Mutating a human into a turtle and giving her breasts makes sense. Because the human had breasts before they were mutated into something else. The DNA is still partly mammalian.
But Venus is all turtle like the boys. breasts make nonsense.
I thought they got human DNA contributed from Yoshi in the 80s timeline, but the others yeah the mutagen just makes animals humans with animal features because because
The Mutagen will only change a human into an animal form depending on the animal last touched. Animals mutate into humanoid forms now instead and gain intelligence. Its basically the FEV from Fallout, minus the side effects.
>but he was fine with the entire 80s cartoon and secret of the ooze?
No, he wasn't really. He hated most of it, he was just too busy with everything else to complain. And SotO almost had Bebop and Rocksteady. He hates them, so as a compromise he reluctantly helped create Tokka and Rahzar, having no love for them either.
what was even the point of making two new characters when the act and share the exact same function, shouldve just used bebop and rocksteady at that point
I never got this, if they are going to make up two new dumb mutants, just go with Bebop and Rocksteady. No point in all new morons.
If he doesn't like Bebop and Rocksteady, it's in his best interest to make sure they don't become entrenched into the IP. That's why they made alternate characters.
Because it's such a stupid move to replace to unlikable morons with two more unlikable morons? It's a wasted effort at that point
10 months ago
Anonymous
Again, you're a fricking idiot.
The more often something shows up, especially early in a franchise, the more it becomes "core" and keeps coming back.
If the people working on a movie say "Hey, we put Bebop and Rocksteady in" and you say "No, don't do that" and they say "but we already spent a bunch of money and made the script and everything", do you
>A. Give up and let them do it. >B. Ask them to replace it with something original. >C. Stomp your feet like a petulant child and massively increase the film's budget to excise them.
If you picked anything other than B, congrats, you're a moron.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Bebod and Rocksteady ARE the something original homosexual.
Whenyou replace something with the exact same 1:1 creation in every single way, all you did was waste everyone's time. And now you think you are some genius for also pretending you hate a character from a cartoon that came out 20 years before you were born. Good job, this only proves you're an autistic homosexual.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Unable to comprehend a creator's point of view. >Thinks my explanation for why he would want this = me hating Bebop and Rocksteady. >Somehow I'm the autist in this conversation.
I know Cinemaphile has a lot of mentally stunted posters, but goddamn.
> but he was fine with the entire 80s cartoon and secret of the ooze? what makes next mutation different
He had very little say in any of that. The first movie only happened the way it did because they were able tospeak to the director. The Fred Wolf guys basically ignored hen( then later sued them)
He didnt like the 80s cartoon very much and dislikes bebop and Rocksteady. But he really, really hates Venus.
I thought his whole thing was that there should only be like 6 mutants in all of existence, no more ever again. And every other show shit on that idea too much, pissing him off
He most of all did not want the series to turn into a shitload of mutants everywhere. And that is exactly what Playmates and Wolfe did, continued making mutants until the series ended. But the guy was also a huge fan of animal aliens and clones everywhere that were basically the exact same thing but with different origin so I really don't see what the huge problem is. I guess he just wanted the whole ooze part to be a single event that never happened again and there is just the turtles, Splinter, and Leatherhead only on all of Earth.
He was a stubborn autist (still is) and had a lot of issues with Fred Wolf, and for good reason, since all the new characters were shameless cash-grab creations meant to sell more toys. The turtloids episode mentioned earlier in this thread is where they made Groundchuck and Dirtbag because Shredder had some wacky moustache-twirling plan of the week to steal a ruby, which he abandoned to randomly make Chromedome. There's two parts where Krang is like >DID YOU REMEMBER TO BRING THEIR TOYETIC ACCESSORIES?!
And after they accidentally mutate a cow and mole Shredder goes >PUT ON YOUR COSTUMES SO YOU CAN LOOK LIKE YOUR ACTION FIGURES!
Because they designed the toys first and then crammed them into the fricking show, so Groundchuck needs some random (I guess fake?) cyborg shit because Shredder thought it was important to dress up his new mutants in silly outfits.
I'm not saying he's right to do the whole "no more extra mutants ever!" thing, but I can understand why he'd look at them making tons of stupid fricking mutant characters and be pissed that they didn't stop. Can't imagine he's too happy with Mutant Mayhem for the same reason. >Here's a dozen mutant characters, 11 of which have zero reason to exist in the plot except for the part where they were in the 87 cartoon and the execs want to sell action figures again
Well, it was a toy commercial show meant to feature new merch from Playmates that was footing the bill for the creation of the cartoon in the first place. It's not all that surprising to see them cram in as much toy shit as humanly possible.
Ace Duck still never got an episode
10 months ago
Anonymous
That was just the way of things at the time. It's not surprising, but I can see why it was annoying and why it would eventually make Laird just throw his hands up and say >I'm not part of this anymore! I'm done!
10 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine creating something just for fun, but somehow it becomes successful and you make a career out of doing it, you start creating lore and worldbuilding, and getting invested in what you're doing.
Then a toy company throws more money than you've ever seen at you to make toys and a cartoon out of the thing you've created, but it's aimed at a younger audience, they make changes, and they keep adding a lot of OCs, most notably a group of recurring villains.
The cartoon becomes massively successful, a years long pop culture juggernaut generating all kinds of merch, and it's more popular and more well-known than your original comic ever was. It's success guarantees periodic cartoon and toy reboots, some of them try to stay closer to your original comic but nothing ever really reaches the same level of success as that first cartoon, which still have a big nostalgia fanbase.
It's hard to imagine what going through all of that would do to you, you either let it eat away at you and keep seething about it, or just accept you created something that's taken on a life of it's own, learn to live with the kids liking Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang so much, and just enjoy the money and the life you got out of it all.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Laird vs. Eastman in a nutshell.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think the thing that could have spare Eastman and Laird the heartache and headache of dealing with the kiddy-friend, toy commercial version of their creation would have been to actually keep working on TMNT on their own.
As far as I know, they retained those rights and the success they had would have allowed them to work at their own pace. They chose not to work on the comics or write some sort of essential, true, official version of what they wanted TMNT to be. Continuing the Mirage comics was always an option, but those also got utterly ridiculous thanks to the guest era and their own waning passion.
Point is, they had their chance to make their ideal TMNT version. One they could point to and say "This is exactly what TMNT is and should always be" and they didn't.
10 months ago
Anonymous
True. And it’s not like the kid viewers of the commercial Turtles were never going to get older and go read the mature Mirage version. That was always an option for them to continue on.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Well, instead the man could have held onto his integrity and had his little heard of black and white comic cancelled due to low sales by 89' or so and fallen into obscurity. Then he has to go work in his dad's mattress store to make ends meet. Instead of help create the cultural phenomenon that targeted a generation and made him a millionaire.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If I were in thar situation, I think I would absolutely be a sellout and squeeze every second of my 15 minutes of fame.
Worked well for FNAF
Yep.
Just watch the 2003 series and realize how many mutants actually show up.
The 4 turtles, Splinter and Leatherhead
I don't understand the hatred of mutants when he turned around and added in loads of dog, cat, and dinosaur aliens. Then added a talking animal alternate dimension.
Which cat and dog aliens?
I know the Triceratons obviously.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I suspect his 'tism means aliens are fine - space and aliens are where anything life-wise can happen - but the TCRI ooze is a one-off event as another mentioned.
Was actually, since the show wasnt produced in japan they propably thought itd be weird to not get an actual woman to play her, also would make more sense considering her slim build
Eastman's the one who is fully involved and frequently does art and consulting on all the IDW comics, and if he hates her, he certainly hasn't shown it in any way.
Eastman's the one who is fully involved and frequently does art and consulting on all the IDW comics, and if he hates her, he certainly hasn't shown it in any way.
Venus is shit. A Chinese Ninja? Come on. Awful idea. Does not help that her true name is Mei like from the shitty Disney movie Turning Red.
But Laird is simply a piece of shit. He has an annoying obsession with trying to seem ORIGINAL. As such he felt female turtles were uninspired. This is also why he invented random ideas like April is not a human and she's a drawing come to life. He was obsessed with subverting expectations since TMNT under him and Eastman started as a parody of Daredevil. So that's why he hates Venus so much. From his point of view she's unoriginal.
The funny thing though? Not only did Laird ruin what little credibility he had left with Last Ronin (Michelangelo saying Karai had honor after she broke her promise and killed his family) but his ideas have largely gone ignored by the history of the franchise. Most people don't give a damn about the shitty original comics. Those comics are honestly aimless messes with sporadic direction changes and the art style is mostly ugly. Those comics aren't even truly original because Cerebus did the whole anthro animal being serious routine before TMNT. The only concern this franchise has is to try to be as good as possible to remain successful. And the only compliment Laird deserves is that he facilitated the idea of this franchise getting serious for certain adaptations but that's it. And he was better than Eastman who is a sellout.
There's other reasons like how the writing is so terrible that the deaths of the other characters are forced stupidity. Splinter and Donatello in particular died foolishly. But yes Michelangelo in the final issue with no sense of irony or mocking or nothing......he complimented Karai who killed everyone he cared about (well except April who survived the slaughter). It just took the punch out of the whole story. Even worse Michelangelo never kills Karai and never actually kills Karai's shitty crime lord son. Last Ronin is worshipped because other media about TMNT is shittier.
And that said I'm not looking forward to the Last Ronin game that was rumored. Hope it never happens. The last thing Last Ronin needs is more worshipers.
The only things points I have with your post is that Mei is actually an extremely common name. It's like Jessica over here. The other point is that Albedo was in a fanzine in 1983 when the turtles and Usagi Yojimbo was 1984, but I'm sure there probably was a serious toned furryshit comic in the 70s.
Any and everyone should hate a fifth turtle especially a female one, all they do is frick up the perfectly set up dynamic between the four brothers and if the fifth is female you now add shipping bullshit. Anytime someone tries to add a fifth they should be slapped and called moronic
The only people who hate on Female Characters in TMNT tend to be homosexuals. Don't act ignorant I've seen the turtle incest bullshit. It's the same reason Star Fox fans hate the females of that series just a bunch of homosexual furries. The cure for this is to enforce female characters and waifus and make it clear that homosexuals are hated upon by default. Of course lesbian females like Jennika must be blocked as well.
Good job ignoring most of my post to have some dumbass schizo rant you fricking homosexual. You can absolutely add more female characters but a fifth turtle is always a fricking mistake you goddamn moron
Name a good fifth turtle >Jennika: Surpfluous, hated by everyone who didnt create her. Terrible Ninja and terrible person. >Venus: Annoying and badly handled. It was nice that they gave her easy to summarize: Bad at english, not as strong as the other turtles. Has a unique area of expertise. But was moronic in a show where everyone was moronic. >Slash: moronic and superfluous. Only good for exactly one storyline where he betrays the turtles then should never be seen again.
Slash is fine as a bad guy. Same with Tokka. Nobody minds having other characters who happen to be turtles, just don't try and make your OC "the 5th TMNT", you'll wreck the group dynamic and nobody wants your OC there.
But Next Mutation had to explicitly invoke NBR to facilitate the shipping when usually the turtles are just assumed to be bio brothers, so a bio sister would only open up incest shipping
Anyone find it amusing that with all the infamy Venus is more popular than Jennika? Venus still gets fan art at art sites even before IDW brought her back. But Jennika an active current character doesn't get art because no one really likes the mannish lesbian with a shitty personality.
I've always felt Venus was handed a raw deal. The problem wasn't the concept or the character but rather the show's writing and execution. I think a magic-focused female turtle is a neat idea, and I like her fish out of water gag.
I just think that Venus should have been raised by Splinter from the beginning. She can be the magic focused female character, we've seen this stereotype before like in Ben 10 with Gwen or Raven from Teen Titans. But Venus needs to be in a new reboot series from the beginning.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is not like the anime One Piece where Luffy and his crew the Straw Hats increase their numbers step by step. And even in One Piece, certain characters are never fully accepted by fans as being core main characters like the Talking Skeleton dude and the big fat middle aged Fishman dude. For TMNT it's always better to get all the protagonists set up from the start.
I think if there's going to be new turtles, then you may as well have them be the next generation of TMNT. Have the turtles grown up a little more and through some big storyline, end up saving several very young, freshly mutated turtles. Or maybe make them other species. Point is, they are raised by the old generation and brought up as ninjas instead of shoe-horning them in after the fact and then acting like they're just as close and important and iconic as the original 4 brothers are, like they've tried with Venus and Jennika.
>Thats what Last Ronin is doing. >Except they never met the original four.
Yeah, it's not good imo
Casey went and mutated four random turtles just because and raised them telling them they had to be ninjas because her "master" was a ninja turtle and... Honestly, that's kinda fricked up and morally repugnant in a way that makes no fricking sense. If she rescued them from a foot clan lab or something, it would smooth things over a little bit, but it's still dumb to kill off all the turtles and then make new ones just because.
10 months ago
Boco
She and April feel the world needs the TMNT because theres still crime and evil.
So Batman Beyond logic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Thats what Last Ronin is doing. >Except they never met the original four.
Yeah, it's not good imo
Casey went and mutated four random turtles just because and raised them telling them they had to be ninjas because her "master" was a ninja turtle and... Honestly, that's kinda fricked up and morally repugnant in a way that makes no fricking sense. If she rescued them from a foot clan lab or something, it would smooth things over a little bit, but it's still dumb to kill off all the turtles and then make new ones just because.
>Casey Jones >Training anyone
That is mutant child endangerment. He is the goddamn Wimp Lo of the turtles.
10 months ago
Boco
Casey is dead. This is his daughter, Casey Marie.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Its not THAT much different from what happened to the boys when Splinter found and raised them. Towards the end of Vol 1 of Mirage, the team was literally falling apart. City At War explored the characters deeply. Casey got married, April moved to California, and the Turtles helped Karai with the power vaccuum left in NY. During the storyline, The Turtles come to the conclusion that they've never been able to live life themselves on their own terms. I'd imagine these new Turtles are going to want to live life on their own terms after a while.
10 months ago
Anonymous
This is mostly just showing Tom Waltz's biggest weakness as a writer: He's never had a single original idea in his entire life. He was given a blank slate on a golden platter and IDW's full support and the only idea he came up with was repeating the same exact plot of TMNT, but with different names and no real premise to speak of, because all the old villains and settings are fricking gone.
Most certainly. I also think if Next Mutation had gotten that planned second season with April, Casey, Shredder, and a more serious tone things could have turned around for her.
Nah that's too much, the problem with adding a 5th turtle is the main 4 already compliment each other perfectly well as is and April is already the token girl so a 5th turtle doesn't bring much to the table
Only way I can see it maybe working is introducing her as a little sister character to play off the family dynamic the Turtle all brothers Splinter is the adoptive father etc but even that comes off a bit cheesy to me
Disagree because the whole spiritual magic deal Venus does, gives her a unique dynamic to clash with Donatello who is all about the hard sciences. That gives her more than what April has ever done.
well Donatello is one but what about the other 3 and Splinter shouldn't she feel like part of the family and just stuck on as an after thought
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Has no knowledge of pop culture, Mikey can teach her and they can bond over it. >Takes things seriously, a good support structure for Leo to bounce ideas off of >Make her a bit naive and trusting of others, leading to conflict with Raph who is the exact opposite
It's all about execution anon.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's the execution that I'm stuck on, I don't think it would work if she just one of the guys but at the same time I really don't she can work unless you make her part of the family that's why I think making her the little sister might be the way to go making Leo Raph Donnie and Mikey her protective older brothers
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's the execution that I'm stuck on, I don't think it would work if she just one of the guys but at the same time I really don't she can work unless you make her part of the family that's why I think making her the little sister might be the way to go making Leo Raph Donnie and Mikey her protective older brothers
Let's not forget they made the 5 turtles "siblings by bond" rather than being blood related, so they could add ship tease.
I agree, a naive but responsible little sister with 4 protective older brothers could have been an interesting execution.
I honestly enjoy Next Mutation in a "so bad it's good" way, but I think Venus is the last issue with the show. The other Turtles are really obnoxious, the comedy rarely if ever lands, and it didn't have a good balance of cheese to plot the way Power Rangers did at the time.
>I think Venus is the last issue with the show.
But, as this anon said, even with a flawed exection, Venus is still far from being the biggest issue with the show.
>Anyone find it amusing that with all the infamy Venus is more popular than Jennika?
Venus met and hung out with the Power Rangers, Jennika didn't make the crossover comic, she's clearly shitter.
Probably because you’re not the target demographic for it anymore.
Plus there’s no big nostalgia for it because it never went away. (Some nostalgia for the mighty morphin seasons exists though)
Alright, that's fair. I was just curious because for a bit I remember seeing it on either Nick or Disney Channel a few years back and it seemed like they only ever reran the same few episodes. Made me wonder if there was some hiatus or something or if the series was having some issues there.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Power Rangers was owned by Disney for a few years but then they sold it back to Saban who aired it on Nickelodeon.
The Neo-Saban era had to split whole seasons in two, because Super Sentai makes like 50 something episodes of a season a year but PR can no longer keep up with that. So they started doing 20 episode seasons (Power Rangers Samurai and then Power Rangers Super Samurai
or Power Rangers Megaforce and Power Rangers Super Megaforce)
But then it got moved to Netflix
The upcoming season at the end of this month is 10 episodes long, it is using the Dino Fury (adapted from Ryusoulger) cast from the previous season but they are using zord footage from Kyuranger
However they are giving the Rangers new (ugly) American-made Ranger costumes instead of just using the Kyuranger suits and footage.
Cosmic Fury is only 10 episodes long.
They have fired their entire crew in New Zealand and there is no news of any further seasons in the works.
It could very well be the last season of Power Rangers
Oh yeah and Lord Zedd is back and the big bad
10 months ago
Anonymous
>they are using zord footage from Kyuranger However they are giving the Rangers new (ugly) American-made Ranger costumes instead of just using the Kyuranger suits and footage.
That is such a strange choice. Have they ever done something like that before? Did a quick search and it looks like the suits from Kyuranger are acutally kind of cool? They have that star on the chest that unifies them but they all also have some unique things going on that makes them stand out. Seemed like a good set of suits. Seems weird to go through the effort of making new suits and having to film new footage for it as well. Also man does that look like a mess. Disney then Nick then Netflix? That's already a mess but then they fire the crew they had working on it? Either way, thanks for the history lesson anon. I like many watched Power Rangers a long while back but dropped off a little after SPD so I've been really out of the loop. I thought catching reruns on Nick would help me sort of catch up on the newest series but it looks like there was a lot more behind the scenes than expected.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>That is such a strange choice. Have they ever done something like that before?
Yeah, Seasons 2 and 3 of the original MMPR where Saban filmed American-made footage using the Zyuranger costumes and the white Dairanger costume for Tommy.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh right. Wow I am out of the loop. Guess it's not really that much of a surprise then. Tough I imagine closing down shop seemingly completely is a big deal.
10 months ago
Anonymous
There's always rumors that they want to develop another movie or a show that isn't an adaptation of Sentai
But between the costs and the Strikes it'll probably be a few years before anything actually happens
All the best writers working for Saban were a part of the In Space team, I assume.
In Space is one series that still mostly holds up even if I hate the Dark Specter resolution.
>Turbo foreshadows all the prior villains eventually joining forces >It does happen in Space, but is only seen in the first and last episodes
I felt ripped off. And Trakeena in Lost Galaxy was miles better than Astronema.
Why did Rita transform into human at the end when her brother Riri and father Master Vile didn’t?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Rito wasn't even around in Space (because the costume was wrecked beyond repair). I assumed he was killed off sometime after Zeo. As to Rita and Zedd, probably some sappy "love equals redemption" explanation, while Divatox had the implication that she was sister to that annoying fake fem-Zordon in Turbo.
10 months ago
Anonymous
What happened to fem-Zordon?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Demetria left to help Zordon fight off the villain alliance at the end of Turbo. That was the last anybody saw of her, and the villains won that battle, so odds are it didn't end well for her.
10 months ago
Anonymous
How do you know they didn’t transform into humans? We never see them afterwards except for a couple of clip shows I think so they could have been purified off screen. Also (IIRC) they were SUPPOSED to be in the In Space finale but the costumes were too fricked to use so it didn’t happen
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Why did Rita transform into human at the end when her brother Riri and father Master Vile didn’t?
The real crime is what happened to Ecliptor.
Even after all these years, it still pisses me off whenever I think about it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I haven't thought about that in years, but yeah, you're right. He deserved better.
Speaking of ripoffs, I'm actually gonna vent because it still makes me angry.
Dark Specter is supposed to be this ultimate villain even though he's a complete idiot and gets 9/11'd by Darkonda without ever getting to fight the Rangers, unless we count Psycho Rangers as a proxy (as they nearly killed him by using his as a source of their power). But that just makes me wonder how powerful he really was considering Psychos, while strong, weren't really a threat you'd expect from the Boss of all Bosses type of antagonist.
Why did Rita transform into human at the end when her brother Riri and father Master Vile didn’t?
I always thought Zedd WAS human. Just with obliterated skin. I guess Zordon's wave healed him or something.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Turbo ends with Dark Specter being teased as the greatest evil in the universe, implying some kind of Eldritch entity >Space starts and he's literally just Maligor from the Turbo movie because the writers figured nobody would care enough to complain that they were recycling the costume
At least the similarity was not lost on Divatox.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Kid me just treated it as a Goofy/Pluto situation, lmao.
More likely that he hates the entire production team and all the corporate stooges that turned TMNT into more and more of a moronic, childish parody of itself. They wanted to make a show about cool heroes fighting aliens and ninjas and it got turned into a corny, safe, disney-esque product to promote supermarket openings and DARE PSAs.
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/musings-about-sale.html >First, why did I sell the TMNT? There are a number of reasons, but first and foremost is that I have been doing this TMNT thing for twenty-five years, sixteen of them in partnership with TMNT co-creator Kevin Eastman and the last nine as sole owner of the property. That is a long time. It is almost half my life (I'm 55). I never expected to be working on the same thing for this long. And it has worn me down. I am no longer that guy who carries his sketchbook around with him and draws in it every chance he gets. That guy did all of the pre-TMNT artwork you have been seeing on this blog in many of my "Blast from the Past" posts.
Eastman's gotten really,really rusty, but Laird was a solid cartoonist. He barely draws now but if you do catch him at a con or see a sketch he does he can still draw good turtles.
Eastman has stagnated incredibly hard. His art is stiffer, chunkier, and less refined than it was when he was still an amateur and doing TMNT comics for the first time in his life.
Cuz she's not a superior ninja fox. OR he feels the turtles are supposed to be unique, and not have newfound family popping up everywhere like goddamn Lilo and Stitch: The Series..
I like Next Mutation. Yeah, I said it!
It might have to do with me being a LatinAmerican anon, thus I first watched the dub, where the 4 turtles and Splinter's dub actors of the 1987 series returned, and there are subtle, but effective differences in dialogue.
That being said, nowadays, I can see the show for what it is and not let nostalgia blind my eyes to its flaws. I still enjoy it, of course.
I honestly enjoy Next Mutation in a "so bad it's good" way, but I think Venus is the last issue with the show. The other Turtles are really obnoxious, the comedy rarely if ever lands, and it didn't have a good balance of cheese to plot the way Power Rangers did at the time.
>it didn't have a good balance of cheese to plot the way Power Rangers did at the time.
Thanks for bringing up Power Rangers, I always found interesting how Next Mutation was, in a certain way, yet another Saban attempt to exploit the "American Toku" formula, only with an already popular IP instead of an original one (like Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog)
>super-special OC who effortlessly defeats Shredder with magic because that's exactly what everyone wants to see in an action series, the iconic villain being effortlessly defeated in the beginning of the series without being allowed to put up a fight and spends the rest of the series being useless shipbait
Contrarians pretending Venus wasn't shit are irritating.
To be fair that's how the first comic was. The turtles killed off Shredder in his first appearance because he was not tough and he only makes a return because the creators never expected TMNT to become a huge success. Shredder may be the main villain of the franchise but he's not the strongest much like how in Batman there are stronger villains than Joker.
>he was not tough
He was kicking Turtles' asses throughout that entire fight and was only overhwelmed by their numbers. He also went out trying to take the Turtles out in a murder-suicide attempt. Just because he was a one-shot villain doesn't mean he wasn't tough.
That's entirely different from being anticlimactically poof'd away by the magic.
Before Shredder fought the turtles he forced them to fight his minions. So the turtles wasted their energy and even endured a few cuts and injuries before they were allowed to challenge Shredder. Rule of fiction is if the villain relies on his minions he's not tough.
No, it just means a villain has minions because he's a leader which is literally how every crime lord villain operates including tough ones like Kingpin.
And again, an actual fricking fight is vastly different from some OC b***h
let's be honest the Shredder can just as easily fit into a bumbling Saturday morning cartoon villain role as he does the climactic final boss the show was building up to from episode 1
That might've worked had the actual villains of the show been any good, but they weren't. And even then that wasn't what Next Mutation did. The show acted like he's the guy from 1990 movie.
let's be honest the Shredder can just as easily fit into a bumbling Saturday morning cartoon villain role as he does the climactic final boss the show was building up to from episode 1
TL;DR: Laird hates Venus de Milo because he and Eastman agreed to never introduce a female TMNT, mutually agreeing that it would be trite. At the same time, Eastman became more and more of a sellout as Turtlemania grew. So when Eastman went ahead and made Venus De Milo, Laird saw it as a sign that his friend had sold out.
Turtles are tragic, they're only ones of their kind..there's uniqueness and bittersweetness to it that is completely remove once you add a female turtle. The turtles are special, having a way to make more turtles doesn't make them special anymore.
My question is this, what's so wrong with giving the turtles potential pussy from within their species? Never liked seeing any of the implied romances where the main turtles lust for other species like Donatello with April, Leo with Karai, Michelangelo with that elf princess or Renet, or Raphael with foxes.
I just get weirded out when I see the whole implications that the turtles want to frick outside of their species.
The issue here isn't "girl turtle bad", the issue is "The 5th Ninja Turtle" is always a bad idea. Go ahead and make a girl turtle OC, just don't try and force her into the core group.
It's always a little uncomfortable whenever any of the series introduce the idea that the turtles have any sort of romantic feelings for any humans. Even romances between mutants of different species raises some uncomfortable questions that I don't think anyone wants the writers to answer.
Mona Lisa was also suppose to be a female Turtle on the original cartoon, until Laird put his foot done to the Fred Wolf folks and said “frick no.”
So they compromised and made her a lizard/salamander at the last minute..
There's also the Planet of the Turtloids two-parter. Eastman and Laird were so enraged that they banned it from being re-released on DVD sets. It's only on the final set for Season 10 that the episode was squeezed in as a hidden bonus feature, likely because it was the last one and thus it didn't matter anymore.
Did you seriously not read the two listings of different releases where it was released several times and not just the one 'secret hidden feature' reveal?
Season 5's DVD set came out in 2008, back when Laird still owned the property, where the ban was in effect.
Season 10's DVD set came out in 2012, 3 years after Nick bought the IP from Laird. Any of Laird's bans would be tossed out at this point.
The Cowabunga Classics DVD released in 2014, 5 years after the buy out.
Complete Cowabunga Collection is a 2018 repackaging of the previously released DVD sets. No changes were made, they're the exact same DVD disc. This collection was 9 years after the buy out.
The only other release was the VHS release, which didn't apply because the ban was only in effect for the DVD releases and when Laird was in control
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Which characters did Laird create?
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So it was only banned once, and is on half a dozen releases making the ban completely moot.
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You still trying to dig this fricking hole? Walk the frick away homie. You're anonymous. No one will know or remember you're fricking moronic.
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Walk away from what you're still wrong. >It was banned from the DVDs >it's not on one set but is on all the others
Speaking of, I'm surprised Shredder's Revenge forgot all about his precious "Binky". Not even a crudely-scratched palm tree on one of the rock walls (unless I missed it).
I'm not sure with Slash if I prefer him to tower over them utterly with him having more raw power then all of them due to being a Snapper but less skill or a balance where he's same size and equal to them but just more vicious and violent, though hate his 80's cartoon design.
Shitty replacement for Casey Jones, and just one of many things that was added to dumb the sequel down because parents screamed over the first film's grit and violence.
The sequel and Next Mutation don't work for the exact same reason.
I love 1987 cartoon because it's dumb fun, but since it's a cartoon and therefore allows a room for exaggeration without it looking out of place it doesn't work translated in live-action. 1990 movie had the right idea about balancing the grittiness of Mirage and silliness of the cartoon. You can borrow elements of 1987 cartoon but you can't copy its tone completely without your movie being a more charmless version of a cartoon.
I personally don't mind him that much. I love the whole sequence of him and Raph infiltrating the Foot (specially when Raph helps him cheat the bell test, always nice seeing the turtles doing actual ninja shit other than just delivering punches).
But after that... I don't even remember what else he did for the plot, if I'm being honest. But ultimately...
Shitty replacement for Casey Jones, and just one of many things that was added to dumb the sequel down because parents screamed over the first film's grit and violence.
>Shitty replacement for Casey Jones
He is what he is...
He doesn't do much outside of Raph interactions and helping move the plot forward with Raph. After Raph gets caught, he falls off.
I guess he's suppose to be a example for Raphael for whenever he rushes into problems without thinking and its a teaching moment for both of them. It's kind of like how Casey was suppose to be Raph but if he was really nuts and let his rage take control. Ultimately, Casey could have fulfilled both roles.
I don't hate Keno though. Ernie was great in the role and any issues I have with the character and his role in the story sort of just slip out of my mind.
Not the worst thing in that movie. I guess the directors wanted a spunky teen sidekick to appeal to the younger audience. Shame, because April and Casey were perfect in the first movie.
If there's barely any porn of a character, there's no fandom for them.
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What about Karai, Angel Bridge, Alopex, Renet, and Radical?
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You don't need my permission to look up porn, anon.
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Unable to do it currently, I’m afraid.
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No surprises that those crazy furries make up a big chunk of the TMNT fandom.
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Which female has the most prom after April and Karai?
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Karai barely has any. April is the one and only true queen of TMNT
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Let's face it: TMNT is a near-total sausagefest. April, Karai, and Renet are literally the only three women in the whole franchise with any purpose.
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Should have been Renet included in Shredder’s Revenge DLC.
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This design could have in the original cartoon?
They made a 1987 design for that mobile game Mutant Madness. I’ll see if I can find it.
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Found it.
It was shown that any developer making a 1987 inspired Turtles game can use Karai, Renet and Savanti Romero.
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Butterface
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That's a problem? I don't watch Turtles for chicks man.
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I assume it’s 1987 series April.
Best girl always wins
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She's got the most, and a majority of the high quality stuff is under her name. There's a great animated CG one with her.
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The others don't even come close
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What about Karai?
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146 total
102 from 2012
20 from 2003
5 from 2007
3 from Rise
I'm surprised 2012 takes the bulk. She's the ugliest one. It's like if Juri got hit with a frying pan.
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April realizes that Karai has a fourth snake head in a rather surprising place.
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What about Renet?
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7
None of them are good
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Sad.
What about Irma, Mona Lisa, Angel Bridge, Radical?
>now that they have a multiverse shit introduced
Then Shredder, all the time. How often have we been able to play as him, other than in 1vs1 fighting games?
All they ever steal from it is Tokka, Rahzar, and Super Shredder.
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>Tokka, Rahzar,
I never understood the appeal of these guys.
They're just completely uninteresting. Do they have anything good stories or moments beyond being an outlet for Laird's seething over Bebop and Rocksteady?
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I like Tokka's design
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Nope, the 87 show gave them one episode where they were aliens or some shit. Then the 2012 show made Tokka some cosmic entity that eats planets and Razar is just some dog alien. They pretty much only exist as a physical form of rage against Bebop and Rocksteady.
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>Razar is just some dog alien
No he was the OC character Dogpound who got mutated again
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The way 2012 treat mutation is really fricked up and it was one of the things that made it hard to enjoy it at all.
Mondo Gecko. Since Karai took the spot for Konami games rep, he can be the Archie comics rep. He has the skateboard and the dance moves.
Then Mutagen Man can be the 11th character that plays like a chameleon character, and the only way to play the Survival Mode bosses in the other modes. He can rep the toy side.
No, some mangled frog chose that name for herself cus her original arms were amputated by a mad scientist, giving her a look similar to the bust of Venus. Actually clever.
From what I see most don't like those opinions, no wonder this shitty board likes other trash like Adventure Time, Amphibia, and whatever will become the shitty media of the future. Makes one want to root for companies to continue ruining all these properties with notable fandoms such as TMNT. And the posts keep the thread bumped even if the posts are deleted afterwards. But they aren't always self deleted, we do have shitty mods as well to consider every now and then.
Armageddon Game ended with the wall being torn down and Karai giving Stockman the ol' dicktwist, so now mutants have integrated with the rest of society and Mutant Town is recognizes as its own borough of New York with Sally as its Mayor in one big handwave resolution. There's still tons of mutants, but the turtles are back to living in their sewer lair and going on patrols... only they do it in broad daylight now and most crowd shots in the city have a few furries peppered in.
Yeah, it's a shame Foot Clan hierarchy isn't explored more. I'm reminded of the disappointment people had when early 2012 TMNT was airing and they mutated Bradford after only 2 or 3 episodes of appearances.
Understandable.
He was way cooler as evil Chuck Norris.
The moment he got turned into a gigantic dog, all his coolness went away and he just became a generic evil mutant.
Low, I think. The fact that Shredder's Revenge got even one reasonably sized DLC was a surprise, at launch they were saying character DLC wasn't happening because it took so much effort to do hand-animated sprite sheets for the amount of situations in the game
Mirage Shredder (not the worms) put up a good fight
2003 had the plot twist that he was a mech piloted by an Ultron
Bay gave him a moronic suit
I don't know what the frick was going on with IDW
Rise made him a demon
But Fred Wolf Shredder? He's the goat. Just a Human Ninja Samurai kicking mutant ass. All other Shredders kneel. Except for live action of course.
>I don't know what the frick was going on with IDW
Samurai guy who started the Foot Clan. Lots of reincarnation shit and a poorly told twist that some immortal fox lady was trying to use him to resurrect her father, who was some kind of Satanic Dragon God. He died and got reincarnated as the son of the guy who killed him and eventually became the leader of the Foot Clan again and also Hamato Yoshi's best friend and then killer. Then he got mummified and resurrected in the modern era while Yoshi and his sons got reincarnated as a Rat and Four turtles.
The reincarnation angle IDW went with is honestly stupid as hell.
I don't know why almost every single adaption feels like they need to change their origin and connection to Shredder. Even 2003 wasn't innocent with the Ultron bullshit. Only changes I enjoyed were the Live Action (Removing Shredder's brother) and Fred Wolf (Making Yoshi Splinter). Both of these changes removed a degree of separation, making the connection stronger between the cast without adding any unnecessary bullshit.
It's kind of a solved equation, isn't it? Through iteration they ended up with a version of the origin story that gives you all the reasons for the Turtles to fight Shredder and the Foot clan. The reincarnation angle is a more complicated way to reach that same conclusion while also introducing an afterlife, fate, spiritual grudges, reincarnation, immortal fox witches, somehow connecting all of that to Krang who was visiting and interfering with Earth for hundreds of years.
It's why IDW TMNT kinda fricking sucks as a whole. Everything is too connected to everything and the implications of every fricking plot being knotted together just makes it a fricking headache.
I think a huge problem is a lot of creators come on board with the assumption that no normal human should ever be capable of putting up a fight against super mutants and try to buff shredder in some way like the Bay mech suit, the rise demon armor, or the 2003 mech suit. Really skilled martial artist that gives no fricks if he is fighting a mutant tiger or dragon already works. Don't frick with it and give him stupid suits and mech armors.
Eastman and Laird always had a weird dynamic and it's amazing they could ever produce the original handful of TMNT comics they got out before they went their own ways. Laird is very focused on the original Mirage run and his time handling the franchise included the most comics-accurate attempt at an adaptation with the 2003 turtles show which even adapted very obscure or forgettable issues, as long as Laird or Eastman had something to do with them (or if Laird liked them enough).
Eastman has always been open to letting other creators contribute to the TMNT mythos so he's the one who is okay with Bebop and Rocksteady returning. Laird hates them both and either dislikes or is very apathetic to the other adapations that happened.
It was always weird to me that Laird dislikes the characters created for the 1987 cartoon when the vast majority of them were created by Mirage in-house artists like Ryan Brown. You'd think the open relationship between Mirage and Playmates would mean Laird would have been receptive to those characters but apparently not (and some he even had a hand in, like the character that would become Groundchuck).
Turtle breasts
What's to hate?
There's better Turtle April art this is repulsive.
like what?
Mutating a human into a turtle and giving her breasts makes sense. Because the human had breasts before they were mutated into something else. The DNA is still partly mammalian.
But Venus is all turtle like the boys. breasts make nonsense.
I thought they got human DNA contributed from Yoshi in the 80s timeline, but the others yeah the mutagen just makes animals humans with animal features because because
The Mutagen will only change a human into an animal form depending on the animal last touched. Animals mutate into humanoid forms now instead and gain intelligence. Its basically the FEV from Fallout, minus the side effects.
>Turtle breasts
Turbreasts?
Titles?
Oof
She is a heretical abomination created by Slaanesh. Prepare to be purged.
Warhammer is not a personality.
>Warhammer is not a personality.
I disagree
He hates more mutants in general. The four boys, Splinter, and Leatherhead. Thats it. Any more and they stop being "unique".
i dont get it either
but he was fine with the entire 80s cartoon and secret of the ooze? what makes next mutation different
He didnt like the 80s cartoon very much and dislikes bebop and Rocksteady. But he really, really hates Venus.
Bebop and Rocksteady rule.
What if he has Alan Moore syndrome?
>but he was fine with the entire 80s cartoon and secret of the ooze?
No, he wasn't really. He hated most of it, he was just too busy with everything else to complain. And SotO almost had Bebop and Rocksteady. He hates them, so as a compromise he reluctantly helped create Tokka and Rahzar, having no love for them either.
what was even the point of making two new characters when the act and share the exact same function, shouldve just used bebop and rocksteady at that point
I never got this, if they are going to make up two new dumb mutants, just go with Bebop and Rocksteady. No point in all new morons.
If he doesn't like Bebop and Rocksteady, it's in his best interest to make sure they don't become entrenched into the IP. That's why they made alternate characters.
I swear, you fricks are moronic.
Because it's such a stupid move to replace to unlikable morons with two more unlikable morons? It's a wasted effort at that point
Again, you're a fricking idiot.
The more often something shows up, especially early in a franchise, the more it becomes "core" and keeps coming back.
If the people working on a movie say "Hey, we put Bebop and Rocksteady in" and you say "No, don't do that" and they say "but we already spent a bunch of money and made the script and everything", do you
>A. Give up and let them do it.
>B. Ask them to replace it with something original.
>C. Stomp your feet like a petulant child and massively increase the film's budget to excise them.
If you picked anything other than B, congrats, you're a moron.
Bebod and Rocksteady ARE the something original homosexual.
Whenyou replace something with the exact same 1:1 creation in every single way, all you did was waste everyone's time. And now you think you are some genius for also pretending you hate a character from a cartoon that came out 20 years before you were born. Good job, this only proves you're an autistic homosexual.
>Unable to comprehend a creator's point of view.
>Thinks my explanation for why he would want this = me hating Bebop and Rocksteady.
>Somehow I'm the autist in this conversation.
I know Cinemaphile has a lot of mentally stunted posters, but goddamn.
> but he was fine with the entire 80s cartoon and secret of the ooze? what makes next mutation different
He had very little say in any of that. The first movie only happened the way it did because they were able tospeak to the director. The Fred Wolf guys basically ignored hen( then later sued them)
Would.
need to get more venus shots and in decent quality
I thought his whole thing was that there should only be like 6 mutants in all of existence, no more ever again. And every other show shit on that idea too much, pissing him off
This
He most of all did not want the series to turn into a shitload of mutants everywhere. And that is exactly what Playmates and Wolfe did, continued making mutants until the series ended. But the guy was also a huge fan of animal aliens and clones everywhere that were basically the exact same thing but with different origin so I really don't see what the huge problem is. I guess he just wanted the whole ooze part to be a single event that never happened again and there is just the turtles, Splinter, and Leatherhead only on all of Earth.
Yep.
Just watch the 2003 series and realize how many mutants actually show up.
The 4 turtles, Splinter and Leatherhead
He was a stubborn autist (still is) and had a lot of issues with Fred Wolf, and for good reason, since all the new characters were shameless cash-grab creations meant to sell more toys. The turtloids episode mentioned earlier in this thread is where they made Groundchuck and Dirtbag because Shredder had some wacky moustache-twirling plan of the week to steal a ruby, which he abandoned to randomly make Chromedome. There's two parts where Krang is like
>DID YOU REMEMBER TO BRING THEIR TOYETIC ACCESSORIES?!
And after they accidentally mutate a cow and mole Shredder goes
>PUT ON YOUR COSTUMES SO YOU CAN LOOK LIKE YOUR ACTION FIGURES!
Because they designed the toys first and then crammed them into the fricking show, so Groundchuck needs some random (I guess fake?) cyborg shit because Shredder thought it was important to dress up his new mutants in silly outfits.
I'm not saying he's right to do the whole "no more extra mutants ever!" thing, but I can understand why he'd look at them making tons of stupid fricking mutant characters and be pissed that they didn't stop. Can't imagine he's too happy with Mutant Mayhem for the same reason.
>Here's a dozen mutant characters, 11 of which have zero reason to exist in the plot except for the part where they were in the 87 cartoon and the execs want to sell action figures again
Right. Just look at all the characters he created for the original Mirage comics. No extra mutants.
Well, it was a toy commercial show meant to feature new merch from Playmates that was footing the bill for the creation of the cartoon in the first place. It's not all that surprising to see them cram in as much toy shit as humanly possible.
Ace Duck still never got an episode
That was just the way of things at the time. It's not surprising, but I can see why it was annoying and why it would eventually make Laird just throw his hands up and say
>I'm not part of this anymore! I'm done!
Imagine creating something just for fun, but somehow it becomes successful and you make a career out of doing it, you start creating lore and worldbuilding, and getting invested in what you're doing.
Then a toy company throws more money than you've ever seen at you to make toys and a cartoon out of the thing you've created, but it's aimed at a younger audience, they make changes, and they keep adding a lot of OCs, most notably a group of recurring villains.
The cartoon becomes massively successful, a years long pop culture juggernaut generating all kinds of merch, and it's more popular and more well-known than your original comic ever was. It's success guarantees periodic cartoon and toy reboots, some of them try to stay closer to your original comic but nothing ever really reaches the same level of success as that first cartoon, which still have a big nostalgia fanbase.
It's hard to imagine what going through all of that would do to you, you either let it eat away at you and keep seething about it, or just accept you created something that's taken on a life of it's own, learn to live with the kids liking Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang so much, and just enjoy the money and the life you got out of it all.
Laird vs. Eastman in a nutshell.
I think the thing that could have spare Eastman and Laird the heartache and headache of dealing with the kiddy-friend, toy commercial version of their creation would have been to actually keep working on TMNT on their own.
As far as I know, they retained those rights and the success they had would have allowed them to work at their own pace. They chose not to work on the comics or write some sort of essential, true, official version of what they wanted TMNT to be. Continuing the Mirage comics was always an option, but those also got utterly ridiculous thanks to the guest era and their own waning passion.
Point is, they had their chance to make their ideal TMNT version. One they could point to and say "This is exactly what TMNT is and should always be" and they didn't.
True. And it’s not like the kid viewers of the commercial Turtles were never going to get older and go read the mature Mirage version. That was always an option for them to continue on.
Well, instead the man could have held onto his integrity and had his little heard of black and white comic cancelled due to low sales by 89' or so and fallen into obscurity. Then he has to go work in his dad's mattress store to make ends meet. Instead of help create the cultural phenomenon that targeted a generation and made him a millionaire.
If I were in thar situation, I think I would absolutely be a sellout and squeeze every second of my 15 minutes of fame.
Worked well for FNAF
I don't understand the hatred of mutants when he turned around and added in loads of dog, cat, and dinosaur aliens. Then added a talking animal alternate dimension.
Which cat and dog aliens?
I know the Triceratons obviously.
I suspect his 'tism means aliens are fine - space and aliens are where anything life-wise can happen - but the TCRI ooze is a one-off event as another mentioned.
Was the suit actor a woman? Until the 2010s, it was common in sentai for male actors to play female rangers
Was actually, since the show wasnt produced in japan they propably thought itd be weird to not get an actual woman to play her, also would make more sense considering her slim build
Oh no, she's cute!
How am I supposed to hate Venus now?
but does he like jennika
He doesn't care about any of it now, he doesn't even care about the 12 issues of comics he is legally allowed to do per year
I can only assume he cares about his recliner and his mountain of cash and more power to him
He hasn't paid attention to the franchise since, like, 2014.
Eastman's the one who is fully involved and frequently does art and consulting on all the IDW comics, and if he hates her, he certainly hasn't shown it in any way.
Eastman likes everything.
Eastman likes no longer being bankrupt
That too.
She represents the lowest point of the franchise: them selling out to Saban, the very people who destroyed them with Power Rangers.
Venus is shit. A Chinese Ninja? Come on. Awful idea. Does not help that her true name is Mei like from the shitty Disney movie Turning Red.
But Laird is simply a piece of shit. He has an annoying obsession with trying to seem ORIGINAL. As such he felt female turtles were uninspired. This is also why he invented random ideas like April is not a human and she's a drawing come to life. He was obsessed with subverting expectations since TMNT under him and Eastman started as a parody of Daredevil. So that's why he hates Venus so much. From his point of view she's unoriginal.
The funny thing though? Not only did Laird ruin what little credibility he had left with Last Ronin (Michelangelo saying Karai had honor after she broke her promise and killed his family) but his ideas have largely gone ignored by the history of the franchise. Most people don't give a damn about the shitty original comics. Those comics are honestly aimless messes with sporadic direction changes and the art style is mostly ugly. Those comics aren't even truly original because Cerebus did the whole anthro animal being serious routine before TMNT. The only concern this franchise has is to try to be as good as possible to remain successful. And the only compliment Laird deserves is that he facilitated the idea of this franchise getting serious for certain adaptations but that's it. And he was better than Eastman who is a sellout.
Lost ronin was good
When you have the main character compliment the killer of his family and friends you invalidate the whole premise of the story.
Is that why people hate Last Ronin now? Because that does sound like bullshit.
He's assuming things. Karai only killed Raph explicitly.
There's other reasons like how the writing is so terrible that the deaths of the other characters are forced stupidity. Splinter and Donatello in particular died foolishly. But yes Michelangelo in the final issue with no sense of irony or mocking or nothing......he complimented Karai who killed everyone he cared about (well except April who survived the slaughter). It just took the punch out of the whole story. Even worse Michelangelo never kills Karai and never actually kills Karai's shitty crime lord son. Last Ronin is worshipped because other media about TMNT is shittier.
And that said I'm not looking forward to the Last Ronin game that was rumored. Hope it never happens. The last thing Last Ronin needs is more worshipers.
She only killed Raph, you fricking idiot.
Can you do us all a favor and go away?
Karai's son and her soldiers follow her will. Eat shit and die.
Her son hated her and refused to be anything like her. And for all we know he manipulated everyone into fighting each other to begin with.
Seriously, do you even LIKE TMNT?
>Rumored
I've seen ads for it but no footage.
It's a b***h of a person who can't acknowledge skill.
The only things points I have with your post is that Mei is actually an extremely common name. It's like Jessica over here. The other point is that Albedo was in a fanzine in 1983 when the turtles and Usagi Yojimbo was 1984, but I'm sure there probably was a serious toned furryshit comic in the 70s.
He doesnt get money for TNM, probably.
Any and everyone should hate a fifth turtle especially a female one, all they do is frick up the perfectly set up dynamic between the four brothers and if the fifth is female you now add shipping bullshit. Anytime someone tries to add a fifth they should be slapped and called moronic
The only people who hate on Female Characters in TMNT tend to be homosexuals. Don't act ignorant I've seen the turtle incest bullshit. It's the same reason Star Fox fans hate the females of that series just a bunch of homosexual furries. The cure for this is to enforce female characters and waifus and make it clear that homosexuals are hated upon by default. Of course lesbian females like Jennika must be blocked as well.
Good job ignoring most of my post to have some dumbass schizo rant you fricking homosexual. You can absolutely add more female characters but a fifth turtle is always a fricking mistake you goddamn moron
Name a good fifth turtle
>Jennika: Surpfluous, hated by everyone who didnt create her. Terrible Ninja and terrible person.
>Venus: Annoying and badly handled. It was nice that they gave her easy to summarize: Bad at english, not as strong as the other turtles. Has a unique area of expertise. But was moronic in a show where everyone was moronic.
>Slash: moronic and superfluous. Only good for exactly one storyline where he betrays the turtles then should never be seen again.
Kirby would have been cool.
Everyone named Kirby is destined to die in TMNT. I'm really surprised that doctor guy in IDW's run has lasted so long.
Slash is fine as a bad guy. Same with Tokka. Nobody minds having other characters who happen to be turtles, just don't try and make your OC "the 5th TMNT", you'll wreck the group dynamic and nobody wants your OC there.
I was agreeing with you till you shit talked Slash, he's rad as hell mate
It's not even homosexuals, now is straight up women
Straight women fujoshi to bisexual to trans man pipeline
But Next Mutation had to explicitly invoke NBR to facilitate the shipping when usually the turtles are just assumed to be bio brothers, so a bio sister would only open up incest shipping
didn't stop the CGI show from doing in incest plot
There are enough 5th turtles to make their own damn team at this point
Anyone find it amusing that with all the infamy Venus is more popular than Jennika? Venus still gets fan art at art sites even before IDW brought her back. But Jennika an active current character doesn't get art because no one really likes the mannish lesbian with a shitty personality.
I've always felt Venus was handed a raw deal. The problem wasn't the concept or the character but rather the show's writing and execution. I think a magic-focused female turtle is a neat idea, and I like her fish out of water gag.
I just think that Venus should have been raised by Splinter from the beginning. She can be the magic focused female character, we've seen this stereotype before like in Ben 10 with Gwen or Raven from Teen Titans. But Venus needs to be in a new reboot series from the beginning.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is not like the anime One Piece where Luffy and his crew the Straw Hats increase their numbers step by step. And even in One Piece, certain characters are never fully accepted by fans as being core main characters like the Talking Skeleton dude and the big fat middle aged Fishman dude. For TMNT it's always better to get all the protagonists set up from the start.
I think if there's going to be new turtles, then you may as well have them be the next generation of TMNT. Have the turtles grown up a little more and through some big storyline, end up saving several very young, freshly mutated turtles. Or maybe make them other species. Point is, they are raised by the old generation and brought up as ninjas instead of shoe-horning them in after the fact and then acting like they're just as close and important and iconic as the original 4 brothers are, like they've tried with Venus and Jennika.
Thats what Last Ronin is doing.
Except they never met the original four.
>Thats what Last Ronin is doing.
>Except they never met the original four.
Yeah, it's not good imo
Casey went and mutated four random turtles just because and raised them telling them they had to be ninjas because her "master" was a ninja turtle and... Honestly, that's kinda fricked up and morally repugnant in a way that makes no fricking sense. If she rescued them from a foot clan lab or something, it would smooth things over a little bit, but it's still dumb to kill off all the turtles and then make new ones just because.
She and April feel the world needs the TMNT because theres still crime and evil.
So Batman Beyond logic.
>Casey Jones
>Training anyone
That is mutant child endangerment. He is the goddamn Wimp Lo of the turtles.
Casey is dead. This is his daughter, Casey Marie.
Its not THAT much different from what happened to the boys when Splinter found and raised them. Towards the end of Vol 1 of Mirage, the team was literally falling apart. City At War explored the characters deeply. Casey got married, April moved to California, and the Turtles helped Karai with the power vaccuum left in NY. During the storyline, The Turtles come to the conclusion that they've never been able to live life themselves on their own terms. I'd imagine these new Turtles are going to want to live life on their own terms after a while.
This is mostly just showing Tom Waltz's biggest weakness as a writer: He's never had a single original idea in his entire life. He was given a blank slate on a golden platter and IDW's full support and the only idea he came up with was repeating the same exact plot of TMNT, but with different names and no real premise to speak of, because all the old villains and settings are fricking gone.
Most certainly. I also think if Next Mutation had gotten that planned second season with April, Casey, Shredder, and a more serious tone things could have turned around for her.
Shoulda brought in the Radically Rearranged Ronin Ragdolls for fight the turtles. Many furries would have been created in a simple 3-ep arc.
Nah that's too much, the problem with adding a 5th turtle is the main 4 already compliment each other perfectly well as is and April is already the token girl so a 5th turtle doesn't bring much to the table
Only way I can see it maybe working is introducing her as a little sister character to play off the family dynamic the Turtle all brothers Splinter is the adoptive father etc but even that comes off a bit cheesy to me
Disagree because the whole spiritual magic deal Venus does, gives her a unique dynamic to clash with Donatello who is all about the hard sciences. That gives her more than what April has ever done.
well Donatello is one but what about the other 3 and Splinter shouldn't she feel like part of the family and just stuck on as an after thought
>Has no knowledge of pop culture, Mikey can teach her and they can bond over it.
>Takes things seriously, a good support structure for Leo to bounce ideas off of
>Make her a bit naive and trusting of others, leading to conflict with Raph who is the exact opposite
It's all about execution anon.
It's the execution that I'm stuck on, I don't think it would work if she just one of the guys but at the same time I really don't she can work unless you make her part of the family that's why I think making her the little sister might be the way to go making Leo Raph Donnie and Mikey her protective older brothers
Let's not forget they made the 5 turtles "siblings by bond" rather than being blood related, so they could add ship tease.
I agree, a naive but responsible little sister with 4 protective older brothers could have been an interesting execution.
>I think Venus is the last issue with the show.
But, as this anon said, even with a flawed exection, Venus is still far from being the biggest issue with the show.
>there are people who don't accept Brook or Jinbei
what the frick?
>Anyone find it amusing that with all the infamy Venus is more popular than Jennika?
Venus met and hung out with the Power Rangers, Jennika didn't make the crossover comic, she's clearly shitter.
Whatever your opinion on Next Mutation (or Power Ranger, for that matter) is... you can't deny how epic this was at the time.
Is Power Rangers still around? Feels like I rarely ever hear anything about it anymore.
Probably because you’re not the target demographic for it anymore.
Plus there’s no big nostalgia for it because it never went away. (Some nostalgia for the mighty morphin seasons exists though)
Alright, that's fair. I was just curious because for a bit I remember seeing it on either Nick or Disney Channel a few years back and it seemed like they only ever reran the same few episodes. Made me wonder if there was some hiatus or something or if the series was having some issues there.
Power Rangers was owned by Disney for a few years but then they sold it back to Saban who aired it on Nickelodeon.
The Neo-Saban era had to split whole seasons in two, because Super Sentai makes like 50 something episodes of a season a year but PR can no longer keep up with that. So they started doing 20 episode seasons (Power Rangers Samurai and then Power Rangers Super Samurai
or Power Rangers Megaforce and Power Rangers Super Megaforce)
But then it got moved to Netflix
The upcoming season at the end of this month is 10 episodes long, it is using the Dino Fury (adapted from Ryusoulger) cast from the previous season but they are using zord footage from Kyuranger
However they are giving the Rangers new (ugly) American-made Ranger costumes instead of just using the Kyuranger suits and footage.
Cosmic Fury is only 10 episodes long.
They have fired their entire crew in New Zealand and there is no news of any further seasons in the works.
It could very well be the last season of Power Rangers
Oh yeah and Lord Zedd is back and the big bad
>they are using zord footage from Kyuranger However they are giving the Rangers new (ugly) American-made Ranger costumes instead of just using the Kyuranger suits and footage.
That is such a strange choice. Have they ever done something like that before? Did a quick search and it looks like the suits from Kyuranger are acutally kind of cool? They have that star on the chest that unifies them but they all also have some unique things going on that makes them stand out. Seemed like a good set of suits. Seems weird to go through the effort of making new suits and having to film new footage for it as well. Also man does that look like a mess. Disney then Nick then Netflix? That's already a mess but then they fire the crew they had working on it? Either way, thanks for the history lesson anon. I like many watched Power Rangers a long while back but dropped off a little after SPD so I've been really out of the loop. I thought catching reruns on Nick would help me sort of catch up on the newest series but it looks like there was a lot more behind the scenes than expected.
>That is such a strange choice. Have they ever done something like that before?
Yeah, Seasons 2 and 3 of the original MMPR where Saban filmed American-made footage using the Zyuranger costumes and the white Dairanger costume for Tommy.
Oh right. Wow I am out of the loop. Guess it's not really that much of a surprise then. Tough I imagine closing down shop seemingly completely is a big deal.
There's always rumors that they want to develop another movie or a show that isn't an adaptation of Sentai
But between the costs and the Strikes it'll probably be a few years before anything actually happens
Easily the Next Mutation's best episodes
Shame it was a another show that did it
All the best writers working for Saban were a part of the In Space team, I assume.
In Space is one series that still mostly holds up even if I hate the Dark Specter resolution.
>Turbo foreshadows all the prior villains eventually joining forces
>It does happen in Space, but is only seen in the first and last episodes
I felt ripped off. And Trakeena in Lost Galaxy was miles better than Astronema.
Why did Rita transform into human at the end when her brother Riri and father Master Vile didn’t?
Rito wasn't even around in Space (because the costume was wrecked beyond repair). I assumed he was killed off sometime after Zeo. As to Rita and Zedd, probably some sappy "love equals redemption" explanation, while Divatox had the implication that she was sister to that annoying fake fem-Zordon in Turbo.
What happened to fem-Zordon?
Demetria left to help Zordon fight off the villain alliance at the end of Turbo. That was the last anybody saw of her, and the villains won that battle, so odds are it didn't end well for her.
How do you know they didn’t transform into humans? We never see them afterwards except for a couple of clip shows I think so they could have been purified off screen. Also (IIRC) they were SUPPOSED to be in the In Space finale but the costumes were too fricked to use so it didn’t happen
>Why did Rita transform into human at the end when her brother Riri and father Master Vile didn’t?
The real crime is what happened to Ecliptor.
Even after all these years, it still pisses me off whenever I think about it.
I haven't thought about that in years, but yeah, you're right. He deserved better.
Speaking of ripoffs, I'm actually gonna vent because it still makes me angry.
Dark Specter is supposed to be this ultimate villain even though he's a complete idiot and gets 9/11'd by Darkonda without ever getting to fight the Rangers, unless we count Psycho Rangers as a proxy (as they nearly killed him by using his as a source of their power). But that just makes me wonder how powerful he really was considering Psychos, while strong, weren't really a threat you'd expect from the Boss of all Bosses type of antagonist.
I always thought Zedd WAS human. Just with obliterated skin. I guess Zordon's wave healed him or something.
>Turbo ends with Dark Specter being teased as the greatest evil in the universe, implying some kind of Eldritch entity
>Space starts and he's literally just Maligor from the Turbo movie because the writers figured nobody would care enough to complain that they were recycling the costume
At least the similarity was not lost on Divatox.
Kid me just treated it as a Goofy/Pluto situation, lmao.
>And Trakeena in Lost Galaxy was miles better than Astronema.
I won't let you turn Cinemaphile into a house of lies, anon.
More likely that he hates the entire production team and all the corporate stooges that turned TMNT into more and more of a moronic, childish parody of itself. They wanted to make a show about cool heroes fighting aliens and ninjas and it got turned into a corny, safe, disney-esque product to promote supermarket openings and DARE PSAs.
He sure doesnt seem to hate all the money gphe got.
Yeah the Turtke Tour with those silly songs were the derpiest shit ever, they were even at Disney-MGM studios
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Laird is the one who truly loved the Turtles.
Laird was the one who sold them to Viacom because he was tired of being the TMNT guy and wanted to do something else.... which he didn't.
Your first part is correct, your second part is not
Laird sold the franchise to Viacom because he was tired of managing it, full stop
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/musings-about-sale.html
>First, why did I sell the TMNT? There are a number of reasons, but first and foremost is that I have been doing this TMNT thing for twenty-five years, sixteen of them in partnership with TMNT co-creator Kevin Eastman and the last nine as sole owner of the property. That is a long time. It is almost half my life (I'm 55). I never expected to be working on the same thing for this long. And it has worn me down. I am no longer that guy who carries his sketchbook around with him and draws in it every chance he gets. That guy did all of the pre-TMNT artwork you have been seeing on this blog in many of my "Blast from the Past" posts.
I'm gonna say it, Laird and Eastman are crappy artists.
Eastman's gotten really,really rusty, but Laird was a solid cartoonist. He barely draws now but if you do catch him at a con or see a sketch he does he can still draw good turtles.
Eastman has stagnated incredibly hard. His art is stiffer, chunkier, and less refined than it was when he was still an amateur and doing TMNT comics for the first time in his life.
there probably isn but is there a mega for decent quality next mutation?
Cuz she's not a superior ninja fox. OR he feels the turtles are supposed to be unique, and not have newfound family popping up everywhere like goddamn Lilo and Stitch: The Series..
Next Mutation:
>Female turtle turned mutant turtle
>has shell boobs and a defined feminine figure despite no trace of human DNA
IDW Comics:
>Female human turned mutant turtle
>looks exactly the same as the male counterparts despite base DNA being human
it's tiresome...
Only cowards are afraid of turtle breasts.
I like Next Mutation. Yeah, I said it!
It might have to do with me being a LatinAmerican anon, thus I first watched the dub, where the 4 turtles and Splinter's dub actors of the 1987 series returned, and there are subtle, but effective differences in dialogue.
That being said, nowadays, I can see the show for what it is and not let nostalgia blind my eyes to its flaws. I still enjoy it, of course.
I honestly enjoy Next Mutation in a "so bad it's good" way, but I think Venus is the last issue with the show. The other Turtles are really obnoxious, the comedy rarely if ever lands, and it didn't have a good balance of cheese to plot the way Power Rangers did at the time.
>it didn't have a good balance of cheese to plot the way Power Rangers did at the time.
Thanks for bringing up Power Rangers, I always found interesting how Next Mutation was, in a certain way, yet another Saban attempt to exploit the "American Toku" formula, only with an already popular IP instead of an original one (like Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog)
Laird was barely involved with Last Ronin, just a rubber stamp, back in the Mirage days he made his own future story where Don was the last one
>super-special OC who effortlessly defeats Shredder with magic because that's exactly what everyone wants to see in an action series, the iconic villain being effortlessly defeated in the beginning of the series without being allowed to put up a fight and spends the rest of the series being useless shipbait
Contrarians pretending Venus wasn't shit are irritating.
To be fair that's how the first comic was. The turtles killed off Shredder in his first appearance because he was not tough and he only makes a return because the creators never expected TMNT to become a huge success. Shredder may be the main villain of the franchise but he's not the strongest much like how in Batman there are stronger villains than Joker.
>he was not tough
He was kicking Turtles' asses throughout that entire fight and was only overhwelmed by their numbers. He also went out trying to take the Turtles out in a murder-suicide attempt. Just because he was a one-shot villain doesn't mean he wasn't tough.
That's entirely different from being anticlimactically poof'd away by the magic.
Before Shredder fought the turtles he forced them to fight his minions. So the turtles wasted their energy and even endured a few cuts and injuries before they were allowed to challenge Shredder. Rule of fiction is if the villain relies on his minions he's not tough.
No, it just means a villain has minions because he's a leader which is literally how every crime lord villain operates including tough ones like Kingpin.
And again, an actual fricking fight is vastly different from some OC b***h
That might've worked had the actual villains of the show been any good, but they weren't. And even then that wasn't what Next Mutation did. The show acted like he's the guy from 1990 movie.
let's be honest the Shredder can just as easily fit into a bumbling Saturday morning cartoon villain role as he does the climactic final boss the show was building up to from episode 1
I'm not invested in TMNT at all, but what about Aloplex?
TL;DR: Laird hates Venus de Milo because he and Eastman agreed to never introduce a female TMNT, mutually agreeing that it would be trite. At the same time, Eastman became more and more of a sellout as Turtlemania grew. So when Eastman went ahead and made Venus De Milo, Laird saw it as a sign that his friend had sold out.
Turtles are tragic, they're only ones of their kind..there's uniqueness and bittersweetness to it that is completely remove once you add a female turtle. The turtles are special, having a way to make more turtles doesn't make them special anymore.
Aren't they canonically able to reproduce with humans?
My question is this, what's so wrong with giving the turtles potential pussy from within their species? Never liked seeing any of the implied romances where the main turtles lust for other species like Donatello with April, Leo with Karai, Michelangelo with that elf princess or Renet, or Raphael with foxes.
I just get weirded out when I see the whole implications that the turtles want to frick outside of their species.
Turtles shouldn't be attracted to humans or whatever but there shouldn't be female turtles, simple as.
When everyone a turtle, no one is.
The issue here isn't "girl turtle bad", the issue is "The 5th Ninja Turtle" is always a bad idea. Go ahead and make a girl turtle OC, just don't try and force her into the core group.
It's always a little uncomfortable whenever any of the series introduce the idea that the turtles have any sort of romantic feelings for any humans. Even romances between mutants of different species raises some uncomfortable questions that I don't think anyone wants the writers to answer.
Why should a fifth female turtle just be a girlfriend?
The same reason why Cinemaphile hated Jennika.
Mona Lisa was also suppose to be a female Turtle on the original cartoon, until Laird put his foot done to the Fred Wolf folks and said “frick no.”
So they compromised and made her a lizard/salamander at the last minute..
There's also the Planet of the Turtloids two-parter. Eastman and Laird were so enraged that they banned it from being re-released on DVD sets. It's only on the final set for Season 10 that the episode was squeezed in as a hidden bonus feature, likely because it was the last one and thus it didn't matter anymore.
So the "Planet of the Turtles" episode with alien German wrestler turtles slipped past them?
That might as well be non canon, since the two parter did it way better.
>Eastman and Laird were so enraged that they banned it from being re-released on DVD sets.
uh
Did you seriously not read the sentence that came right after that?
Did you seriously not read the two listings of different releases where it was released several times and not just the one 'secret hidden feature' reveal?
Season 5's DVD set came out in 2008, back when Laird still owned the property, where the ban was in effect.
Season 10's DVD set came out in 2012, 3 years after Nick bought the IP from Laird. Any of Laird's bans would be tossed out at this point.
The Cowabunga Classics DVD released in 2014, 5 years after the buy out.
Complete Cowabunga Collection is a 2018 repackaging of the previously released DVD sets. No changes were made, they're the exact same DVD disc. This collection was 9 years after the buy out.
The only other release was the VHS release, which didn't apply because the ban was only in effect for the DVD releases and when Laird was in control
Which characters did Laird create?
So it was only banned once, and is on half a dozen releases making the ban completely moot.
You still trying to dig this fricking hole? Walk the frick away homie. You're anonymous. No one will know or remember you're fricking moronic.
Walk away from what you're still wrong.
>It was banned from the DVDs
>it's not on one set but is on all the others
Get fricked moron, sit down and shut up.
I always assumed Slash was a Laird/Eastman creation like Leatherhead and stay King, until adapted to the cartoon.
Slash is one non-core Turtle I don't mind.
He's pretty much Turtles' version of Venom so he works better than most attempts to add another Turtle.
I agree with this anon also helps he a snapping turtle which makes sense why he villain, they're buttholes.
>"PALM TREE!"
Speaking of, I'm surprised Shredder's Revenge forgot all about his precious "Binky". Not even a crudely-scratched palm tree on one of the rock walls (unless I missed it).
I'm not sure with Slash if I prefer him to tower over them utterly with him having more raw power then all of them due to being a Snapper but less skill or a balance where he's same size and equal to them but just more vicious and violent, though hate his 80's cartoon design.
This is bait, the 1990 movie and 2003 show are beloved because they are closest to the comics.
With all the zaniness of the Renet and. Savanti Romero story arc, I’m surprised it was never adapted in the 1987 cartoon series.
I’m glad Nickelodeon stayed true and adapted Renet having big breasts (as much as they could)
Why do most versions of him besides 03 (which I'll admit he had some bad writing in),1990 and comic suck?
No one else ever really knows what the hell he is about at all. 87 show just had him be a somewhat helpful Jason Vorhees
He's too violent a character to do correctly. His whole motivation for fighting crime is literally watching bad TV. 03 was the best compromise.
2003 is only forgotten because Fox Kids died off. And no syndication runs for it.
And I say that as a kid who grew up with the 1987 cartoon.
Wasn't Jennika an officialized fan character of the writer? Or she derived from one... I can't remember.
Karai > Venus
Do we have a good turtle version of Karai?
... for research purposes, of course.
Gentlemen,
How do we feel about Keno?
Shitty replacement for Casey Jones, and just one of many things that was added to dumb the sequel down because parents screamed over the first film's grit and violence.
The sequel and Next Mutation don't work for the exact same reason.
I love 1987 cartoon because it's dumb fun, but since it's a cartoon and therefore allows a room for exaggeration without it looking out of place it doesn't work translated in live-action. 1990 movie had the right idea about balancing the grittiness of Mirage and silliness of the cartoon. You can borrow elements of 1987 cartoon but you can't copy its tone completely without your movie being a more charmless version of a cartoon.
To be fair, he was more of a replacement for that kid Danny from the first film.
I personally don't mind him that much. I love the whole sequence of him and Raph infiltrating the Foot (specially when Raph helps him cheat the bell test, always nice seeing the turtles doing actual ninja shit other than just delivering punches).
But after that... I don't even remember what else he did for the plot, if I'm being honest. But ultimately...
>Shitty replacement for Casey Jones
He is what he is...
>I don't even remember what else he did for the plot
Making women seethe
He doesn't do much outside of Raph interactions and helping move the plot forward with Raph. After Raph gets caught, he falls off.
I guess he's suppose to be a example for Raphael for whenever he rushes into problems without thinking and its a teaching moment for both of them. It's kind of like how Casey was suppose to be Raph but if he was really nuts and let his rage take control. Ultimately, Casey could have fulfilled both roles.
I don't hate Keno though. Ernie was great in the role and any issues I have with the character and his role in the story sort of just slip out of my mind.
Not the worst thing in that movie. I guess the directors wanted a spunky teen sidekick to appeal to the younger audience. Shame, because April and Casey were perfect in the first movie.
There are still people calling for her or Jennika to be put into Shredder’s Revenge DLC.
Omg... please not Jennika
A large community want her playable in the game.
Define "large"
Dozens of dozens of Zoomers
If there's barely any porn of a character, there's no fandom for them.
What about Karai, Angel Bridge, Alopex, Renet, and Radical?
You don't need my permission to look up porn, anon.
Unable to do it currently, I’m afraid.
No surprises that those crazy furries make up a big chunk of the TMNT fandom.
Which female has the most prom after April and Karai?
Karai barely has any. April is the one and only true queen of TMNT
Let's face it: TMNT is a near-total sausagefest. April, Karai, and Renet are literally the only three women in the whole franchise with any purpose.
Should have been Renet included in Shredder’s Revenge DLC.
This design could have in the original cartoon?
They made a 1987 design for that mobile game Mutant Madness. I’ll see if I can find it.
Found it.
It was shown that any developer making a 1987 inspired Turtles game can use Karai, Renet and Savanti Romero.
Butterface
That's a problem? I don't watch Turtles for chicks man.
I assume it’s 1987 series April.
Best girl always wins
She's got the most, and a majority of the high quality stuff is under her name. There's a great animated CG one with her.
The others don't even come close
What about Karai?
146 total
102 from 2012
20 from 2003
5 from 2007
3 from Rise
I'm surprised 2012 takes the bulk. She's the ugliest one. It's like if Juri got hit with a frying pan.
April realizes that Karai has a fourth snake head in a rather surprising place.
What about Renet?
7
None of them are good
Sad.
What about Irma, Mona Lisa, Angel Bridge, Radical?
Renet should have the most porn!!!
%3D
Look at the comments
The west has truly fallen
As far as I've seen, furries don't really go for TMNT... But weird fujo/weeb girls do.
>>Sees Alopex and Ninjara
Tribute already confirmed that nobody from IDW is getting into the game, so they're pleading for nothing.
Why not Jennika?
Who would be the ideal 10th character to play in Shredder’s Revenge?
The Nobody moniker?
Dirk Savage?
Renet Tilley?
Panda Khan?
Shredder himself.
This kind of games should allow you to play as a main villain, with slight alterations to the plot
Doesn't have to be plot-changing, especially now that they have a multiverse shit introduced
Could be something like this.
>now that they have a multiverse shit introduced
Then Shredder, all the time. How often have we been able to play as him, other than in 1vs1 fighting games?
You can morph into him temporarily in survivor mode along with Bebop or Rocksteady.
Agent Bishop
What is Panda Khan?
Tokka and Razah made it in. Keno should too.
Maybe
The movie guy?
Yeah
For as much shit people love to give Secret of the Ooze, everyone sure loves stealing from it.
All they ever steal from it is Tokka, Rahzar, and Super Shredder.
>Tokka, Rahzar,
I never understood the appeal of these guys.
They're just completely uninteresting. Do they have anything good stories or moments beyond being an outlet for Laird's seething over Bebop and Rocksteady?
I like Tokka's design
Nope, the 87 show gave them one episode where they were aliens or some shit. Then the 2012 show made Tokka some cosmic entity that eats planets and Razar is just some dog alien. They pretty much only exist as a physical form of rage against Bebop and Rocksteady.
>Razar is just some dog alien
No he was the OC character Dogpound who got mutated again
The way 2012 treat mutation is really fricked up and it was one of the things that made it hard to enjoy it at all.
The Neutrinos, but you switch between them and they act as one
Sounds like the Punk frogs
Mondo Gecko. Since Karai took the spot for Konami games rep, he can be the Archie comics rep. He has the skateboard and the dance moves.
Then Mutagen Man can be the 11th character that plays like a chameleon character, and the only way to play the Survival Mode bosses in the other modes. He can rep the toy side.
Ray fillet
Wouldn’t you?
Didn't Venus just come back in the IDW comics?
No, some mangled frog chose that name for herself cus her original arms were amputated by a mad scientist, giving her a look similar to the bust of Venus. Actually clever.
Which mad scientist?
Jasper Barlow. He's an homage to a character from the old Palladium RPG.
No, Barlow called her that because she's his "work of art". Her real name is Bonnie.
And then she spirit reincarnated into a turtle or something like that.
Honestly, they could have just made her a turtle from the start
Should have kept her as she was
Amputated?
he's an old sexist.
"most old fans" have dogshit taste, then
He’s hates all mutants that aren’t the 4 turtles, Splinter and Leatherhead.
Big busty timestress
Why do you this? Are you afraid of your own opinions that you keep deleting your posts?
Huh?
What happened?
From what I see most don't like those opinions, no wonder this shitty board likes other trash like Adventure Time, Amphibia, and whatever will become the shitty media of the future. Makes one want to root for companies to continue ruining all these properties with notable fandoms such as TMNT. And the posts keep the thread bumped even if the posts are deleted afterwards. But they aren't always self deleted, we do have shitty mods as well to consider every now and then.
Best girl
>All the concept art has a lower cut shirt and visible cleavage.
>final model is far more covered up.
Shame.
Blame Nickelodeon Executives
Release the cleavage CUT!
I hope no kids thought Venus on the Next Mutation was hot.
How does he feel about Jennika?
Because Laird is a true April O’Neil connoisseur.
the frick is wrong with that picture
Shen you type in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles heroine in search, April comes up, not Venus
Okay okay. I just checked out the IDW TMNT thread. You cannot look me in the face and tell me it isn’t being made by a furry and for a furry audience.
It's been well established and widely acknowledged that the Mutant Town arc was the furry arc.
Isn’t it still ongoing?
Armageddon Game ended with the wall being torn down and Karai giving Stockman the ol' dicktwist, so now mutants have integrated with the rest of society and Mutant Town is recognizes as its own borough of New York with Sally as its Mayor in one big handwave resolution. There's still tons of mutants, but the turtles are back to living in their sewer lair and going on patrols... only they do it in broad daylight now and most crowd shots in the city have a few furries peppered in.
April is crazy
What’s Eastman’s opinion of Venus?
Venus was the reason Eastman and Laird broke up
Did Eastman create her?
The Saban guys did, Eastman was fine with it, Laird wasn't
He liked her and hoped she'd come back.
Whats Laird’s thoughts on Mona Lisa?
Do we love Tatsu? Does Laird and Eastman?
He's alright
Sadly with how often Karai and mutant henchmem are used there really doesn't need to be a another named member of foot that follows the Shredder
Maybe if your doing a Foot civil war arc or something
Who owns the rights?
Yeah, it's a shame Foot Clan hierarchy isn't explored more. I'm reminded of the disappointment people had when early 2012 TMNT was airing and they mutated Bradford after only 2 or 3 episodes of appearances.
Understandable.
He was way cooler as evil Chuck Norris.
The moment he got turned into a gigantic dog, all his coolness went away and he just became a generic evil mutant.
Karai is usually brought in as a defiant member. The mutant henchmen are usually looked down on. I think a hardcore loyalist still has room.
Shinigami was a weird one, but I liked the idea of the foot having some magic members.
amazing how TMNT met up with Batman before ever crossing over with fellow New Yorkers like Daredevil.
Wasn't there a Batman/Daredevil crossover in the 90s?
Low, I think. The fact that Shredder's Revenge got even one reasonably sized DLC was a surprise, at launch they were saying character DLC wasn't happening because it took so much effort to do hand-animated sprite sheets for the amount of situations in the game
Why are mutated girls so good? What would April's ideal mutation be?
The obvious and canonical ones, cat or the fifth turtle.
I think Turtle makes the most sense
Becoming the mutagen itself.
Mutagen Woman April
Huh
Mirage Shredder (not the worms) put up a good fight
2003 had the plot twist that he was a mech piloted by an Ultron
Bay gave him a moronic suit
I don't know what the frick was going on with IDW
Rise made him a demon
But Fred Wolf Shredder? He's the goat. Just a Human Ninja Samurai kicking mutant ass. All other Shredders kneel. Except for live action of course.
>I don't know what the frick was going on with IDW
Samurai guy who started the Foot Clan. Lots of reincarnation shit and a poorly told twist that some immortal fox lady was trying to use him to resurrect her father, who was some kind of Satanic Dragon God. He died and got reincarnated as the son of the guy who killed him and eventually became the leader of the Foot Clan again and also Hamato Yoshi's best friend and then killer. Then he got mummified and resurrected in the modern era while Yoshi and his sons got reincarnated as a Rat and Four turtles.
The reincarnation angle IDW went with is honestly stupid as hell.
I don't know why almost every single adaption feels like they need to change their origin and connection to Shredder. Even 2003 wasn't innocent with the Ultron bullshit. Only changes I enjoyed were the Live Action (Removing Shredder's brother) and Fred Wolf (Making Yoshi Splinter). Both of these changes removed a degree of separation, making the connection stronger between the cast without adding any unnecessary bullshit.
It's kind of a solved equation, isn't it? Through iteration they ended up with a version of the origin story that gives you all the reasons for the Turtles to fight Shredder and the Foot clan. The reincarnation angle is a more complicated way to reach that same conclusion while also introducing an afterlife, fate, spiritual grudges, reincarnation, immortal fox witches, somehow connecting all of that to Krang who was visiting and interfering with Earth for hundreds of years.
It's why IDW TMNT kinda fricking sucks as a whole. Everything is too connected to everything and the implications of every fricking plot being knotted together just makes it a fricking headache.
I think a huge problem is a lot of creators come on board with the assumption that no normal human should ever be capable of putting up a fight against super mutants and try to buff shredder in some way like the Bay mech suit, the rise demon armor, or the 2003 mech suit. Really skilled martial artist that gives no fricks if he is fighting a mutant tiger or dragon already works. Don't frick with it and give him stupid suits and mech armors.
Eastman and Laird always had a weird dynamic and it's amazing they could ever produce the original handful of TMNT comics they got out before they went their own ways. Laird is very focused on the original Mirage run and his time handling the franchise included the most comics-accurate attempt at an adaptation with the 2003 turtles show which even adapted very obscure or forgettable issues, as long as Laird or Eastman had something to do with them (or if Laird liked them enough).
Eastman has always been open to letting other creators contribute to the TMNT mythos so he's the one who is okay with Bebop and Rocksteady returning. Laird hates them both and either dislikes or is very apathetic to the other adapations that happened.
It was always weird to me that Laird dislikes the characters created for the 1987 cartoon when the vast majority of them were created by Mirage in-house artists like Ryan Brown. You'd think the open relationship between Mirage and Playmates would mean Laird would have been receptive to those characters but apparently not (and some he even had a hand in, like the character that would become Groundchuck).