Why is it so hard to write Shadow.

Why is it so hard to write Shadow.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it isn’t. it is just that sega wants him to be vegeta 2.0

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Why?
        >Why is Sonic Team run by morons
        Truly is a mystery anon

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Why?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That’s not even an answer stupid ass

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Because vegeta is so popular, Toriyama went from "Hes gonna be a one-off guy that gets killed" to "Goku is now permanently stuck with him, and Picolo gets shafted in not getting that role"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Toriyama went from "Hes gonna be a one-off guy that gets killed"
          Wasn't the plan to make him a rival from the beginning?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Only for a arc or two at most. He modeled Vegeta after his old Dorm/room-mate that he hated.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Only for a arc or two at most
              That makes it sound like the plan was to have him die in the Frieza Saga, not be a one-off villain.
              Does anyone know what exactly Toriyama said about Vegeta's creation?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              As said in

              Frick no, Toriyama is notorious for not planning for shit when it comes to Dragon Ball. He literally spent most of the series making it up as he went along, and it really shows in a lot of areas.

              http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-2-akira-toriyama-super-interview/

              >Yeah, I guess I like Piccolo the most after all. Out of all the enemies, Demon King Piccolo is the one I like most, and even after that I like Piccolo the most. I like Piccolo about the same as I like Goku. With Vegeta, well, I don’t like him all that much, but he was extremely helpful to have around.
              also

              Because vegeta is so popular, Toriyama went from "Hes gonna be a one-off guy that gets killed" to "Goku is now permanently stuck with him, and Picolo gets shafted in not getting that role"

              is a Panel from a Aniversary manga he did. So its his words there too. Lemme see if I can find the full page.
              But yeah chances are if Vegeta wasnt so popular he would have died permanently on namek

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Frick no, Toriyama is notorious for not planning for shit when it comes to Dragon Ball. He literally spent most of the series making it up as he went along, and it really shows in a lot of areas.

            http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-2-akira-toriyama-super-interview/

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No. Toriyama changed a lot of thing on the fly.
            The best known one was how his editor made him change the Androids final boss several times : Gero and the Fat dude (they look stupid ! Change that !), 17 &18 (what ? Teenagers ? Nah, give me something like Frieza) , then Cell (of course, he can transform).
            The [parentheses parts] are real quote from Torishima, his first editor.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Just like Shadow in a sense.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      isn’t that what knuckles is for?
      kinda confused here.
      not an actual sonic fan and don’t waste my life with furry shit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Knuckles hasn’t been a rival to Sonic in 20 years.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Knuckles is Piccolo

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I was going to say this. Knuckles really fits Piccolo more.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            isn’t that what knuckles is for?
            kinda confused here.
            not an actual sonic fan and don’t waste my life with furry shit.

            Sonic: Goku
            Amy: Chichi
            Knuckles: Piccolo
            Shadow: Vegeta
            Silver: Trunks
            Tails: Krillin

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Tails is obviously Gohan, I have no idea how people can mistake him for Krillin.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It’s just cause he’s the sidekick/best friend

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Krillin was a rival/friend that quickly got powercreeped by Goku, he never saw Goku as a big brother or parental figure.
                It becomes clear if you watch DB.

                He's Bulma. Sonic's first ally that's also an inventor.

                He certainly isn't Bulma because he didn't give any tech support to Sonic during the 2D era.
                He was just the kid character.

                I mean Krillin by the Cell saga was already a married dude, if anything he reminds me of Antoine because both are weak rivals who ended up marrying a blonde robot.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Tails never saw Sonic as a parental figure either.
                and Tails does bring tech support in the 2d era. His emerald radar is literally based off of Bulma's Dragon radar, 1:1
                Tails was always the tech support, he was never just "the kid character". That was only in Archieshit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well if you just want to nitpick my post for your silly argument then you're free to do so.
                But to do so you have to ignore who those characters are and how they behave in their own stories completely.
                Nobody normal will look at Tails and say "Yeah, that's Sonic's Bulma."
                Krillin could make more sense but Tails is too much of a kid, even his origin story involves him being taken under Sonic's wing and seeing in him a role model he wants to emulate.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                and Tails is way too smart to be Gohan, considering he employs tech to boost him in all his combat since Triple Trouble.
                Plus regardless of being a "kid", Tails always took part in the adventures side by side with Sonic, just like Krillin did. His age never affected his actions, which was being the fighting friend since day 1. Unlike Gohan who was never a fighter until he had to be forced into fighting. Tails neevr went under a training arc or any shit to be able to fight, he was fighting as Sonic's partner since the day they met.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody normal will look at Tails and say "Yeah, that's Sonic's Bulma."
                I would, considering, you know, he literally uses tech that's based on Bulma

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Bulma didn't make that, idiot. She reverse engineered it from the Frieza Force.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're looking at two completely different characters with abyssally different personalities and thinking they're the same because of the trinkets they use.

                and Tails is way too smart to be Gohan, considering he employs tech to boost him in all his combat since Triple Trouble.
                Plus regardless of being a "kid", Tails always took part in the adventures side by side with Sonic, just like Krillin did. His age never affected his actions, which was being the fighting friend since day 1. Unlike Gohan who was never a fighter until he had to be forced into fighting. Tails neevr went under a training arc or any shit to be able to fight, he was fighting as Sonic's partner since the day they met.

                Tails smarts don't make him any more mature than Gohan however, but I think you're right when you say that he also doesn't fit Gohan perfectly because he's been adventuring with Sonic from the start.
                At the end I don't think he fits perfectly as any of those characters but if I had to pick one that he would be closer to it would surely be Gohan simply because his character arcs constantly seem to revolve around things like maturing and trying to be more like Sonic. Neither Krillin nor Bulma ever had those types of struggles as defining parts of their characters.

                >weak rivals
                That's your mistake. Up until Buu, Krillin was Goku's best friend.
                Also, while weak compared to Goku, he was still competent. Hell, he carried Namek arc and he's the first one to do great damages to Frieza by cutting his tail.

                >Up until Buu, Krillin was Goku's best friend.
                I agree but they did have a rivalry when they first met in DB.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because of their skillsets*
                Bulma is the genius tech support and vehicle transport. Tails is the genius tech support and vehicle transport.
                Gohan is a moron compared to Tails and has no skill with technology at all. Bulma and Tails have comparable intelligence and ability with tech, and are in fact the people to do with all the protagonists' tech. That's why they're similar.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Even if you want to reduce your comparison to skillsets it still falls apart because Tails not only is able to keep up with Sonic but also go through the same games by himself without any help from extra tech unlike Bulma that was never a fighter like Goku and at best gave support from the sidelines usually with her guns.
                I honestly don't know where you want to get with this.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And to add to this, Tails doesn't have a vegana either. I think.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Tails doesn't have a vegana either.
                >"Not like that has ever stopped me"
                >t. Sonic

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sonic is for Shadow

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's more accurate to say that he's a composite of Krillin and Bulma

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                More like Gohan and Bulma, he literally was an inspiration for the creation of Tails, Krillin was a non-factor.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He was an inspiration for Tails and Sonic’s intended relationship. That’s like saying Sonic is based on Piccolo because that’s what the guy said as well.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He was an inspiration for Tails and Sonic’s intended relationship. That’s like saying Sonic is based on Piccolo because that’s what the guy said as well.

                Krillin has more in common with him. Tails was never Sonic’s student, or trainee, or son. He’s Sonic’s old friend and partner from their first adventures. That’s Krillin.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Krillin despite being a midget was always Goku's peer in terms of age and general maturity, but got quickly powercreeped as Goku grew stronger through the series.
                Tails is full of potential, shown by how he can keep up with Sonic's speed despite being younger, his development doesn't come from him training and becoming stronger but by learning from Sonic's example how he should be and act.
                Sonic absolutely is Tails mentor, not in a formal way but in a traditional one where he teaches through example and this is one of the reasons Tails follows him in the first place, so he can learn how to be more like Sonic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Miss bunnie rabbot.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >weak rivals
                That's your mistake. Up until Buu, Krillin was Goku's best friend.
                Also, while weak compared to Goku, he was still competent. Hell, he carried Namek arc and he's the first one to do great damages to Frieza by cutting his tail.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he carried Namek arc
                LOL no, Gohan did more than him

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Vegeta was the MVP but was doing solo for the first half, where Krillin carried the team (&Bulma)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's Bulma. Sonic's first ally that's also an inventor.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This, literally his creator confirmed it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                *Kitsune is japanese for two-armed fox! - Editor

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because he’s a pathetic cuck like Krillin. Even Gohan at his lowest isn’t as lame as Tails.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                careful you'll upset the people who live vicariously through him and draw him bang/ing all the girls who in canon barely talk with him...though you are wrong in him being lame

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How is Krillin a cuck? He has a solid job, a hot wife, and a daughter of his own. If you wanted to go purely by being pathetic, Tails would be Yamcha or Tien.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I was going to say this. Knuckles really fits Piccolo more.

          Thought his new modern archtype is the "Local moron" of the current cast.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          he really fricking his
          >former mc rival replaced by a rival much more similar to the mc
          >bit of loner who still hangs out with his friends a lot
          >associated with magical stone(s)
          >vaguely black (not really for piccolo but that jokes been there for him for years)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Sonic is Goku
            >Shadow is Vegeta
            >Silver is Trunks
            >Knuckles is Piccolo
            >Tails is Bulma
            >Kit and Surge are the Androids

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

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              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's just pointing out the how they're made you moronic jiggaboo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >don’t waste my life with furry shit.
        And yet, here you are anyways,

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >it is just that sega wants him to be vegeta 2.0
      Worse, they want him to be Meme Vegeta .

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Which Vegeta are they even imitating? His characterization has grown considerably by now.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cell Saga Vegeta
        The token douchebag teammate whose ego ends up exacerbating the problem for both himself and everyone else.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm the ultimate lifeform, I'm the coolest, eat my shit and suck my--
          >AAAAAAH NO DON'T COVER ME WITH ROBOT CUM, I DON'T WANT ROBO AIDS, SAVE ME SONIC

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Shadow NO!
          >"SHADOW YEEEES!"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          In other words, throwing his character arc from SA2 out the window.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >it isn’t. it is just that Sega wants him to be like he is in every single video game he's ever been featured in.
      Fixed.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        nope

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he isn't. Vegeta is a manlet who sulks in the corner and will always be inferior to goku. Shadow has always been portrayed as on Sonic's level if not greater in skill, power, and wisdom. Vegeta's aspirations are to overpower goku, Shadow's aspirations change from iteration to iteration.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The IDW comics have him as a malding prideful moron that goes on about being the Ultimate Lifeform like Vegeta goes on about being the Prince of all Saiyans.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This is why I wish they allowed Metal Sonic to speak more. Have him be the malding one with the autistic desire to defeat Sonic (since, you know, that's literally why he was created) and give Shadow his old characterization back

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Shadow his old characterization back
            Shadow is still the same brooding unpleasantly prideful loner he started off as in SA2.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, that was Shadow until 2006 or so. Since then he's just meme Vegeta.
          Boom even made fun of this when he said "you're a disgrace for the hedgehog race Sonic !".

          Is this all stuff in the comics? cause in the games he does not come off that way. Also are the comics cannon? seems like most people into sonic don't even read the comics

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Asking about canon in Sonic is your first mistake

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The games just don't use him anymore.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              well aside from the Tv shows and the games where else is he depicted? the comics?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, that was Shadow until 2006 or so. Since then he's just meme Vegeta.
        Boom even made fun of this when he said "you're a disgrace for the hedgehog race Sonic !".

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So they want him to be a good character? Why aren't they writing him that way?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        vegeta isn't a good character gtfo weeaboo

        https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/(8)Shadow_the_Hedgehog_vs_(9)Ness_2018

        who are these people and why should I care? there i no poll lol

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >vegeta isn't a good character gtfo weeaboo
          you take that back.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >using the opinions of Mexicans as a way to discern taste
            Anon you are proving my point

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Mexicans are the truest fans of Dragonball you dumbass

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                so I will not be listening to their opinions on Vegeta because he is a shit character.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              the opinions of Mexicans as a way to discern taste
              Worse, Argentinos jajaja

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There's no distinction between a Mexican and an Argentinian. All Latinos are Mexican. Unless they're Brazilian, in which case they may or may not be Russian.

                I like it, but the worlds are kind of barren but the character interactions are what we are here for anyway and they are top tier, also the action is good.

                Sounds like the IDW run. Is Potto writing this, too?

              • 1 year ago
                Boco

                >Is Potto writing this, too?

                Worse, Man of Action.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Never heard of them before.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Action_Entertainment
                >Founded by the guy who wrote early 00s Superman
                >Ben 10
                >Avengers EMH
                >Mega Man: Fully Charged

                Not seeing the issue here.
                Also, Megaman had a recent cartoon? I never knew that before.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's an advisor on it actually

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      A good dad?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        One that beats kids from the future

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically TGT is my favorite versions of him. The random try hard edge mixed with subtle moments of softness is so god damn good.
    In one panel, he'll call someone a fat fricking batsard and then stab them to death laugh, and then in the next, he's knitting a sweater.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Archie comics Shadow was a pussy.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No he wasn't you fricking moron.
        >Shadow gets captured by Locke, immediately breaks out and kicks his ass
        >Team Dark beats Faust
        >Shadow is the only character to hurt Enerjak
        >Shadow trashes Snively’s Egg Lobster in one hit when it was beating up Knuckles
        >Shadow beats up Sonic in an even fight during the Not!Gamma arc
        >Shadow effortlessly trashes Team Rose and curbstomps Amy in Treasure Team Tango
        >Shadow and Sonic and Scourge effortlessly beat Octobot and Crocbot (Tails’ villains) while every other vharacter, Tails included, sits on the sidelines and cheers about how amazing and cool and better than them they are
        >Shadow trashes an entire army of Neo Metal Sonics by accident
        >Shadow beats up Eclipse, and then kills Black Death and an entire army of Black Arms during Shadow Fall
        >Shadow fights Knuckles to a standstill even while being mindfricked by Eclipse
        >Shadow and Knuckles beat the crap out of Naugus
        Archie Shadow got a bajillion little feats and badass moments, despite being a secondary character in a comic with a billion characters. Half the Freedom Fighters didn't get as many good moments as Shadow, and they were the main cast.

        And yet Shadowgays still b***h because even that wasn't enough.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Locke called him a pussy ass vegetable and not as stronger as Knuckkes with the chaos force
          >He and the rest got as far because Faust fricking held back and didnt thought obliterate them on the spot
          >Shadow did not hurt Enerknux, after that pussy ass chaos blast, he was dowb for the count, Sonic insultrd him for the effort to add insult to injury
          >Beating up Amy Rose and bragging about it is like saying Knuckkes beat up Tails with pride, if Shadow took down Blaze that would be more impressive. Shadow should have took down all three effortlessly, he has time manipulation.
          >Sonic and his recolors bullied a fodder robot, but Shadow got rocked by Scorge twice even with Sonics help.
          >Shadow and Metal Sonic job the same as each other so whatever
          >Shadow kamikazed Eclipse and nearly died if Rouge didnt save his sorry emo ass, the fact that Shadow had to struggle against a oppennt weaker than Scourge and Sonic is an insult to his character
          >Shadow got tossed and roughed up the most and his teleport spam was countered to the point he got thrown to another side of the fricking land like a football, he was Knuckles b***h and only a homosexual like Ian Flynn would fricking write Knuckles being more based than Shadow, hes Ians favorite character also
          >Nagus is weak, even Bunnie kicked his ass

          Shadow was a total punk and crybaby jobber. He only got two good moments and(Beating Sonic and being king of mobius) thats it. He was worthless and lame and many characters like Sonic made fun of him for it. That is not the Shadow i know and loved.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Locke's headcanon
            >Faust is a God and Team Dark still punked him
            >Enerjak is also a God and even Super Sonic couldn't beat him
            >Amy is a main cast member and there was a massive chaotic battle with her, Blaze, and the Babylon Rogues going on
            >Scourge is Sonic with a power boost
            >killed a WHOLE ARMY of Metal Sonics
            >Eclipse can cancel out most of Shadow's abilities and still lost
            >Eclipse can cancel out most of Shadow's abilities and he still fought Knux to a draw
            >Naugus is a powerful wizard who was mindfricking Omega and Shadow explicitly couldn't use Chaos blast without bringing the cave down on them, also Bunnie is a powerful cyborg
            All of your points are just whiny nitpicks and expecting Shadow to be an unstoppable Mary Sue.

            I bet you're a big Steven Seagal fan.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Locke is pretty much ken penders/writer in disguse
              >Team Dark couldnt overwhelm him or rival him, while Faust was toying with them and not taking them seriously, they were the punks trying to get one over hin instead of actually intimadating him and being writen as capable of fighting him equally on their own terms, if Shadow had all 7 chaos emeralds to begin with, this wouldnt be a challenge for Team Dark
              >Amy is the the weakest of the main cast, even in archie where she got a buff with the iron king she should not even convienance Shadow or Omega, hell all against him, none of them can stop Shadow freezing time and killing them instantly
              >Shadow is Sonic with a power boost and somehow dbz like power like zenkai and more anime bullshit, Scourge being only Sonic shouldnt be enough.
              >Metal Sonic armies have been soloed by Sonic before, nothing special
              >Eclipse has not the speed or raw power to even slow Shadow down. And against it was a one sided beatdown from Knuckles ones he said Sonic was stronger.
              >Shadow should have the power to counter nagus skills with chaos powers and ya know raw plot breaking spèed/power being as fast as Sonic.

              Shadow has to be nerfed to have other characters go toe yo toe with him equally or better than him since all his powers and capabilities arent used in the comic to their fullest extebt while several other characters get non canon buffs and all sorts of pis power ups that make them as broken as a god an stronger than shadow normally is. Only Sonic sboukd scale to Shadow, not anyone else.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Only Sonic should scale to Shadow, not anyone else.
                This. He's the 2nd most powerful character for a reason.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >This. He's the 2nd most powerful character for a reason.

                >power levels
                >in a series of platforming games where the goal is to run

                And you wonder why nobody likes Shadow.

                back to Cinemaphile you disgusting slug

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >And you wonder why nobody likes Shadow.

                He still remains the second most popular character in the series friend.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >back to Cinemaphile you disgusting slug
                But I ALREADY KISSED MY WIIIIIFEEE!!!!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Penders is a shit writer and his opinion shouldn't be taken seriously, Faust was a fricking God who can nullify Shadow's chaos powers, Scourge IS Sonic (who you admitted should scale to Shadow), and Eclipse was nullifying Shadow's Chaos powers during his fights with Shadow and Shadow's fight with Knux, and Naugus' magic powers are pretty vague in the reboot.

                Shadow is repeatedly fighting enemies that are nerfing him, and still winning. It's not as bad as you're saying.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Scourge IS Sonic (who you admitted should scale to Shadow)
                Not that anon, but yes, you're correct on all points. Finally somebody says this and the obvious. Ultimate lifeforms naturally and artificial are the peak of sonic powerlevels.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Locke is pretty much ken penders/writer in disguse
                I thought Locke was Penders' personification of his daddy issues?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Shadow and Omega and Rouge all canonically got beat up by Team Chaotix, who won their fight in Heroes.
            Your problem is you can’t cope with your self-insert not being treated as a powerfantasy that he most definitely is not supposed to be.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Shadow and Omega and Rouge all canonically got beat up by Team Chaotix
              Prove it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Shadow and Omega and Rouge all canonically got beat up by Team Chaotix, who won their fight in Heroes.
              Need a citation for that one.
              t. Chaotix fan

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >only a homosexual like Ian Flynn would fricking write Knuckles being more based than Shadow
            Knuckles IS more based than Shadow

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed.
      >he'll call someone a fat fricking batsard
      See I dont know if thats a typo or not and thats what makes it great
      Lazerbot is a true Outsider Artist that took his sudden fame, criticism and influx of comments and tppk it all to heart but in a good way. Hes basically opposite Chris-Chan

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    His whole character was used in one game
    He should've stay dead

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Why?

      It almost seems like even that's been taken away from him. Nowadays he apparently only cares about "fighting strong opponents" and doesn't give a shit about anything else.

      He literally doesn't care about anyone or anything, and basically has no reason to do anything other than brood on clifftops all day.

      The real reason is that SonicTeam are run by a bunch of fricking otaku whose boner for stupid space monkeys rivals that of Mexicans. So that autism bleeds into their series of kids platformers about cartoon hedgehogs.

      If you ask Izuka what he wouls rather be doing, it would most likely be on the dev team of DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 4 than making another Sonic game

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    don't post my goth boyfriend ever again

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because they won't let him be anything but hedgehog Vegeta.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I always thought he acted like Kaiba

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Kaiba is 99% autism, 1% angst. Vegeta and shadow are closer to 50/50.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          God I fricking love Kaiba

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because Shadow was created with one arc in mind but then they brought him back and didn't know what to do with him beyond being "edgy sonic"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      People who say this are morons poisoned by memes. Shadow was never edgy outside of his own game.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He was a nothing character like everyone else in Heroes
        He was alright in 06, maybe a bit angsty with the whole humanity betraying him plot point but still decent
        Everything since he's just been emo Sonic/shitty Vegeta

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >He was alright in 06

          Shadow could be considered the main character of 06, since he was the only one actually doing anything related to the game's actual plot. Sonic was focused strictly on Elise while Silver was trying to figure out what ruined the future, Shadow meanwhile was actually investigating the conflict and fighting the actual antagonist.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Shadow’s arc in ‘06 was the only one close to passable, not that it’s saying much.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Shadow was extremely edgy in SA2, even moreso than in his own game.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Kids on Cinemaphile don't know that edgy wasn't an insult in 2001. Sega was catering to the public with Shadow.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Shadow was extremely edgy in SA2, even moreso than in his own game.

        He was edgy in his debut, but in a way that was typical for Japanese villains at the time (See: Sephiroth, Xion in Bloody Roar, Kazuya Mishima, etc.) it was his own game (and to a lesser extent, X) that stained his reputation among the general public as a tryhard "edgelord", that combined with him getting the only halfway decent story in '06 and the damage was already done.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        lol Shadow is black and red, his spikes go up so they're extra spiky and his name is fricking Shadow. He's edgy by design

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It stagnated his versatility to me, removing gun was the best thing for me, no one gives a frick about GUN or humans.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The meta-era turned him into a joke.
    Removing G.U.N. and humans got rid of his purpose.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Shadow's character only ever really shines when he's paired with Cream as a surrogate big brother.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      And when does that ever happen outside of fanmade content?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        so when does he shoot the place up?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The man of Shade

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I like Shadow having a soft spot for kids. Considering his best friend never got the chance to really have one, it makes sense he’d bend over backwards to make a kid, like Cream, happy

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        hot

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Would.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Is this from one of the Sonic X comics? I haven't read apart from the first 2 and the last.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      "do you like it?"
      >the rabbit girl asks innocently.
      >Shadow scowls at the delicate wreath resting upon his brow like a princess's tiara
      >Cheese recoils slightly, worried about Shadow's reaction and what it will do to Cream.
      >Shadow focus on the smiling rabbit
      >his eyes narrow in intensity to pin-pricks
      >he grits his teeth and in a calm voice he declares
      "I love it!"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Shadow's character only ever really shines when he's paired with Cream as a surrogate big brother.

        Shadow being kind to Cream is pure SOVL and KINO certified.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why do all the sonic characters wear mickey mouse gloves and massive clown shoes?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's really just no reason for him to be around. Anything he can do can also be done by other characters.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He’s the one character who dedicated his life to protecting the world. Everyone else are free agents who only take down Eggman because he gets in the way of them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It almost seems like even that's been taken away from him. Nowadays he apparently only cares about "fighting strong opponents" and doesn't give a shit about anything else.

        He literally doesn't care about anyone or anything, and basically has no reason to do anything other than brood on clifftops all day.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          he isn't. Vegeta is a manlet who sulks in the corner and will always be inferior to goku. Shadow has always been portrayed as on Sonic's level if not greater in skill, power, and wisdom. Vegeta's aspirations are to overpower goku, Shadow's aspirations change from iteration to iteration.

          >Sonic's level if not greater in skill, power, and wisdom
          Srarting ti chsnge recently.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >starting to change recently
            is that what you meant?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >He’s the one character who dedicated his life to protecting the world

        Which is why they made him stop that, if hes the only one determined to protector the world, then Sonic wont be much use or have a point when going on all his adventures. Shadow to me was always the anti hero awnser to Sonic, he is a hero but is completely goes about it unconvetionally and ammorally.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Anything he can do can also be done by other characters.
      Like who

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Shoot gun: Omega
        Literally everything else: Sonic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Omega came out in the same game as Shadow, so irrelevant.

          So who else can be the dark rival of Sonic?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Shadow came before Omega did. Who was inspired by Gamma not Shadow.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Omega came out in the same game as Shadow, so irrelevant.
            Shadow debuted in Sonic Adventure 2.
            Omega debuted in Sonic Heroes.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              This should have been the case honestly.
              If Omega were in SA2, sure, you'd never play as eggman, but it would have allowed him to be a major character like shadow and rouge. They could have tied it to the E-Series between 1 and 2 as well. Poor Omega has never been in a successful sonic game with a cohesive story at the same time, and got shafted out of appearing in Sonic X too.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >This fool thinks Heores Shadow onwards was the same one from SA2

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >So who else can be the dark rival of Sonic?

            Question: why the frick do we need a dark rival for Sonic?

            Other Question: Why does he need more rivals? There's too many of them already, and the only thing they can rival him in is being fast. which in that case, makes Eggman his most powerful rival

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >why the frick do we need a dark rival for Sonic?

              Rule of Cool and its more interesting to see the wienery maverik hero get rivaled by the dark and stoic ace showing how far apart yet similar they really are.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >its more interesting to see the wienery maverik hero get rivaled by the dark and stoic ace showing how far apart yet similar they really are.

                once or twice is ok. All the time, and the concept gets stale.

                Better to have a rival that is straight up evil and is so unrepentant & malicious that it makes the hero get serious instead of playing around.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                KOF and most shonen manga disagree

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Other Question: Why does he need more rivals? There's too many of them already, and the only thing they can rival him in is being fast.
              He doesn't need any more rivals, but he could use some more straight-up villains. It's mostly just Eggman and a bunch of one-offs.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Shadow should strive to create his own secret security bureau since G.U.N is corrupt and still hasn't publicly apologized for Maria's political assassination.

  11. 1 year ago
    Boco

    Its easy if you treat him as a joke like Boom did.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. Shadow is a living joke. That's the only way to write him.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Shadow was a joke on Boom
      Boco, i know you have shit taste but you can't think that walking black hole of charisma who ruined 2 Boom finales is actually funny, right?

      The only time Shadow was funny was on Twitter and in the Lego games

      • 1 year ago
        Boco

        HE isn't the source of the comedy. Everyone else's reactions to him is.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    While his character arc definitely concluded with SA2 and he probably should've stayed dead all things considered, I think he's generally just had the misfortune of having been introduced right on the precipice of Sonic's worst decade. I'd really only call Shadow a poorly written character in his own game. Otherwise, it's usually the rest of the game around him that's shitty.

    Sonic 06 is the example that always comes to my mind. The game as a whole is extremely melodramatic and generally moronic, but Shadow himself isn't really handled all that poorly. He's basically a stoic, driven character who doesn't really spend any time moping -- serious, but definitely not edgy. And I think the idea of him working more closely with GUN is a solid direction for the character. It's just that this was happening in a game where a human princess smooches a hedgehog and that's overall extremely unpleasant to play, and those are generally the sorts of games where Shadow takes center stage.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >And I think the idea of him working more closely with GUN is a solid direction for the character.

      How? This shoukd never have haooebed these people killed the one person he loved and generally see him as they originally planned to use him a goverment weapon and grunt. Shadow should not be bound by anyone, that was the point of his own game. Hes too cool and overly competent to be sub servient to GUN.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Literally the next game after 05 he’s working for GUN. That’s his canon charcter. Live with it.

        • 1 year ago
          Boco

          That game doesn't count anymore. Sega's stance now is he's never worked for GUN.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Him working for gun was only temporary, not permenant. Also he never worked for GUN as its been retconed out of existence

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because he has no motivation. In SA2, it was vengeance. In Heroes, it was figuring out who he really was. Then he got his own game and Sega retconned everything out the window. Now he's just... mad I guess?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Besides SA2, I would say the best Shadow depiction afterwards was Battle.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Battle does have a solid Shadow. Unfortunately, I don't have my Sonic folder with me right now, I have some of the great moments screenshoted.
      Also Battle solidifies ShadowXRouge

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >spoiler
        It was a different time... a more innocent one

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't know what to do with the character anymore after SA2.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing for him to do. He just shows up out of nowhere for no reason and leaves. Where does go? What does he do in his down time?
    It's impossible to write a Shadow-centric story because it can never have a proper beginning or an ending. He can only show up in the middle of a story, somehow already knowing what's happening and being angry about something.
    Archie found a good place for Shadow in GUN. We knew where he was in-between the action, he had long term and short term goals, he could join a story with the whys and hows already covered.
    Current Shadow has no context, he just doesn't exist unless the story needs him to. I mean, I know what Rouge is doing when she's not around, she's treasure hunting or doing shady government work. Sonic's a wandering hobo, Tails has his labs, Knuckles is on his island, Amy has multiple hangouts like Cream's house, Big has his hut, the Babylon Rogues have their blimp and they go robbing and shit. The fricking Babylon Rogues are better defined characters than Shadow, think about that.

    Omega has the same problem btw.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >He can only show up in the middle of a story, somehow already knowing what's happening and being angry about something.
      Frick, that is shockingly on point. Forces, IDW, Prime, they all have this exact issue.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Thats easy to justify, he just goes where every sonic goes "coicidently" to stop evil his own way which leads to conflict between him and sonic. He's always been a shadow twin parrelel to Sonic when Sonic needs the stakes to rise or a equal to showcase his true potential.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Easy to justify, sure, but it doesn't make it any less contrived when he doesn't really have much incentive to follow Sonic around. Sonic already has enough stalkers on his team as is.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He doesnt follow Sonic, they just hapoen to bump into to each other as per the narrative beat. Its classic rival showdown plot device, or it allows to introduce Shadow into the main narrative with the main protagonist without it being a character quirk reason.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Current Shadow has no context, he just doesn't exist unless the story needs him to.
      >Sonic's a wandering hobo
      Shadow is also a wandering hobo. He just looks for strong things to fight instead of cool sights and badguys to stop. He's Ryu/Akuma.

      >Omega has the problem.
      He spends his time destroying badniks.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Shadow is also a wandering hobo. He just looks for strong things to fight instead of cool sights and badguys to stop.
        OK, but like, can we see that? A little glimpse of it? Shadow minding his own business before shit goes down? I know Sonic's a hobo with wanderlust because that's how we see him just before Eggman attacks. We've never seen Shadow do anything, even just traveling and fighting for the sake of it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >OK, but like, can we see that? A little glimpse of it? Shadow minding his own business before shit goes down?

          I mean we kinda got that in his own game. He just stands broodily when the camera pans over while Sonic is usually chillin or running instead. After that we got the budget era and Sonic Team can barely string a cutscene together at all. Forces kinda tried to do this but, again, budget. Shit, we haven't seen Sonic do this in years either. He's either at the inciting incident or on the Tornado as the inciting incident occurs.

          Now, if you mean the comics, YEAH! THEY SHOULD DO THAT! I don't think Sega would say no!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think this is why him working with GUN works well, gives him purpose/context he really needs

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Better than him being discount Vegeta and just trying to fight strong people for his pride as the Ultimate Lifeform

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think you bring up a fair point that he really is never in, nor even works, in the beginning or the end, but more in the middle for conflict. He does work better with a “formulated mission” but maybe that was supposed to form a cloud of mystery around him? Adding to his dark Muh-Rea story?

      Either way people think he’s cool, it just somehow works.

      Forces Shadow was not written the same way as IDW Shadow.
      Forces Shadow is weird. In some ways he's actually written closer to Archie Shadow of all things. The DLC even said he was an agent on a mission from some undisclosed organization.

      Have to say his reveal as a bad guy again in Forces was cool when then promos premiered.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Bullshit
    >If faust is that strong, why hed lose to super sonic then
    >og sonic beat scourge so by that measure shadow should be scoruge
    >Eclipse is still weaker or should be inferior to shadow in speed and strength since shadow is equal to sonic in thise categories, no chaos powers needed.
    >thats a good way of putting the entirety of Archie, badly vague.

    Shadow naturally should curbstomp everyone sonic has curbstomped. And he naturally is that powerful in canon with his power,in archie he should be greater than enerjak as the chaos force god.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Faust never even fought or met Super Sonic. You’re not only a seething manbaby, you’re a stupid one too making up your own imaginary problems to cry about.
      Eclipse has stronger powers than Shadow and Omega and said this himself, including in speed and strength. And Shadow can’t use chaos powers because he blocks them. And Eclipse also has mindraping to boot. Eclipse was an objectively superior opponent in every way to Shadow, or to Sonic.
      Shadow got beaten up by a mass-produced copy of Gamma in canon.
      Touch grass, you whiny beta Shadowbitch.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Bullshit
      What, you love Ken Penders?

      >If faust is that strong, why hed lose to super sonic then
      Shadow wasn't in his Super form, and Faust was nullifying his Chaos powers.

      >og sonic beat scourge so by that measure shadow should be scoruge
      Scourge needed his Super form to beat Shadow the second time. The first could be considered jobbing I guess, but Scourge beat Sonic then too.

      >Eclipse is still weaker or should be inferior to shadow in speed and strength since shadow is equal to sonic in thise categories, no chaos powers needed.
      Eclipse is an ultra-powerful alien who was created specifically to counter Shadow, and he still lost.

      >thats a good way of putting the entirety of Archie, badly vague.
      It did a better job with powerlevel bullshit than some western comics do. And since continuity had just rebooted, we didn't have a clear picture of what Naugus could do.

      >And he naturally is that powerful in canon with his power,in archie he should be greater than enerjak as the chaos force god.
      Enerjak is more powerful than Super Sonic. Why would Archie Shadow naturally be able to beat him without a Super-form?

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lets be real there are tons of characters that can overcome archie shadow and eclipse in base. Eclipse wasnt that strong, its just Shadow was that weak compared to everyone else includibg is canon portrayals. Sonic would make short worj of eclipse. Hes beaten a weapon meant to counter his power to plenty of tines with ease.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Eclipse was far stronger than both Omega and Rouge. Archie Sonic only fought 2 robots specifically to counter him: The Egg Beater and Metal 2.5
      Both of them absolutely destroyed Sonic without effort and it wasn’t even close.
      Omega was the third one built specifically to defeat Sonic. If Eclipse trashed Omega, he’d have trashed Sonic too. Shadow tied Sonic before in the golden gamma arc.
      Shadow wasn’t written as weak. He was written exactly how the games write him: as strong as Sonic. Eclipse was simply stronger, and Shadowmanbabies have never coped since because all these years later still none of them have felt the touch of a woman.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Eclispe cant scale to even Eggmans strongest robot and the Metal Sonic troopers, which Shadow one shot, lets not exagerrated, Flynn marty stu'd his Shadow OC in Shadow fall and forgot most of Shadow OP full moveset and capabilties in all his appearances for cheao suspense. Even though Shadow scales to people stronger than Eclispe as a power house

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Eclipse literally oneshotted Omega and tore out his chaos drive in that very story you manbaby idiot. You literally did not even read the story you cry like a b***h about.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone on Sonic and Knuckles level can do the same damn thing. Omegas not that powerful outside of cheap hypeless statements scaling to sealing Shadow in a vague context. Sonic if he fought Eclipse would be too fast and ubpredictable for Eclipse to adapt his forms to, Knuckles with his super inhuman strength and master combat experience would simply overoower Eclipse. Shadow is shown to equal these two evenlly and equally. It makes no sense to be written stronger than the guy whos feat scale to the strongest non god characters in the comic.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Anyone on Sonic and Knuckles level can do the same damn thing.
              So you admit that Eclipse is on Sonic and Knuckles' level.

              Given that he can specifically nerf Shadow's Chaos powers, is it THAT unbelievable that he can take on Shadow?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sonic and Knuckles have done moelre cosmic shit than either Shadow or Eclipse. Even in their base forms their fast enough to beat up god level characters like Nagus and Demtri.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because Sonic and Knuckles had dozens of issues to show off in before Shadow even appeared in the comic?

                Seriously, the comic had been running for years before Sonic Adventure 2 had even come out, Knuckles had his own spinoff, and Shadow doesn't become a recurring character until Issue #124. Of course Sonic and Knuckles are going to have more focus than Shadow.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Theres the problem then, to much escalation between long running characters new characters just seem underwhelming in comparison. Shadow came in hot as one of the heavy in the games but got introduced in a universe where hes a middle tier at best. Maybe because hes scaled to have of Sonics skills they were afraid of buffing him on any level like sonic and knuckles while not being a foundation like those two. If Shadow had became as strong as enerjak and had his own ultra form, long term fans would b***h

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There was nothing wrong with Shadow in the Archie Comics prior to the shift in characterization that came with the Colors writing onward. Shadow and Tails got their shittier personalities (Tails especially in Lost World and Forces) the same time Amy started to get a good one.

    At least Tails got a ton of dialogue in Frontiers more or less acting as an apology for it though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Shadow in the Archie Comics
      Except his overly socially try hard fruendly crybaby nature and losing to people Sonic beat with ease. Sbit taste confirmed.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        When did he lose to anyone that Sonic "beat with ease?" The only dudes that Sonic beat that Shadow lost to were ADAM and Super Scourge, and Sonic had to go Super to beat ADAM and trick Scourge into losing his Super form.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Its bad writing only Sonic is the only person that can fight these villains in Super Form, seriously Shadow was robbed off good final boss moments and hero moments because the super form privilages belonged to Sonic and sometimes Knuckkes. And isnt Shadow supposed be smarter and more strategic than Sonic in the games.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >And sometimes knuckles
            Ironic considering knuckles hasn't been able to be relevent in decades while shadow still gets tag in super mode privilidges in games.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So can someone explain why the frick shadow would ever use a gun?
    Its literally 100 times weaker than any of his attacks while also being functionally lethal at all times, so its also less flexible than any of his abilities.

    Its like giving superman a glock.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason they had him use a motorcycle even though he's faster (both in-game and in-universe) without it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Rule of cool. Why would Sonic need to use Caliburn in Black Knight? He could've solo'd most of the game without him.
      >inb4 King Arthur can't be defeated without muh sword
      Investigate and kill the one who made the clone. Merlina would've been dead to one spindash if she never got the scabberd in the first place.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      because it's cool

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's what made Shad05 so laughable though. It was just a moronic mishmash of everything that was considered cool back in the 2000s.

        See

        Shadow on his own isn't too edgy (Shonen rivals are a thing) but the Shadow video game was.
        >amnesia plot from Jason Bourne
        >cyberspace level like this is the Matrix
        >evil aliens like Halo or Independence Day
        >government conspiracies
        It was like a hackneyed mishmash of everything that was considered cool in the 2000s, with all the sincerity of a Mountain Dew commercial.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh god, dont tell me theres lemons about these two.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm interested for a laugh

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >lemons
        what year is it

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Shadow in a brown cloak
      This awakens my inner 12 year old

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        why is bass.exe so much better than normal bass?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Cyber Akuma/Mewtwo hybrid is cooler than Robo Vegeta

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Normal base is just a whinny b***h who is technologically stronger than MM but comes up short every time.

          Thats worse than vegetia who at least has the excuse of being weaker than Goku.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            In fairness, Bass at least wins fights against robots that aren't Rock.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Speaking of, Shadow never beat any Megaman robot master in the worlds collide side comic, talk about getting fricked over, that comic was just terrible for Shadow and one of the worst moments for comics peroid.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ummm no the comics weren’t bad, it is just that every sonic character not named sonic was sidelined and the megaman characters got the spotlight. worlds unite however…

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it is just that every sonic character not named sonic was sidelined
                Worse, they jobbed.
                >and the megaman characters got the spotlight
                Not really. It was mostly Sonic beating up Robot Masters in the final stretch.

                Everyone but Sonic and the villains got the shaft.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >jobbing
                A fate worse than death

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Didnt Knuckles and Blaze and Silver get victories over their respective counter parts?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Classic Bass is pretty much all talk, Bass.EXE has at least canonically kicked Megaman’s ass once.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Many aspects, starting from a more interesting personality, better role inside the games, mysterious backstory that took several games to be explored...

          And the cape. Damn it, that cape is cool. Even the guys behind that cancelled Megaman Online game understood how much better he looks with the darn thing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            why is bass.exe so much better than normal bass?

            Cyber Akuma/Mewtwo hybrid is cooler than Robo Vegeta

            Ironic, Protoman.exe was worse than normal protoman in everyway, and yet they managed to improve on Bass.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The problem with Protoman.exe is that they tried to make him a Zero expy, instead of Protoman

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                and then had an ACTUAL zero character up; now that was a pointless character.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly wonder how that production meeting went...
                >So, for this game we plan to introduce the Battle Network version of Zero
                >Wait, isn't he already in the games?
                >What do you mean?
                >You know, red guy with long hair who wields a sword?
                >Right... how do we explain you... that's Protoman.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly wonder how that production meeting went...
                >So, for this game we plan to introduce the Battle Network version of Zero
                >Wait, isn't he already in the games?
                >What do you mean?
                >You know, red guy with long hair who wields a sword?
                >Right... how do we explain you... that's Protoman.

                Zero EXE does have a cool design in a Hakumen sort of way. Full armored knight characters are always cool. Just wish he showed up in other games since he canonically lives in Network Transmission. Frick, at least let him be a bonus boss, and there was that whole GBA link thing during the Gamecube era. Why didn't they take advantage of that? Like, if you linked BN3 to a GC with a Network Transmission save you get cool bonus battle with Zero, maybe even have him be the one who follows Mega Man around the Undernet and saves him from Bass instead of the random Scilab Navi

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Protoman.exe was good in that he contrasted well with megaman though, following the classic "Red rival is a melee specialist while Blue is a ranged specialist" paradigm.

              That's a big problem that the classic series has in trying to fit protoman in as playable-- Bass has versatility and movement while megaman has raw power as a ranged combatant, so where does that leave Protoman? If you power, you make it harder to properly differentiate megaman with bass, and if you do glass cannon you need to find a way to give him skill based defense, and Bass already has double jumping/mobility claimed.

              The best method seems to be the X series method of making black versatile in aiming, Blue raw power but "Slower" and clunkier than black, and then red as your melee character.
              So in that method of thinking, Protoman.exe is "better" than normal protoman, from a gameplay standpoint.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                exe also had actual bossfights, so that's another plus in the gameplay department

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They have always try to make the Proto Shield his gimmick (Mega Man 7, where it is a Mega Man ability, and then 9 and 10), but it has never fully worked out.

                [...]
                Zero EXE does have a cool design in a Hakumen sort of way. Full armored knight characters are always cool. Just wish he showed up in other games since he canonically lives in Network Transmission. Frick, at least let him be a bonus boss, and there was that whole GBA link thing during the Gamecube era. Why didn't they take advantage of that? Like, if you linked BN3 to a GC with a Network Transmission save you get cool bonus battle with Zero, maybe even have him be the one who follows Mega Man around the Undernet and saves him from Bass instead of the random Scilab Navi

                Don't get me wrong, I do like Zero.exe design, and the fact he is a full-blown virus story-wise (rather than a corrupted program, for example).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >sequel series tries to makes their own Bass
        >Exe can't be topped
        At least they tried?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Classic Bass is pretty much all talk, Bass.EXE has at least canonically kicked Megaman’s ass once.

        Many aspects, starting from a more interesting personality, better role inside the games, mysterious backstory that took several games to be explored...

        And the cape. Damn it, that cape is cool. Even the guys behind that cancelled Megaman Online game understood how much better he looks with the darn thing.

        Reminder that in the anime, he kills a dude and just leaves the show.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I will never be used to people referring to Slur as a dude

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Same. I thought Slur was a girl since the first time I ever saw the character. Up to thos day, I have never understanded how Slur's gender debate started and why.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, it's almost been a decade since the show aired.
            I don't even remember if I actually saw those episodes. I remember the fights because I loved the AMVs

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Many aspects, starting from a more interesting personality, better role inside the games, mysterious backstory that took several games to be explored...

        And the cape. Damn it, that cape is cool. Even the guys behind that cancelled Megaman Online game understood how much better he looks with the darn thing.

        Protoman already had a cloaklike scarf in classic though, so if you gave classic bass a cloak then it just looks like he's trying to copy another existing character and make him seem even more pathetic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Protoman already had a cloaklike scarf in classic
          I would say that depends more on the art... most of the time his scarf doesn't cover his mouth like Bass.exe's cloak does.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sega mandating the removal of humans, government entities, and his connections to Rouge and Omega means he has nothing going for him outside of just being Bejita the Rivalhog.
    His only range of emotion now is pissy for no reason and pissy because Sonic had to invoke Muh Ria's name in order to get him to stop doing something.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I miss Max, Locke, and Towerposting.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    As much as I hate the flanderization, I do kind of like the dynamic Ian gave Shadow and Rouge in IDW where Shadow is just this unchained force and Rouge is basically his handler

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >write Shadow how he's supposed to be
    >receive 80 page document from Sega telling you why that's wrong and demand you fix it
    Gee I can only wonder why

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because he does everything sonic does, but better.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because he's a edgelord.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He used to be codifier of the edgelord, and it wasnt a bad thing

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is it so hard to write Shadow.
    His story is over
    Now he's just inserted similar to Silver
    If they want to write Shadow then he needs his own separate stories that just don't always lead back to Sonic.
    That doesn't mean their stories can't overlap and interact at some point but Shadow needs his own characters to do things outside of what Sonic would do.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It would be cool to see Shadow doing missions for G.U.N or just going around with a wandering hero schtick

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Id taje the second part. G.U.N sucks.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >It would be cool to see Shadow doing missions for G.U.N
        The organization responsible for murdering the one of the few people he actually cared about?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He was working for them in 06 so I guess he got over it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Bad writing confirmed.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Bad writing confirmed.

            This was foreshadowed in the Semi-Hero - Dark ending of ShTH. He lives on the ARK, protects Gerald's work, and still saves the world with GUN. (who own the ARK property)

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The only valid Shadow is the one from SA2.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That Shadow according to Iizuka was meant to come back reguardless and be used in more games.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Story-wise, Shadow should have stayed dead after SA2.
        He should have only returned as a guest character for games with multiplayer options, or as a skin for Sonic during replays.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Shadow dies and is remembered fondly by Adventuregays
          >Shadow lives and becomes a divisive parody of himself
          You're probably right.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Just because that was the plan doesn't mean it was the right call.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      And 06 somehow

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        People like the 06 one just because it’s the last time he was genuinely helping the heroes in a big way, in terms of personality he was flat as a board.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >in terms of personality he was flat as a board.
          He was at least not being an obnoxious egotistical moron.

          This is how SEGA wants Shadow to be written
          >Shadow is minding his own business
          >suddenly the plot indirectly affects him
          >that or the plot goes out of its way to drag him into it
          >the plot will induce stupidity in Shadow to stop him from ending the plot too quickly
          >Shadow hates being in the plot and wants to go home ASAP
          >the plot is over, Shadow goes home
          >what does Shadow do in his free time?
          >he picks a nice spot to stand, he crosses his arms and he broods all day
          This is also why people argue that Shadow should've stayed dead.

          >Current Shadow has no context, he just doesn't exist unless the story needs him to.
          >Sonic's a wandering hobo
          Shadow is also a wandering hobo. He just looks for strong things to fight instead of cool sights and badguys to stop. He's Ryu/Akuma.

          >Omega has the problem.
          He spends his time destroying badniks.

          Shadow only being interested in "fighting strong opponents" is fricking boring. He doesn't have a flamboyant enough personality to make it interesting, so he's basically just a walking fight scene.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Shadow only being interested in "fighting strong opponents" is fricking boring.
            Yeah, unlike the riveting motivations of
            >EVERYONE WILL DIE
            and
            >I can't remember anything... Hmmm....

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Please, wanting revenge for a fallen friend and wanting to solve the mystery of your existence are both WAY better than "Hey, that random stranger looks tough, better go have a dick-stroking contest with him."

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >wanting revenge for a fallen friend and wanting to solve the mystery of your existence
                These are insanely charitable reads of SA2 and SH while you're in the middle of being dismissive of the equally hackneyed wandering warrior's spirit hook.

                Like seriously, frick off. None of these are good motivations by themselves. The issue is the quality of the writing, not the character direction. Nobody's giving Akuma shit for this.

                >But Street Fighter is DUMB and has BAD WRITING!
                I hear you preparing to respond. Like Sonic's any different?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The whole "I must challenge powerful opponents! I live only to fight!" shit is the most bog-standard shonen rival motivation ever, and it doesn't fit with a dude who supposedly had this big arc where he comes to terms with his tragic past.

                At least with the "revenge" or "amnesia" backstories, that opens up the possibility of interesting interactions with other characters. If Shadow's whole motive is WAKU WAKU I WANNA BE THE GUY then he's got no reason to bother involving himself with other people unless they're his next big opponent or whatever.

                Just have Shadow want to protect the world so that he can fulfill Maria's wish. Him being a superhero, whatever the reason, will at least give him some reason to involve himself with other characters and some motive beyond ego-stroking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They had a good thing going with "Shadow wants to protect the earth just as much as Sonic does, but with more extreme and darker methods" that his own game, Battle, X, and Archie did. And they fricked it up for no reason

                Still, "wanting to fight strong opponents" isn't entirely a bad motivation for Shadow, after all, why not have some fun in his duty as a protector? Plus it gives him a reason to fill the "Rival" role by having him and Sonic test each other. Like you said, it just shouldn't be his primary motivation.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Agreed. Him enjoying battle is a fitting personality trait, but it doesn't work as his entire reason for existence.

                >Shadow want to protect the world so that he can fulfill Maria's wish. Him being a superhero, whatever the reason, will at least give him some reason to involve himself with other characters
                What the frick would he wanna do that, he got over being tied to Marias wish in his own wish and goes his own path.

                Final True endingbof his own game, he tosses a pgoto of him, Maria and Gerald away and chooses to walk towards his own future defined by non guilt and purposes of others.

                What-the-frick-ever, just come up with something that gives him a reason not to brood on a fricking clifftop all day.

                >that opens up the possibility of interesting interactions with other characters
                Yeah like in SA2 and Heroes where he would... be a c**t to Sonic and act angsty and quiet.

                Nothing actually changed. You're just asshurt that your fanfic of Shadow growing to not be a c**t isn't canon.

                >You're just asshurt that your fanfic of Shadow growing to not be a c**t isn't canon.
                Gosh, it's almost like those one-note brooding Shonen rival characters get boring after a while.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Gosh, it's almost like those one-note brooding Shonen rival characters get boring after a while.
                b***h this is a MASCOT FRANCHISE.

                Character development beyond a first or second appearance is never a thing. These are archetypes with highly marketable designs slapped on. That is all Sonic as a brand has ever been. It's flirted with long term writing before but always goes back to basics.

                People keep acting like things have changed, but the reality is that nothing has changed and these fans refuse to accept that the franchise won't grow up with them. They saw flickers of a long term epic in bits and pieces of old media and deny that they were always exceptions rather than the rule. Sonic is a vehicle for fun media and selling product. Stop pointing at its marketing consistency as an impediment and instead criticize ineffective management and poor work from the people involved. Bad Peanuts media doesn't exist because Charlie continues to fail to kick the football: it's because the people licensing and writing and rendering the new cartoon forgot what people enjoyed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If they were gonna have Shadow stuck with a set personality, they could've settled on "Batman the grim protector" rather than "Vegetadow the moronic jobber." The first is tolerable at least.

                I'm not saying that he has to be cuddly, I'm saying that he ought not to be a parody of Cell Saga Vegeta.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's pretty much just a fandom meme, though, and didn't gain traction until Ian started writing him poorly when he could no longer spin him as having a gradual softening arc.

                He acts the same in Forces as he does in Colors and SA2 and Heroes and Battle. A little less verbose, but that's everyone who isn't Sonic since Colors. Only game he's really different in is 06, and everyone is written weird there. He didn't "become Vegeta" or whatever. People just project that on to bad writing because Sega had to be the source of it because...eh?

                Like Sega sucks, yeah, but this all comes off like a broad Boogeyman argument in the same vein as "Ken Penders destroyed Archie Sonic." If it's something more specific than that, that can be felt broadly and isn't easy to attribute to the writers rather than corporate manhandling, talk about it. Go into it. Step beyond an easy label and explain your thoughts.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Only game he's really different in is 06, and everyone is written weird there.
                Yeah, and that's the game where everyone says that Shadow's characterization is one of the better things about it. Really makes you think.

                >Batman the grim protector
                >Shadow was originally based off the terminator and mewtwo, characters that are far from Batman and not as morally idealistic

                Shadow is not a guy who has a no killing rule and hangs out with little boys. Hes more like the Punisher or Spawn.

                I just meant in the sense that he feels an obligation to protect people and thus has a reason to fight villains other than being a dick-stroking punk.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for admitting that yeah, you're not actually arguing Shadow changed. You're arguing that you want fanon extrapolated from 06 back.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >character has an arc about getting over his past
                >is less of a c**t
                Wow, what an incredible leap those fans made.

                Besides, "canon" is not synonymous with "good writing."

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Argument wasn't about whether it's good or not. It was about this "SHADOW IS VEGETA NOW" nonsense. The character's core is unchanged. Nobody, nearly a whole day later, has actually given an explanation for how he's "changed."

                It's just a fricking scapegoat phrase, a convenient thing people tell themselves to simplify the issue so they don't have to think about it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I just meant in the sense that he feels an obligation to protect people and thus has a reason to fight villains other than being a dick-stroking punk.

                I thibk Shadow protective side is the same as Sonic, has a sense to protect others who are willingly a part of his own self created moral compass. Wbich ironically gets women and Sonic saved a hellova lot of times.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                See, that works. Shadow just decides to do X because of his own moral standards. That could actually give him an interesting perspective to explore.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"Ken Penders destroyed Archie Sonic."
                To be fair, this one is explained by his own attitude that make it easy for everyone to hate on him and pin blames.

                Is he the sole reason Archie failed? No.
                Did he even play a part in the downfall? Debatable, as, I don't have the numbers of sales pre and post reboot.

                In a way, fans blaming Penders for Archie's cancellation is actually giving him a credit he doesn't deserve

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                At min he is 50% to blame.

                The rest falls on Archie's shit organization skills, management, internal distatian for printing IP books they don't own, and the popularity of Riverdale.

                Had penders never bothered to throw a fit, they would still be chugging to this day.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Batman the grim protector
                >Shadow was originally based off the terminator and mewtwo, characters that are far from Batman and not as morally idealistic

                Shadow is not a guy who has a no killing rule and hangs out with little boys. Hes more like the Punisher or Spawn.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Character development beyond a first or second appearance is never a thing.
                Shadow stopped having character development after his game. Debatably, he stopped after SA2 since his amnesia arc didn't really reset his personality.
                The problem isn't Sega stagnating him. Hell, it's not even that they're regressing him. They just straight up turned him into something he never was.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, ok, substantiate it. Talk about it.
                How is the guy in Sonic Forces different?
                Use your words. How is the edgy boy who taunts Sonic for no reason and picks pointless fights that jeopardize his goals different from the guy who shit talks his enemy and jeopardizes his goals doing so?

                Best I've got is he doesn't have the backstory as motivation anymore. That's not a character change, that's just less focus.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Forces Shadow was not written the same way as IDW Shadow.
                Forces Shadow is weird. In some ways he's actually written closer to Archie Shadow of all things. The DLC even said he was an agent on a mission from some undisclosed organization.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Forces basically has him as a GUN agent, even if that's not really canon anymore.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Forces did not estsblish GUN in that game, it doesnt exist.

              • 1 year ago
                Boco

                If you count those Tailstube things as canon, they explained Eggman kicked GUN's asses and they stopped fighting back.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you count those Tailstube things as canon, they explained Eggman kicked GUN's asses and they stopped fighting back.

                They mentioned GUN in Frontiers, so it's possible they could show up again. Still, whether Shadow is working with them directly or just doing Rouge a favor or whatever is pretty nebulous.

                i didnt get the sense Shadow was employed as an agent or even tied to the mission as closely as Rouge was, Shadow felt like he was going solo and wrecking shop like a rouge hero even killing the mercs instead of sparing them out of fun not for the mission.

                >even killing the mercs instead of sparing them out of fun not for the mission.
                What was the deal with them, anyway? Was Shadow supposed to have killed them in cold blood, or was it during a fight?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They came at him, they were fair game. You gonna fight Shadow, you better kill Shadow.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i didnt get the sense Shadow was employed as an agent or even tied to the mission as closely as Rouge was, Shadow felt like he was going solo and wrecking shop like a rouge hero even killing the mercs instead of sparing them out of fun not for the mission.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's hard to say.
                In the flashback where he beats up Infinite after killing his squad he's seemingly acting on his own, though he's briefly seen talking into his glove like he's communicating with someone.
                In the present, he was on a recon mission with Rouge and Omega. Seemed pretty formal.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >In the present, he was on a recon mission with Rouge and Omega. Seemed pretty formal.

                Shit like this is confusing, but it could be like Sonic, Shadow keeps open communications with intell of sulport from his friends and keeps tabs on stuff. Not because of goverment actions.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's the post I was looking for : can't expect Shakespear tier writing out of Sonic the hedgehog.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Gosh, it's almost like those one-note brooding Shonen rival characters get boring after a while.
                b***h this is a MASCOT FRANCHISE.

                Character development beyond a first or second appearance is never a thing. These are archetypes with highly marketable designs slapped on. That is all Sonic as a brand has ever been. It's flirted with long term writing before but always goes back to basics.

                People keep acting like things have changed, but the reality is that nothing has changed and these fans refuse to accept that the franchise won't grow up with them. They saw flickers of a long term epic in bits and pieces of old media and deny that they were always exceptions rather than the rule. Sonic is a vehicle for fun media and selling product. Stop pointing at its marketing consistency as an impediment and instead criticize ineffective management and poor work from the people involved. Bad Peanuts media doesn't exist because Charlie continues to fail to kick the football: it's because the people licensing and writing and rendering the new cartoon forgot what people enjoyed.

                >"writers shouldn't try because it's le hedgehog game
                people like you should be killed

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There's a difference between trying and being a tryhard, you fricking baboon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what was said at all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >People keep acting like things have changed, but the reality is that nothing has changed and these fans refuse to accept that the franchise won't grow up with them.

                >They saw flickers of a long term epic in bits and pieces of old media and deny that they were always exceptions rather than the rule.

                >Sonic is a vehicle for fun media and selling product.

                Ok company shill.

                Explain how Transformers, TMNT, He-Man, She-Ra, G.I.Joe, ThunderCats, and practically every fricking capeshitter in history manages to create good quality media for all sort of ages while still being vehicles for fun media and selling toys to kids, but Sonic seems incapable of doing this while SEGA is in charge?

                >Buh M-M-MASCOT FRANCHISE

                I think the word you're looking is MON FRANCHISE. A franchise dedicated to creating an ever expanding collection of brightly colored mutants for moronic kids to collect and battle.

                As if Sonic being compared to Pikachu, Agumon & that cat from Yokai Watch is going to help his already flailing reputation among hardcore gamers.

              • 1 year ago
                Boco

                >while SEGA is in charge?

                Theres your answer.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Explain how Transformers, TMNT, He-Man, She-Ra, G.I.Joe, ThunderCats, and practically every fricking capeshitter in history manages to create good quality media for all sort of ages while still being vehicles for fun media and selling toys to kids, but Sonic seems incapable of doing this while SEGA is in charge?
                All of those got reboots and revisions, the Sonic from 1991 will NEVER go away unless the west completely nukes Japan off hte map. Japs don't rewrite their history and creations, htey just add onto it. They honor what they create and always will make time skips with new characters to preserve the origins if it comes to that.

                It's likely been said ITT many times by now because I know Sonic gays and Mega Mangays are one in the same at this point, but this is what Mega Man did and worked but Sonic never did because the idea of losing Sonic to some Shadowlike protag of the future is too much of a sepekku move for SEGA to tolerate. The blue blur is quite literally all they have identity wise. Capcom has at least Street Fighter, DMC and Rez Evil.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Japs don't rewrite their history and creations, htey just add onto it. They honor what they create and always will make time skips with new characters to preserve the origins if it comes to that.
                Bullshit. Nips do reboots all the fricking time. Just look at classic manga franchises like Devilman, Getter Robo or Cutie Honey.

                >The blue blur is all they have identity wise
                Yakuza

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Explain how Transformers, TMNT, He-Man, She-Ra, G.I.Joe, ThunderCats, and practically every fricking capeshitter in history manages to create good quality media for all sort of ages while still being vehicles for fun media and selling toys to kids
                Most of those have a worse batting average than Sonic and nothing ever actually develops in them: it all gets reset to zero after a few years. Those are perfect examples, if anything.

                The way people treat Shadow is like if people kept asking why Starscream isn't a good guy anymore.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >People keep acting like things have changed, but the reality is that nothing has changed and these fans refuse to accept that the franchise won't grow up with them. They saw flickers of a long term epic in bits and pieces of old media and deny that they were always exceptions rather than the rule. Sonic is a vehicle for fun media and selling product.
                This, you morons fell for fake hype. They baited you. You took the bait
                Smart people stopped playing Sonic games when the gameplay went to shit. Only you kept the IP alive with the bait. While actual gamers stuck to the fan games. Just look at Frontiers. Shilled to oblivion all because Sonic did a anime move that reminded you of SMBZ or Final Fantasy Sonic while the gameplay was just as bad as Forces in the 2D stages and was just barely less trash than Forces boost stages in the 3D areas. Literally after a month people stop taking about the cancerous trashfire, because it's not a good game. It's a fanwank anime with zero self awareness of the real problem about the Sonic VIDEO GAME series.

                You Black folk deserve this dogshit IP. The comics makes no sense being a thing but if it had to be a thing, it would 100% act EXACTLY like the Pokemon anime. Never changed, long winded and continuous, all to make fools buy product. It was NEVER fricking Star Wars or capeshit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Calls other people idiots.
                >Thinks external Star Wars products and DC/Marvel franchises are any different.
                lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They are, because those aren't MASCOT franchises. They are just brands. Brands, like all others, that still get merch of characters that evolve over time, but is always expected to replace other characters that tend up more popular. This is literally how this always worked in the west. Unlike sonic where all constantly used characters always gets more merch of those characters, and whenever they either introduce a new one (of which dies off in game instantly) or is based on characters that (until a game changes that like Mania) hasn't been relevant for decades, stop appearing in any media related the IP. That's how this always worked with SEGA. If the characters still has merch, I bet you that character hasn't change since their inception. They were NEVER going to create someone that "replaces Shadow" with someone better. They wanted one archetype that fits the mold they want, being what Shadow is and always has been.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >They were NEVER going to create someone that "replaces Shadow" with someone better.
                I mean Knuckles was that to Mighty and Shadow was that to Knuckles, but yeah ok. Let's hyperfocus on the fact that Star Wars doesn't have a Sonic-like figure who will eternally be the center of attention and ignore that the actual comparison was in regards to
                >Never changed, long winded and continuous, all to make fools buy product.

                All brands like this are the same. The things that Sonic being singled out for not being able to actually provide are the same things these brands can never truly provide. They'll pretend to move forward and the haul out the beloved iconography and imagery as old content is discarded. Star Wars is no better than Sonic when it comes to promising you long term payoff. Best you'll ever get is the core product being half competent at storytelling and the spinoffs to go rogue for a while before they're inevitably pulled back in line to conform.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean Knuckles was that to Mighty and Shadow was that to Knuckles, but yeah ok.
                That its entirely false and fabrication
                Knuckles has been in every game Shadow was so there's zero evidence Shadow was suppose to replace Knuckles. The idea he replaced Knuckles "rival" role might be, but Knuckles was never SUPPOSE to be his rival since unlike Shadow Knuckles is TIED to his protector role of guarding the master emerald. This is explicitly shown in SA1 and 2 ffs. Sonic and knuckles are on all accounts, buddies that just butt heads some times because of differing motives.

                And Mighty was an example of a failed character, not a replacement by Knuckles. Again, BOTH CHARACTERS appear in Knuckles' Chaotix, and was originally planned to come back in Heroes in his own team with Ray and Metal Sonic. At NO point was Mighty anything like what Knuckles represents. He was just "red bro Sonic" just like Ray was "yellow bro Sonic" that the original SegaSonic game showcased in beta footage.

                > Let's hyperfocus on the fact that Star Wars doesn't have a Sonic-like figure who will eternally be the center of attention and ignore that the actual comparison was in regards to
                Because, as I said Sonic ISN'T like Star Wars you reading comprehension having moron, Sonic is a MASCOT FRANCHISE. NOT a brand owned by a bigger company. It's like saying Buzz Lightyear is the mascot of Pixar despite being a subsection under Toy Story, of which is ALSO not the mascot of Pixar, just a high named brand of it.

                SEGA's mascot is Sonic. That means everyone expects the same thing coming from that mascot like they expect out of the company. When devs want to try other things with their mascot without confusing their playerbase, they make spinoffs/subseries with alternative takes on the characters, like Capcom did with Mega Man. Something SEGA tried doing a times, but failed every time they try to pull it off.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You probably should have read the rest of the post instead of arguing
                >Star Wars IS NOT A MASCOT FRANCHISE REEEE
                at someone who agrees that Star Wars isn't a mascot franchise.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Shadow want to protect the world so that he can fulfill Maria's wish. Him being a superhero, whatever the reason, will at least give him some reason to involve himself with other characters
                What the frick would he wanna do that, he got over being tied to Marias wish in his own wish and goes his own path.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                When did that happen?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Final True endingbof his own game, he tosses a pgoto of him, Maria and Gerald away and chooses to walk towards his own future defined by non guilt and purposes of others.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's fine I guess but there's still no reason Shadow should be a generic shonen rival. He doesn't care about strenght for strength's sake, he's already confident in his own power and when he fights it's because someone pissed him off (which is extremely easy to do), not because he seeks strong opponents. Flynn already simplified Sonic's character to a generic no-kill rule before salvaging it in the Surge arc by tying it back to his belief in freedom, there's no need to give another character a stock cliché personality over their real one, especially when other characters like Amy and Eggman are being developed away from their own two dimensionality.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >that opens up the possibility of interesting interactions with other characters
                Yeah like in SA2 and Heroes where he would... be a c**t to Sonic and act angsty and quiet.

                Nothing actually changed. You're just asshurt that your fanfic of Shadow growing to not be a c**t isn't canon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Akuma has gotten by because he has crossed paths with stronger opponents and failed. He actually motivates Ryu and forced him to change. He's just so far beyond the every day shit that its more he disaster area than anything.

                Shadow isn't the dark path sonic could take.
                He doesn't cause Sonic to rethink how he approaches things.

                He's just broody Sonic+ and has been stripped of anything that could make him interesting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >He's just broody Sonic+ and has been stripped of anything that could make him interesting.

                Hes actually more than that, hes what Sonic is but carried by a drive to keep finding the truth and the fighting for the meaning of something instead of just embracing freedom and chaos and having fun. .

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He could have that plot point along with bettering the world because Muh-Ri-Ahhh would have wanted it. But he's just a useles tard until Sega allows him to work off his previous progress.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >bettering the world because Muh-Ri-Ahh

                Nah he doesnt need to do that to be a hero. And i doubt sonic games will allow hin nuance in actually improving the world since its always go to be perpetually in danger.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This. The only other valid Shadow is the one from Battle.
          Probably because at that moment they didn't give crap to continuity and just wrote him like he was in SA2 instead of Heroes.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SEGA has no idea how to handle the Sonic series in general, Shadow peaked in Adventure 2 never really recovered from Sonic Heros / Shadow The Hedgehog games.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is how SEGA wants Shadow to be written
    >Shadow is minding his own business
    >suddenly the plot indirectly affects him
    >that or the plot goes out of its way to drag him into it
    >the plot will induce stupidity in Shadow to stop him from ending the plot too quickly
    >Shadow hates being in the plot and wants to go home ASAP
    >the plot is over, Shadow goes home
    >what does Shadow do in his free time?
    >he picks a nice spot to stand, he crosses his arms and he broods all day
    This is also why people argue that Shadow should've stayed dead.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the plot will induce stupidity in Shadow to stop him from ending the plot too quickly
      They actually don't want this one. It's what bad writers do to accommodate for him.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If they don't want it, why do they accept it?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Because they always settle for "good enough." They put brand image over story quality. They don't actively want shit stories, but they'll approve them so long as products come out on time and on brand.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not hard
    He’s edgy black and red Sonic. A rival for classic blue Sonic

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a question that extends to the entire cast frankly. Flynn has gotten softer than during his Archie tenure for what I can only assume to be muh mandates, and so he writes everyone to be slightly more subdued. Sonic goes from tryhard to Superman, Shadow goes from broody edgelord to Bejita (forma de erizo), Amy is the stronk levelheaded leader and so on. It's not bad but the peak of Sonic writing is when everyone has a certain youthful energy to it. They're teenagers, not smarmy 30-something capeshit characters, so they should act like hotheaded teens. "But it's cringe", yeah, that's what made them popular in the first place. Not everything needs to be for everyone.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Alternatively he's out of touch and a bit lazy.
      A lot of his thoughts on Sonic are holdovers from the 00s or just going along with popular fan opinion.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SEGA has a very specific vision for him and prevents any writer who actually likes him from doing anything cool with him

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    cause people are afraid of leaning into the edge now even tho thats what the people want, frick the neckbeards online

    YES Shadow uses guns occasionally
    YES he rides a motorcycle even those his base speed is far superior
    why?
    because he FRICKING CAN

    what the people want, frick the neckbeards online, but there is also the issue of people thinking Shadow is incapable of being funny or good natured, when he definitely is, and his lack of a real goal

    and that's the thing people keep comparing him to Vegeta but Vegeta had new goals and storylines after he moved on from the death of his race, what exactly is Shadow's point of existence after moving on from Maria's death?? i say they continue with the finding of meaning life and why the frick he sonic and co exist shit and give him a new waifu to chase, some female GUN agent who follows him around or some shit idk but yea thats my way of fixing Shadow

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Rougue was always the best suit for Shadow.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Rouge is for Knuckles.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nah. Knuckles is too wound upz manipulated and unfocused around her, Shadow can keep up with her mentally and morally and actually excite Rouge as a teammate and as a friend.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Because you're weak!

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    and mass repliers don't I'd wager you'd say to?

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Making fun of edgy stuff I feel was warranted at one point, but I feel like it was part of a bad trend where now literally anything with any degree of harshness or dire tonality is considered to be "edgy"

    I feel as though the term "edgy" has gone from meaning
    >"Empty shock value."
    To
    >"I'm offended by literally anything harsh. Don't wrongthink and go against my puritanical, sheltered ideals."
    The term is 100% a thought terminating cliche and an American corpo buzzword, because the only time you ever see it get used is in reference to harmless pop media and not towards anything genuinely pushing boundaries.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Shadow on his own isn't too edgy (Shonen rivals are a thing) but the Shadow video game was.
      >amnesia plot from Jason Bourne
      >cyberspace level like this is the Matrix
      >evil aliens like Halo or Independence Day
      >government conspiracies
      It was like a hackneyed mishmash of everything that was considered cool in the 2000s, with all the sincerity of a Mountain Dew commercial.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Even as an edgy 13 year old I was mad that they didn't build the game's combat around his Chaos powers and use his Battle moveset

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He also had a fricking gun and shot cops with it.
        It was the most 2000s thing to ever exist

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If it were sincerely ripping off those things to be cool would it be okay?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/Making%20fun%20of%20edgy%20stuff%20I%20feel%20was%20warranted%20at%20one%20point/

      Do this site a favor and have a nice day.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Let me break it down for you

    >SOUL era

    Sonic Adventure 2
    >Introduce character
    >Market him as a big new villain
    >Game comes out and character is given context and is revealed to actually just be misguided and angry, not evil
    >Character (that was meant to be a one-off) completes his arc, redeems himself, and dies

    Sonic Heroes
    >OOPS turns out we made the most popular character our company owns aside from our literal mascot
    >Revive him
    >Spend all game explaining how and why he survived
    >Give character friends and a new purpose in life so character has more room to grow

    >EDGE era

    >Be SEGA
    >Make dogshit decisions
    >Listen to fans that want Sonic to have a gun

    Shadow the Hedgehog
    >Get rid of the writer responsible for making the character beloved (Shiro Maekawa)
    >Replace him with soulless company man Takashi Iizuka
    >Chase trends of the day
    >End up with the first truly horrible Sonic game

    This is the point of no return

    >Character becomes associated with company's downfall
    >Chimpanzees like Arin Hanson and countless others place blame on character
    >Iizuka becomes more involved in company and thus more projects turn to rushed garbage

    Sonic 06
    >Character is actually portrayed surprisingly well
    >Probably on accident
    >Character gets to drive the plot forward and actually behave similarly to how he behaved in the SOUL Era
    >The game was Sonic 06 so literally none of that matters

    >Shelf character
    >Time passes
    >People that loved character originally start becoming more vocal compared to non fans like Arin Hanson
    >Be SEGA
    >Make dogshit decisions
    >Associate character with downfall of the franchise
    >Too scared to bring him back in any meaningful capacity
    >When character is allowed to appear, they must be written with strict mandates in effect
    >No character development allowed for ANY characters, let alone the one that "ruined" the franchise

    >Modern era

    >Be SEGA
    >Make dogshit decisions

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What about Sonic X?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        peak mid

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What about Sonic Battle ?

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because he's an edgy loser

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    as someone who only played the games are you guys also looking at the comics? I've never read a single sonic comic is there a place online one can start? Also, where should I even begin?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Start with IDW Sonic, it takes place after the events of Sonic Forces. Don't let Cinemaphile trick you into reading 300 ancient archie issues

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        is a there a place online or a youtube video that expplains the sonic canon? Also where do i go to read this IDW?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Just go on https://readcomiconline.li/ and it should be there

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Here's a pastebin with links to the archive of the recent Archie Ride:
      https://pastebin.com/vka9prmC
      Password: 60csquNW5w

      One for the STC ride:
      https://pastebin.com/8uWse1Bt
      Password: jUxQBUH5Hx

      And for the IDW storytime:
      Pastebin (contains links to archived threads and an invite to the S6 Server): https://pastebin.com/MBiqDAcg
      Password: FZ9TmThMwK

      You can also usually find the comics on readcomiconline.li, but you'll want like five different adblockers.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We'll get shadow again in the Sonic 3 movie in a couple of years; I wonder how they'll try and differentiate him from knuckles since they already did the "Antagonist rival for sonic" thing in Sonic 2.

    Betting they'll make the black arms race be the actual villains of that movie as well and skip the bio-lizard.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Writers already said the main issue will be Sonic dealing with someone as strong as him that the power of friendship won't work on.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >that the power of friendship won't work on.
        up until the last 30 minutes of the movie when he joins forces with sonic of course; just like knuckles did.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It'll be a temporary thing

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Writers already said the main issue will be Sonic dealing with someone as strong as him that the power of friendship won't work on.

          We'll get shadow again in the Sonic 3 movie in a couple of years; I wonder how they'll try and differentiate him from knuckles since they already did the "Antagonist rival for sonic" thing in Sonic 2.

          Betting they'll make the black arms race be the actual villains of that movie as well and skip the bio-lizard.

          Do you think they will do the whole SA2 story in one movie ? Would be bloated, but 2 movies would be too much.
          Just like The Hobbit movie

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine if they go through with that 100% and shadow is a pure villain that's killed at the end
        The rage would be astronomical

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    is shadow still the 2nd most popular charcater after sonic?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No. iirc that was an american-exclusive poll that was years and years ago, wasn't a character based one but a vote on who should get a spinoff game, and he actually only tied with Eggman for that.
      But other than that not very certain. There's been a bunch of polls recently from Japan from America and even from nintendo and absolutely all of them have really different results. One of them had Amy as the most popular character. But the general trend is that Shadow's popularity has dropped a lot, most often he's not part of the top 5 anymore

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        how abiut team Chaotic? I love those guys

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >But the general trend is that Shadow's popularity has dropped a lot, most often he's not part of the top 5 anymore

        Source or go frick yourself with napalm. Shadow above and over everyone after Sonic on the official sonic news network polls.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          sonic news network? You meant the poll from 2011?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Get rekt Shadowgays
            https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/(8)Tidus_vs_(9)Shadow_the_Hedgehog_2004

            Theres this

            https://mobile.twitter.com/GameSpot/status/1511093712532611073

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >2857 votes
              >versus GameFAQs's 95122 votes

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I thought sonic 2 gave knuckles a pretty huge popularity boost lately.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It did.

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can we stop with the DBZ comparisons? Nobody who isn't trolling thinks Sonic wasn't lifting from Dragonball. The point is that Shadow-as-Vegeta sucks and a lot of people want him to go back to how he was presented from Adventure 2 to 06.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Fair enough. My stance on that is still: Just steal his characterisation from tails get trolled, just, more normal.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Just steal his characterisation from tails get trolled, just, more normal
        Shadow's extremism and murderous hair-trigger is why he's so funny, though.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Shadow's extremism and murderous hair-trigger

          Should be incorperated more into some parts of his canon personality.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yeah but you can do that kid-friendly or whatever sonic cartoons are considered. just have him blow something up or punch something isntead of murdering someone. You know, get results after he gets fed up with Sonics shit. Not just, be angry for angers sake.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Shadow's funniest moments were when he said murder was the answer to bullying, when he killed Daffy and Bugs for screwing over his plan, and when he killed a village of innocents because he thought the other Slaiyers weren't taking things as seriously as he did.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, and I dont see how you couldnt translate this into the comics TO A DEGREE.
              It will never be as funny as Lazers shit, thats just not doable. Theres no guys with no ears. but it would be better as the current "we have no idea what to do with him" shit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, Sonic just had some easter eggs / references to DB -the obvious one being Super Sonic- but that's all.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >back to how he was presented from Adventure 2 to 06.
      A Hiei/Vegeta hybrid who did Jason Borne cliches

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >how he was presented from Adventure 2 to 06.
      The same way he's presented now.

      >No, wrong.
      Explain the difference. Give video game examples.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Give video game examples.
        Literally only Boom

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How do yall feel about his portrayal in Prime. he looks like an older brother sort of role in that one.

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If Tails is Gohan, then who is Videl?
    If Tails is Krillin, then who is Android 18?
    If Tails is Bulma, then Tails x Shadow when?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost like not every Sonic character is a 1 to 1 match to DBZ's cast. Shut the frick up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Those numbers.
        I kneel, you won.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Man that takes me back to when I had discussions about which horse is which TF2 character. Good times

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You should've given up the moment you realized you'd have two Snipers by necessity.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I personally was always a fan of zebra-demoman. But then, Im racist.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Fast and rude
          Strong and eats a lot and has a pet
          Girly but insane
          Smart and educated and owns a pet

  47. 1 year ago
    Boco

    This is why shonen Sonic gays need to be shot.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Shonen is the best part of Sonic, that and running through the loop da loop.
      Take that away and there's nothing but gay shipping drama.

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So which show was Forces ripping Infinite off from? I can't remember any popular shows in the last 15 years where the villain acted like a chuunibyou who hid one of their eyes.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Naruto?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I immediately regret asking this question.
        Like, I'd've settled for Gaara, but for frick's sake, get this moron away from me. He's already ruined My Hero Academia.

        • 1 year ago
          AccelΔX

          Naruto?

          The problem actually started with Yu Yu Hakusho
          Chapter Black arc

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How did YYH affect which show?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sensui? He wasn't ever really like Infinite

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >He's already ruined My Hero Academia
          First,
          kys use the proper acronym, BNHA, you filth.
          Second,
          What the frick are you talking about?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >kys use the proper acronym, BNHA, you filth.
            Ow the edge
            >What the frick are you talking about?
            Three Obitos

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Three Obitos
              Still going to have to elaborate.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Three Obitos
                I still have no idea on what you're talking about.

                Shigaraki, Dabi, and Kurogiri all have distinguishable traits from Obito in how they're executed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How the frick is Dabi like Obito?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's an identity reveal that everybody saw coming.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I remember how people were mad that they saw the Obito reveal and wanted it to be someone else.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hardly unique to Obito. Not like Dabi had any red herrings regarding his actual identity, like how everyone treated Tobi as Madara for the longest time

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Three Obitos
              I still have no idea on what you're talking about.

  49. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Get rekt Shadowgays
    https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/(8)Tidus_vs_(9)Shadow_the_Hedgehog_2004

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand your point. Shadow isn't even the main character in his game and he almost beat the main character in one of the 3 most prolific FF games of all time. That's a good thing for Shadow fans. It's 2004 though so...

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/(8)Shadow_the_Hedgehog_vs_(9)Ness_2018

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Forgot my pic.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            again Shadow not the protagonist of his series is put up against the main character and most well known character from the heralded Mother franchise and almost beats him in a poll. What are fans of shadow suppose to be mad about. If it was 30-70 or 80-20 for a character like Get I'd understand, but this.....

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              LOL you think Ness draws his popularity from Earthbound and not Smash Bros

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                shouldn't this be a conversation saved for Cinemaphile?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Shouldn't this whole thread be on Cinemaphile and not Cinemaphile?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The subject of how Shadow is written largely affects the comics as you can tell from the OP. Sonic in general is a little bit of every board really.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Speaking of Cinemaphile issues, how's Sonic Prime? Is it good?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I like it, but the worlds are kind of barren but the character interactions are what we are here for anyway and they are top tier, also the action is good.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's like if Sonic Forces was a show.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                wasn't sonic forces bad..... Sonic prime is good though alot of interesting things to keep you watching.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it's more like Boom if you traded setting and most of the meta humor for a sci-fi plot.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ostensibly

  50. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All this talk about Shadown, when he isn't even the best character of the whole series.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sonic OVAs were kino

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I picked up the OVA when I was a kid was the first time I saw Sonic. Loved knuckles in the cowbuy hat.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They had the best balance of humans and animals in Sonic's world.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How come no metal shadow ever?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why would Eggman create a robot with an even bigger identity crisis than what Metal Sonic already has?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why didn't he make Metal Sonic shit bombs?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I like idea he loosely sees him as family

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Neo needs to be his permanent Modern design

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Too supervillainy to be the default. need something in between

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe make the quills smaller and remove the shoulder bades + buttcape? The bulkier forelimbs are the things I'd want to keep the most in a default Modern design

  51. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Dude, don't give any specific responses until he explains himself. There's no reason to believe he's not just trolling for responses.

  52. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think we can all say Shadow needs to be improved with some depth, but not to the final fantasy levels he possesed in 06 and archie. This is Sonic after all, every character should be generally simplistic and well established on 1 or 2 traits that open new stories to explore their characters and the world around them. Shadow's emotional range should be vague and mysterious, just like him. Subtle not exaggerated like in Archie. His actions and sense of purpose should be similar to Sonic, its self imposed independance on things he thinks is right, but unlike Sonic he does not waver and sees things through stubbornly even if it kills himself or everyone around him.

    He doesnt like small talk and says whats needs to be said, but he does exchange casual conversation the type of people who dont waste time and are elegant if not professional in their jobs. He views the strong worthy of a fight since he does want to excell generally as the ultimatr lifeform and ignores the weak, not to near vegeta levels but enough to dismiss them without offending them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'd like him Omega,and Rouge to stick together. Maybe have him interact with Cream like in

      honestly can't believe that is real.

      Prime also has Rouge in Sonic's team which is weird but kinda nice

  53. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Fans don't even know what htey want him to be
    Some just want some "he can be fixed uwu" typical edge 2000s character that women like, or they just want what those DeviantART OCs that are overpowered tacoball tier broken that make the official Sonic characters look like pathetic ants.

    With how people reacted to Surge, I'm convinced it's mostly the latter.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >With how people reacted to Surge, I'm convinced it's mostly the latter.
      Surge doesn't deserve fans. She's not a character, she's a workaround.

  54. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT TALK. Let's argue about when Shadow was at his best game, TV show, or comic. I'll go first.
    Best in TV: Sonic X
    Best in video game: Sonic 06
    Best in comics: TGT

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'd say Archie Shadow is the best in comics but he was evil for no reason in the 25/30 years later arc

  55. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Non sequitor. If you're not going to respond to my accusations, then don't reply to me.

  56. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  57. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  58. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    And the conversation is dead.
    Would still like to know what the issue with Man of Action is supposed to be.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There's an issue with Man of Action?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Is Potto writing this, too?

        Worse, Man of Action.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah I forgot they were on Sonic Prime.

  59. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Metal Virus. Turned him into this.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the metal virus plotline is such shit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why can't Potto write characters other than Sonic doing anything anymore?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It really is. A fun concept executed about as poorly as it could possibly be.
        >Shadgeta the Jobber
        >constant crying and angst
        >bringing the Zeti in for no real reason
        >stretches on for TWENTY FRICKING ISSUES
        What an awful arc. I can't believe anyone likes IDW.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Is there a way to read this without filler?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The problem with IDW is that basically the whole comic IS filler.

            None of the villains are remotely menacing. None of the arcs go anywhere or explore anything interesting. It takes eleven issues to introduce Surge and Kit, and they still don't come across as a threat at any point.

            There's a 4-issue mini devoted to a plotline about the crying OCs battling an evil octopus with the amazing power of owning a knife.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's better than just a regular old knife, dummy.
              It's a knife that he's not allowed to stab anyone with.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Truly, a villain to make Sonic tremble.

                Maybe that one perv that wanted Lanolin to secretly be Mimic was onto something. Having him screw over the Restoration from inside would be pretty funny.

  60. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What if Shadow carried a man-purse?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Hes got cartoon hammer space powers.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He can't keep all those chaos emeralds in his ass all the time.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nevwr underestimate the Ultimate Lifeform!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Training hard with master Goatse really paid off in the end. The rear end.

  61. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Has Shadow taken off his inhibitor rings in the comics yet?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, well in archie at least. It failed spectacularly.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, well in archie at least. It failed spectacularly.

      He fought a god for a bit that magicked super Sonic into the sun. Doesn't get much better

  62. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine an emo Tony the Tiger or Chuck E Cheese. Now imagine trying to write stories for him without being ironic or funny.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Brainlet take

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you act as if they never try to be funny with Shadow since he's not always a serious character or they have fun with how serious he is, also the last fricking thing we need in fiction is more irony poisoning

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I dont like Shadow being made a joke out of his expense and character. It makes him like Knuckles. Espdcially if its someone like Sonic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I mean it's not impossible to give him funny stuff without diminishing his character, you just have to balance/be restrained like Knuckles in the Sonic 2 movie or Eggman at his best when he can be threatening and comedic the turn of a switch.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Well archie sucked at it.

            >only a homosexual like Ian Flynn would fricking write Knuckles being more based than Shadow
            Knuckles IS more based than Shadow

            Someone who gets tricked multiple times by bat hoe thiefs and eggmen and beat up by little girls with one hammer strike is not based. Shadow puts golding hoes and little girls in their place all the time and beats Sonic is a realm above based.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, we know. Shadow has to be a boring edgelord 24/7, even though that'll ironically be even funnier than if he has any softer side.

          Eclispe cant scale to even Eggmans strongest robot and the Metal Sonic troopers, which Shadow one shot, lets not exagerrated, Flynn marty stu'd his Shadow OC in Shadow fall and forgot most of Shadow OP full moveset and capabilties in all his appearances for cheao suspense. Even though Shadow scales to people stronger than Eclispe as a power house

          >ultra-powerful alien tougher than Rouge and Omega, who can specifically nerf Shadow's Chaos powers
          >Shadow beats him anyway
          >you're still mad
          Propose a villain that you think could actually take on Shadow, right now.

  63. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He was supposed to die after SA2 and no one knew what to do with him after they brought him back. The new characterization always stops and ends at "edgy Sonic."

  64. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mandates and DBZ references.

  65. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Eclipse was not particularly strong. He came off that way because he had powers designed to counter Shadow and only Shadow.
    He could attack him mentally via the hive mind, he could shut down his chaos powers and he had a temporary hulk form in case Shadow tried to take off his inhibitor rings.
    Against anyone else he was average. Even the hulk form just barely beat Omega and Eclipse collapsed from it anyway.
    He was only a big threat when he had his mutant wisp babies powering him up.

  66. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Relevant possible good news: https://board.sonicstadium.org/news/comics/idw-writer-evan-stanley-reveals-new-more-workable-guidelines-for-shadow-r292/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Shadow being more understood is precisely what happened. I’m reminded of a scene in an upcoming issue where in the original draft Shadow acted without explaining himself, only giving an aggressive, confident response to his team-mates. This isn’t how I would have liked him to handle the situation. But in previous issues, this is how I’ve been asked to write him… so that’s what I did.

      >So you can imagine my delight to get the script back from SEGA with the request to have him instead explain his reasoning when it makes sense to do so and to showcase his intelligence, pragmatism, and capacity for strategy in the future. Not only does this make him much more workable within storylines, it helps make it clear that his “pride” is, from his perspective, a non-judgemental statement of fact and not an ego trip. It’s also an honest reflection of reality– 99 out of 100 times he really IS that good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Shadow being more understood is precisely what happened. I’m reminded of a scene in an upcoming issue where in the original draft Shadow acted without explaining himself, only giving an aggressive, confident response to his team-mates. This isn’t how I would have liked him to handle the situation. But in previous issues, this is how I’ve been asked to write him… so that’s what I did.

      >So you can imagine my delight to get the script back from SEGA with the request to have him instead explain his reasoning when it makes sense to do so and to showcase his intelligence, pragmatism, and capacity for strategy in the future. Not only does this make him much more workable within storylines, it helps make it clear that his “pride” is, from his perspective, a non-judgemental statement of fact and not an ego trip. It’s also an honest reflection of reality– 99 out of 100 times he really IS that good.

      This reads like the people in licensing keep trying to steer Shadow towards a middle ground and the writers take the suggestions as "FULL FORCE LEFT OR RIGHT."

      Reminds me of the story of Miyamoto suggesting that Metroid Prime let you view the world through "different eyes." The team had no idea what the frick he meant so they incorporated the visor system, which Miyamoto was apparently very happy with.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'd sooner side with the writers on this than the suits up in corporate. If it tool the latter this long to course correct, it's plain they were content with the results up until very recently.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I'd sooner side with the writers on this than the suits up in corporate.
          Considering the writer in question is framing this as both sides understanding each other better, it sounds to me like you don't actually care what she says and just want an easy scapegoat.

          It comes off as if their contacts give them pointers devoid of context and then go "Yeah, frick it, good enough" when it comes back for a second pass. Evan's saying this is the first time she's approached writing Shadow from what she thought was the company stance, but then the licensors respond with "that's too far, reel it back in." It seems like she took the pointers as hardline stances rather than suggestions relative to her prior drafts. This is both on her for assuming it was that dramatic and on her contacts for not being clear and thorough enough with their feedback. Or hell, they could have just changed their minds. Less likely given the evidence, but still possible.

          But nah, you're right, let's turn this into another ONE SIDE GOOD ONE SIDE BAD shitfest because it's easy to call one side corporate.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds more like you read your preferred interpretation into the announcement and then projected.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I understand you want to win an internet argument, but "comes off like" and "seems like" are opinions. It's not projecting to tell someone what you think makes sense.

              Frick of a lot more honest than saying you'd rather trust the writer while ignoring what she said.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I would consider it good news if it wasn't Evan... that person is dangerous. Their type... you gave them an inch, they'll try to take a mile.

  67. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    if you ever feel bad for being a shadow fan just remember silver is literally just twiddling his fingers gardening

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Silver has an interesting concept but I feel like he does not bring much to the table in execution. Perhaps he could use a minor retooling.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Silver has an interesting concept
        Of course, he's literally Trunks.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They really just have him pissing around in a garden because they haven't come up with the next thing for him to save the future from yet.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      silver is the only of the "main" characters I don't really like
      feels very superfluous,

  68. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is it even possible to have a good discussion about the massive amount of Sonic animation and comic book media? Any thread inevitably devolves into

    >fandom wank
    >drama about current products
    >weird assertions that things are inherently bad because of some personal ideal for the larger franchise
    >Memes and fanbase talking points drowning out personal opinions

    Like how are you even supposed to discuss the comics *as comic books* or the animations *as animation* underneath all this fandom nonsense?

  69. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ShadowBlack folk are so winy and entitled, fricking hell. Annoying ass fanbase.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Knuckles and Tails fans are just as worse.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Knuckles and Tails fans are just as worse.

      Because the only good way to write shadow is him out of the story

      The problem with Sonic's side-characters is that people play Sonic games for their fast-placed gameplay, which kinda precludes things like stupid sidequests and mini-games where you play other characters.

      You could kinda get around that by having a game where you play half as Sonic and half as Shadow and they play the same, but it'd just be a reskin and come off as lazy.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Can you call Shadows gameplay a reskin of Sonic if hes meant to play as him equally, hes the guy who introduced the speedy rail and point system with Sonic in his debut

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I just mean that it wouldn't fool anyone that playing as either Shadow or Sonic really varied the gameplay that much. It wasn't meant as a jab at either character.

          It could work for story purposes, though.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You could kinda get around that by having a game where you play half as Sonic and half as Shadow and they play the same, but it'd just be a reskin and come off as lazy.
        But that's literally the argument against SA2 being shit for NOT doing that and forcing people to play shitty ass RNG hunting with siht level design or mechs with tank controls in a Sonic game.

        People LIKED Sonic and Shadow's gameplay.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How did S3&K and Mania do it so well?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He really is the Vegeta then

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >winy
      People who like Shadow are wine aunts?

  70. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Beats me. I figure he should just be freaking out because he has no reason to exist and top himself because he wants to control his own destiny. I have no clue why this bad idea of a character is still around.

  71. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because the only good way to write shadow is him out of the story

  72. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    shadow

    See, its not that hard

  73. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is the Sega mandate for Shadow a myth?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the what now?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The mandate that Shadow has to act like a parody of Vegeta.

        Apparently it might be a myth:

        Relevant possible good news: https://board.sonicstadium.org/news/comics/idw-writer-evan-stanley-reveals-new-more-workable-guidelines-for-shadow-r292/

        >Shadow being more understood is precisely what happened. I’m reminded of a scene in an upcoming issue where in the original draft Shadow acted without explaining himself, only giving an aggressive, confident response to his team-mates. This isn’t how I would have liked him to handle the situation. But in previous issues, this is how I’ve been asked to write him… so that’s what I did.

        >So you can imagine my delight to get the script back from SEGA with the request to have him instead explain his reasoning when it makes sense to do so and to showcase his intelligence, pragmatism, and capacity for strategy in the future. Not only does this make him much more workable within storylines, it helps make it clear that his “pride” is, from his perspective, a non-judgemental statement of fact and not an ego trip. It’s also an honest reflection of reality– 99 out of 100 times he really IS that good.

        Looks like the IDW writers just took SEGA's guidelines too literally or something, and so now SEGA is asking them to ease up a bit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Looks like the IDW writers just took SEGA's guidelines too literally or something, and so now SEGA is asking them to ease up a bit.
          That doesn't make sense. If SEGA was displeased with how IDW was interpreting their guidelines they would have said so from the start.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >"I don't know what companies are or how they work" - the post
            Sega isn't some singular guy.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, there is literally no point in having guidelines if they not only can be interpreted wrong, but the wrong interpretation is approved for years before the company realizes something's up.
              You're trying to pin the blame on IDW's writers but your theory only makes SEGA look incompetent.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >SEGA's guidelines
          You mean "mandates". Remember, if they are guidelines, they can't pin the blame on Sega

  74. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So Silver is Shadow and Rouge's son, right?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No. Too far into the future, so a descendant.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How do we know that? Also, I've always been confused as to what's the official explanation to certain urban stages like Grand Metropolis from Sonic Heroes.
        Now thinking about it, the Adventure games were set in the present day, Heroes had some futuristic stuff and Riders was full on futuristic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >How do we know that?
          Because the game said he came from 200 years in the future and that he is 14 years old.

  75. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All the Sonic cast really needs to appease most people, from classicgays to adventuregays to boostgays, is this:
    >Sonic
    >Tails
    >Knuckles
    >Amy (unfortunately)
    >Eggman
    >Shadow
    >Rouge
    >Sage if they HAD to give Eggman someone to bounce off of. Cubot/Orbot fricking suck

  76. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  77. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Welp thus marks the last post of the Shadow thread More surprised it kept up for so long instead of deleted via mods, Sayonara Shadow the Hedgehog

  78. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sayonara Shadow the Hedgehog.

  79. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Adios Shadow the Hedgehog

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