Why isn't Dickbabs as popular as Dickkory with casuals? I never see Dickbabs fanart/videos/panels go viral like Dickkory does.
They have Young Justice, the Arkham video games, and a couple Batman shows where they interact a lot (The Batman 2004 and BTAS/TNBA), and all of those minus The Batman are very popular.
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The Teen Titans and Teen Titans GO shows combined have more episodes that any other piece of DC media created I think. So those shows have a lot of pull and if not for the 2003 cartoon Starfire would probably be a mostly forgotten character.
With the exception of Dick Grayson, the Teen Titans cartoon has defined its cast.
TTGO in no way shape or form shipped this pairing though?
It does. They even kissed in the episode where Robin learned to nose whistle.
They cut to the credits right before their lips touched, and I loled and clapped my crinkly feet together like a big baby when they did. But that other Anon is right, Go usually portrays Robin as this schizo creep with an inferiority complex and fish breath.
It keeps the TT show in the public spotlight.
Because normalgays all know of the Titans from the cartoon. Multiple generations have grown up on TT and TTG while barely anybody touches comics.
That's because the Titans don't have great comics. Their heyday was Wolfman and Perez seething and trying to be "X-Men but with added degeneracy" and failing.
good because the teen titans comics are pure junk.
characters randomly dying first or second chapter.
the most inane plots that mishandle charactes left and right.
things like character specific villains like brother blood whose better off being a cyborg villain being turned into some raven x trigon x batboy wank.
its just pure junk.
kid flash and the other supercloneswonderwuman clones have that nobody cares or asked for being pushed upon us 24/7 with some incredibly moronic plot.
Dick and Barbara was barely a thing before O neil and Dixon got Dick Grayson again. I even remember some pre crisis issues with Bruce and Dick talking about the second love interest were Joker's daugher and Donna.
Dixon only used the short lived batfamily ongoing to have both together.
I don't cares which one is going to end with dick tough, I prefer a writer who focus in his villains like Pygg, Raptor or Gordon
DickBabs wasn't a focus in Young Justice. They only had a few background scenes across all 4 seasons.
The Arkham video games had Barbara dating Tim Drake for some reason.
BTAS/TNBA/BB was Timm telling the world he wants to frick his son's girlfriend. Awkward.
There was no shipping in The Batman They were both children.
You're ignoring all the DickBabs shipping in Batman Family.
Dick's 70s harem was Terri Bergstrom, Lori Elton, Babs, Bette, and Duela.
Dick isn’t and shouldn’t be Bruce’s son. It’s generally accepted that he debuts as Robin at 12-14 years old in Year 3, making Bruce 28-29. They’re brothers. Jason has a better case of being Bruce’s son.
Jason wasn't around long enough and Tim had a dad, none of them really are his sons.
Meaning only Damian can be considered his son. Points to him then. Timeline-wise, he’d still work just fine under the 10 year rule for present-day DCU by having Bruce train under Ra’s pre-Year One.
>having Bruce train under Ra’s pre-Year One.
moronic.
Batman Begins did it.
That doesn't mean it should be incorporated into comic canon.
I hate this Jason as a bad seed retcon bullshit. People need to go back and actually read the runs that had him, like the Cult.
>I hate this Jason as a bad seed retcon bullshit. People need to go back and actually read the runs that had him, like the Cult.
Blame Jim Starlin for ruining Jason Todd because he didn't understand Batman at all and blame Winick for cementing Jason as the edgelord Robin in the eyes of people who don't read comics.
part of it is also just the fact that the Batgay writing crew have these weird complexes about Jason, resulting in him and Bruce being perpetually trapped in a clusterfrick because of Bruce being mentally ill with his hyperfocused complex about killing people and his controlling nature meaning that in a lot of ways his sidekicks are extensions of himself so unlike say, Wonder-Woman or most versions of Superman outside of Injustice he can't let them slide on it from time to time.
Or at least that's the watsonian explanation I'd give for the fact that very, very specifically Jason Todd and Azrael aren't allowed to frick up or disagree with Bruce and why the writers always have him go autistically apeshit whenever they do and narratively point out that Bruce has a serious and valid character flaw that stops him from from being the best Batman he can be, IE the whole "If he starts he won't stop" thing related to killing because apparently if his self control breaks once it's going to just be gone.
It's always trotted out as the big line to not cross and for heartfelt dramatic speeches but it's never actually discussed what the implications of that are, IE that if Bruce didn't have that problem then yes he would be better at his job, and Jason kind of forces that conversation to keep trying to happen just by existing, but they're never going to let it actually go through.
It's ironic too because honestly of the mainline Robin line up Jason legitimately is the only one who would make a great Batman if Bruce was actually killed off or retired as it stands, not that this will ever be allowed to happen, but still, Dick wants to be his own man, Tim's always been kind of bland and would just turn Batman into a more regular superhero, and Damian would turn Batman into an extension of the League of Assassins/Shadows inside of a few months. Jason is the only one who wants the job who could actually do it and who would actually try and stay true to being Batman.
>Or at least that's the watsonian explanation I'd give for
You don't have to make excuses for DC. They don't do critical thinking and will retcon or re-tool anything that doesn't make Batman or his flock look like the heroes. RH and Azrael only do that when they become a cautionary tale.
>Jason is the only one who wants the job
That would be Damian. Maybe Tim if Bruce is dead.
Jason usually wants the job.
It's one of those things where the future stories always handwave it as "He had character development and the coin ended up heads" to the question of Damian's "He's kind of the bad egg but his future is up to who he becomes" shtick. Since the timeline doesn't actually move much though these days that never quite happens.
As it is at any point in Damian's life atm if you just had Bruce die and he became Batman without the others interfering or taking up the cowl instead, he'd become what people think AzBat was inside of a few months of wearing the cowl since a lot of what tones him down and keeps him on the straight and narrow is Bruce's parental authority, particularly since SuperSons aren't a thing anymore.
Eh, he still has Dick, and Damian being a bad egg always depends on how the writer feels that day, I for one think Damian could be a fine Batman, but I could definitely also see him bringing the League into it, maybe even reform it.
>Jason usually wants the job.
Mainly in Battle for the Cowl from what I remember, but part of Damian's character is that he feels entitled to the Batman mantle, so yeah, he also wants it.
And like the other anon said, Tim can also be Batman if the need arises, but only reluctantly.
No shit he feels entitled to it. The idea behind Damian is that he went through 7 years of training like his father, but as a child. He started at 3 years old and finished at 10. Kid saw and did a lot of fricked up shit. Shit that no kid should’ve seen or done. Shit he has to live with for the rest of his life. He probably had moments where he wanted to give up, to just lay down and die. But the possibility of standing alongside his father, of becoming the new Robin and eventually Batman kept him going. To persevere through it all to become someone that his father can be proud of. To be worthy of his love. Kid went through 7 years of hell, thinking it’d be all worth it in the end. Then these other heroes who didn’t go through what he did prove to him the opposite. That it wasn’t all worth it. That it was all for nothing. Why wouldn’t he be so angry?
I mean, if Batman died, I could also see Damian autistically trying to follow Bruce's code as much as possible.
Or he decides that the code was why his father failed, it could go either way.
Reluctantly the thing is there. And I feel like the difference is Jason has always wanted to prove he deserves it rather than expecting it to just be his inherently. Jason actively wants it but also wants to earn it if he has it as part of his weird father complex about Bruce and his approval.
>Damian would turn Batman into an extension of the League of Assassins/Shadows inside of a few months
We've had a handful of future Batman Damian stories, has this ever happened?
I can only think of Batman Beyond where Damian leads the League, but he's specifically not Batman there.
>blaming only Starlin adn Winick
The only writer who managed to write a punk-ish Robin since Starlin got his hands on him, was Miller.
>last minute change
Source? Otherwise it's seems like a natural result of Tim being Robin and Nightwing being an optional character in the arkham games.
This and Bruce isn't looking for a son when he pick up a Robin.
>Meaning only Damian can be considered his son.
He factualy is. I wouldn't say Bruce is more of a father with him. It's not like he wanted to have Damian.
Dude, read Batman and Robin by Tomasi. Bruce is very much father to Damian in this and he risks everything to revive him.
That book got as cringy and maudlin as Tom Taylor's Nightwing or Scott Lobdell's RHatO when making Bruce into BatDad.
That book was nothing like Tom Taylor's Nightwing. Tomasi makes his characters actually struggle and writes complex relationships.
Could it be that you just dislike Bruce having close relationships and have a weird hard-on for loner Batman?
Loner Batman only works in his early years. Even then, he still has Alfred helping out and the occasional team up with Superman. Once Dick’s in the picture, all that changes. Robin, Justice League, Batgirl, Outsiders. Year 3 and up, he ain’t no loner. Loner Batman in the present just turns him into buttholeBats who alienates everyone to the nth degree. It’s a shit way to write Batman.
Why are you explaining that to me, I think loner Batman sucks
>read Batman and Robin by Tomasi
I did and it was horrible and only matter for that book. Some writer like to push their favorite/newest sidekick as Batman's favorite. It always read as wish-fullfillment and pure hypocrisy since Bruce usually throw the rest under the bus. If you're just going to single one book and pretend the rest is filler, there's way more instances where Tim or Dick are awarded as the special snowflake.
The book doesn't try to push Damian as Bruce's favorite nor did I say Damian was Bruce's favorite.
I was only pointing out that Bruce not treating Damian as a son and not wanting him was bullshit.
Try to actually deal with what I'm saying, dude.
>The book doesn't try
It does.
>I was only pointing out that Bruce not treating Damian as a son and not wanting him was bullshit.
I know, I've read that comis. The guy is a huge damigay. My point was how Bruce isn't looking for a son through Robin or behave like a father 90% of the time. He also never wanted a surprise baby. I don't see why that's even trigger you. Every comics could be another tomasi run from now on and that wouldn't change that unless DC retcons a shit ton of things, including Damian's origins.
Bruce straight up adopted Jason; the whole reason Jason exists was to set up a story where a "mother" figure (Nocturna) messes with Batman and Robin's dynamic. Moench wanted a kid Robin for that so they had Jason made since Dick was on the Titans.
>Nocturna
>Bruce straight up adopted Jason
In pre-crisis with a completely different Jason. Since Post-crisis, Bruce only mentions it was his intentions when he must justify Jason's death to social services.This isn' a plotpoint outside of Bruce having late man-angsts.
And that was before DC went full retcons after Jason's death and made him this bad apple. Atm, many comics have hammered in that Bruce only took Jason in to keep the kid off the wrong path, that he's been Robin for 2 years and half at best, and replaced a few months later. It's fricked up.
Jason was Robin way less than that. A year at most, looking at how little the Teen Titans aged during that era. Dick had just turned 20 when Jason died. Confirmed in the 1997 timeline.
lmao Bruce was more a son to Jason than he ever was Dick. He adopted him and Dick was kinda sad about it because Bruce never adopted him until 2000.
In Batman the Animated Series? Dick is his son. Also, Dick is 10 in Robin's Reckoning.
In the comics. Pre-Zero Hour, he was 12 when he became Robin. Post-Zero Hour, he was 14. This was done to keep present-day DCU at Year 10 so that Batman and Superman would be 35 always.
The post is talking about Batman the Animated Series you complete tard.
Also, pre-Zero Hour Dick was 8 when he became Robin.
>Also, pre-Zero Hour Dick was 8 when he became Robin.
No he wasn’t. Post-Crisis had Batman and Superman at Year 10 of their respective careers. Dick had to be 12 in Year 3 to have NTT make sense in that timeline.
Apologies for not being clear. Dick's starting age was 8 pre-COIE. It was 10 post-Crisis to Zero Hour.
Post-Crisis Dick was 19 and Bruce was 35.
Year Three (and Year Two) weren't published till later.
You can check for yourself in Secret Origins #13.
Of course there's plenty of times in New Titans, Titans, Nightwing, etc. where they forget and still talk about Dick being 8 or 9 when starting.
Year Three was published in 89 right after Jason died and featured Tim’s first appearance. It was meant to be THE post-crisis version of Robin’s origin at the time. Present-day DCU was at Year 10. And Batman: Year One established that Robin wasn’t a thing yet in Batman’s first year. So, logically he’d have to debut at either Year 2 or 3 to account for NTT.
Every origin retelling is meant to be THE origin, that's the point.
Also, it was 10 years after the death of Dick's parents in Year Three.
No shit, I know. Just like Man of Steel was and then Birthright for like five minutes. After that, Secret Origin. It’s really only Batman who had the same origin for decades until Snyder decided to put his hat in the ring. Even then, people still preferred Year One anyway.
There are no “casuals” on social media, dude.
Dick should be the same skin color as Bruce, Tim, Jason and Alfred
And Damian for that matter
His long-standing appearance shouldn't change just because some writer retconned him to be Gypsy, he could be retconned as israeli and that wouldn't change anything now would it
People don't realize the Batfam guys have to look as homogenous and generic as possible to keep the secret identity thing going
If Bruce takes in a brown kid and Batman later gets a brown kid sidekick, that would be suspicious
It's so stupid. Dick's mom as a gypsy in France, so she's probably Gitanos. His dad's side is super Anglo-Saxon. Unless he's going tanning, he's never going to look that dark.
Robin fluctuating in age is also suspicious.
It's common knowledge that there are multiple Robins. It's been a plot point in several stories.
Then why would it be surprising they have different skin tones?
How did Bruce get past Jason dying, it was implied Joker figured it out but why not others too
When Bullock met Robin Tim, he thought that Robin Jason had a growth spurt and had gotten taller. So probably most people understand Robin 1 (Dick) grows up, then a new shorter Robin 2 (Jason) grows up (Tim), then the very brief tenure of the girl Robin 3 (Steph) who died, and then new little boy Robin 4 (Damian). That's four Robins total.
Jason really wasn't publicized that much in-universe. He never left Gotham much or met other heroes, and obviously Batman didn't announce Robin's death at the same time that Bruce Wayne's foster kid was murdered under unknown circumstances. Almost nobody showed up to Jason's civilian funeral, and there couldn't be any rites for Robin.
Jason is only Bruce's son when other characters mock him for his daddy issues, or sometimes when Bruce needs a sad moment. Other than that, it's like Talia being Bruce's crazy ex-girlfriend who is delusional thinking their fling was more important than it was. Jason is Bruce's crazy ex-roommate who deluded himself into thinking they had more of a personal relationship than Bruce ever actually reciprocated. Bruce "adopted" him as a formality, like how some people get "married" for immigration papers. It's like sponsoring a work visa, not a family.
Gunn already announced Damian as Bruce's "real son" for the movies, Batfamily fans need to get a grip.
>Zero Hour timeline
Look, not to defend Jason, but everyone agrees Zero Hour is moronic and makes no sense for the timeline. It also makes Batman look extra psycho if he puts an undertrained prepubescent kid on the front lines, gets him killed, and then immediately gets a new one a few weeks later. Nightwing 1996 implies he did it on purpose to get back at Dick for leaving him, that's fricking psycho behavior.
Also Tim supposedly deduced Batman and Robin's identities by watching them on the television, yet Batman and Robin are URBAN LEGENDS of whom no footage exists? Zero Hour is stupid.
>Nightwing 1996 implies he did it on purpose to get back at Dick for leaving him, that's fricking psycho behavior.
It was already implied as early as 1988 when Jason was still alive.
>It was already implied
It was true early in post-crisis. DitF also states it and has Bruce acknowledges he was compromised here. It's the last time DC acknowledges that. Jason got retconned as a complete bad apple and Robin was his rehabilitation program. Bruce is no longer in the wrong or emotionally compromised here.
I hate how DC chugs batwiener
>He never left Gotham much or met other heroes,
Jason actually did interact with the Titans briefly and had a kid brother relationship with Donna. He was also penpals with Kid Devil.
Post-Zero Hour, Dick debuted as Robin at 14 years old and becomes Nightwing at 17. Honestly, they could’ve had him become Nightwing later and have Jason die right before Tim debuts like in actual canon. Don’t know why they separated that shit by two years.
Ah yes, all of the robins being white is what keeps the secret identity thing from blowing up. No one could possibly guess otherwise.
It's one thing of many
>If Bruce takes in a brown kid and Batman later gets a brown kid sidekick, that would be suspicious
What he does already is super fricking suspicious
Why did they make Starfire an ugly black creature?
> Korygays get recognition
> it’s in cartoons where the name Kory is never me tuned and fanart where they make her black
Yeah you have victory, but at what cost?
>Sees black Starfire
>Leaves immediately and never engages with that version for he character again
Dickbabs is boring and predictable.
ROBIN AND BATGIRL FRICK
wow so creative.
I mean, I think Dick should be with his no-longer-jailbait ex sidekick. He can redeem her with his wiener.
That is a hive of bees he should not stick his dick in, regardless of how hip it may be.
Dick and Barabra have spent their entire history together in a stupid will they won't they relationship. Because of this next to no adaptations have actually treated them as a serious end goal couple. Meanwhile Kory and Dick have the 03 cartoon, the DCAMU and Titans where they are treated as an endgame couple.
>Why isn't Dickbabs as popular as Dickkory with casuals?
Starfire never slept with Bruce.
dickbabs is boring and they have the chemistry of soggy noodles to go along with no good stories. They have a horrible influence on each other with Babs usually being b***hy while Dick has his IQ chopped in half. There's also this weird thing where people in general who care about this stuff want all bat boys to get snu snu'd
>”No really, DickKory is a good ship!”
>remember the mid to latter half of NTT where the wheels spin and around and nothing happens
Lmao
What are you talking about? I loved it when Kory had to go home and get married and frick a Tamaranean prince for political reasons and Dick was a jerk because he didn't want to stay in space as her concubine.
I loved it when Dick was raped by an illusionist and got victim blamed for not being able to tell the difference between his girlfriend and the impostor.
Top tier stories, let's do it again.
Shit like this is why the original cartoon is the best version by default.
that's just the general nature of capeshit. Various levels of soap opera shit and wheel spinning. People still seem to like the good times more than the dumb bullshit
Because the 2003 series was extremely popular with late Millennials and Gen to the point that it has more cultural relevance than most DC content. The real question is honestly why doesn't DC try to capitalize on this more, like they seem to actively avoid synergy between the topics despite Raven and StarFire probably being the most popular female characters DC has.
>The real question is honestly why doesn't DC try to capitalize on this more
Teen Titans Go! (8 seasons and 4 movies)
TITANS on HBO (4 seasons)
DCAMU Teen Titans (2 movies)
Cyborg in the Justice League in the comics and Snyderverse
Kami Garcia OGNs
Taylor/Scott New Teen Titans series
Just because most of it is shit doesn't mean they're not trying.
Cyborg being in the League was more of a nod to Galactic Guardians than TT.
IIRC it's actually because either Johns or Byrne really, really fricking wanted Hal Jordan for their JL line up's Green Lantern and wanted to kill any chance of it being John Stewart by putting in a token black guy to fill a quota. They somehow decided "I want to play football" Cyborg was who they were going with, fricking over brand synergy while rewriting his backstory, and that he'd be the League's tech guy, instead of like.
Mr. Terrific or something.
Basically Halgays strike again.
Hal draws dimes, his sidekicks don’t.
actually barring the typical sales boost from "insert iconic artist/writer" or a special event/long runner, most of the big name lanterns sell about even, historically with the exception of Guy who actually tends to be the only one who can actually sell a non-GL book and carry it for awhile, even if it's still usually GL adjacent.
Also Hal will forever have the stain of the worse GL and arguably comic run of all time attached to him after Morrison's schizophrenia episode he vomited onto a comic page.
Also, Hal’s movie flopped.
Yeah because of WB’s mishandling of it.
>Also Hal will forever have the stain of the worse GL and arguably comic run of all time attached to him after Morrison's schizophrenia episode he vomited onto a comic page.
Can’t say it when that Thorn run put the GL in the grave. That homosexual Morrison does deserve flack for cutting down the GL.
>actually barring the typical sales boost from "insert iconic artist/writer" or a special event/long runner,
Never seen someone concede defeat right out of the gate like that
Anon, that statement applies to all of the Lanterns in that context. Learn to to read, you ESL-frickules.
I accept your concession
But even then alot of the actions taken by DC make it seem like they're stand offish towards the Titans. There's alot of little things that build up. Like them not having an official earth number despite popular series like Young Justice and the DCAU having one, even DC Superhero Girls has a number. Cyborg being put as a Justice League member. Hard deconfirming Babs and Kory and Dickbabs making super duper canon.
It just feels like the writers at DC don't really care about Titans as a group.
>It just feels like the writers at DC don't really care about Titans as a group.
They do care about the NTT because that's the only rendition to make some money. Why do you think the "newest" rendition is the NTT version? They don't use the 2003 version because its fanbase don't like comics, they like manga and anime.
The attempts to decanonized Dick and Kory has a lot more to do with writers/editors waifuing Barbara and SIing as Nightwing and the usual batschizo episodes DC staff has sometimes because they feel like Starfire can't possibly fit in Batman/Gotham's narrative environment and they refuse to let Nightwing leave Gotham City and be his own man basically ever again for any real period of time, he MUST be a Batman accessory now.
The later is a pretty similar impulse as to why Batman is usually fine if Jason is blowing no-name thugs brains out but goes fricking ballistic whenever the concept of letting Jason kill the Joker or anyone who matters comes up, it ties into these weird voodoo complexes most of the writers have developed, usually during their own fan days, about Batman's "identity", the kind of weird mystery cult-esque "we do it because we do/god is beyond your understanding" cargo cult shit that Metal was originally making fun of and lampooning before it almost immediately started taking itself too seriously.
Dick IS a Batman accessory as he’s a Batman character. You can’t dissociate him from the Batbrand. Having him lead the Titans won’t change that just as having Batman in the Justice League doesn’t change him.
you say that but for a while it genuinely looked like Dick was going to move on and do other things, even beyond the titans. Of course that all got stomped out as he got chained to Batman, but we're pretty much flips of a coin away from an entirely different Dick/Nightwing
Dick was also chained to Batman. He was created literally one year after Batman to be his sidekick and was that for decades in ALL media. Even when he became Nightwing, he still was treated as a Batman character with him being part of the family in TNBA, the animated films and the Arkham games. He’ll always be a Batman character. ALWAYS.
>oh yeah that's Dick Grayson BATMAN'S first Robin, who was trained by BATMAN into an elite crime fighter he's Nightwing to get away from BATMAN's shadow. Did we already mention how much he want's to be independent of BATMAN
You can't actually believe that
>The attempts to decanonized Dick and Kory has a lot more to do with writers/editors waifuing Barbara and SIing as Nightwing and the usual batschizo episodes DC staff has sometimes because they feel like Starfire can't possibly fit in Batman/Gotham's narrative environment and they refuse to let Nightwing leave Gotham City and be his own man basically ever again for any real period of time, he MUST be a Batman accessory now.
I don’t blame them. Dick lost out on the best era of Batman while he hung around a team that screamed early 80s while the rest of comic teams modernized.
Wider audience don't want supes in their Batman. It's not what he is know for and it's his niche. Starfire or where Nightwing's name come from are two thing mass audience and some fans don't care about or want to acknowledge.
The most appeal the 2003 series is the idealized version fans have in their head.They like Raven as a big tittyGoth GF who likes fricking animal dick and Jynx as the other goth Starfire as the naive also horny girl. Basically, they like SoL elements. Which doesn't sell monthly books. It can sell OGNs though, which the Gabriel Picolo books do and those sell well.
It's why besides the Terra and Trigon arcs you almost see no discussion over the TT cartoon
They do, it’s just it’s really shit.
Could’ve taken the opportunity the New 52 gave them and reset everything to a more Silver Age status quo. This way you’d have Dick as Robin and the 5 year timeline would make sense as Year 4-6 is where the Silver Age is accepted to take place. With this, you’d have the opportunity to do a book based on the cartoon Titans with Dick as its Robin.
>why doesn't DC try to capitalize on this more
they are with the kami garcia ya graphic novels and those are dc's bestselling paperbacks.
Then why aren't the Titans as a team currently canon and active with that line up. Like you'd think if that was the most popular ya graphic novels they'd take a hint and use those characters and make them a mainline team.
dc has tried and failed to get kids back into their regular comics. dc's ya and kids graphic novel lines were made because they were unable to reach kids with them. that's also why they go to writers who do ya and children's books instead of getting their regular writers to work on their ya stuff, because their regular writers can't write things kids want to read.
>Then why aren't the Titans as a team currently canon and active with that line up.
I legit think DC knows that the Titans don't sell anymore but hence why they're marketed to the YA and not even the NTT version, but the 2003 version. They're trying now to push them as the replacement for the JL with Tom Taylor but everyone knows its going to be temporary because the Titans don't have the weight of the JL.
>the most popular ya graphic novels they'd take a hint and use those characters and make them a mainline team.
Because the audience who likes the team isn't the type to buy monthly books. they buy manga volumes and OGNs. The OGNs are the format they want. Most toon Titans fans don't even care about them fighting villains.
Would Cinemaphile read a shonen style graphic novel series following Dick Grayson as Robin?
God no.
No because I hate shotagays
>shonen style
They could have had this with supersons but lmao DC.
wasn't the williamson robin comic basically just shonenshit and people lived it? if dc had been less moronic with the manga they made last year i'm sure a robin one would have been popular. more popular than fricking superman eating or joker being a dad were at least.
Then why not make a comic in the style of manga to get that community to buy it.
Again, that's basically what the Gabriel Piccolo books are. They're basically that zoomer western but manga influenced without just going for big eyes and other stereotypes style. If you look at all the fanart for the 2003 TT cartoon, that's basically the style that resonates with them. Not necessarily straight up anime.
>Then why aren't the Titans as a team currently canon and active with that line up.
They literally are. They just added Donna and Wally.
Unironically TT03
most people would say "uughh they are like siblings?!?!" and other dumb shit like that
but the actual reason is that they are boring together, or well barbara is the boring one really
I really wish the Titans would frick off for once. They had their spotlight in the mid 80s but they've overstayed their welcome every time they get pushed by the editorial.
Starfire is sexier.
imagine being as insufferable and as miserable with their life as this artist is.
Its so sad you can tell if someone has daddy issues and mental problems just by the way they draw.
That pic is cancer.
Also Bruce Timm soured Barbara for tons of people. His non-stop shilling for Bruce and Barbara has done untold damage to both characters.
Teen Titans cartoons made it a thing, Dick and Babs never had a big successful romance arc in any cartoons or movies or games which are the only thing anyone cares about.
Hickory Dickkory Dead
>blackfire
I’ll be honest guys, the backstory that the first Nightwing was actually a kryptonian superhero was is dumb as hell.
Dick spent a lot of time with superman. He's probably the 2nd most influential person in his life even if it has been played down a lot, outside of world's finest I guess
I mean it's not just backstory, the name and concept of Nightwing as Krypton's Batman predates Dick as Nightwing by decades. Wolfman chose the name specifically because he's from that 70's class of comics fandom that loved callbacks to niche shit like that.
I think people have a knee-jerk reaction to it because the movies,Arkham games, and to an extent BTAS(even if it's part of the DCAU) give the Gotham cast a very isolationist feel that makes people who get in through that feel bothered when they're reminded Batman exists in a world where Superman and other heroes do.
If they wanted to go all the way with Dick being Nightwing, then Kara should’ve been Flamebird instead of random b***h Bette. It just makes sense.
Starfire also seems like a natural answer too. Precrisis Dick and Kara almost never interacted(I know everyone loves the couple now thanks to WF).
Bette was the first batgirl you fricking ingrate
Who nobody cares about except contrarians
They ship her with Bruce.
This is what painted Timm as the greasy pervert in the eyes of fans.
Only because they couldn't find a voice actor with a deep enough voice for Killer Moth.
Keith David?
starfire blackwashing is a crime
This art is vandalism. What an assault on the eyes.
>6'6"
What the frick bros? Nightwing is a manlet?
Databooks say Nightwing is 5'10"--average for an adult American man, tall for a gymnast. He's not a manlet at all, he's just surrounded by demigods and women in ridiculously high heels and men built like football players.
Babs and Helena are both supposed to be 5'11".
Unpopular opinion but I miss the original Disco suit, it's Nightwing's best look and helps hammer home that he wasn't just a diet-Batman. Modern Nightwing looks like someone sanded the camp off of the Batman Forever suits.
The disco suit was already a decade out of style and then Dick went further out of style with the 90’s version.
it's a fricking superhero costume, show me where outside of a gimp parade Batman has ever been in style, homosexual.
Anon it looks like shit. It was the mid 80s, not 1976.
So? Discowing is fun and camp
Easily his second best outfit after the fingerstripes suit
Classic Batman treated Dick with more respect than modern DC
Because Babs is shit, OP.
Babs is hotter than Kory
Because Barbara is shit and DiDio can go ahead and continue to cope about that.
Didio thinks the Titans suck?
Yeah Didio actually had a hitlist for one of the crisis events and the timeperiod around it and among the bullet points was fricking over the Titans, they made him feel, er, they made Batman and Superman yes totally, old and he hated them.
He also wanted to destroy Superman's marriage.
Barbara Gordon STINKS since New 52. She was a great character back in like 2002 when she was Oracle and was leading the Birds of Prey, but now she's one of the most boring characters on the Bat-Family alongside Kate Kane. I don't understand the appeal of the character besides being hot, she's basically Dick's version of Silver St Cloud. She only exists as a mouthpiece for Dick with no agency, or drama, or villains, or objectives, or nothing really, she adds nothing to Nightwing's character. The only reason I think that they are on a relationship is because Bat-Editors want full control of their characters, so keeping Nightwing on the BatFam dating a character from the Batfam will keep Nightwing and Batgirl on their hands.
The absolute state of Korykeks
Ironically, this pic is from a time when Barbara was a good character. 22 years ago.
Kory was a great character too until that schizo Scott Lobdell got his hands on her on his Red Hood and the Outlaws run on New 52 which portrayed her as stupid prostitute with a IQ of 10 that couldn't stop asking for penis every 20 seconds and had nothing to add to the plot. They ruined the character for me there and I don't know if she ever recovered from that on Rebirth because I don't follow her comics.
But still, the Starfire Pre-52 and specially Starfire from the 2003 cartoon are a far superior love interest to Dick Grayson than Barbara ever was. Now that Didio is gone I really hope they either fix Barbara or throw her away, what a fricking annoying character. The next writter on the Nightwing book is a diehard Nightwing x Supergirl shipper, so expect more nonsense.
Starfire was kind of shit pre-New 52 as well though. She was doing nothing interesting and was fricking Captain Comet out in space to kill time on a space ship.
What the hell is that monster on the right and what happened to Starfire?
None of those had Robin and Batgirl's romance as a big component so it isn't as memorable as Robin and Starfire's romance in Teen Titans which was a big part of the show from the very beginning.
HBO Titans had a black starfire that made her and the relationship with dick popular among black roasties on twitter
The show's final scene is dick and kory talking about having a kid together
Babs a cute.
Batman isn't interested in alien pussy so he can't cuck Dick.
Chances of Tom Taylor’s Titans flopping?
nightwing gays love taylor, so they will support it.
Like 0.0000001% chance of flopping. It's Tom Taylor. He sells, he knows how to appeal to Folks.
10% chance of inspiring the character designs and team roster for an adaptation, which could also rewrite the story into something tighter and more interesting
0.1% chance of Tom Taylor writing something worthy of the art, 0% chance of it being worthy to the heritage of comics as a medium and storytelling genre
It'll do mid at worst
First issue shows it'll be like his Nightwing, more fluffy and having fanservice with like maybe a serious page every issue to remind people there is a plot there somewhere, even if it takes 40 issues to finish it
Dick Babs has never really been that popular outside of Batman comics. And even in comics they arnt really that popular. Also Dick and Babs are not together at all in most Batman content anyways. Babs was with Tim in the Arkham Games. And in BTAS they only dated for like two episodes and a movie. And in The Batman Dick was like 13 and Babs was 18..
>Babs was with Tim in the Arkham Games.
That was a last minute change for some reason on the devs end.
Kinda shows how shit Dickbabs is when everybody just puts her with whoever is Robin at the time. Given how badly the DCAMU sucked off Damian they probably would’ve had Babs want to frick him too.
>the devs are fricking up
>WELL IT LOOKS ITS ALL DICKBABS FAULT
Arkham City had a terrible plot, shipping Babs and Tim makes perfect sense.
What happened to Star? Did she get caught in a building fire and forget to take a bath afterwards? She looks dark.
>meme format
reddit ruined the internet
All things Babs-related went to shit when they decided Babsgirl was better than Oracle.
Did they ever explain why Babs became a supergenius when she became a spinal and stopped being a supergenius after her legs started working again?
Babs was always a supergenius. As Batgirl she was a PhD, and Batgirl Year One retroactively explains that she skipped several grades, graduated high school early, and never had to study because she has a photographic memory.
Babs just devoted more energy to her incredible brain once she was disabled from squandering it on running around in high heels, practicing karate (lol), and trying to look like a sexyfied genderbent Batman cosplayer while fighting off 200-pound psychopathic men in a city that is canonically stated to be the rape capital of North America. Babs never had more physical and spacial intelligence compared to the other Batgirls, everything indicates she's better off filling the genius sexy librarian niche unless Cass and Steph are both contrived out of the picture.
Being Batgirl is way better than being Oracle.
it's not. It's like going from being a ceo to a burger flipper
>Oracle
>CEO
More like a secretary.
She wasn't going to get a solo book as Oracle. Oracle kind of was spinning her wheels going nowhere for ages before the reboot. The people most upset with her going back to Batgirl were Cass and Steph fans who constantly attack Babs now for taking their Batgirl identity.
Dating a sexy alien is cool
Young Bat dating lady Bat is kind of boring by comparison.
>tfw the hot, sultry, steamy summer of 1992
Babs' pussy must taste like honey for Dick to pick her over anyone else in the DCU.
THREE
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