I gave Spider-Man zoomerverse a try and I got a fricking migraine after 5 minutes.
What the frick is this hyper stimulating hyper visual hyper vivid LSD trip like dog ass trash? There is constant motion on the screen at all times, the background there’s always a million little things moving all the time like I’m tripping acid.
What the frick is this low frame rate trash?
Look at the shrek movies, they were solid animation and were easy on the eyes and moreover made for easy viewing by anyone.
Now with this puss in boots instalment it’s taken a page out of spiderzoomerverse and now I’m seeing the same exact low frame rate animation?
Tell me who in their right fricking mind prefers this? It’s objectively worse. Why does it exist? To save money or something? Is this where we’re at in 2023?
I feel like I have gone genuinely insane. I’m 30+ and within my life I have seen constant improvement within all aspects of life except within the last few years everything has gone to shit
I feel like the old guy in shawshank redemption where he leaves the jail and nothing makes fricking sense anymore
Frick off you zoomer homosexuals you have ruined my reality
Imagine being 30+ and still having serious opinions about children's movies. Man child much.
fpbp
This isnt about a children’s movie you homosexual. This is about principle. Why are things worse now? If they were the same I wouldn’t care, but they are actually worse and it’s not about puss in boots, it’s about Hollywood and everything in general and it’s dumb zoomers like you who eat it up instead of pointing out that you’re buying something shitty and used to be better 20 years ago
its pretty easy for you to say this as trannies who will never have children but for those that do and watch them with their kids its another story
I'm 35 and I have opinions about children's movies because I have to take my kids to see this trash.
This. I might watch the movie cause it looks like a mindless way to spend 90 minutes but gosh I'm not going to put an ounce of thought into it
>new standard
>only 2 movies have done this
Dishonest post
I don't watch many animations but the Lego movies are like this too.
Lego movies is purposely doing i to emulate the home-made stop-motion aesthetic.
Akira has done it and pretty much every animation motion picture from japan.
The influence of cheap TV anime
I like it? maybe because the allusion or animation or stop motion helps me forget I'm just looking at 3d models?
>I like it?
Quick question: with the question mark declaration thing, are you a troony or just a homosexual.
Quick question: with the missing question mark thing, are you a moron or just a Black person?
zoomers have ADD
>Frick off you zoomer homosexuals you have ruined my reality
Can someone explain the tendency to blame a broad, general, and loosely associated group which has no real input on the subject that certain grievances are aired in relation to?
It's very common.
Lack of critical thinking skills.
It's a sign of low intelligence (yes, seriously). Unsurprising at all given this adult also unironically watches children's movies. I'm getting he has a bunch of marvel posters on his walls and other marvel merch.
>which has no real input on the subject
It's a profitable movie that won awards. There's a lot of input.
>zoomers go see movie and make it billions dollars
>execs see this as sign to keep doing the same thing again
not hard to figure it out anon. are you autistic or mentally challneged by chance?
it's easier than finding the exact root of the problem
Fair take. Didn't read OP but if he said that yea, he's moronic:
When the stupid talk about something they don't know anything about they need something or someone to shift blame onto because they're incapable of finding the actual cause.
Maybe you'd have a point, but the Shrek films are obscenely ugly
Post comparisons of shrek movies to spider verse or zoomerpuss in boots
Shrek movies are like a classical painting and the nuzoomer trash is like someone took a gigantic corn infested shite on a white rug
You're so painfully unfunny
I would break your thin dry jaw bone with my fist you stupid zoomer homosexual I’m not even trying to be funny or even amuse you you dumb homosexual your brain is literally rotten
>I would break your thin dry jaw bone with my fist
Is this your make a wish request?
When Japs started doing 3D animated anime, a lot of the shows went with a low framerate style to emulate the look of cheap low framerate 2D anime. That's where Spider-Verse also copied the gimmick from.
To my knowledge the first example of the intentional low framerate 3D is in Guilty Gear Xrd, they went 3D but wanted to keep their signature 2D look so they kept the low framerate as well.
Arc System Works games actually create the illusion of 2D at times, but Spider-Verse and Last Wish just look like they're glitching out, there is no way anyone could mistake anything from either of those movies for being 2D.
Black Rock Shooter(the anime the dude is talking about in here) was before GGxrd
Fricking moron
Not an argument. Cope.
If it makes you feel any better, the guy who invented modern animation and literally wrote the book on animation thinks low FPS is corner cutting trash in every case.
He also wrote that text lamenting the sad state of modern art schools that don't do any actual draftsmanship and are instead filled with rich kids doing "avantgarde" subversion for subversion sake, which is basically what's going on with these artificial framerate cuts, they're only done to subvert the standard because coming up with something actually new and innovative takes creativity and skill.
The art schools text.
Interesting stuff in the pic, thanks.
Yeah, and his fight-scene stuff looks like floaty trash because he insists on only using 1s.
how about that.
Floaty movement is a timing/spacing issue, please don't talk about things you don't understand Dunning-Krigger
Nice link to examples.
If you learned how to read instead of being a chudcel, you'd know Williams would prefer Puss in boots 2 over 1.
And he'd complain about the arbitrarily low framerate
It's not arbitrary
It is
Why do you deliberately make your posts harder to read?
I gave Spider-Man zoomerverse a try and I got a fricking migraine after 5 minutes.
What the frick is this hyper stimulating hyper visual hyper vivid LSD trip like dog ass trash? There is constant motion on the screen at all times, the background there’s always a million little things moving all the time like I’m tripping acid.
What the frick is this low frame rate trash?
Look at the shrek movies, they were solid animation and were easy on the eyes and moreover made for easy viewing by anyone.
Now with this puss in boots instalment it’s taken a page out of spiderzoomerverse and now I’m seeing the same exact low frame rate animation?
Tell me who in their right fricking mind prefers this? It’s objectively worse. Why does it exist? To save money or something? Is this where we’re at in 2023?
I feel like I have gone genuinely insane. I’m 30+ and within my life I have seen constant improvement within all aspects of life except within the last few years everything has gone to shit
I feel like the old guy in shawshank redemption where he leaves the jail and nothing makes fricking sense anymore
Frick off you zoomer homosexuals you have ruined my reality
much easier to read, you made your post look 3 times bigger with what you did and as an low attention span zoomer that is annoying
But you just made it harder to read? Paragraphs you dumb frick lol
frick CGI
Sir you need to take your meds. You are not being the happy consumer you should be.
This is it. This is the post that's making me leave Cinemaphile. So long everybody! Enjoy hating good media because they are popular and it makes you feel smarter to criticize, you fricking dingleberries.
>good media
have a nice day
see you tomorrow!
>Consume goyslop or I WALK!
bye
well first is influence of anime, and trying to look 2d, all that fight is textbook anime.
But either way framerate reduction in 3d is not cutting cost like it can be in 2d, is a deliberate choice, and animation is not videogames, framerate is not the most important thing, this is why even high end budget animations don't really go over 24fps, the most important thing is having good keyframes with the right timing and motions, you can have a 10 frames motion and looking redundant, instead a 5 frames motion looking better than that, sometimes animators go out of their way to remove frames in order to make the movement better and snappier.
It's not real life
But anime INCREASES framerate in action scenes, they'll cut corners an entire season to afford a 24FPS fight scene at the end
not really, anime has a "dynamic" framerate, is not always constant, for example take picrel,
anime generally animates backgrounds in 1s, and here is animated in 1s, blonde girl is still for a bit and basically background, white hairs are animated in 1s and 2s, when character moves are made in 2s and 3s and sometimes even 4s, with impacts being on 1s, and effects being on 1s, so is not constant but increases at the need of faster motion.
from the 00:02 to 00:03, there are 11 different character frames in a 24 frame run
Most hand animation has variable framerates because that's the logical way of achieving the best results without conforming to an arbitrary standard, thay does nothing to change the fact most of the videos in the sakuga booru are trying to be as high FPS as they can, especially compared to the regular non-action scenes.
Sounds like a skill issue.
>t-they did it just to save money
If that was the case, the bulk of the movie would be low frame-rate and the short sparse action scenes would be high framerate.
It's only used in action scenes because it makes key frames stand out more and gives this kind of dynamic slingshot-esque feel to movement.
You can think it looks like shit if you want but at least don't be a complete utter moron about it.
You can do the exact same thing in 24FPS or 60FPS
>japs does action significantly better than the west
>west starts to emulate it
don't see the problem here
It's better for making your keyframes stand out, and makes action scenes easier to choreograph in general.
High frame animation has always been a meme. It's a ton of effort for miniminal retuns.
>if I use technical sounding terms like keyframes people will think I know what I'm talking about
3D already diminishes the punchiness of any hand designed poses or compositions compared to 2D, removing frames in an attempt to recover the impact is like chopping off your other leg because chopping off the first one made you walk wobbly. All of this is then negated by busy as shit ADD color vomit backgrounds filled with million particle effects that draw attention to themselves away from the supposed glamour keyframes.
Post your work, homosexual.
You first
Lol, figured.
>dude i read richard's book so now i am le master of animation see see he said it so it is the word of GOOOOOOD
>nooooo what do you mean I have to back up my claims with something??
lmao artlet go tape more bananas to walls
>he STILL can't provide anything showing he actually animates
I was just memeing but oh god. You really did just read his book and assume you're now some absolute authority on this stuff didn't you.
>still ZERO examples of his work to back up his claims
>now backpedaling about how they were just "memeing"
Lmao
>still nothing when asked first
Concession accepted.
You made your claims first homosexual
No, you did, homosexual. With your appeal to authority over MUH RICHARD BOOK.
>literally wrote the book on animation
Lmfao. And you're calling others Dunning-Krigger.
Post your work, Black person.
>dumb homosexual can't even follow reply chains
Not surprising
Still waiting.
For what dumb homosexual, I never mentioned the Richard book, I was replying to
with
For your work, master animator.
Oh but you made the claims first, so I insist, back up your claims with something first so we can see if they're even worth refuting with other backed up claims, or if we can dismiss them based on the quality of your work
So you're not going to show it, then? Ok, as long as you understand your opinion is as worthless as mine.
Your claims are worthless until they are backed up by your work, they don't need to be refuted with strongly backed up claims until then either
>give you another chance
>you still concede because you're not an actual animator
Concession accepted again.
There's nothing to concede since no backed up claims were made, and what's claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
for the 2 gays arguing about pyw, I made this animation yesterday (not the masterfully animated girl, just the shitty animated dude), rate my masterpiece
>t's a ton of effort for miniminal retuns.
Not in CGI
Studios can cut their budget in half by reducing the framerate by half. Halves render time and speeds up animation process. High frame rate CG movies look like shit anyways.
They have to keep the framerate low to make every frame beautiful. You've had like half a decade to understand this. See also ArcSys.
i don't get why people think this looks shit
Poor style choice. Looks like they couldn't decide if they wanted to go for realistic looking, clay, stop-motion, 3D looking or cell shading, so it's like a mix of all.
Why did you remove half the frames?
>3D animation is finally getting off it's ass and applying 2D animation techniques
>illiterate philistine doesn't like it and wants lazy animation again
Low framerate isn't a 2D "technique", it's a corner cutting measure, see
See
Old 3D animation didn't do squash and stretch. Current 3D animation does.
What does this thread have to do with Locomotion (1989)
The West is desperately trying to ape Japanese animation. And failing miserably.
>I feel like I have gone genuinely insane
No shit
>got a fricking migraine after 5 minutes
>What the frick is this hyper stimulating hyper visual hyper vivid LSD trip like dog ass trash?
You want to stay away from Flashdance, which came out in the 80s. I don't have a problem with flashing lights and that had me look away from the screen. Not a big deal on youtube, but it's jarring when at 4K fullscreen in a dark room.
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As for the low framerate, I agree. But not only for animated, for everything. We should have movies at 60fps, but we're still at 24.
>got a fricking migraine after 5 minutes
kys genetic failure
imagine being filtered by basic animation techniques lmao
indeed. do they not employ people that know the basics anymore?
Such as
Just stick to your Tard Shows and leave us normal people alone.
These movies are literally designed for burned out ADD zoomies who need at least 9 different things happening on 4 different screens to feel stimulated though
literaly me but with porn on all screens
I'm there with you
I just don't get it, it looks terrible and it's a step backwards
Everything is getting lower standards and forgetting the greats before us, it's like everything must be ugly or obtuse on purpose
The reason why they use low framerate is its faster to render and thus costs less and kids+normies won't notice.
everything else is still moving at 24fps so you are wrong
I think the actual style of the movie is good but I don't like the animation on twos
it's for the same reason video games have hitstop, ie catering to moronic manbabies who think it's cool
Every new artistic style filters someone and now it’s your turn.
This. It's literally just a stylistic choice. It's fine if OP doesn't like it, but he's a moron for not recognizing that it was a deliberate design choice on the end of the creators, not some zoomed brainwashing technique.
>it's MEANT to look like shit
This excuse never flew
Spider-man did it for Miles because he was a clumsy goofball at the start of the movie. His framerate is half of all the other Spider-men, and he's animated on ones by the end of the film. In fact, you see him transition to it when he's swinging away from that base in the woods.
Puss did it for the giant because he is lumbering
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP it doesn’t fricking matter the reasons it looks like shit
This is literally not true, all of the character are animated in 12FPS and 24FPS at various times in the movie and various scenes, some regular and some action
Puss in Boots takes a lot of inspiration from anime -which surprise!- tends to have dogshit animation.
>I gave Spider-Man zoomerverse a try and I got a fricking migraine after 5 minutes.
I'm sorry you were born weak, and a disgrace to your family. Do you have any redeeming qualities? Like sucking wieners well, to pay for rent?
Consoom and move on. Pay more than before even if it cost them less.
>watched avatar 2, it was way too long
>watched puss 2 afterwards, awesome movie
>recommend it to my coworkers
>"dude that's a kids movie lmao"
tell them it has iron man in it and they'll watch it
It's funny how people give marvel movies a pass even though they're kids movies as well.
Is the Wolf supposed to represent the force of nature? I don't really get it.
Yes.
Not really. He is the personification of death, but he has personal grievances as well which nature doesn't. He's closer to something like a greek god.
you know what, now that I think about it this puss in boots movie is more "adult" than most marvel movies.
anime is like 4fps and is what all the trannies making this slop watch