went into strayligth because he's to boring but also because he needed to hack
Apparently, he can only get off by cucking women he loves, he got together with turkish women just to radicalize them and then sell them off to the secret police and watch them get interogated. he also pull pranks on people but i see why Cinemaphileners would see him as "not that bad"
I don’t see it as worse or even in the same league as murdering 14 random people, but the reader is supposed to laugh the murders off and clutch their pearls at Riviera’s perversions.
I mean, are 14 unplanned deaths the same as brutally torturing 20 women on purpose just to get off?
But also I don't think you're supposed to fell anger towards him, those are just the character's opinions (they're all bad people)
people would just say it ripped off the matrix even if it's the other way around
despite what its made out to be, its a shit story
why do you think that?
The book has a lot of internal monologue and thoughts so my idead was that he would be retelling the first part of the story to the Turing police
If they ever make this into a movie. This should be the opening credits theme.
>gets brutally mogged by pic related