In Nippon, manga is so casualized, even housewives read manga, and there is a magazine for niché. And many of these have weekly releases.
In west, only people who read comics are nerds, and they are sold as separate issues.
While manga chapters are either included in a magazine or tankoubon.
You think the business people would be able to imitate this business model to some success instead of letting the industry die.
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Thirty(getting close to forty now) years ago the readers were abandoned for collectors, that's the tldr of it.
First post best post explained everything. This thread really didn't need 100 replies.
This. In Japan manga is for reading not collecting. It's sold fricking everywhere, It's inexpensive, and it comes in a wide variety of genres so there's something for everyone. Comics aren't accessible to normal people anymore. You have to seek them out. Forget all the other bullshit if you could buy tons of different kinds of comics in any convenience store or at the checkout line for roughly the same price as a candy bar, comics would be doing way better.
>It's sold fricking everywhere
Except most places sell just specific handful of titles and you have to go to a bookstore or a place specialising on manga to find a wider selection
Okay, and? Thats no different from music or books or any other media: you have the popular stuff thats commonly carried, and if you want to track down more niche stuff you need to go someplace with a wider selection.
>not pictured eurocomic reader in prison for undisclosed reasons
what
The correct answer
>LOL LE EPIC EAST VS WEST THREAD
Scientific studies have provided irrefutable evidence that trolls are extremely severely mentally ill, dopamine addicted sociopaths.
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Therefore, each and every single troll both needs, and deserves to be subjected to immediate, involuntary and indefinite institutinalization not only for their own good, but for the greater good of human civilization.
Trolling is also against Global Rule 3, and raiding is against Global Rule 4.
Fulfill your civic duty by reporting this thread as soon as possible and as much as possible, Cinemaphilemrades.
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East vs West threads should be a bannable offense, and we should have a sticky about it
Hahaha
Seethe and Cinemaphilepe
If they feel good about themselves, how are they mentally ill moron?
They're both mostly shit and endlessly frustrating. It doesn't matter that some c**t b***h Japanese housewife or mongoloid nerds greedily slurp up the slop.
Find the good stuff and stop falling for this console war horseshit.
I've made to switch to manga and eurocomics like half a decade ago. It feels so good when 80% of the material is not fricking capeshit.
I started capes, manga, and Euro comics at the same time once I got serious. Felt great at the time. Ran out of good capes first, now running on the steam of the rare good non-cape find.
I ran out of capeshit that interested me very fast. Maybe it will happen the samer with the rest but I doubt it since I have like 3 other hobbies and I am not just jumping from manga and eurocomics to other manga and eurocomics. I have enough downtime in-between.
Read prose too. It's like an endless fountain of good stuff compared to comics.
I already do that.
Nice.
Superman 3-0 b***hku
Imagine if battle shounen was most of the industry and then you get the comics industry. this image is the sad truth.
Post the variant with new comics that has miles.
>western comics are just capeshit
Every time
The most popular ones, the majority of the market? Yes, they are capeshit. Stop acting like it's a lie when Cinemaphile talks mostly about capeshit when Cinemaphile was always about capeshit.
It’s disingenuous and stupid. Same way these same frickheads largely just talk about shounen manga which shows how juvenile, shitty and emotionally stunted their tastes truly are.
Battle shounen manga makes for like less than 15% of all manga compare that with capeshit. Also Cinemaphile used to have(sometimes still has) a hate for that kind of manga while Cinemaphile was always happy to talk about whatever mediocre capeshit. You don't get to act like the genre is not the definitive thing for comics when I can just point you to Cinemaphile and other western comics forums.
>Battle shounen manga makes for like less than 15% of all manga compare that with capeshit
And yet, they're still the most popular.
Yes and? (also Junji Ito and Berserk are up there in popularity considering what I see at my local library)
>Cinemaphile: Heh these guys are such manbabies, reading manga that are made for children!
>Also Cinemaphile: *Constantly consumes comics about flying men in spandex suits whose moral codes are the same as those of cartoons aimed at children*
People always post this greentext in these threads, but it’s irrefutably true. American comics are just capeshit. Whenever people ask for counter-examples, people either say something vague like “indie comics” or play the “I won’t spoonfeed you” card. The third option is interpreting western to mean the entire west and they bring up European comics, but let’s be serious, when people say “west” in these threads they mean America. “East vs West” just means “Japan vs America,” nobody is talking about European or Korean comics in these threads.
Reminder.
>Americans are richer than the Japanese
What else is new?
Garfield will always be more popular than One Piece?
The Pokemon company have enough money to buy Jim Davis' family and sell into rape slavery.
That's misleading.
While Davis might be richer than Oda, all it says about how ownership is handled.
One Piece worth is worth 2 billion, Garfield only 800 million.
Oda gets paid pennies from One Piece, because mangakas only part-own their work, the publishers own the IP, so Shueisha and Toei make 80% of the profits
So Davis wins because he paid more.
Based and true. I remember back in the day how salty Cinemaphile got over it and they even tried to make their own versions kek.
Manga has already won so who cares anymore? Stuff like was funny because people still believed in comics but current Cinemaphile doesn't so these threads are useless. You have defeated your rival so now leave.
Comics died in the 2010s. It still had some life in the 00s but that was it.
>60's manga
Yes?
NGE, Haruhi, and Lucky Star were popular as anime, not manga. I think Sailor Moon was also more popular as an anime.
Ok, so they stagnateed
Why would that be bad to stick to what worked if that's not why people don't like modern comics? It's trying to be topically political that's the issue because the appeal of fiction is not understanding the connections to real life events. Kids are moronic, that's why comics worked. Jap media only "works" because you're foreign that can't understand their culture so their media is "innovative and new" to you.
Post more EvsW OC. I am sure there are some where Cinemaphile wins.
manga is pure garbage, and it only appeals to pedo weaboos. comics are not that casual in the us
I know you have to cope but that's sad.
you have Cinemaphile - go there, pedo homosexual
and get that ugly shit out of my face, I hate that style, it's abhorrent
>post form 2011
"Weeaboo" used as an insult on this site is absurd. A site called fricking "Cinemaphile". The name itself is ripped from Futaba. The name itself. THE SITE'S URL IS WEEABOO. THE MOMENT YOU TYPE "Cinemaphile" YOU ARE ENTERING A WEEABOO SITE. And then you get on and see almost every banner is anime themed, there are anime boards as niche as /m/, the main ad links go to J-List, and half the macros are anime themed.
It's like.
I dunno. It's so incredibly stupid that it should be obvious, but they miss it. They complete miss it.
It's like going on a gardening site called "gardeningworld" and being like "LMFAO WTF GARDENING IS SO GAY WHY WOULD YOU EVEN DO THAT, ALPHAS LIKE ME ARE TOO BUSY PICKING UP CHIX AT DA CLUB TO BOTHER WITH THIS SHIT"
There's a time and a place, really.
But such is the times we live in, when you're as likely to see "xD Cinemaphile" mentioned in a Facebook status as anywhere else.
When people know Cinemaphile as nothing but that sokewl deep edgy site where you can totally swear and post pronz (AS LONG AS IT ISN'T ANY OF THAT CARTOON BULLSHIT FOR VIRGINS LOLZ!!)
Cinemaphile was raided by trolls because of being a weaboo site and became anti-anime newbie. another thing, this is Cinemaphile, not /a2/, we talk about western media, not japanese garbage
>t.newbie that doesn't know anything
>another thing, this is Cinemaphile, not /a2/, we talk about western media, not japanese garbage
Like 99% of Cinemaphile stuff is trash. You need new content guys and I am here to provide .
I don't care about your feelings. anime is trash, but it can be discussed on Cinemaphile. if Cinemaphile is trash, at least it's Cinemaphile trash, not Cinemaphile trash homosexualterinho
It doesn’t help that good Cinemaphile content is banned from Cinemaphile. Make a thread about the comic Preteena by Allison Barrows if you don’t believe me
I've been in multiple threads where good comics discussion is happening and the thread gets deleted for absolutely no reason. These were non-bait, non-spam, on-topic threads too.
It's so frustrating.
Counterpoint: the term “weaboo” with that definition was invented on Cinemaphile, so this is the most appropriate place for it to be used
People used to say “Wapanese” but that word got banned and people started saying “weaboo” to get around the filter
Not quite, the word wapanese was filtered TO weeaboo when posted, so people would type wapanese and then see weeaboo in their post, and people eventually liked it and started typing it intentionally
>Wapanese
Damn, I remember that, didn't know it was banned why it stopped being used. Same with Cúmbrain turning into gamer.
Wrong. Cinemaphile was NEVER intended to be a weeb site.
pic related.
Elon should buy Cinemaphile so it can be called 4X instead.
we'll see about that
Yeah, sorry due but you've lost.
it's almost impressive how not even comic book movies going super mainstream was enough to break the source material out of its niche. Other hardcore hobbyists wish their hobby had that kind of resistance.
Its not just the movies. TV shows, video games, etc all show that people have a lot of fondness for these characters in *every medium* other than the comics themselves. That is the single greatest signal that comics are fricking it up and they have no one to blame for themselves that I can imagine.
Spiderman has had 10+ movies in the last 20 years across 4 franchises, multiple tv series of varying quality, and critically acclaimed video games in the past and present. People love spiderman... as long as he isn't in a comic book. The moment they have to actually deal with the bullshit that is comics, they stop. Blame shitty writing, or convoluted timelines, or comics being too expensive for what they offer. The fact remains that its the COMICS part of these IPs that are dragging the whole thing down.
Goku/Superman crossover will save capeshit.
As much as you b***h about these threads, I vastly prefer them to about 100 or so of the threads up right now, most of those technically off-topic.
rules are rules, you want better threads make better threads. the reason that Cinemaphile sucks is because of the off-topic threads
Some of them are very off-topic and they stay up for a week before they reach bump limit and get archived (not deleted).
I feel cartoons should get the manga treatment. It's just fun to see creators make manga that then becomes anime. Imagine if Steven Universe was a manga and had more fleshed out stories?
>Imagine if Steven Universe was a manga and had more fleshed out stories?
Steven Universe is for women.
Sailor Moon exist.
Yeah, and it's for women. It's shoujo.
Right?
Manga-to-anime is like case-tested
90% manga do not get anime, only long-running get, and those manga only get to run long because people keep reading them
to add:
Unfortunately, westerners look down on adapting stuff.
Look at book to movies/comic to show adaptations and compare them to Japanese-adapted stuff.
Western showrunners are unironically narcissistic and think they can do better than the source material, so they usually have little respect for the source material but merely use it as a launching point to realize their own story.
So, they end up undermining the themes and characters of the source material, while at worst, Japanese cut/change the order of things when adapting stuff.
>Japanese cut/change the order of things when adapting stuff.
They should do that more. Different mediums have different rules. Adapting it 1:1 causes tons of problems, such as ass pacing for one.
>westerners look down on adapting stuff
LMAO wtf are you talking about. There are tons of adaptations produced all the time.
>Western showrunners are unironically narcissistic and think they can do better than the source material
And they’re right because something doesn’t necessarily translate to a live action format and pretending like source material is always perfect is laughable. In fact you unwittingly like a lot of stuff that took giant liberties on the material and you just don’t care/know about it because you’re too lazy to actually consume the source.
>while at worst, Japanese cut/change the order of things when adapting stuff.
Weeb talking through rose tinted glasses and largely just speaks about anime, which itself often has taken liberties in the past.
>LMAO wtf are you talking about. There are tons of adaptations produced all the time.
The point was their "adaptations" are bastardizations, not true adaptations.
And I'm not saying everything should be unchanged, but you could at least try to stay faithful to the themes of work, instead of shitting on them.
>pretending like source material is always perfect is laughable
Didn't say so, but things that get adapted are generally the more popular works, and they are popular because they are better. So, it is very for common a above average work get below average adaptation.
>doesn’t necessarily translate to a live action format
What do people even mean by this? Can you give an example? Or are you just parroting talking points?
>if it’s popular it must be good
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
People like you think changing a hair colour is bastardising the source material even though it has nothing to do with core themes.
Actually hair color is usually unchanged in comic adaptations
Most anime exists to advertise the original manga/light novels. That and advertise the merchandise.
>I just want to watch the same shit panel to panel in cartoon form
No thanks
Anime isn’t exactly 1:1, but it also isn’t just a complete overhaul in the same way western comic adaptations are.
And that’s why you can have several different cartons of the same material and they’re all be unique and interesting on their own way.
Yeah you can have a Batman movie that’s gritty and realistic, a Batman movie that’s gritty and realistic from a different director, a Batman cartoon that’s dark and serious, a Batman cartoon that’s bright and silly, a Batman cartoon that’s for pre-schoolers, that type of diversity doesn’t exist in anime
Oh wow more disingenuous shit being spouted, why am I not surprised
What’s disingenuous about that? Are you saying that type of diversity does exist in anime?
Yeah? Some series have their “dark and mature”.
Mind posting cartoons like lotgh, RoV, Ashita no jo, Texhnolyze etc. Anime has 100 more diversity compared to cartoons
Yeah but those are with different IPs, so they don’t count
It does exist sometimes. Attack on Titan had a middle school comedy alternate universe spin-off and a gritty prequel about some original characters in the past running at the same time as the original. All written by different people
It's so interesting The Walking Dead, the Boys, and Invincible shows hate their perspective source materials.
I particularly despise how the showrunner of Walking Dead, who cast his friend to play Andrea (who is a charisma vacuum and 20 years too old) and then wrote the character to be a dildo-obsessed b***h, as opposed to kind and smart character from the comic.
shitposting the same thread is stupi
>why manga sells so much better than comics broooooos, like really, because the last 1000 threads did not satisfy my answer
>East vs West shouldn't be allowed
Because the West loses every single time?
Because Manga knows what the audience want while the comic industry for some reason are pandering to a group of people that never existed or have no interest in comic and when it fail, somehow its the customers fault for not buying their shitty books.
The audience wants isekai fantasies
These threads made me finally watch an isekai (Re:Zero) and I thought it was pretty good. Why does everybody b***h about them?
Re:Zero is like 1 in a million of good Isekai. It's like finding actual gold in a country-size garbage dump.
So I just lucked out with the first one I saw? Damn, I never get that lucky.
What’s a bad isekai?
Have you read Lupin III isekai?
Isekai manga's sales are not even comparable to the shounen ones.
Well of course, nearly all isekai are shonen (especially the most popular ones) but the vast majority of shonen aren’t isekai. It’s like saying that shojo outsells mahou shojo, it’s pretty much a given
I meant battle shounen.
>nearly all isekai are shonen (especially the most popular ones)
Lol, quite the number of isekai manga are published in seinen magazines or magazines that publish web novel adaptations.
I want to see the straw hat Pirates go to Gotham City.
theres a lot of reasons but riding on the train giving people more time to read is an underrated one
I had to drop capeshit and move to manga. That was the best decision I’ve ever made. So many different genres and male characters who don’t get cucked over. Add in Kdrama too. Now I can enjoy all the attractive men all I want without feminazi bullshit ruining it. Superman and Batman go through way too many humiliation rituals. It’s a joke.
>Superman and Batman go through way too many humiliation rituals. It’s a joke.
Those who are team comics should quit cape comics for this reason. The people writing these comics HATE you.
You can blame the CCA and senate investigations for killing off non cape shit stuff in the 50s. Those genres never really fully recovered after that with the following dominance of superheros.
Do you not like reading silver or golden age stuff? Silver or golden age art still blows anything modern out of the water. Especially the non capeshit stuff. Go read Buscema's Conan run.
>Buscema's Conan
That's Bronze Age and it pales compared to something like Berserk.
>You can either just read Marvel/DC OR manga
Stupid poster is super stupid
black hole thread
and manga has cons too.
Shonen Jump almost had a Wertham moment in its infancy
>Very stagnant, total lack of diversity
>quality control is shit
>terrible distribution system
>people have lost interest in superhero movies
What's depressing is that there are hentai manga that make better use of the medium than big two comics. The American Industry is really, really dropping the ball.
Imagine if the entire Shoujo market decided to frick over all the male characters and make them too weak. The entire industry for this genre would collapse.
Know your audience and what male/female actually fantasize and like.
Pretty much every major decision that american comics ever made has only made things worse:
Shared cape universes were a fun idea, but the MANAGEMENT of that shared universe over time has increasingly become the focus as opposed to telling good stories with the characters. There is a reason why DC keeps having to retcon its timeline in a major event story over and over again.
Appealing to collectors rather than readers made short term financial sense, but has resulting in a complete disconnect from the sort of products that feed their whales and the sort of products that have enduring cultural value and make people want to read comics for enjoyment in the first place. I *don't care* if you have 6 special variant covers for an issue of a comic I don't want to read even if it was free.
The move to dedicated comic book stores detached comics from its intended audiences (kids) to the manchildren that could drive to the comics shops, and made getting new audiences into comics an uphill battle because you simply wouldn't even have the chance to pick one up out of curiosity unless you went to a dedicated store. You have to already be a comics fan to go to a comic shop, making losses over time inevitable.
And, last but certainly not least, comic publishers owning the IP they publish is cancer. It strongly incentivizes them to spend all of their time and energy coming up with new ways to serve up the characters they already own and keep them in neverending circulation because its theoretically more profitable than working with new creators on new IP. Why take a risk on a new property when they could rape a 60+ year old franchise into maybe appealing more to zoomers instead? It shifts the focus of what an company should be (what can we make that people want?) and turns it into a scam to trick their customer (how can we convince people that they actually want the same things we already have in stock and they already said they don't want to buy?)
Also, getting rid of their talent with bad business practices.
I see that as more of a symptom of the other stuff than a real decision. No one sat down and said "hey, lets have hack writers and worse artists'. They simply made other business decisions that meant that the quality of the product they were making no longer had an impact on their sales. A speculative collector treating their comics as an investment won't ever read them, after all.