Why is animation so enamored with traditional, biological nuclear family structures? You never see enough found families, blended families, single parents, etc. in animation.
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because fiction in general tries to aim at what is percieved as the typical family
many showrunners are about 20 years out of date, drawing from their own childhood
its why PnF was seen as a milestone in representation by showing step-brothers in a very positive light
that being said, hard-working single mom was a common thing in movies before television, like treasure planet
>its why PnF was seen as a milestone in representation by showing step-brothers in a very positive light
I mean even then, they acted so much like a nuclear family that you couldn’t even tell they were blended.
>they acted so much like a nuclear family that you couldn’t even tell they were blended.
well, depicting a blended family as being close enough to one another that they could pass as a traditional one isnt exactly a bad thing
this obviously doesnt encompass all blended families, but it is still nonetheless an experience many can relate to
just having one at all, and not treating it like a big deal, was already pretty forward for the mid to late 00s
>was already pretty forward for the mid to late 00s
It really wasn’t. Drake and Josh and Life with Derek had already debuted years earlier.
It’s still an example of creators using a 20 years outdated model based on their own childhoods rather than anything relevant to the present. This is one area a lot of recent cartoons improve on.
>that being said, hard-working single mom was a common thing in movies before television, like treasure planet
What went wrong?
Gen X. I usually call them boomers but people get pissy if you don’t use the term Gen X.
That's because they're two different generations and you're an ignorant frick. Y'know, a Zoomer.
>That's because they're two different generations
They really aren’t
Zoomers are little kids born in the 2010s. I was born in 1999, which would make me a millennial.
It was a milestone for other reasons too…
>Jab
The only good thing to come out of 2000s Disney
Not all that good and never hit with the jab.
She always wanted to have Fun Fun Fun,
With an ass like that how could she not.
Her husband is so cucked
Because that's normal. No one wants a kids show about some commie homosexual commune of trannies.
See
This isn’t normal, it’s 20 years out of date. In the case of a show like TGAMM, it’s quite literal.
>nuclear families don't exist anymore
They certainly do--so it's not out-of-date.
That would honestly be a breath of fresh air animation wise.
>That would honestly be a breath of fresh air animation wise.
A breath of aids mustard sarin gas fart
kek
your childhood was shit, wasn't it?
Thank god my childhood will not be filled with mentally ill vile genital mutilating child molesting freakshow abortions like you.
>found families
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that found families is bullshit. How is it any different than a group of friends, or if they all frick, a group of swingers (or they just do drugs together)?
I get cult vibes from people that are really into found families.
>Cut ties with your family.
>They were abusive and you don't need them.
>If you don't think they were that just means they gaslit you into thinking that was normal.
>Trust us. We're your friends and we'll be your new family.
One of the most successful animated movie franchises is about found family. IRL most found families are due to circumstance, not what you're describing.
Pic unrelated? Because Toy Story is about rivals becoming friends. At least the first one is, I didn't give a frick about any of the sequels.
And besides, I wasn't talking about fictional orphans, but the real people who love that shit and want more.
>I didn't give a frick about any of the sequels.
Im explicitly talking about the whole franchise.
Even then, the main series ends with Woody abandoning his group of companions to go adventuring with his girlfriend. Defeats the whole ending that 3 had set up.
Can mollygays frick off already? No one was even talking about their show.
this again?
Based transformers poster
Just don't reply to Industrycuck
It's that simple
Isn't that just some boogeyman the tribe wars cooked up in regards to their shitflinging?
No Industrycuck, you can't try to play that card after months upon months of easily documentable spam threads
>call someone an industry cuck over a simple question
You're not helping your case.
Because audiences don't want to seee stories about non traditional families.
Your tastes are those of a pariah, an outsider, and that's why your stories will never be wanted.
You aren't fooling anyone. You always follow the same standard MO, moron, down to the 'it's not actually me'.
Like anyone else here would sympathize or defend Industrycuck but Industrycuck himself, at least unironically.
It's not so much that people are sympathizing or defending anyone and more that they have no idea what's going on. You forget no everyone is on this board 24/7.
I wouldn't call casually browsing this board once or twice a day as 24/7. I do the same and still see this guy everytime.
The only experience I had with him is that one Molly McGee thread.
I believe that where he thinks he blends in, but for the most part people just ignore him, hence why this thread was made
Industrycuck has been such a frequent presence here always spamming the same shit that anyone who doesn't know who he is by now must be a newbie. And newbies have to learn the Cinemaphile way.
Well it is summer so the influx of newbies makes sense
>Industrycuck
Isn't the industry inherently made of cucks?
>Because audiences don't want to seee stories about non traditional families.
>Your tastes are those of a pariah, an outsider, and that's why your stories will never be wanted.
the concept of a nuclear family with a mom, a dad, 2-3 children, in the suburbs is a fairly recent development
as in, 1950s baby boomer, recent
people living through the 10s, 20s, and 30s would be more familiar with extended family groups for instance
and both adoption and step-families are positively ancient
This. People put way too much stock in wired boomer logic.
Already disproven.
>Already disproven.
have a nice day commie
What kind of piece of shit do you have to be to come from a broken family? Even the families that run narcos syndicates stay together and look out for each other.
>step-families are positively ancient
step-families were only ever tolerated in places where power and politics played a role
>You flopped
Buzz is laughing, his movie flopped and he's laughing
>Buzz is laughing, his movie flopped and he's laughing
Make sense, because
This feels like an anti Dana sperg.
>Disney Plus won't even be profitable until 2024 if ever
Industrycuck is such a piece of selfish shit that he wouldn't go to the funeral of the uncle who looked after him after his parents left him, just because he wanted to rewatch an episode of Steven Universe. He's beyond saving.
It’s never going to become profitable. Streaming could never beat cable.
Yeah that screenshot is full of shit.
IIRC wasn't his uncle a Trump supporter? Kind of makes a little sense looking at it from that angle.
No. It doesn't make sense turning your back on some relative who helped you out only because of political disagreements. That's still being scum.
Thats reductive, Andy was antagonizing everyone and was a microcosm of the problem with Steven Universe: You do not need to coddle people who are shitty to your friends and family because of biological relation.
Holy shit this. SU really helped me with my family problem indirectly.
Posts like this remind me that most people who watch cartoons into their adulthood are indeed manchildren.
See
It's a powerful life lesson that can be applied to real life.
It's only powerful if you reached adulthood without already having learned it through lived experiences.
In other words, it's only powerful if you're a manchild.
Except my experience was just like Steven with Andy and the Diamonds.
The fact that you have to relate your experience to a crappy children's cartoon is why you're a manchild.
Point is I have no loyalty to family members just because of blood versus relationships I personally cultivated as anon stated. Hence found family > biological family.
Your family is right to disassociate with you regardless since, as previously discussed, you are a manchild.
I dissociate with them not the other way around.
Even better, sparing them the pain of dealing with your existence is the correct move.
>Point is I have no loyalty to family members just because of blood versus relationships I personally cultivated as anon stated. Hence found family > biological family.
What's it like knowing your family doesn't really love you?
I have a real family
Steven Universe's 'lessons' didn't help you with anything, tard. You're still a manchild posting in a board about cartoons while you're a full grown dude.
And yes, that applies to all of us as well, but we aren't crowing about how a fricking cartoon for trannies and children fixed our existences
You have no loyalty to anyone but yourself. You never even bring any actual friends you may have up. Your worldwiew is based about your life experiences and only about your own life experience, that's why you have no capacity to empathize with people growing in family environments different from yours or even accept they exist.
You are unironically sociopathic in a way.
>You never even bring any actual friends you may have up.
One of them literally died from aids.
Is this the part where you try to make us feel bad for you over this alleged dead friend, so you can feel like your worldview is validated?
>SU really helped me with
Imagine how pathetic you have to be to start any sentence this way. Honestly, SU just stalled you from the inevitable of committing anhero.
…What the frick does that have to do with what anon was saying?
Because the basis is "you should put biological relationships close to the same level as the relationships you actively worked to maintain"
Except as anon pointed out, Industrycuck's uncle helped raised his sorry ass. Even if I agreed with your assessment on Andy (I don't) it's not applicable to this situation.
They fricked up his barn.
There was literally nothing wrong with the barn
>two hippies living in your dead parent's shed and filling it with their crappy art
There was everything wrong with the barn and what it did to Lapis and Peridot.
Andy did nothing wrong.
I stopped after "yall"
Bro it ain't that deep I'm just not interested in the movie
Rent free
lol
Context?
Why don't you just have a fricking dad?
I wanna see a movie about American McGee's family, where he had multiple stepdads and then his mom abandoned him for a troony when he was 16.
Dude did well for himself considering.
Definitely an example of making the best of your crappy childhood to fuel your art.
Because that's the ideal situation
There's a ton of all of those in cartoons single fathers are rare though
Duckman, The Critic, Stephen Universe, Goofy... just off the top of my head
>found families,
those aren't really "families" but pretty much every cast with a large amount of characters act as one
blended families, single parents, etc. in animation.
those have become more common in the last 15 years
Not common enough imho.
No father-figure
hottest pepper ann pic I've ever seen
She sees her dad every so often.
No mother
Well she had a mom, but she died by being crushed between a rock and a boat while saving her eldest daughter.
Ariel is so chubby as a kid
single parents have been done, found families are usually stories where the MC is an orphan. No one wants to write about whatever gay troony family youre trying to imply
Why isn’t there more gay or three way parents in animation?
Because animation is mostly for children
Gay parents can be aimed at children
No
So stop aiming it at children
Part of a "blended family"
All of whom hated and exploited her
>Why is animation so enamored with traditional, biological nuclear family structures?
because there is nothing wrong with striving for it. I'll give you this, I would like a see a broken family work it's way to being good. or having a healthy and honest portrayal of being a parent. The last thing we need is more single parent homes as being normal, it's not a good thing and we see it all the fricking time irl and how fricked up the kids become.
Lilo and Stitch
This; Lilo has a slightly higher chance of not ending up a frick up like Kim, Penny, Jake or the Recess kids.
But I always did hate that movie.
The sequel Anime shows that she went to college and became successful had a kid of her own.
Proof is in the pudding. This is so far a better future than the others listed.
Still don’t like the franchise.
>Had a kid
Who's the father? Keoni, a random, or it was never revealed?
Never revealed.
The alternative to a nuclear family isn't single parent homes.
yes it is cuck
Really? This stuff again?
let this shit go. it's getting old as frick
But, the easily triggered fops who reply to this question are better off contained in this thread
Seriously, why are people so triggered over criticism f the nuclear family?
Google 'Shorthand.'
Because The Simpsons. Every western show tries to copy The Simpsons in some way. Also, it's easier to write a show that appeals to all demographics if all demographics are present. You have middle-aged male and female. Mom and dad. You have male children. The twin brothers. You have a female teenager. The star of the show.
Now you could be nitpicking and say it technically doesn't cover all demographic but it covers a lot more than without the family stricter. Also, most people come from intact families it is the norm.
The one show I can think of that doesn't try to make it about family is South Park. It's just about the boys and the town and sure the parents occasionally appear but are not the focus or at least before South Park went zombie mode.
Actually come to think of it Kim's family isn't really the focus in this show either. It's more focused on fighting crime and dealing with school drama.
Animation is expensive and they want a safe bet plus this is the default in most people's minds because it is the default in society. Having an unconventional family is usually saved for a secondary character like how Millhouse's parents got divorced on The Simpsons. Or how in Boy Meats World, Hunter the star's best friend comes from a broken home.
Also Anon you really need to stop with this family/Kim Possible obsession of yours you make these threads all the time. Seek help.
Why do you see so many false flag threads from OP? Is it because he can't stop being a massive homosexual?
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Are you kidding? Literally every other superhero team is a "found family" or like a family in some way, X-men, Fantastic Four, even the Avengers have a family.
whenever start texting mess, do NOT acknowledge or bump his excrement. Ignore and move on.
all it does is waste your time and kills brain cells by the hundred scores
At least this is talking about cartoons
Was there a father in leelo and stitch?
Yes but he died along with his wife
Home Movies was pretty good about single/divorced parents.
Actual reason: classic nuclear families are generally "easier" to write, in the sense that if a character doesn't have a dad, or has 2 dads, or something like that, people are gonna notice. Having a "normal" family dodges this issue and gives the viewer a simple, easy to understand cast.
A show like Kim Possible gains almost nothing from dedicating a plot thread to Kim having a missing father, or something like that, because the show is too busy doing it's own thing. A lot of shows with a kid/teen protagonist have this exact same setup because the parents aren't important and shouldn't be important, so its better to create a world where the viewer doesn't need to think about them by making them as normal as possible.
In shows that do have a non-standard family setup, they almost always have to acknowledge it in SOME way, lest you get a Pokemon situation where people are constantly asking where Ash's dad is and headcanonning random characters to fill the role.
Using pic related as an example, even before the big reveal of who KO's dad was, KO still had multiple instances where having no dad affected him, likewise, Carol being a single mom placed way more responsibility on her as a parent. I love the relationship between these two, but it definitely would have been different if KO's dad was in the picture. A lot of shows just don't wanna do that legwork for something that doesn't directly affect the plot (unless it does) so they just avoid the issue entirely.
also you see more and more weird family setups in modern cartoons, idk what you're on about OP. In the 2000s though there really was only 1 family setup.
That’s why I hate the 2000s. What’s worse, it seems to be making a comeback in the 2020s.
You hate the nuclear family? Sad.
It’s radioactive after all.
Eh, at least KO doesn’t have to worry about his mom getting beat by his dad like Kim does.
>Actual reason: classic nuclear families are generally "easier" to write, in the sense that if a character doesn't have a dad, or has 2 dads, or something like that, people are gonna notice. Having a "normal" family dodges this issue and gives the viewer a simple, easy to understand cast.
Yeah because literally everyone on earth has a mom and a dad on a biological sense and the vast majority are raised by them. Its an American Black phenomenon to be a fatherless wretch, being a father and raising your children is extremely important in all cultures, the legitimacy of children to their real father was codified in most law codes and socially its never been okay to abandon your own blood. We are social animals and the family unit is the most basic, natural social structure due to the inherent investment in raising human offspring. We are more like Penguins than Lions or Wolves.
>Its an American Black phenomenon
So why does every Black cartoon have a dad?
>You never see enough found families
these are extremely common.
Phineas and Ferb
Adventure time
Steven universe
Big city green
Generator rex
Lilo and stitch
He-man (cgi)
Kung fu panda
How to train a dragon
Avatar
Kid cosmic
The owl house
Flapjack
Chowder
Wakfu
Max steel
Iron giant
Treasure planet
Power puff girls
Rugrats
The Incredibles
The Ghost and Molly McGee
The Simpsons
Family Guy
American Dad
Bob's Burgers
Duncanville
King of the Hill
Daria
Kim Possible
Danny Phantom
American Dragon: Jake Long
Dexter's Laboratory
Central Park
Craig of the Creek
Proud Family
Juniper Lee
The Wild Thornberries
The Secret Saturdays
You listing exceptions doesn't change the rule.
Ah I see no matter what I listed you will simply say it doesn't matter nice to know I guess
>Proud Family
This isn't a nuclear family because of Sugar Momma and Bobby being present in the household
They just visit a lot, they don't actually live in the same household.
>they don't actually live in the same household.
I explicitly remember them saying the put bobby in the attic but in the new season they said he stops by a group home so it may be he lives at both the house and the group home.
That might have been a joke since other episodes state he still lives with Suga Mama at her house.
>King of the Hill
Did you forget about Luanne?
She moved out into her own house and Hank never considered her a part of the family. Hank is the type of burger who gives a frick about "muh American traditions" and shit on based Yurop.
Hanks parents are degenerate
>Left a japanese woman a baby momma
>Abuse your current wife to the point she leaves
>Wife finds nice man
>She leaves him to "explore" herself to get with another man
>Hanks dad then sleeps with and makes a baby with hank's Kindergarten class mate
>Dies then third baby momma decided to run off with a doctor
Honestly a more accurate depiction of American families than what you see in Disney Channel or Nickelodeon.
Industry cuck, who let you out of your cage?
The biggest manga in the world is all about found family.
Why is Japan more in tune with the current state of the world
Because Americans can’t stop shitting on found families while Japan actually knows what real family is like.
The frick are you talking about, there are tons of American works with found families. Some of them are listed here
I don't blame this sub-human for spamming these threads. I blame you stupid fricks for constantly responding and enabling him every time. Frick you all.
Love you too sweetie
HIYA INDUSTRYKEK!
How's you're bawd mom holding up?
I'm sorry that your father left to get milk and never came back, but that doesn't mean we should impose that lifestyle onto future generations.
Oh, yeah. Single parents are soooooo rare in animation. You never see those...
Heteronormativity frick yes.
>Heteronormativity frick no
FTFY
I never understood why people act like heteronormativity is a bad thing. Yes, most people are heterosexual. That is what's normal.
People write nuclear families because that is the default. If you have family that isn't the norm, then it's obviously going to invite questions about what happened. If your show isn't supposed to have a strong focus on the family as a whole, it doesn't make sense to put much effort into making them abnormal, because that's just going to invite questions from people who want to explore how the family ended up that way.
>because that's just going to invite questions from people who want to explore how the family ended up that way.
Why is that a bad thing? Kids will ask about that. Kids will also ask why that unicorn character isn't pooping rainbows when it flies. Kids will always ask whatever the frick enters their moronic brains for even a second. Why don't you want to talk to your kids? But we all know anon doesn't have kids.
This. People who say that heteronormativity is a bad thing clearly have never had children.
>then it's obviously going to invite questions about what happened
Oh look, an episode idea. In fact, you could make it an episode on how "That's my family's business, not yours" is an acceptable answer.
This. This is something we need more of.
>You never see enough found families, blended families, single parents, etc. in animation.
Have you never watched a disney movie before?
>Why is animation so enamored with traditional, biological nuclear family structures?
They aren't. there are plenty of cartoon shows with composite families.
I always wondered who was Ferb's mom and who was Phineas's dad
I just noticed Phineas and Candace's hair are opposite hue-shifts of their mom's
Can you really call this composite when they don’t even draw attention to it most of the time?
Yes? Drawing attention to something doesn't increase or decrease the validity of a concept.
I want to kill you and analyze your brain so we can figure out what kind of autism causes you to post this every single fricking day
Because the traditional biological nuclear family structure is the norm in American society and has been for some time you fricking moron.
>burgers ITT think their traditions matter
The entire history of America has been on earth for less time than some literalwho deli or bakery shop in Yurop. American "tradition" is even newer than that. Kek what a joke.
We are literally talking about American animation.
Holy shit this; American traditions do not matter when they’re this young. Why are burgers like this?
>You never see enough found families, blended families, single parents, etc. in animation.
Those things are all way more uncommon believe it or not.
So much textual diarrhea, smegma, and vomit
This is an outright lie look at disney movies. From pic rel alone:
>Princes frog
Nuclear at first then dad dies in the war
>Tangled
Not nuclear until the end
>Frozen
Absolutely not nuclear
>BH6
Not nuclear
>Moana
Communal
>Zootopia
Very nuclear
>Raya
Don't remember this crap
>Encanto
Intergenerational (maybe one sided communal because we see Camilo help a woman raise her baby and the premise in general)
Because cartoons are often episodic and need a status quo to return to
Having an atypical family structure is a plot and source of conflict in and of itself and thus better suited to a non-episodic structure
OP requires a lesson in storge
See
It’s an American thing. Storge is a complete joke in other countries.
C S Lewis was an Irishman educated in England
the critic
This thread is still fricking up?
It's not breaking any rules.
I'm more shocked that anons are still bumping it
Welcome to the most easily baited board on this site.
Because that’s a good thing you self-destructive tard
Not really. Nuclear families are pretty toxic.
family values right here. come and get it!
Alright what's the fricked up backstory behind this pic?
well Luna Loud and her bandmate Sully decided to hook up and have a baby. Luna is sad right now bc her poor baby is sad.
As far as Loud House goes, that's not bad
there's an animated film being made all about it. and it will be even better than the one on netflix.
>How many times do we have teach you this lesson, industrycuck.
What we need to do is ignore him.
Only when we finally cut off his precious supply of attention will he put himself out of everyone's misery
>We need to represent everyone
Name characters with a speaking role who are explicitly said to be adopted.
>Name characters with a speaking role who are explicitly said to be adopted.
"Speaking role" is a bit of a stretch but Bamm-Bamm is certainly not a background character. Outside of that, it's common among superheroes.
Shhhh.
Same with WMAF
Because
I'm Nuclear