it honestly would be really great to have a superman-like character give a heartfelt speech like that that, in their head sounds really good, but when it comes out everyone just gives them a "I can't believe you just said that ignorant, cringe-ass fortune cookie shit, I genuinely respect you less now" kind of look and for it to actually impact their opinion of that hero character and the "spell" of their charisma is broken and now everyone just sees him as a dumb butthole who happens to be bulletproof, I feel like you'd need a really talented writer to pull off that tightrope balance between sincere and cringe and drama-queen vibes.
Oh shit, really? Nice! I never got deep into legitimate comics history, I've always been on the "cartoons" side of Cinemaphile, but that's pretty cool. Like I'm sure you're exaggerating for the sake of a joke, but if that's even partially canon that's pretty awesome for a deconstruction of a character.
No that pretty much is the crux of the story, Superman refuses to abandon his ideals even is shit gets worse and worse. A bunch of heroes disagree and form a faction willing to kill. Huge fight eventually breaks out. A decision is made to nuke the entire lot of them. Then this happens.
superman SHOULDN'T abandon his ideals. It's his entire character. But that also means, sometimes it's okay for him to be the butt of a joke. He can take it. He's a tough cookie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You sound like a rapist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I have no idea how you come to that conclusion, but okay
Oh. Well I might go check it out anyway. Never really did the actual reading comics thing, the format fricks with my head and my ability to retain what's going on. Same with manga. I much prefer a full-length graphic novel or even just a book. Cutting things up like that is always tough on my old walnut.
Not exclusively, mind you. Sincerity from noble figures is one of two things that really, really gets to me on a deep-down level. That and nobility and self-sacrifice from figures who aren't expected to exhibit it, like Mordin sacrificing himself because "someone else could get it wrong", or a robot character letting himself be left behind because "I am non-critical mission resources, not a crew member". I just like the idea of not taking such a serious character so seriously. Just a little bit, here and there.
Kingdom come is largely a commentary on how we should think of superheroes and what people want from them. Stuff like whether they kill or not and how serious they should be/how seriously should we take them. It's an excellent comic, and you'll get the most out of it if you are at least vaguely familiar with comic book trends in the 90's.
Nice! Thanks for the recommendation. Is there anything specific I should know before looking it up? Is it the conclusion of some sort of arc I could google the history of? I'm used to the mostly one-off animated films like Man of Tomorrow, so if there's anything relevant lore-wise that isn't default, I'd like to know going in.
It just helps to be vaguely familiar with major DC characters like the core Justice League members, Captain Marvel/Shazam, Joker, Lex Luthor, etc as well as what kind of comics were being made in the 90's stuff like death of Superman, Batman: Knightfall and the general trend of wanting more antiheroes. It might also be good to look up the spectre if you aren't familiar with him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh good, so general knowledge stuff. I don't have to know that three issues ago Golden Lad got murdered by The Iron Drake and that's supposed to be a big deal, or something.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>don't have to know that three issues ago Golden Lad got murdered by The Iron Drake and that's supposed to be a big deal, or something
You never really need to know these things.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's still annoying to grab a comic where someone refers to a past event and a yellow square appears telling you "if you want to know how Commander Fistfight's cousin almost destroyed the space time continuum read issue #924 of the previous series!".
Try again, loser
Remind me again how you were killed by those you tried to save and how your followers spent 2000 years spreading the message of "Love thy neighbor" through violence
Alex ross was painting models from real life.
Also he painted it at 25 years old. Being able to do a fully painted comic like that at that age is insane.
Is KC the ultimate catch-22 for supergays? >siding with Supes ends in disaster because not all villains can be reformed >siding with WW ends in disaster because oppression violence will eventually boil over and lead to conflict
The story even ends with Supes being all "yeah we fricked up again, we'll just keep trying harder lol"
> >siding with Supes ends in disaster because not all villains can be reformed
This isn't what happened. What happened was far worse.
Superman just jailed the other superheroes yet never checked out on what Lex Luthor and other supervillains were doing. Like, he was too busy being a moralhomosexual that he forgot to deal with LITERAL SUPERVILLAINS until they just nuked his ass
He's right though.
Would Sheero and Superman get along?
Wonder hag's face in the second panel makes me chuckle.
She's looking like "Yeah, homie, that's the POINT!!"
If you don't think a war is worth fighting then people dying in it is a big deal.
true
Barda is looking at Superman like "ur big tarded"
while Dick's looking at Wonder Woman like "the frick happened to you, crazy b***h?"
it honestly would be really great to have a superman-like character give a heartfelt speech like that that, in their head sounds really good, but when it comes out everyone just gives them a "I can't believe you just said that ignorant, cringe-ass fortune cookie shit, I genuinely respect you less now" kind of look and for it to actually impact their opinion of that hero character and the "spell" of their charisma is broken and now everyone just sees him as a dumb butthole who happens to be bulletproof, I feel like you'd need a really talented writer to pull off that tightrope balance between sincere and cringe and drama-queen vibes.
you literally just described Kingdom Come homedog
Oh shit, really? Nice! I never got deep into legitimate comics history, I've always been on the "cartoons" side of Cinemaphile, but that's pretty cool. Like I'm sure you're exaggerating for the sake of a joke, but if that's even partially canon that's pretty awesome for a deconstruction of a character.
No that pretty much is the crux of the story, Superman refuses to abandon his ideals even is shit gets worse and worse. A bunch of heroes disagree and form a faction willing to kill. Huge fight eventually breaks out. A decision is made to nuke the entire lot of them. Then this happens.
>SUperman never abandons his ideals
And that's a bad thing because?
superman SHOULDN'T abandon his ideals. It's his entire character. But that also means, sometimes it's okay for him to be the butt of a joke. He can take it. He's a tough cookie.
You sound like a rapist.
I have no idea how you come to that conclusion, but okay
Didn't say it was. The escalation was going to happen regardless
It's not, the story goes to show that it's not. Kingdom Come is about pointing out how both sides of the Kill/Spare argument can frick up.
>Armageddon
>focus of the image drawing the eye to Marvel's Big Marvel.
He's grifting, the story wants you to think Superman is in the right but his actions in the comics are that of a coward.
Oh. Well I might go check it out anyway. Never really did the actual reading comics thing, the format fricks with my head and my ability to retain what's going on. Same with manga. I much prefer a full-length graphic novel or even just a book. Cutting things up like that is always tough on my old walnut.
Sorry, but I don't believe you.
Why do you want to see goodness fail?
Not exclusively, mind you. Sincerity from noble figures is one of two things that really, really gets to me on a deep-down level. That and nobility and self-sacrifice from figures who aren't expected to exhibit it, like Mordin sacrificing himself because "someone else could get it wrong", or a robot character letting himself be left behind because "I am non-critical mission resources, not a crew member". I just like the idea of not taking such a serious character so seriously. Just a little bit, here and there.
Kingdom come is largely a commentary on how we should think of superheroes and what people want from them. Stuff like whether they kill or not and how serious they should be/how seriously should we take them. It's an excellent comic, and you'll get the most out of it if you are at least vaguely familiar with comic book trends in the 90's.
Nice! Thanks for the recommendation. Is there anything specific I should know before looking it up? Is it the conclusion of some sort of arc I could google the history of? I'm used to the mostly one-off animated films like Man of Tomorrow, so if there's anything relevant lore-wise that isn't default, I'd like to know going in.
It just helps to be vaguely familiar with major DC characters like the core Justice League members, Captain Marvel/Shazam, Joker, Lex Luthor, etc as well as what kind of comics were being made in the 90's stuff like death of Superman, Batman: Knightfall and the general trend of wanting more antiheroes. It might also be good to look up the spectre if you aren't familiar with him.
Oh good, so general knowledge stuff. I don't have to know that three issues ago Golden Lad got murdered by The Iron Drake and that's supposed to be a big deal, or something.
>don't have to know that three issues ago Golden Lad got murdered by The Iron Drake and that's supposed to be a big deal, or something
You never really need to know these things.
It's still annoying to grab a comic where someone refers to a past event and a yellow square appears telling you "if you want to know how Commander Fistfight's cousin almost destroyed the space time continuum read issue #924 of the previous series!".
>see goodness fail?
Where is the Goodness in meekly refusing to do anything to the guys that want to kill you and your loved ones?
This is as bad as that anime meme of "Did you know that people die if they're killed?" Lmao
It's funny because it looks like non of them realized that before he said it
To me it looked like they were passionate about their objective and didn't want to be reminded of the consequences. Superman burst the bubble.
Because he's the greatest hero of all time.
Superman after saving Mufasa.
>Because he's the greatest hero of all time.
Ahem.
>Ahem
I think you mean Amen
no, he means "ah, men"
he's either gay or a feminist, depending on the inflection of "ah"
Try again, loser
Remind me again how you were killed by those you tried to save and how your followers spent 2000 years spreading the message of "Love thy neighbor" through violence
Why does this comic look like they just ran some cheesy photos from the 50's through a paint filter?
Alex Ross chooses to make superheroes look like people, not steroid boosted mutants with zero body fat and painted on clothing.
Alex ross was painting models from real life.
Also he painted it at 25 years old. Being able to do a fully painted comic like that at that age is insane.
If you kill your enemies, they win.
Is KC the ultimate catch-22 for supergays?
>siding with Supes ends in disaster because not all villains can be reformed
>siding with WW ends in disaster because oppression violence will eventually boil over and lead to conflict
The story even ends with Supes being all "yeah we fricked up again, we'll just keep trying harder lol"
> >siding with Supes ends in disaster because not all villains can be reformed
This isn't what happened. What happened was far worse.
Superman just jailed the other superheroes yet never checked out on what Lex Luthor and other supervillains were doing. Like, he was too busy being a moralhomosexual that he forgot to deal with LITERAL SUPERVILLAINS until they just nuked his ass
because supes is a boy scout.
he's impervious to pretty much everything that kills a normal human, so his view of what's necessary is skewed.
>is a boy scout.
Boy Scouts aren't morons
it's a state of mind, not an IQ qualifier.
>a state of mind,
Boy Scouts aren't taught to not do anything while they are being obviously threatened by others
>absolutely disgusting.jpg