Why is he the best character of The Wire?
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for me, it's Lil Kevin
The Irish had a better crop than this in the 1860s
What does "b" mean?
After greeting someone with 'A!' you gotta tell them B so they can C u l8r
Ryder
Huh? Tf you say?? Speak da frick UP!
But that's not Slim Charles.
Slim the is the most boring character in the show.
You the most based? He's the most loyal of them all. You wouldn't understand.
I mean the most boring character in the show. A refrigerator hum.
Wee-Bey took life for his boss and never snitched, he deserves a mention
he also gave us one of the best reaction gifs ever
more like wee based
Yeh this guy is the biggest overachiever from the show in terms of cultural impact he left with this meme
I disagree. Slim had honor in an honorless environment. It was interesting watching him navigate that landscape and still prevail.
He was just a tool. All he did was his job.
He was surrounded by incompetent and disloyal idiots. Remember Cuddy's first job, to creep up and kill some fools. Only Slim and Cuddy kept their nerve
Even among the “loyal and competent” gangsters in the Wire he’s boring compared to Wee Bey, Chris, Bird, Snoop. He’s not funny, he’s not unique, he’s not particularly ruthless. He’s generic.
I think he was mainly a bone thrown to people who were just going to glorify the gangster lifestyle no matter what. At least he's shown smart enough to not seize power at the end.
Speaking of, props to Method Man. I'm used to rappers having massive egos, playing a loser butthole like Cheese takes some balls for a man in his profession.
>Cheese
>loser
t. ziggy
Yeah method man has 20 charisma, both an amazing actor and rapper
He has plenty of great lines and memorable delivery
Not true, I didn’t even remember him after my first watch and probably wouldn’t have if he wasn’t pointed out to me. And I still couldn’t quote a single line verbatim from him after four watches. Again, he’s a refrigerator hum.
Overrated by literal black worshipping gays
>Black person with principles
no such thing
1. Marlo
2. Rawls
3. Chris
4. McNulty
5. Mouzone
6. Landsman
7. Levy
8. Avon
9. Joe
10. Bunk
switch Marlo and Bunk
>Omar not top 10
Frick right off
Omar is kinda overrated. He's cool, but he's not deep. He's a bit of a cartoon character compared to everyone else, not quite to Mouzone's extent but he's up there.
The real fricking crime is the lack of Bubbles. Easily the best character in the show.
based bubbles appreciator
bubbles bugeaters need to get a room. frickin gross. horrible actor
He’s probably bubbling under. I just don’t like him more than any of those.
I don’t care about Bubbles.
1.Bubbles
2.Omar
3.Prop Joe
4.McNulty
5.Marlo
6.Chris
7.Bodie
8.Slim Charles
9.Snoop
10.Prez
If I had one more slot I'd put Wee-Bay and probably D'Angelo in there somewhere too, this show just has way too many great characters.
If we're each doing this
1.Bubbles
2.D'angelo
3.Prop Joe
4.Avon
5.McNulty
6.Bodie
7.Bunny Colvin
8.Prez
9.Lester
10. Michael
I honestly forgot how much I enjoyed D'Angelo's character, good list despite the distinctive lack of Omar.
Yeah I rewatched 1&2 recently and I loved D'Angelo, watching him die again was a real gutpunch. He was also apparently the most popular character during the airing of the first two seasons of the show itself too, other than maybe Omar.
I was completely blind on my first watch and when D'Angelo got taken out I coped inbetween episodes hoping that he wasn't going to be dead, then he got posthumously cucked and it all set in, one of the saddest deaths in the series.
Get Simon’s self insert the frick out of your top 10.
Simon’s self-insert is Gus from the Sun
He has two from the two professions he has experience with. Gus is the other. And honestly way more hamfisted than Bunny.
You like mouzone?
To be fair to that anon I found him entertaining simply because he was somehow a Black Nationalist while simultaneously moving dope and pushing corners, also because he held his gun like a noir detective, for me he spoke to the hypocrisy of the Nation.
Mouzone depends on how much overall thought and characterization went into him. Like the Sopranos people tend to overdo it with the Wire and read way too much into things.
I don't think they spent an inordinate amount of time on him. They came up with a concept for a notable sort of character with an eccentric personality that you hadn't yet seen in the series. Someone you would remember and keep an impression of episode after episode as he slid in and out of the plot.
Had he just been Hood homie Muscle Guy #2159 it would've been kind of hard to track his role, and would've been kinda out of place that he was the one who with Omar took out Stringer Bell. But the fact that he's notable and memorable with his appearance and speech makes it more plausible and creates more intrigue.
And I think that's pretty much all they wanted out of him. There wasn't much thought put into it beyond how his characterization would serve the plot and watchability of the show. I bet the casting decision had a lot to do with it too.
Every scene, every line, every word. I’ve always liked characters that almost seem above being human.
>gay autistic Manlet at #1
>homie with a library card at #5
Oh, I am laffin
Why do you care about the height of a character are you woman brained / trans?
hello manlet
I'm a big boy but also not a troony homosexual they cares about the height of other men
Yo b
AY YO WAT UP B?
EVERYBODY EATS B
D'angelo Barksdale for me.
cuck
Projection.
More like D’ACKgelo Barksdale
Bro got 5 to 10 then got 43'd lmao ACK
Stringer was a psycho
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fr fr
him and bodie no cap
i know you guy dont like him but i always liked marlo
i always liked scenes with mcnulty or carcetti
hate bubbles, hate kima, super fat guy is gross, super gay guy is gross, hate prezbo wait i thought i liked the wire
Prezbo was a top tier performance, realistic, east coast white guy who sympathizes with the black youth but gets frustrated when they start acting like thugs.
>hates Bubbles
>hates Landsman (?
>hates Prezbo
I'm sorry, anon. You have no soul.
my favorite character is Levy
yes I'm a lawyer
are you israeli? serious question
no, I'm eastern euro
Why is that Important?
Dunno just seems like it would help in that profession in particular
I'm sure it helps in the states
>Watching LM reactions
>They deduce the fact that Stringer is getting played by the Senator as soon as they interact with each other
>They discuss the themes of Stringer, Avon, Clay and what it means for their characters
>Quickly understood why Avon wouldn't straight up kill Stringer after the reveal D's death
>Already deduced that Stringer is probably going to die either by Omar or Brother Mouzone
Goddamn, I usually don't like reactors but those two serbian sloots have the best post discussions out of any youtuber out there. They've made my rewatch so enjoyable
>autistic tier reactions where they overanalyze it and predictgay everything without ever getting immersed
dumb black reactors are better.
What's lm reactions
for me its cutty
really wanted to like him but he's too much of a whiny b***h
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>CIA will never cold call you to discuss Oriels pitching and lady's asses
he didnt get to bring friends.
GOT DAT BIG GUY FOR YOU]spoiler}
no, no way!
after everything i did to throw the guy out of the plane, now you want me to… pretty up the guy’s parachute?!?
>You only do two day in jail
Why was Bunk an almost perfect portrayal of a 90s drunk, he had how a drunk person acts in real life down to a T. McNulty on the other hand is drinking whiskey all day and still manages to be charismatic, witty, charming while solving complex crimes.
McNulty is a cop down to his marrow, arguably the only things he cares about are solving crime and pussy. For Bunk it's just a way to pay the bills so he leans into the drinking
natural police
Bunk was a better detective than McNulty throughout the show. McNulty is good at kicking shit up and getting projects started but after that he becomes a liability out there.
I'd say McNulty is still the better detective, but Bunk is the way better Po-lice. Bunk doesn't get departments shut down or risks everyone elses jobs and shit. He goes in, does good fundamental police work, goes home.
bunk is just more disciplined, mcnulty is unruly, freamon is the best of both
this...
IS BULL SHIT
hardly
he was 'homies just wantin' to still be homies for all eternity'
Stringer was the attempt at reaching above that
the fact he failed is testament to the everyone's acceptance they never will and Baltimore will always be Baltimore
But whilst stringer tried to reach something higher, he was too dumb to play with the big boys and got cleaned.
They saw his ghetto ass coming from miles away.
Stringer was too ambitious for his own good, and Avon wasn't ambitious enough. They worked when they worked together because they complimented each other.
I mean, wasn't ambitious enough for what? He reached as high as he could reasonably climb without making some insane risks like Marlo did, finding a comfortable enough place as Kingpin of West Baltimore, unknown to the authorities and with enough money hidden away to actually manage to retire from the game if he ever could. He had reached the end of the board, and that was really all he needed to do. Any more than that and he would've ended up like Stringer.
But yeah, they did work together well, but even in season 1 Stringer is trying to isolate him from the business and take more control.
he tried though
and his sons/progeny would have likely got there in some form
it was cynical af to just wipe him out and accept it would never happen
You’re talking about the white collars. When Stringer tried for something higher on the streets - the co-op - it worked great. High quality product and minimal cop attention.
*produck
nah it was pic related. Everybody else was a beta and couldn't play the game.
kinda lost track of the show after he came in
how did he just enter with no prior reference yet stalin-like control of the city? recall asking this att too
every season just had a 'hey viewers! heres this new villian!'
He snatches the territory the Barksdales are giving up under Stringer, ignores New Hamsterdam to focus on his corners (which pays off when Hamsterdam collapses), has the backing of a lot of the Co-Op because he's at least a local when New York gangster are trying to muscle into Baltimore, he develops a terrifying ruthless reputation of killing anyone that crosses him even slightly, and he's actually saved only by Stringer turning in Avon. If Avon hadn't been arrested, Marlo would've died in a hit. Then, once the Barksdale organisation collapse, he just picks up the pieces and most of the guys left join him for lack of a better option and so as not to be against a guy who will kill you for looking at you funny.
But yeah, idk how he got the intial muscle or how no one had heard of him before season 3. He's a local but nobody knew he existed?
dunno whare omar's influence derived from either
>some guy living in a tenement
>holds up legit drug gangs offering to sell their drugs/merch back to them
.. lol what?
and why were kids on the street afraid of him? was he a pedophile?
>and why were kids on the street afraid of him? was he a pedophile?
He shot a kid in the leg in S1.
Omar gives out free or cheap drugs to a few addicts too, builds up a rep. And Kids aren't afraid of him, they love him because he's so cool and they want to emulate him. But also a lot of corner kids have been told to also shout if Omar is coming the same way they've been told to warn if the police are coming.
his brother had rep and was known throughout town, plus omar is like 28, kids like michael and bodie started getting their reps at 16 so its not that hard to imagine, heck marlo was top dog at 19, the stuff they say about him that he did in his youth is scary.
tbf his brother had rep as a pussy who tried to kill himself rather than go to prison "like a man" so that's not much help.
I grew up in a rough neighbourhood and you'd hear similar stories of people that ran gangs or did stick ups etc that were basically just normal street gangsters, but there'd always be "damn you know that homie that runs xyz gang got a rocket launcher and he out for all the cops?" etc etc, Omar's rep in its totality is similar, although he is certainly the fricking Terminator of Baltimore, he's not as invincible as the stories make him out to be, we know that from his manner of death alone being comparable to Bodie's, uneventful, but it's his feats and tales that precede that, and the tales that follow after that cement him as a hood legend.
his death was exactly as it needed to be, only an inexperienced child would have killed him, either because he wasn't expecting it or because everyone else was afraid of him, its really poetic when you think about it. The kid only saw a gimp, he didn't know anything else.
Yeah it's true, everyone in the hood would've been way too afraid to run up on Omar, limp or not.
Christ .. no wonder America is so violent and lawless
there are steadfast rules to organised crime here in Yuroland
enjoy your warzone
Designated shooting streets
Yeah, he was a homosexual, did you forget?
Barksdale lost their best muscle, had weak product, and, most importantly, the project towers were destroyed. So he had to take territory on the streets which Marlo controlled, but Marlo had better muscle at that point.
He was mentioned early in the series and slowly rose up through the ranks by being ruthless and constantly underestimated by both cops and rival gangs.
Got ahold of some bad nuews. Price of the dick goin' up.
I'm just a humble motherfricker with a big ass dick
He isn't, the best characters (plural) are Snoop and Chris.
The scene at the start of season 4, where she's buying the nailgun and having a pleasant conversation with a shop assistant is so good
Shame about the actress tho lmao
Nah I really liked Snoop to be honest, her blatant psychopathy synchronised so well with Chris' sociopathy, also the Baltimore shit she does really makes the show feel real, also her and Michael's final scene was great.
>implying she couldn’t have knocked the gun out of Michael’s hand
Oh no I love the character. But the actress was done for murder before the show and I believe assault after the show. Total butthole.
both of them are great because the show doesnt try to hide them behind fairytale bullshit like the other characters, they're psychopathic Black folk like irl and especially the female one
>”he’ll stink is all”
>right in front of the guy they’re about to kill
Fricking brutal.
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>"Don't fret boss, I got you covered, quick and clean I promise."
He's the coldest individual in the show, even Marlo's more forgivable than he is.
I love Marlo’s first line in the show. One of his guys is about the kill Bubbles.
>Well do it or don’t. But I got some place to be.
Just doesn’t give a frick.
CHEESE, man.
brother mouzone was such a wierd fricking characte
no he wasn't, nation of islam has interesting people, and its mostly black intellectuals even former military servicemen who join such organizations. Is it so easy to imagine a mercenary former marine fighting overseas than to imagine someone like mouzone being paid probably very well by avon to protect the projects?
>black intellectual
okay, Tyrone lmao
Nah you gotta be a fed.
Have you never heard of sowell, baldwin you ignorant moron?
>mfw they're out of potato salad
But if both he and Dee went to jail, who took care of his aquariums? 🙁
this is peer-reviewed
I feel like Bodie and Burrell are a little low but other than that pretty much yeah.
>Streddit Bell
>god tier
>Frank
>anywhere above shit tier
It's only Reddit if you think Stringer was right and should've been in charge. Stringer as a failure is a kino arc.
terrible.
imagine consooming this Black person garbage.
chuddie
80 IQ moron. The show does a great job depicting the problems of a major American city in the early 2000s. The results of those problems are the bullshit everybody is crying about today.
>season ending montage power rankings
1. I Feel Alright (S2)
2. Fast Train (S3)
3. Step by Step (S1)
4. Way Down in the Hole (S5)
5. Walk on Gilded Splinters (S4)
1. Omar
2. McNulty
3. Bodi
4. Bubs
5. Lester
6. The Bunk
7. Marlo
8. Frank Sabotka
9. Daniels
10. Avon
Surprised by the high Marlo rankings. I thought he was fine, but wasn't much more than an obstacle for everyone else in the series. Something for far more intereting and developed characters to work against or for.
Marlo is the first character to show up with zero empathy. He is truly absolutely terrifying, which says a lot in an urban war zone like this. That’s why he always gets a ranking from me. He also has the best scene in the entire show during pic related.
>”MY NAME IS MY NAME”
My favorite scene in the show is catch you later.
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I feel like my opinion of him changed the moment he was provided an opportunity to 'legitimize' himself but didn't fall for it like Stringer did, all through S5 you're hearing about how the politicians are bleeding the traffickers that reach a certain point dry, taking advantage of their naivety, Marlo saw it for what it was almost immediately and dipped, same for how he dealt with the Greek, Joe, all of the people that ever tried to exercise power on him found themselves essentially incapable.
Marlo is so different from every other character. String never would have cared about people calling him or Avon a b***h, because he was more concerned with the product and the money empire. Marlo had more money than he knew what to do with, but his empire was his power, and his name. Another comparison is Vondas and the Greek. They used fake passports and shit to keep their smuggling economy smooth sailing and profitable. That’s what they cared about. At the end of Season 2, Vondas even comments to the Greek “after all, my name isn’t even my name” vs
where Marlo wants the whole world to know who the frick he is
Yeah this is true as well, Marlo was almost like a manifestation of all the pain and suffering that the citizens of the projects and hoods of Baltimore were going through, even stashing the bodies of his victims in vacant houses, away from the world in all senses was symbolic.
>this a nice Wire thread you got here, you rightful hustlers
>but here's the thing, now that it's built up, Imma need it
>YO THIS MY WIRE THREAD I AIN'T RUNNIN' NOWHERE
>SHIT IS ON, COME ON WITH IT MOTHERFRICKAS, I DON'T GIVE A FRICK
>YOU AIN'T GONNA PUT ME UP IN ONE OF THOSE EMPTY PAGES NEITHER!
>Price of the jannies goin up
>mcnulty is obnoxiously 'Irish'
is this still a thing in ~2020 America
haven't the micks all just moved out to the burbs and mixed with the other non-descript euromutts by now?
Lol no. FOBs and first gens still carry their cultural bravado, especially on the eastern seaboard
Its pretty much dead now. The generational presence of white immigrant ethnicities who came over 1880-1930 in the Great American Cities has pretty much been obliterated.
I grew up in a very proudly German family on the northwest side of Chicago. Through the nineties the family was very wrapped up in the city and in the German hertiage. Nobody in the family lived more than 5 miles outside of a radius drawn at about Schurz High School.
Now? The only people left in Chicago are my grandparents and one uncle. Me, my siblings, my cousins are all gone. Scattered throughout the country. About a hundred years after my great grandparents came over on the boat and settled in these neighborhoods their legacy in the city is completely gone.
There are countless examples like mine. These cities are too disfunctional to have a life in, people have all left.
You’re overthinking it. The Poles in Chicago have exactly what you’re describing in 2023. The longer a white immigrant group stays in America, the more assimilated they get and the less they need to stick to their kind.
Guys ngl I think the Wire might be pretty good
There are redditors out there that genuinely believe that Sopranos and BrBa are better, but The Wire has always been our chosen series, it has something for everyone.
I feel so filtered by not liking the Sopranos. The general consensus seems to be it’s better than the Wire so I guess I’m wrong. But if I made a list of my favorite 30 characters in both shows, 28 of them would be Wire characters.
To me Sopranos is the Tony Soprano and family show. Maybe Chris as well. Otherwise you're just there to be a prop for their story or comic relief.
The Wire meanwhile is, as cliche'd as it is, actually about Baltimore and its people, not any one man, or one unit, or one family.
For me it's not that Sopranos filtered me, it's that frankly the lives of the Wire's characters are just objectively more eventful, thus the show comes alive as a result of that, it's like Baltimorean Neo-Realism.
Its the true all-timer performance by James Gandoflini and the very personal storylines with regards to Tony Soprano's experience with therapy and especially his family that make the Sopranos great. Love the Wire too, but what happens in our own heads and capturing the American family dynamic are so deeply personal that the Sopranos just hits super hard. And like I said, there has probably never been a better casting decision and performance in teleivison, maybe even movie, history than Gandolfini as Tony. The show would not be anything close to what it became without him.
This as well, hard carried by Gandolfini giving one of if not the best performance in television history.
There are countless stories of David Chase and the writers envisioning a scene one way, then on the first take Gandolfini portrays completely differently and completely better.
Its a perfect storm. Very talented actor, perfect role and showrunners who could set aside their egos for a second and recognize the greatness. There is nothing close to it on the Wire. Though overall the Wire features many vastly better performances and characters than basically everyone on the Sopranos except Tony, his family, Richie and Junior.
Richie is just *stares at u* the character.
Think about the scene in Whitecaps where Carm finally has enough and loses her shit on Tony. Probably the best acting I’ve ever seen on television. I still like the Wire better, but it never had anything like that.
Also from Whitecaps if memory serves
I would say that might be one of the most brave scenes in television history. The way it just attacks the lies and copes we tell ourselves so relentlessly. The Wire never sticks its neck out like this.
Sopranos does a great job of capturing a lot of America but not in a very fulfilling way. Take pic related. She was an excellent and accurate portrayal of the deterioration of someone with mental illness under new stresses. But they didn’t do anything with her arc. She disappears halfway through the season she’s in (after introducing Meadow to ecstasy) and shows up at the end at the hospital apparently much more mentally stable. Okay? What happened that made her better? What did she do? We’ll never know. The Sopranos seems almost anti-good storytelling at points, while David Simon’s autism made sure every Wire plot thread was tied together at the end.
Meanwhile we have five whole seasons of Bubbles trying to get clean, seeing so much horrific shit, the descent into Hell with Hamsterdam, Johnny just casually OD'ing at a random point in season 3, it's all the people that slip through the cracks around characters and their realistic slow but sure ladder climb out of squalor that makes The Wire great.
My favorite example of this is Dee Dee. She was in three scenes in the entire show and still had a complete arc.
>season 3: seen buying coke in hamsterdam
>season 4: is a hooker
>season 5: is clean and shares her experience to help people
https://www.cbr.com/the-wire-complete-story-arc-dee-deer/
>Italian mayor, huh?
>I know just the guy
Carcetti's run was the best part of his character for me, he became a wetwipe as soon as he was in office, I know it was to prove a point about city level politics but even so.
Mayor Royce! I’m Car-Cet-Tay.
Anyone else just love Black folk and put Black folk on their television and start threads about Black folk on Cinemaphile?
Fedposting heavy on Wire threads because it's one of a few shows that demonstrates the ways of your handlers.
I bet you smell like shit. Go take a shower and brush your teeth
I never understood why they didn’t execute people from a distance, like with a hunting rifle. Trying to take out Avon? Snipe him from three blocks away. Running up on someone w a handgun seems moronic.
Concealment, even if you hit a guy from three blocks away the sound of the shot is going to have local law enforcement on you in a few seconds and if the cops see you walking around with a huge fricking remington or one disassembled in a suitcase (if you could even do that in time) you're just going to get arrested.
Just throw the gun off like they did a bunch of times in the show.
Pistols are cheap, easy to carry and easy to dispose. They never keep guns between hits, so they want something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to use. Most of the soldiers also seem to get very little real training, so none are taught to snipe. A lot of them are fricking terrible shots and focus more on raw firepower than precision. Finally, sniping someone actually brings more police attention because of how OOC it would be for a gang.
Like, you could hire a sniper, but you'd need to find one, which means probably some conversations on the phone the police can trace, and Avon at least was pretty paranoid about that shit.
Also actually going after the head of another organisation is pretty rare, the kingpins liked to be able to have sitdowns and so on without being killed. A perk of the rank.
i said this before but there's so many terrible actors in The Wire that you barely notice or look past because the character itself is so good. there are some great actors too of course.
I honestly have no complaints about the acting at all except McNulty’s season 1 accent in places.
Bodie is the soul of The Wire, he represents the struggle of trying to be something and failing, for whatever reason that may be.
Absolutely based Bodie appreciator
Glad someone loves BBC as much as me.
His final scene was probably top five in the show, he couldn't be anything other than a pawn in the end, couldn't move from his single spot, but he held out against it, sunk cost fallacy, sad.
And Marlo’s crew moves with bishop and knight patterns.
Kind of gay someone from Marlo just happened to be watching when McNulty walked Bodie out of the station.
I just hecking love BBC
Mental illness, obsession even, I can't imagine how sad a life of chimping out every time you see a black person must be.
>everytime I see a black person I think of wiener
You sure owned us epic style
If you're a fan I recommend "And All the Pieces Matter" has a lot of fun stuff, like the fact that "I can't wait to go to jail" was improvised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2h9mCZuVG4
He black.
His scene with Cutty is one of my all time favorite moments. Cutty was so nervous and for no reason. Avon was a pretty good guy.
Well this thread went to shit. I'm going to start a blacked.com thread. Cya boys there
>proud union man doing what he can to save his brothers and his community
He deserved better.
>you can’t get a job outside my union because… YOU JUST CAN’T OKAY??
He was a moron who made the lives of everyone he cared about worse, and he never actually did any work until he was about to get arrested. I hope his death was slow.
helping to import massive amounts of heroin into Baltimore probably wasn't great for his community
>You know what the trouble is, Brucie? We used to make shit in this country. Build shit. 40 years ago, America was the #1 manufacturing country in the world. This year, America is still the #1 manufacturing country in the world. I forgot where I was going with this or what it has to do with me bribing politicians with money I got from trafficking dead hookers.
The war really fricked up ole zig.
he's the king
na he's just a gangsta i suppose
>McNulty's fake funeral
Name a more SOVLFVLL scene in tv
the death of bodie broadus
True, this, Nulty's funeral and the apartment shootout with Omar where Chris does that Rook run down the hallway are all peak SOVL.
Thank you the Wire for getting me into the Pogues.
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Kenard. Nothing but disrespect, stealing, drug dealing. Good little niglet
hell be buggered in baby booking and come out the next chris
come at da kang
u best not miss
>come on avon, open the fricking door.
still makes me kek when he laughs at the casualness of it