Why is Hollywood afraid to tackle Byzankino?

Why is Hollywood afraid to tackle Byzankino?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Byzantines were probably even worse to the israelites than the Latins

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      holy based

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No they weren't and you are a moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The average amerimutt doesn't know shit about them, or really anything about late antiquity and the medieval period outside of western Europe. In twelve years of grade school history classes, I don't think the Byzantines were mentioned once.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      In middle school history i read the entire book front to back and loved the ERE era most. Worst timeline 🙁

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      USA can't even teach WW2 correctly let alone medieval history. The Eastern front is not taught at all and D-Day is basically considered the Battle at the Black Gate from LOTR.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe if the Russians could have actually supported their own war effort, instead of desperately needing Lend-Lease on account of communist "economics"...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's also why you can't do an eastern front movie in Hollywood, because it doesn't conform to the American perception of WW2 as a heroic asskicking adventure across the pond.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What about movies about the 6 million

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >In twelve years of grade school history classes, I don't think the Byzantines were mentioned once.
      I had to study them for European History and mater World History, you self hating homosexual

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        *later

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry I wasn’t an AP nerd

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The American view of history is:
      >bible times
      >romans
      >game of thrones
      >american revolution
      >slavery and civil war
      >ww2/holohoax
      >vietnam

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        All based and accurate

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you forgot about aliens/blacks building the pyramids

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >9/11
        >jan 6
        Updated that for you

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Basically yeah. Public school history is a joke.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Add jim crow they really make sure the hammer home the white guilt

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          This. When I was in HS a decade ago, literally every chapter in my american history textbooks was always some roundabout shit about how blacks are oppressed and whitey is evil. Didn't matter the decade or the subject matter or anything. Every chapter needed it drilled into our heads BLACKS GOOD WHITES BAD. I can only imagine things have gotten worse since then in the textbooks, required reading, etc

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So what? A person should only really be concerned about their nation's history to begin with. If you don't need to know every Black person king of Africa why the frick should I need to know every inbred king of Europe?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Mutts don't even know most of their own history either. Mention manifest destiny or the french and indian war and see the blank look on their faces

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I learned about all of those in school. Try again.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Not being Texan and having a whole class dedicated to state history
        Remember the Aayyylmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm european and I don't know shit about them, other than they were the remnant of the roman empire. We just never covered them in history class other than mentioning that they existed like once.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They were the Roman empire, Byzantine is a name that was retroactively applied by enlightenment scholastics becuase their Venetian israelite masters were jealous that the Eastern Roman Empire was a bastion of civilisation for a 1000 years while the rest of Europe was filled with barbaric warlords.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because the West doesn't want its audiences to know that there was a 1000 year long Christian empire in the East. It blows apart the "Christians started the Dark Age!!!" narrative. I would love to see movies covering East Rome's high points and its fall, starting from Constantine the Great all the way to Constantinople's siege. You could even have a film that covers how the scholars escaping the city's fall ultimately started the Renaissance in the West. Aw man it would be awesome and that's why it will never be made or be done any justice whatsoever

      >Hollywood
      Try all Western History.
      They pretend like it never existed despite lasting 1000 years.

      Yep...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Average Americans think Rome only lasted until 476, actually who am I kidding they don't know shit about Rome

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Average Americans think Rome only lasted until 476
        that's very generous of you

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Uhhhhh that CESAR guy killed Rome and shiet

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Real homies know Rome lasted until 480. Justice for Nepos!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >twelve years of grade school
      Shit how old were you when you got to middle school?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesnt know teachers lurk here

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It destroys their entire "Muslims are le innocent peaceful indigenous peoples" narrative.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on what story you are telling, venetians did most of the damage

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      THIS. If they told the history of The Eastern Roman Empire they would have to show how endlessly evil Islam is. Also they would have to show a Civilization that was wealthier than any other in the world and more advanced than any in the world at a time when liberals in the media still want to sell the false atheist /enlightenment idea of a " Dark Ages ". If they show Eastern Rome the myth of the Dark ages disappears.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Hollywood
    Try all Western History.
    They pretend like it never existed despite lasting 1000 years.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >1000 years
      Try >2,500.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        try 4.400

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >4.400
          is >2,500

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No because we need another movie about Vikings instead

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Varankino? I like the cut of your jib anon

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I was trying to diss the saturation of Viking related media but that would be awesome, yes.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think I remember reading a graphic novel years ago about an Orkney viking who comes home from serving in the Varangian guard and gets involved in vendettas and power struggles against other local strongmen. It was pretty good, I liked the whole kind of Rambo-esque setup where the protagonist comes back to small town fights after being off in a distant land. Can't for the life of me remember what it was called though, but I remember thinking it would have made a good film or series.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Northlanders and it was a great fricking comic. More specifically Sven the Returned story. It was basically and anthology series about various Viking stories.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Americans literally know nothing about Byzantine history and care even less to learn. Furthermore Chinese audiences give no shits about any historical epic that doesn't include them. European audiences are hit or miss. So given the choice between spending a shitzillion to make a capeshit with universal moron appeal or a film with iffy prospects across the biggest markets, what do you think is the safer investment?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >give no shits about any historical epic that doesn't include them
      Dragon Blade is Roman-kino. They should also do War of the Heavenly Horses

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i really don't wanna be a conspiracy theorist about this
    but goddamn its fricking weird how memoryholed ERE seems to be in western culture

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I made this pepe like 6 years ago, I'm glad it's still being used. In a few months I'm starting a PhD focused on Byzantium

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No. I made it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Here's the thread where I originally posted it. Amusingly someone made this exact same joke there with my older version
        http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/66903223/#66906192

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >anzu
          WE NEED TO GO BACK

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nice. How'd you achieve the mosaicing effect?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Just used a filter in Gimp (Filters->Distorts->Mosaic)

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Using HBO Rome as a template, how would (you) do a Byzantine show?

    >Two soldiers are caught up in the historical events of an era
    >Historical event would you cover?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      First season is Justinian's reign. Main character is Belisarius, we follow him from the nika riots to the reconquest of italy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously the story of the Last Roman, Belisarius. Theres just so much shit there, even a natural phenomenon

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >belaisarius
        >last roman
        That’s not my homie flavius aetius

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't wanna redo Rome but with Byzantines(even though that's completely appropriate). I'd instead do a 12-14 episode miniseries with about 1 hour episodes covering different people in different epochs of the Empire, usually with stories showing perspectives of people on events. Let different writers make it an anthology of small stories about small people adjacent to big people or involved in big events to give us writing freedom using made up people. Give the every man's perspective on why we're being sacked/sieged for the umpteenth time and how we plan to survive, or what this new emperor is up to. Use the historical events to tell a story, not be the story. I wish there were more series like this.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wars of the diadochi, licence to print endless kino. You could even do flashbacks to the campaigns of alexander and big phil

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      A Byzantine soldier befriends a captured Sassanid and it follows their friendship throughout Maurice's reign, the complete execution of Maurice and his entire family by Phocas and his renewed war against the once-allied Sassanids, and ends with a shot of a sea of crescent standards in the desert

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Reminds me of a real anecdote about the twin towns on the Euphrates that marked the border between Byzantium and Persia
        When the Arabs rushed from the desert and attacked the Sassanid border guard detachment, the Byzantine commander and his troops crossed the river to join their erstwhile enemies and fought to the last man against the Muslims

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bulgar slaying and blinding.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >kino about pious Christians constantly being invaded hordes of Muslims looking to murder and enslave people
    Never. Gonna. Happen.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but you have pre-Islam wars with Persia, steppe hordes attacking (Huns, PechBlack folk, Avars etc.), Bulgar wars, Rus conflicts/alliances, Varangian guard pov, politics on the throne, Norman invasions, religious/philosophical opportunities, biopic about Simeon the Sylite etc.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The final Byzantine-Sassanid war is some of the most insane shit in history. It's filled with Game of Thrones level intrigue and sudden reversals (including an actual Red Wedding where one of the Persian princes murdered his father and all his brothers) but all real

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Also literally consumed two empires over multiple generations and allowed the rise of the Arabs

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ~~*Hollywood*~~ hates Christianity.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That explains why they hate Mel Gibson

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's all Greek to me.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hollywood's unwillingness to deal with history outside of a few narrow spheres of interest honestly enrages me. We'll see a hundred more movies about Nigerian-Brits flynning in some dreary 13th-century castle before we get one goddamned Byzantine movie.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why can't they just make movies that take place in black spheres of the world? Why do they just keep rehashing medieval Europe and cram black people in it?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because the blacks didn't write anything down.
        No records, no history. We barely know anything about sub-Saharan history.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but what about the Ethiopians or the Moops?

          Didn't they write shit down?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The Moops passed down their written records in the Trivial Pursuit tome.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              MOORS

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                MOOPS

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They’re making a movie about the dahomey amazons right now
        Yes the same dahomey whose black king was one of the last to resist the abolishment of the slave trade by the brits

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        that'd be nice. African history was largely oral but it doesn't mean that it didn't exist and still survives in the myths and folklore.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because like Byzantium, African history doesn't even exist for the majority of morons in the US.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          African history doesn’t exist period

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            *sub saharan

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Don't forget East Coast/Horn. Some good history there.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Kushite history is real and interesting. South of that is broadly irrelevant until what, Shaka?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Swahilis had pretty vibrant trade culture in the Medieval era. Mosques, libraries, spices.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because the whole point of propaganda is to frick you

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It will be focus in one of the empress... you should know what that means.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    their history was never really taught. the first I ever read about them was in my encyclopedia as a kid. even that wasn't much, maybe a page.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    is the Secret History true or one big shitpost by Procopius?

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I remember a college class that compared three different empires (Inca, Venetian, Byzantine). The book about the Byzantines was very eye-opening, and as a Western Christian it was my first encounter with the Ecumenical Councils. My journey to Orthodoxy has its seeds there.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Venetian Republic/Maritime Republics are hyper-underrated.

      If I were to be a conspiracy theorist I think that the reason they don't get taught about more is because they basically show that republics were a thing throughout the entirety of the Medieval period and that disrupts the "MUH ENLIGHTENMENT" propaganda of the Middle Ages as just a feudal theocratic shithole.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Any history enjoyer can tell me when they stopped being or feeling Roman? We always talk about the fall of the roman empire but in reality, the eastern part continued for almost a thousand years after the fall of the west. Did they consider themselves "roman" after the fall of the west??

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They considered themselves roman to the very end. In fact, the turks adopted the name from them and called asia minor the sultanate of rum (rome)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah they called themselves basileion rhomaion for a while, which is Greek for Roman empire

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They considered themselves “Roman” in name basically the entire time, which shouldn’t be surprising seeing how every culture within a thousand miles of Italy tried to stylize themselves as Roman. Realistically I think the drift from classical Rome started with the advent of Christianity, there was no way to recapture or fully regain that spirit when so much of the Roman ethos was tied up in pagan values. I’d argue once Islam arrived on the scene and beat them down, there wasn’t much of a tie to the Roman aura of invincibility and longevity; losing historical provinces like Syria and Egypt was a huge blow to legitimacy and continuity. So I’d say by 700 or so the term Roman had probably lost most or all of its meaning even to people high up in the bureaucracy.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This is an interesting take but by your metric Roman lost meaning by 220 or so

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I only meant that Christianity started the break from Roman-ness, but by the 300s and so I think that’s true, the point of no return had been crossed. It’s not that the concept of being Roman was gone that early, but the root of its spirit in pagan rites, military duty and political service was replaced by a loyalty that lay separate from the state, even after Constantine. It seriously weakened the institutions that defined Rome, and so all that was really left post-fall was the sense of superiority and history, which then fell apart along with the rest of the empire throughout the 600s.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      In the sense of feeling a particular affiliation with the Tiber and Latinity, fairly early – they phased out Latin in the 500s and basically dispensed with any remaining trappings of Roman republicanism. On the other hand they strongly identified as Roman in the sense of being the heirs of the Mediterranean empire, Christianity, and civilization as they understood it. Informally they called their land "Romania", and "Roman" (Greek Rhomaios, Arabic/Turkish Rumi) remained the local ethnonym for Greeks through the whole Ottoman period. It wasn't until the 19th century, under Romantic influence, that the Greeks started to revive nostalgia for their old pre-Roman heritage, and the independentists struggled to convince Greeks that they were "Hellenes" because that word had basically come to mean "pagan" in their understanding.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Hellene/Romaioi split kind of already existed in the Byzantine Greek-speaking world. Peninsular Greece never really considered itself Roman, especially the interior parts. Constantinople wasn't strictly Greek, although the Greek language was its lingua franca, a lot of the people who settled there when Constantine expanded Byzantion were in fact ethnic Romans and Italians.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't call themselves Greeks (Hellenes) until the 19th century

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      even as late as the early 1800s, shortly before the greek war of independence and the formation of the modern greek state,
      if you asked an ethnically greek citizen of the ottoman empire what their ethnicity was,
      they would answer "Ρωμιός" (Roman).

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Before Greek nationalism gained traction in the 19th century, Greeks still called themselves Romans. And the Ottoman word for their Greek subjects is a Turkish word for Romans.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >live in US
    >mention I'm Orthodox
    >people literally don't even know wtf I'm talking about

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I know that feel, brother.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw three orthodox churches in my city
      Our power is growing

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        There are a ton where I live in SGV

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    not a thing in pophistory so no audience

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What's so special about the Byzantines? They lost all their lands to Slavs and Muslims, until struggling to hold on to Constantinople for 500 years

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Most empires don't survive a few hundred years, the byzantines held on for a thousand on top of the 500 yeras of the WRE

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Holy Roman Empire lasted from the 900s to early 1800s

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Secular German Clusterfrick
          FTFY

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >holy
          >roman
          >empire

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I haven't seen this meme in ages lol

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There isn't a more reddit ""empire"" in history than Byzantium

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather we do one on the Visigoths featuring:

    >Radha Mitchell
    >Antje Traue
    >Robert Carlyle
    >Karl Urban
    >Kevin McKidd
    >Jonathan Rhys Meyers
    >Scott McElroy
    >Marton Csokas
    >Eva Green
    >Sadwyn Brophy
    >Jeanne Goursaud

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    there already is true Byzantium kino tho :^)

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What went wrong?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      christsisters...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Crisis of the third century

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >all the Christians have cuckface
      Christiantroonybros…

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Christian Rome is way more interesting imo

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Too busy trolling the christcuck cattle with Hollywood blockbusters.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is Hollywood afraid to tackle Byzankino?
    cant even get any really good youtube byzantine content

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw dovahatty ended his byzantine series

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what? why?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He got up to the part with first caliphate and didn't want a muzzie backlash

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            but he makes a vid on Israel? tf

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              He kissed israels ass for 10 mins straight

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I KNOW IT WAS GAY

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        we truly live in the darkest timeline

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cast him

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously Christian Bale

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's not about fear, OP. It's about profit, and Byzantines don't equal money.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The only actual Byzantine movie I know of is the terrible 60s German-Italian history picture Kampf um Rom with Orson Welles as Justinian
    It's about the Gothic War but completely changes the history

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There's also a couple of scenes in the Message which show the court of Heraclius against a terrible backdrop of the interior of Hagia Sophia, but besides that the costumes look accurate enough.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      mmmmWWUAHH THE GOTHS

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The movie about Justinian II would be unbelievably epic and based.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      My mother named me after him.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Based mom

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Western Europeans are afraid today they might not be the real Europeans, especially after the modern era.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They hate Orthodox Christians and Emperor Constantine. They also want to remove anything Greek from that era and call it Roman. Who copied everything from Greece.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it Nikephoros "White Death of the Saracens" Phokas

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Justinian did nothing wrong.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He married a prostitute thespian

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    you would have to portray christians as good guys

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is all this Byzantine circle jerking some new /misc/ meme or something? Every Byzantineboo seems like it all comes back to some Christian utopia fantasy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      People have been rediscovering the eastern Roman empire just like they did the Western Roman empire. It's not this website.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Its just that its an ignored part of history. Most people think the empire ended in the 400s, which isn't the case.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      christians to atheists are like trannies to /misc/. you are obsessed and see your little boogeyman behind everything

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Muh Christianity
        So it is some muh former glory /misc/ tier shit

        Don't forget the Iconoclasm on the level of Muslims

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >doubles down on his weird seething obsession

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          who gives a shit? give me a single spotless period of history where human beings didn’t genocide and destroy shit. there isn’t one. at least christians left a load of beautiful poetry and art

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          More like the Muslims copying that shit like they did everything else

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      byzaboos have been a constant force since like 2013 where have you been
      >Cinemaphile - Television and Film
      ah fair, I forgot where we were

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why do muslims ruin everything, bros?

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I always feel envious whenever I see anons discussing cool history stuff on this type of threads.
    It makes me feel so ignorant; what little I know myself comes from randomly jumping around through wikipedia pages on bored evenings.

    Where do I even start to learn about a period in depth? Should I just consume history books in my spare time?

    More importantly I'm worried where to look for unbiased information. Literally every documentary I've watched that wasn't nature-themed was insultingly influenced by current worldview politics and had an obvious narrative to push.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      All sources are biased, we don’t have color footage of everything that ever happened with transcripts of every conversation. For many people who enjoy history that’s part of the fun, getting glimpses of reality and piecing together the truth. The best I can say is to just start, podcasts if you don’t have the attention for reading in your dopamine addled brain yet, popsci and history if you can’t handle more academic sources. But if you start learning you’ll find that more sources and more information will naturally flow as you seek more stories.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Always look into the the author/historian and decide for yourself if they are talking out their ass or not. The same can be said of historians of their time, like procopius, who would tell two separate accounts at the same time.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

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