Because the people designing it know nothing about history or armor or even basic craftsmanship or engineering. Just from this name and picture I know it's another "muh stronk womyn, muh men le bad" propaganda shit piece and those never have actual capable people behind them.
They think armor is just for decoration, not to actually protect you. They also think most of the casualties happen during the battle instead of after one army breaks, and that battles were just a chaotic melee where you are always fighting surrounded by enemies.
>battles were just a chaotic melee where you are always fighting surrounded by enemies.
even GoT is guilty of this
if that were true, common sense dictates that battles would be over in minutes with 90+% casualties on both sides
Yep, a lot of shows/movies do it where it's just a confused melee instead of two actual trained armies. They also kind of treat soldiers as if they don't actually care if they die, instead of retreating once the lines started to break because they don't want to be killed. Not only would the casualties be high on both sides, there would likely be a lot of people killing men on their own side accidentally.
I especially like it when the battle scene shows the soldiers running and impaling themselves on the enemy's pike wall. Like the soldiers are a zombie horde rather than skilled warriors.
say what you want about GoT, but the early seasons had great armor design.
Pic related, while clearly a ceremonial/tournament armor, a lot of effort went into making it.
Regardless of "realism" in the "BMW i5 series" sense or the 'fantasy' sense the difference in quality between this and even costlier shows like
>let's just paint a golden jumpsuit with some pretend scales
$1Billion
speaks for itself. As it speaks for the people in charge of hiring the prop department, running the prop department and manufacturing the actual props.
>and that battles were just a chaotic melee where you are always fighting surrounded by enemies.
This really makes battles in western shows unwatchable.
Thats the beauty of practical effects, theyre real object you can see and feel and actually have some wieght. the anon you responded to is correct though that they would use lighter material to help the actors. I believe they made a real verison of aragons sword but they could only use it in a select few scenes because of how heavy a sword that sise would actually be. All the other shots were done with replicas that are much lighter and easier for the actors to handle.
I think I recall an interview with Peter Jackson where he mentioned the desperate plight of ladies having to weave miles of metal ringlets for the chainmail. A huge amount of effort went into those designs.
It's absolutely pathetic that rope fricked up so hard when costume identity is so well managed in the trilogy >Elven armour is elegant and light, but largely encompassing >Numenorioan armour is early medieval chain with winged helmets and small plates >Rohirrim is Saxon style chain and scales with Theoden and Eomer having more impressive styles >Gondorian is early plate and chain >Gimli wears a simple but functional looking gambeson and armoured cap >Uruk-Hai have brutal and crude looking thick plates >Orcs and Goblins have whatever the frick they can get their hands on
That's just armour alone
Does this really bother people? It looks fine, no it doesn't look real, but it is a TV show. I don't need my actors in 100% authentic armor. That's kind of ridiculous. I feel like we need to dial back everything needing to be real. I don't need gay actors to depict gay characters for example. A gay actor should be able to play straight characters too. Let the pretend and make believe be a thing more than trying to copy/paste the real thing. Like get that horse out there, use a fake one.
For $1Billion you expect a hell of a lot more. Jackson's trilogy, accounting for inflation, only cost half of that and look at the miracle they pulled off. There's simply no excuse for this shitty design.
>I don't need gay actors to depict gay characters for example. A gay actor should be able to play straight characters too.
But normal actors and actresses can't play homosexuals and troons.
because none of the people working in Hollywood give a frick or care about filmmaking as an artform
they're all greedy opportunists who desire clout to stunt on their friends >t. hwood insider
Craftsmen who would handle more exotic costumes got phased out, so their jobs were taken over by tailors, and the producers who should be checking the costumes aren't competent enough to realise when they can't get away with a knitted replica or a bodge job.
>chain main is metal, right? >metal is rigid, right? >make it rigid
That was almost certainly the mindset that led to it.
Maybe someone realised it was stupid, then looked at the time/effort to have someone make a costume that wouldn't look moronic and said frick it
chances are the budget is going up some exec's nose and/or s being spent on a company he or his friends own.
That way it doesn't matter if it's a bomb on paper, because they still got paid and can frick off on a golden parachute later.
You can't even use that for fencing practice. They probably did that because they firstly need to show her face, and secondly because it's much lighter, then they probably thought it looked like a unique design instead of moronic that serves no actual purpose.
talking about legitimacy yet no medieval army would have such perfectly uniform armor/regalia for their soldiers. soldiers would show up in fricking tatters and farm clothing and really only the rich knights could afford actual armor.
Boorman actually wanted to make Excalibur, but the studios said it would cost too much so they offered him Lord of the Rings instead. Eventually he was able to get a studio to fund Excalibur so he just repurposed a bunch of sets and costumes.
This is more an insight or comment on all the production side of things. But with stories about older movies or on DVD special features or whatever I remember that studios used to pay for like these "field trips" and it's like a week 0r two of taking all the artists and or craftsman to see castles or knight museums or just to see the land where battles were fought and all that kind of shit. That was part of the production process it seemed really common as part of making a movie. I'm not sure that happens anymore, but I am sure I don't hear about it. And thinking about shit like Prime or Netflix or any streaming service the idea that they have the money to send people on a work vacation just so they can learn about authenticity seems unlikely.
Oh I know about this!
Basically costume design used to be a passion project, you'd get small one-three man studios doing costumes and practical effects, and they'd get called in as contractors when the big names wanted something.
This was actually something killed by tax policies in the Obama era. I had a blog post accessible at one point but the creator seems to have vanished. Will dig a bit for it.
Update: I can't find it. The person's name was Hunter Cresswell and it's not hard to find his costume design chops (he's credited with a movie) but there are no references to it on his blog or relevant data tracks. How aggravating.
I apologize, being unable to offer data when requested is reprehensible.
Update: I can't find it. The person's name was Hunter Cresswell and it's not hard to find his costume design chops (he's credited with a movie) but there are no references to it on his blog or relevant data tracks. How aggravating.
I apologize, being unable to offer data when requested is reprehensible.
Thanks for trying anon. It’s okay that you’re still talking like a gay. Seriously though, thanks for the info you could provide.
Remember, in less than 20 years, Europe is projected to have a voting age Islamic majority. The SJW reactionsjustifications are going to be incredible.
The worst part is Gondor and its army is supposed to be fricking SHABBY and BASIC compared to the near flawless metal work and craftsmanship of Numenor. Look at the 'pitted' and 'worn' 'metal' with frick all detail and where there is detail its uneven and amateurish at best.
Men of Numenor were supposed to be second only to the elves in the awe they inspired. There are 2000 year old musculata pieces in museums in better condition than those helmets have been made to look.
You see, Tolkien was racist when he wrote that the Numenoreans were superior to lesser Middle-earth Men in every way - height, strength, culture, lifespan. That's why Amazon will make them as diverse as the modern coastal USA.
I think there are a limited amount of people who are really good at it. Digital video plus streaming means so many more productions, and so many more costumes. Warrior Nun is hardly the top of anyone's dream job list; the people who are really good at costume design are off working on other projects.
>Actors and actresses can't be assed with spending hours getting into costume
thats an exaggeration and untrue theres a billion famous roles where they sat still for like 4 hours a day doing elaborate makeup and shit
and if they dont want to frick them, hire other actors, dont compromise the art by hiring lazy fricks
>thats an exaggeration and untrue theres a billion famous roles where they sat still for like 4 hours a day doing elaborate makeup and shit
How about 9 hours? >I guess it was the makeup application. It was no joke! My call time was at midnight to be ready at 9AM. It was a nine-hour makeup process. We did, over the course of three movies, manage to get it down to seven hours, but that was still ... It was a big deal. And I realized pretty early on that was the job. I was getting paid to be a part of that makeup application. The acting was free. The job was getting all that makeup put on!
t. X-Men’s Rebecca Romijn playing Mystique.
They were also a b***h to get into and require the help of a squire or several. Actors and actresses can't be assed with spending hours getting into costume.
anyone who would watch "warrior nun" is already a joke
>Warrior nuns can be pretty rad if done properly
yeah like I said it's not an excuse to make the show badly. if you like bad tv whatever though just admit that it's bad
They were also a b***h to get into and require the help of a squire or several. Actors and actresses can't be assed with spending hours getting into costume.
>thats an exaggeration and untrue theres a billion famous roles where they sat still for like 4 hours a day doing elaborate makeup and shit
How about 9 hours? >I guess it was the makeup application. It was no joke! My call time was at midnight to be ready at 9AM. It was a nine-hour makeup process. We did, over the course of three movies, manage to get it down to seven hours, but that was still ... It was a big deal. And I realized pretty early on that was the job. I was getting paid to be a part of that makeup application. The acting was free. The job was getting all that makeup put on!
t. X-Men’s Rebecca Romijn playing Mystique.
The Drax makeup, just a guy with a special skin color and a bunch of textured tattoos, took about 3 hours a day.
Actors who actually give a shit their work will put the effort in
Sounds silly thing to boast about, considering that many died because of that stuff or had to quit because of health problems that paints caused. Nowadays it's probably nothing. Just sit there and chat while getting paid. Like paid haircut but just on every filming day
doing anything for 3 hours a day almost every day while also working a job and maintaining an insane body is a huge pain in the ass anon
but yeah getting into armor only really takes a few minutes and thats real functional armor meant to take hits and be jostled and knocked around, you could slap together a velcro rig or some shit to make taking it on and off trivial
>doing anything for 3 hours a day almost every day while also working a job and maintaining an insane body is a huge pain in the ass anon
How many millions was he paid to do it? Meanwhile you drive to and from work 1 hour both ways for far less than 1/10th of what he was paid.
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Anonymous
>Meanwhile you drive to and from work 1 hour both ways for far less than 1/10th of what he was paid.
I do not. And I did not say it wasn't worth it, I just said that actors would clearly be willing to put up with the minor hassle of getting in and out of armor for a movie. Why are you so hostile?
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Anonymous
Because nothing is a huge pain in the ass when you're paid millions of dollars to do it.
There's a video out there of some comic book artists from twenty or thirty years ago designing characters as quickly as they can, and they're nerding out with each other and drawing chains and huge pouldrens and heavy steampunk armour clad beasts. Problem is Stan Lee is there and the entire time he's shitting on them, asking what benefit it all has when it comes to fighting crime, or even just mobility. In the end he just gives up and starts looking around the studio. >inb4 not film >inb4 capeshit
The point is that modern design sensibility is entirely style over substance, and we've completely lost sight of anything resembling elegant simplicity.
Because the people designing it know nothing about history or armor or even basic craftsmanship or engineering. Just from this name and picture I know it's another "muh stronk womyn, muh men le bad" propaganda shit piece and those never have actual capable people behind them.
everything before obama is the chud times
history is racist
They think armor is just for decoration, not to actually protect you. They also think most of the casualties happen during the battle instead of after one army breaks, and that battles were just a chaotic melee where you are always fighting surrounded by enemies.
>battles were just a chaotic melee where you are always fighting surrounded by enemies.
even GoT is guilty of this
if that were true, common sense dictates that battles would be over in minutes with 90+% casualties on both sides
Yep, a lot of shows/movies do it where it's just a confused melee instead of two actual trained armies. They also kind of treat soldiers as if they don't actually care if they die, instead of retreating once the lines started to break because they don't want to be killed. Not only would the casualties be high on both sides, there would likely be a lot of people killing men on their own side accidentally.
I especially like it when the battle scene shows the soldiers running and impaling themselves on the enemy's pike wall. Like the soldiers are a zombie horde rather than skilled warriors.
>even GoT is guilty of this
>even
GoT is probably the worst perpetrator you gay
say what you want about GoT, but the early seasons had great armor design.
Pic related, while clearly a ceremonial/tournament armor, a lot of effort went into making it.
Regardless of "realism" in the "BMW i5 series" sense or the 'fantasy' sense the difference in quality between this and even costlier shows like
speaks for itself. As it speaks for the people in charge of hiring the prop department, running the prop department and manufacturing the actual props.
imagine landing a punch with that gauntlet. Fricking destructive
>even GoT is guilty of this
Implying GoT is some standard of realism
>and that battles were just a chaotic melee where you are always fighting surrounded by enemies.
This really makes battles in western shows unwatchable.
>let's just paint a golden jumpsuit with some pretend scales
$1Billion
and put it in a mutt
"Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it"
the armor in LOTR was mainly fibreglass or other synthetic materials, but they actually managed to make it look kino and real for the most part
errrr... no? most was real, thats the amazing part
sure? i apparently was told the wrong thing then
thats even more impressive
Dude they spent two years forging armor and swords before they even started casting.
maybe you confuse it with hobbit or rings of power. they were less serious there
Thats the beauty of practical effects, theyre real object you can see and feel and actually have some wieght. the anon you responded to is correct though that they would use lighter material to help the actors. I believe they made a real verison of aragons sword but they could only use it in a select few scenes because of how heavy a sword that sise would actually be. All the other shots were done with replicas that are much lighter and easier for the actors to handle.
I think I recall an interview with Peter Jackson where he mentioned the desperate plight of ladies having to weave miles of metal ringlets for the chainmail. A huge amount of effort went into those designs.
why didn't they just get indians to make it? was the indian larp gear industry not a thing at that time?
30 years ago? no
It's a bonus feature on the extended dvds. He says something to the effect of most of them ended up not having finger prints from making armour.
It's absolutely pathetic that rope fricked up so hard when costume identity is so well managed in the trilogy
>Elven armour is elegant and light, but largely encompassing
>Numenorioan armour is early medieval chain with winged helmets and small plates
>Rohirrim is Saxon style chain and scales with Theoden and Eomer having more impressive styles
>Gondorian is early plate and chain
>Gimli wears a simple but functional looking gambeson and armoured cap
>Uruk-Hai have brutal and crude looking thick plates
>Orcs and Goblins have whatever the frick they can get their hands on
That's just armour alone
mogged by eastern europeans
>Grey shitty armour
what is that a hussite wagon?
That looks pretty good as far as set and costuming, is there a trailer?
Amazon shills: there were a handful of blacks in European folklore so it makes sense the numenorean queen is an ugly mutt
One billion show for you.
>"I'll just go into battle wearing my tatty old loose sweater and Lycra leggings, nobody will notice."
finest elven synthetic polyester
christ those people should be drowned after birth
Does this really bother people? It looks fine, no it doesn't look real, but it is a TV show. I don't need my actors in 100% authentic armor. That's kind of ridiculous. I feel like we need to dial back everything needing to be real. I don't need gay actors to depict gay characters for example. A gay actor should be able to play straight characters too. Let the pretend and make believe be a thing more than trying to copy/paste the real thing. Like get that horse out there, use a fake one.
For $1Billion you expect a hell of a lot more. Jackson's trilogy, accounting for inflation, only cost half of that and look at the miracle they pulled off. There's simply no excuse for this shitty design.
Yeah everything should just look shitty and cheap, I fricking love slop, yum yum, keep it coming Hollywood!
This must be a golden age for you then. Marvel alone must be keeping you fed for months at a time.
>I don't need gay actors to depict gay characters for example. A gay actor should be able to play straight characters too.
But normal actors and actresses can't play homosexuals and troons.
Being a shit-eater should be punishable by death.
because none of the people working in Hollywood give a frick or care about filmmaking as an artform
they're all greedy opportunists who desire clout to stunt on their friends
>t. hwood insider
they do a little trolling
Craftsmen who would handle more exotic costumes got phased out, so their jobs were taken over by tailors, and the producers who should be checking the costumes aren't competent enough to realise when they can't get away with a knitted replica or a bodge job.
but op picrel is particulary egregious
like, everybody knows that chainmail is not rigid
>chain main is metal, right?
>metal is rigid, right?
>make it rigid
That was almost certainly the mindset that led to it.
Maybe someone realised it was stupid, then looked at the time/effort to have someone make a costume that wouldn't look moronic and said frick it
but these shows cost millions and millions of dollars
its just baffling to me that something like that would slip through quality control
chances are the budget is going up some exec's nose and/or s being spent on a company he or his friends own.
That way it doesn't matter if it's a bomb on paper, because they still got paid and can frick off on a golden parachute later.
same reason everything else in movies/tv sucks now
they hire based on identity politics instead of talent
women
You can't even use that for fencing practice. They probably did that because they firstly need to show her face, and secondly because it's much lighter, then they probably thought it looked like a unique design instead of moronic that serves no actual purpose.
>a unique design
i mean, every time i drop a turd it makes a unique shape
doesn't mean it's particularly pleasant to look at
post armor kino
Legend of the seeker at least had bad guys who wore gear that seemed reasonable.
Forgot pic
>they could only afford one helmet
talking about legitimacy yet no medieval army would have such perfectly uniform armor/regalia for their soldiers. soldiers would show up in fricking tatters and farm clothing and really only the rich knights could afford actual armor.
moron.
that creature on the right is an eyesore
iirc that production started out as a LoTR attempt before they said frick it and made Camelot Kino of the highest order
Wish those guys went out to made LotR later
Boorman actually wanted to make Excalibur, but the studios said it would cost too much so they offered him Lord of the Rings instead. Eventually he was able to get a studio to fund Excalibur so he just repurposed a bunch of sets and costumes.
Was hoping the show would be a fun throw back to silly action shows like xena but by the 2nd season they were barely even nuns
Actress is cute though
it's silly show but nice that they make movies about it
>get punched with a bare fist
>mask destroyed
In a land of all right handed swordsmen, the lefty is king
Is this rings of power? Holy shit. Who are they supposed to be?
no, wheel of time
I swear I had a set of armor that looked just like that on my Gunbreaker back when I played ff14.
what the hell is that from? and why do they have modern haircuts and antique farm equipment?
This is more an insight or comment on all the production side of things. But with stories about older movies or on DVD special features or whatever I remember that studios used to pay for like these "field trips" and it's like a week 0r two of taking all the artists and or craftsman to see castles or knight museums or just to see the land where battles were fought and all that kind of shit. That was part of the production process it seemed really common as part of making a movie. I'm not sure that happens anymore, but I am sure I don't hear about it. And thinking about shit like Prime or Netflix or any streaming service the idea that they have the money to send people on a work vacation just so they can learn about authenticity seems unlikely.
They just google “medieval Europe” and browse through the images.
anyone who would watch "warrior nun" is already a joke
it's just silly ya tv show
not an excuse for it being so bad
but i like that type of stuff, stupid but fun. cw shows, nun warrior,vampire academy, wolf pack. it's just silly fun dude
we get it, you like bad shows
sorry for being entertained by shows that you aren't entertained by.
watched it because the MC makes me diamonds and it's fun to laugh at how dumb it is
how is she gonna dive into the ground
Oh I know about this!
Basically costume design used to be a passion project, you'd get small one-three man studios doing costumes and practical effects, and they'd get called in as contractors when the big names wanted something.
This was actually something killed by tax policies in the Obama era. I had a blog post accessible at one point but the creator seems to have vanished. Will dig a bit for it.
why do you write like such a gay?
Excitability and two days sleep dep. I'll tone it down.
I'm still digging. Will post when I find it, iirc the policies didn't account for inflation and he was priced out of his business via a wealth tax.
Update: I can't find it. The person's name was Hunter Cresswell and it's not hard to find his costume design chops (he's credited with a movie) but there are no references to it on his blog or relevant data tracks. How aggravating.
I apologize, being unable to offer data when requested is reprehensible.
Thanks for trying anon. It’s okay that you’re still talking like a gay. Seriously though, thanks for the info you could provide.
I’d be very interested to read that anon.
If you can’t find it can you give a quick run down on how tax policies led to their decline?
Not surprising the show was cancelled. The story and costumes were a joke.
She already likes posting naked videos so at least she'll still be able to get a job.
The show probably shit, but twitter trannies saved it with the power of shitpost
SJWs sure don't like to live in the clown world they did their utmost to create when it concerns them.
Remember, in less than 20 years, Europe is projected to have a voting age Islamic majority. The SJW reactionsjustifications are going to be incredible.
Numenor at the height of it's power equips it's soldiers with ill-fitting Chinese knockoff helmets.
Jesus christ, designing a nose covering that doesn't cover the nose because the helmet doesn't fit properly is pathetic.
Isildur, son of the leader of the Faithful and Numenorean royalty wears some abomination.
what is this pointy arrow between their eyes supposed to be according to them
The worst part is Gondor and its army is supposed to be fricking SHABBY and BASIC compared to the near flawless metal work and craftsmanship of Numenor. Look at the 'pitted' and 'worn' 'metal' with frick all detail and where there is detail its uneven and amateurish at best.
Men of Numenor were supposed to be second only to the elves in the awe they inspired. There are 2000 year old musculata pieces in museums in better condition than those helmets have been made to look.
Damn I forgot how fricking KINO Gondorian armor is in the trilogy. Those helmets and spears are fricking sweet as.
That single shot of the Gondorian soldier at the battle of the black gate completely mogs anything from OH LAWD DEM RANGZ
Faramir's charge was epic.
Why are the Numenoreans Indian?
Numenoreans were swarthier of skin back then
You see, Tolkien was racist when he wrote that the Numenoreans were superior to lesser Middle-earth Men in every way - height, strength, culture, lifespan. That's why Amazon will make them as diverse as the modern coastal USA.
I think there are a limited amount of people who are really good at it. Digital video plus streaming means so many more productions, and so many more costumes. Warrior Nun is hardly the top of anyone's dream job list; the people who are really good at costume design are off working on other projects.
Why won't the ESG bubble pop?
because they own the money printer
Form follows function. A shitload of armor that was actually used irl makes 99% of "stylized" movie armor look like ugly dogshit
>Actors and actresses can't be assed with spending hours getting into costume
thats an exaggeration and untrue theres a billion famous roles where they sat still for like 4 hours a day doing elaborate makeup and shit
and if they dont want to frick them, hire other actors, dont compromise the art by hiring lazy fricks
>thats an exaggeration and untrue theres a billion famous roles where they sat still for like 4 hours a day doing elaborate makeup and shit
How about 9 hours?
>I guess it was the makeup application. It was no joke! My call time was at midnight to be ready at 9AM. It was a nine-hour makeup process. We did, over the course of three movies, manage to get it down to seven hours, but that was still ... It was a big deal. And I realized pretty early on that was the job. I was getting paid to be a part of that makeup application. The acting was free. The job was getting all that makeup put on!
t. X-Men’s Rebecca Romijn playing Mystique.
meant for
Warrior nuns can be pretty rad if done properly
>Warrior nuns can be pretty rad if done properly
yeah like I said it's not an excuse to make the show badly. if you like bad tv whatever though just admit that it's bad
They were also a b***h to get into and require the help of a squire or several. Actors and actresses can't be assed with spending hours getting into costume.
The Drax makeup, just a guy with a special skin color and a bunch of textured tattoos, took about 3 hours a day.
Actors who actually give a shit their work will put the effort in
Sounds silly thing to boast about, considering that many died because of that stuff or had to quit because of health problems that paints caused. Nowadays it's probably nothing. Just sit there and chat while getting paid. Like paid haircut but just on every filming day
doing anything for 3 hours a day almost every day while also working a job and maintaining an insane body is a huge pain in the ass anon
but yeah getting into armor only really takes a few minutes and thats real functional armor meant to take hits and be jostled and knocked around, you could slap together a velcro rig or some shit to make taking it on and off trivial
>doing anything for 3 hours a day almost every day while also working a job and maintaining an insane body is a huge pain in the ass anon
How many millions was he paid to do it? Meanwhile you drive to and from work 1 hour both ways for far less than 1/10th of what he was paid.
>Meanwhile you drive to and from work 1 hour both ways for far less than 1/10th of what he was paid.
I do not. And I did not say it wasn't worth it, I just said that actors would clearly be willing to put up with the minor hassle of getting in and out of armor for a movie. Why are you so hostile?
Because nothing is a huge pain in the ass when you're paid millions of dollars to do it.
to be fair that design is shit to begin with so they all wasted their time and money
Yeah...the producer got horny, After main actress let him shit in her face at yatch party he can't say no
There's a video out there of some comic book artists from twenty or thirty years ago designing characters as quickly as they can, and they're nerding out with each other and drawing chains and huge pouldrens and heavy steampunk armour clad beasts. Problem is Stan Lee is there and the entire time he's shitting on them, asking what benefit it all has when it comes to fighting crime, or even just mobility. In the end he just gives up and starts looking around the studio.
>inb4 not film
>inb4 capeshit
The point is that modern design sensibility is entirely style over substance, and we've completely lost sight of anything resembling elegant simplicity.