why isn't this show discussed here more often? it is incredible in so many ways and blows any other "comedy" show aired in recent years out of the water, let alone animated ones.
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apparently everyone stopped watching after Vice because it was different than previous seasons
The show suffered from:
>Later seasons moving away from what people liked - that mixture of a parody of franchises like Bond coupled with a office sitcom about spies. Many people particularly didn't like the coma seasons, which were: 1) ultimately meaningless, 2) had the characters acting differently each new dream to the point they were effectively new characters, 3) were simply not that good in terms of comedy.
>By the time they did move back to trying to recapture the early focus and feel (in the last few seasons) it was the case: 1) too much had already changed with the plot and characters to enable it, and 2) many people had simply stopped watching.
>In general the jokes became stale and repetitive.
>As
says, there is not really much left to say about it. Plus, that comes on top of the majority of people checking out or only partially watching/half-watching the show come a certain point.
Because there isn't anything left to talk about a show that has been on for 13 seasons.
I worked on this show for years, and even I don’t think it’s all that good, OP.
It's reddit
It's kind of funny but also pretty cringe
i recall liking it before the coma bs, picked it up again for the last few seasons and got incredibly bored. did it change or was it just me?
A lot of those shows don't hold up, Venture Bros is the exception for me
Different writer(s) after season 10
It was losing it's edge before the coma seasons, that's why they tried the coma seasons at all. For what it's worth the Danger Island season was pretty good.
The real problem is that "LOUD NOISES" became almost every joke. The characters keep trying to interject to get one more line in like they're on a talk show fishing for a good soundbite.
I watched it again recently and I still enjoyed the first couple seasons, but then noticed it sliding in quality pretty quick and stopped.
They try and recapture S1-4 but, the dynamics have changed too much to truly do so. They may be back to being spies but, the show has to deal with the setting being different, the characters being in different places as people, the relationships between them being different, and the general baggage of other seasons.
H. Jon Benjamin has played the same character for 25+ years at this point....
...and he's still has some of the best bantz in animation
Shh, please don't let zoomers know about Dr Katz
Too late, I know about it from my parents and the fact that the whole show's up on youtube
It went to shit and flanderised all ita characters and witty writing into catchphrases and stereotypes in 3 seasons. Everyone just becomes nasty and stop acting like anything resembling real people, so they can do their quirky reddit humour bits.
A shame because its starts off being genuinely good.
It's too high-brow. The Cinemaphile references goes over my smooth brain.
I really used to like it but, as others pointed out already, the coma seasons felt like an identity crisis for the show that they never fully recovered from
The thing about the coma seasons is the idea (at least partly) was to keep the show from going stale. You can see that mentality as far back as Vice. Which frankly, I can understand the reasoning behind even if both idea and execution were bad.
Really, FX should have just left it be, though I suppose there was enough money and greed for them to keep it going. Still, from a creative standpoint it would have been better to have wrapped the show up anywhere at some alternate S4, S5, S6 or S7.
There were parts of the coma seasons that I really liked but I couldn't help but think they could've just found a way to justify the setting changes. Or - if they really wanted to be ballsy - drop the idea of keeping the entire cast and just keep Lana and Archer
The problem with the coma seasons is the characterisation of the characters. They may look like the characters we have seen previous but, they are not truly the Archer characters in personality or relationships. Each coma season changing the setting does not help this issue as it just resets the characters for the audience to relearn again. At the same time, for the coma seasons to work, it still require the audience to have some meta-knowledge about the 'real' versions of those characters.
This may not work (being worst or little better than what we actually got) but, why even make them coma seasons if they wanted to go that direction? The noir one is sort of rehash of them being PIs, so just lean closer into those elements (maybe as some sort of in-universe heighted realism that is lampshaded); for the adventure island one just have the crew undercover for some season long mission on a adventure island; for the space one just go balls to the wall and have the crew go on a planetary romance / space opera adventure.
Because Adam Reed left after the last coma episode.
I think the first few seasons are among the best-written for an animated show I've ever seen but I have no desire to watch 13 seasons of it slowly dragging itself to death
It's not like there's really some over-arching story to conclude, so I don't care
>It's not like there's really some over-arching story to conclude, so I don't care
It really didn't live up to its name.
I liked Vice and I'm tired of pretending I didn't
Vice was fine. They were a group of disgraced, dysfunctional spies and that finally caught up with them so they started selling cocaine. It made sense and allowed for a lot of jokes.
The coma seasons are where I lost interest. I get that they were trying to keep it fresh but at that point the show had overstayed its welcome.
Watching Archer drag out for 13 seasons really makes me wonder what that greenlit-then-canned 'spiritual successor' to the show could've been like.
Cassius and Clay sounded interesting, at least.
https://www.vox.com/2016/1/20/10794322/cassius-and-clay-fx
Who can say? Beyond would enough people be even interested in it to check it out, perhaps the real question is how they would have dealt with the 'female empowerment' angle. If it had gone ahead there is a good chance it got cancelled after 1 seasons as it was complete shit and/or had no one watch it.
I really don't think that could've worked. Archer without H. Jon Benjamin, Aisha Tyler, and Chris Parnell would've been awful, a bunch of literal whos trying to do some girl-power shit would make it even worse.
These are also clearly the kind of people who wouldn't make those characters goofy frick-ups like Archer is:
>You know, Megan [Ganz] also had this interesting idea about the notion that the end of civilization is kind of good for women when you think about it, because then they don't have to be breeders and moms; they can kind of do whatever they want to do.
Lol. Lmao, even