Why is Batman the only superhero who can have a movie made without in any fashion having to make jokes about himself or be meta aware of the concept and winking at it to the audience?
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Because all the other superheroes who get movies are made by marvel
I’m sure if DC made a non-Batman film it would have a similar vibe
Batman is just, really, really fricking cool.
Batman Begins and Dark Knight did, a bit
>A guy who dresses like a bat definitely has issues
But overall it's because Batman's been a proven money making machine since WW2 and he's so seeped into culture that we don't blink twice at the premise.
And this
Because at his core people find Batman more believable.
His power set is money and training, his motivations are vengeance and anger. Those are easier sells to the masses than the fantastical shrinking of Ant Man or the pure and selfless altruism of Superman.
This is a lie people love Spiderman and hes far from realistic.
Yeah but peter parker is realistic, that's the difference
>Poor
>cant pay rent
>shit job
>nerd
>relationship issues
Hes a very relatable and down to earth character
>Hes a very relatable and down to earth character
Peter is giga mega chad. For some reason people pretend he's some loser nerd who can't get pussy, when he gets prime stacey pussy all the time.
>hyperfocusing in the relationship aspect
Color me surprise
>Super genius
>Super powers
>Super model gf/love of his life
>loving aunt and uncle
>Apart of the Avengers
How is he relatable because the writers make him broke for no reason?
Gwen or George?
>or the pure and selfless altruism of Superman.
They do make a couple of jokes about the boyscout aspect of Steve's personality, "language" and "so you got detention" come to mind. They also gave him an arc questioning what heroism is. But honestly over the course of so many movies he comes away looking pretty pure.
Unironically MCU Tony and Steve have great character arcs that flip them over from how they began
and now that they're gone MCU is worse for it.
>t. should have ended after Endgame
MCU Steve quits.
Now don't get me wrong. I think he earned his happy ending with Peggy, but the sefless thing to do wouldn't be to stay in the past like that.
>MCU Steve quits.
He retired. He's an old man, what do you want from him?
Only children and reddit still like this MCU shit.
The Captain America movies were far and away the best part
Because movie producers want money but they are also embarrassed about the source material.
We can make a millón movies about Batman. Not a millón movies about thor
Technically we can make a dozen movies about Thor if he was portrayed more like Conan going on new places and meeting new people rather than every movie being about Asgard being destroyed or conquered over and over
>we can make a dozen movies about Thor if he wasn't Thor
If people in Universe aren't scared of Batman it defeats the point
People expect and prefer serious batman
He isn't. Stop making threads based on premises that aren't true.
While I prefer Batman to be serious, I would really like to see a movie with more "out-there" villains like Mr. Freeze or Clayface.
Batman would still be serious in those movies
batman has an advantage i don't think people are utilizing: he can have a serious movie but still keep more gimmicky villains by playing their quirks off as patterns of compulsive behavior. Cause, you know, they're insane.
That's what they did with Scarecrow in Nolanbats. Hell that's literally every version of the Joker.
yeah but they could do it with other characters
>body horror movie with clayface / slasher movie with og clayface never ever
The next Battinson movie will almost certainly have Freeze.
>Batman can't be serious with a giant shape-shifting blob monster
there might be a john carpenter movie you should check out
Spider-Man is just Archie comics with webs
Even if Freeze is in the next movie, his "out there" elements will likely be removed. He'll probably just be an ice themed serial killer who, I don't know, puts his victims on ice because he wants to find the perfect parts to remake his dead wife or something like that
Personally i want them to do the freezing suit, but in a grounded cyberpunk sorta way, like the aesthetic of Neil Blomkamp's films.
that's not gonna happen, look at how different Riddler is and Penguin also was stripped of all his...penguin-ness so there's no reason to think Freeze will retain his more zany or fantastical qualities
This wold only work in the battflick universe. Pattison struggled against incels. Not sure they're gonna do a super powerful freeze gun victor. Did you see how crappy riddlers costume was? Freeze will probably just have white hair some lame shit.
this is why of all Batman villains I think they should do Two-Face. It's pretty hard to frick him up. That or Scarecrow.
I was just thinking about introducing Pamela Isely in a Gotham that's flooded but I would want the plant siren instead of a normal human ecoterrorist.
Nolan trilogy. Nu Joker. And the new Riddler. After all that I'm so desperate for one of the stranger and superpowered villains to have a movie.
I want to see some of the overtly supernatural rogues. Even the cartoons don't touch on them very much.
the closest we got was Two-Face and while I'm glad we got that, he still dies in the last 15 minutes of the movie
Logan?
Daredevil and the Punisher are generally taken seriously too. It's about being a non powered vigilante that is driven by violence and revenge. Those three all have cooler themes too, as in bats, devils and skulls.
Wolverine is generally taken very seriously too.
true
>the Punisher are generally taken seriously too
Only the Netflix series took punisher seriously and even then tones him down significantly. 2004 Punisher was afraid of getting too dark and gritty and had plenty of jokes and didn't take things too seriously, and WarZone was a blast but it absolutely didn't take itself seriously in any way, only Netflix Punisher tried it out and even then IMO had to water him down.
Nettflix Punisher IS NOT the Punisher, he's a generic 90s action movie protagonist just like his series is just a generic 90s action movie story
I prefer my batman like this it's the subhumans who demand he be serious.
He WAS serious, though. That was the point. He was the straightman, the square reacting with a straight face to the insanity surrounding him. Same thing with Brave and the Bold.
That's why those takes worked, but Batman & Robin didn't. You can do comedy with Batman but Batman can't be a wisecracker, at most a deadpan snarker.
LEGO Batman is the only exception but... that is a LEGO movie, the same script done with live action would have been awful.
>I prefer my Batman to be box office poison
West is the best
Proud Boy detected
Despite the occassional joke and Joker being a homosexual schizo, people really, REALLY, respects Batman. Even villians respect him.
He is not a god, nor someone with superpowers, but a dude with tons of money, training, and sheer will.
He is stone cold, but very humane.
He is the guy who will beat the shit out of a god, and plan excrutianly how to do that before hand, and give said god the creeps to the point that nobody dies but no one wants to try invading the planet again because Batman is just that fricking scary.
>laugh at the fact he dresses like a bat
>laugh at the concept of living in a cave
>doesn't get more meta than "Rich white butthole"
Film makers are embarrassed to tell stories about superheroes and it shows
>Batman
>Superheo
excuse me?
>They do in fact make fun of Batman by constantly pointing out how his Bat suit is goofy in-universe. Several characters state this in the new Batman, Nolanverse, etc.
>He has no powers and his setting is dark grim realism. They can't riff on the powers like they can with Ant-Man. They can't riff on the wacky hijinks of the setting
>Batman stories are inherently dramatic and grounded. There are very few bouts of cosmic entities brawling it out so there is no need for the directors to TRY to ground it using jokes and self awareness.
take your pick
>Iron Man
Smarmy quipster but no fun poked at the concept of Iron Man as a superhero
>Captain America
A couple of fish out of water jokes but his heroism and powers are treated completely genuinely
>Hulk
Treated entirely seriously until Ruffalo inserted his brand of self-deprecating israeli humor
>Black Panther
Exactly as serious as Batman
>Captain Marvel
No fun allowed
>X-Men
Some fun at Cyclops' expense but other heroes are treated seriously.
>Daredevil
The movie took Matt so seriously that it became unintentional comedy.
>Punisher
Treated seriously in most adaptations.
Etc.
And of course on the DC side Superman, Wonder Woman, even Aquaman had movies that treated their concepts perfectly seriously.
For all the scenes people pull out of the MCU for making jokes about superheroes, they run em pretty straight. They had Thanos collect the six glowing plot devices and no one batted an eye when they said shit like Infinity Gauntlet.
This, people really overstate how much they supposedly mock things. Like yeah there are a few instances of it but for the most part they take what happens seriously
Yeah it's not nearly as consistent as some people make it out to be. Still warranted to an extent, I mean Thor has been a joke/deconstruction of the noble warrior archetype throughout the franchise, he keeps having to learn to serious up over and over. Again though, like with Ruffalo (and Rudd or Pratt) that's mostly just playing to the actor's strong suit, rather than a concerted effort to justify the silliness.
>Why is Batman the only superhero who can have a movie made without in any fashion having to make jokes about himself or be meta aware of the concept and winking at it to the audience?
To be fair we haven't seen the asylum MCU's Batman movie yet
There's a lot of dark edgy superheroes that have that trope though. Constantine and The Punisher are 2 that immediately spring to mind. Fairly sure Daredevil was the same too.
Joel Schumacher's Batman movies are basically if Marvel made Batman flicks. Prove me wrong.
Joel Schumacher's Batman movies are better lit.
Not to mention the weirdly prophetic vision of Riddler, who was basically a Mark Zuckerberg type peddling always-on consumer devices and services that collected personal data that Riddler could exploit, profit from, and in general get his jollies from. No-one talks about this though and instead just focus on the movie looking kinda gay.
While it kinda make sense, I disagree. Because Batman & Robin is unwatchable since its so fricking boring. I haven't been bored by a Disney Marvel movie, not even the bad ones.
>i haven't been bored by the MCU
I think they respect certain eras and facets of Batman and don't make it into some grittier, "real" version so I can't agree. Even the early marvel movies didn't have that kind of comic vibe.
Batman and Robin took its stupidity and ran with it, were it a Marvel movie, it'd be covered in ten layers of irony and self-deprecation.
The MCU did genuinely good in this aspect with Captain American and Winter Soldier
Do you think you could do a version of the X-Men with the seriousness of The Batman centered around Cyclops?
>White male
>Present day
>Solo movie of a man known for being the leader of a team
Nah, couldn't work.
It would obviously be about him being a team leader, but the focus would be on him
I dunno. I kind of like the idea of Cyke taking a sabbatical due to the stress of trying to lead a team to saving a world that fears and hates them. And ends up going on a solo adventure that nonetheless reconnects him with humanity and ultimately restores his hope in the future he's trying to build.
It's hard for me to think of stories about him besides fighting Havok when he's with the government
Batman is such a slam dunk in character design that his presence demands respect. Even if he's being funny or lame his identity as this cool/ intimidating presence still remains intact.
The whole concept of his character and his origin is also very precise and well thought out, a lot of other characters have very convoluted origin stories and they don't feel as directly rooted in their setting like Batman does for Gotham.
>his origin is also very precise and well thought out
tbf they had several go-arounds over the years of subtly rectonning his origin so that everything flows better, but yeah even his earliest depictions were pretty good, aside from the whole killing people with guns thing.
yeah a lot of other characters need an entire movie or multi-part episode to explain their origins. Batman needs at most five minutes.
You could say the same about spiderman, too. Which is why he's still so beloved, even after multiple reboots and spinoffs.
no
Batman:
>parents killed
>wage one-man war on crime to avenge them
Spider-man:
>Penis Parker is scrawny nerd kid
>goes on field trip
>gets bitten by spider
>now has powers and is chad
>dicks around with powers
>"with great power comes great responsibility"
>uncle ben dies
>shit. guess i'll hero now.
Spider-man is beloved because he's a good character, but you need a lot of time to set him up.
Batman is the James Bond of Superheros. He's just cool. Marvel is embarrassed by Thor's comic mythology so they had to make it a big joke
>having to make jokes about himself or be meta aware of the concept and winking at it to the audience?
Didn't see any of this in MoS or WW
It's not Batman it's DC
I can't imagine Superman existing in that universe.
because batman is a SERIOUS hero who is DARK and for GROWNUPS who dont have time for levity or jokes
also, brave and the bold was the best batman specifically because they went full self-aware comedy
How do people not cringe when Batman talks with his voice? Bale was bad but it just sounds cringe in The Batman since its so dar5k and super serious for grown ups.
>You're not my dad
He's a little boy acting grown up. Would be an interesting take on the character with his childish view of the world
>If I punch people this make society better
But it never does, I mean Batman begins did this perfectly, when Bruce buys the gun to kill his parents murderer.
>id like to be able to turn my head
>it would make backing out of the driveway easier
what
Always found it curious how Homelander/Evil Superman gets people talking more than if superman was good but nobody is ever really interested in the Punisher as much as they are Batman.
Because people hated Man of Steel and BvS.