It did well, it just didn't do well enough. >Budget $150 million[3] >Box office $211.6 million[3]
Pirates of the Carribean meanwhile (same year) >$140M Budget >$653M Box office
So instead of MaC sequels you got At Worlds End.
>Hugely expensive and not profitable enough.
Same reason we haven't seen a streamer buy it and just do the entire series of books
There aren't enough true age of sail kino enthusiasts to justify the expense
How good are the books compared to the movie? I don't think I would enjoy the books because the movie is atmospehric as fuck and I can't imagine the books being as good, there also won't be much tension since I know they can't kill off the main characters until the final book.
>there also won't be much tension since I know they can't kill off the main characters until the final book.
How does this not kill the tension of an adaptation then, when you know already it's a book series?
I only looked into it after checking out the movie. I had no idea it was a series beforehand I just remember some complaint about it failing some feminist test due to no women.
Harry Potter and Hunger games literally made billions at the box office. They hit that sweet spot of 11-15 year olds who are impressionable enough to not throw a shit fit if the film maker doesn’t stay true to the IP. Master and Commander books weren’t being widely read by young adults at the time the film came out.
Yes but at what kino cost? They already filmed it with a real ship on a movement rig in a flooded tank, the only thing they could cgi is the ship itself, and fuck that.
>Hugely expensive and not profitable enough.
Same reason we haven't seen a streamer buy it and just do the entire series of books
There aren't enough true age of sail kino enthusiasts to justify the expense
By this logic it's kind of curious how shit like North Water and the Terror got made. There definitely aren't enough boats enthusiasts to make films like M&C hugely profitable, but series work on different logic.
There is a BBC series on Hornblower. Can anyone report on the show?
I read a little of the HH books but I prefer the Jack Aubry books, so I never watched the Hornblower shows.
The BBC Hornblower series is worth watching. Has good production quality and decent acting. It's a bit repetitive in terms of plot, as Sharpe is, though there's plenty of variation in location and the exact decisions Hornblower has to make as he advances through the ranks.
The strangest feeling I got was how often it felt like a Star Trek episode, I didn't know beforehand that the books were an inspiration to Roddenberry.
The BBC Hornblower series is worth watching. Has good production quality and decent acting. It's a bit repetitive in terms of plot, as Sharpe is, though there's plenty of variation in location and the exact decisions Hornblower has to make as he advances through the ranks.
The strangest feeling I got was how often it felt like a Star Trek episode, I didn't know beforehand that the books were an inspiration to Roddenberry.
Hornblower books are written for schoolboys, and that carries over into the films
Great books, but properly fit into the juvenile fiction section of the library
Aubrey-Maturin are Hornblower for grown men who have never slaked their thirst for sail kino
The more time goes on the more it seems like big Harv, people like him, and the casting couch system (to a lesser degree) was what kept the hollywood magic going.
It's not entirely wrong, look behind any beloved classic from the 80s-early 90s, and there's a fucking israelite producer somewhere tardwrangling the director and the scripwriter.
Joel Silver and Jerry Bruckheimer alone are responsible for a couple dozen great classics.
If only israelites in general didn't HAVE to eventually start subverting their host nations to the point of no return seemingly every single time. Poor Harv was probably a sacrificial lamb to kick off the final phases.
How can one man be so based? He got things done, and they destroyed him for it.
If only israelites in general didn't HAVE to eventually start subverting their host nations to the point of no return seemingly every single time. Poor Harv was probably a sacrificial lamb to kick off the final phases.
The crazy shit about Harv is that there were no real fucking proofs at the trial.
It was literally a "she said", no police report, no doctor/hospital report, and a hazy recollection of an encounter from 10+ years before. Of all the fucking pedo in Hollywood they got the guy who fucked legal age girls and actually kept his part of the deal.
But this is from a book series, so easily could have had one, and would have felt natural from where the movie left off. I don't necessarily disagree with your point in general. It's too late to make one now and it's better to not have one than one that wound up being shit.
I've only read the first three so far. I like them. There are parts where they get into finding wives and dealing with all that goes along with it, but it is well written and interesting. I just skim those and follow along well enough.
The parts when they are at sea are great. Patrick O'Brian doesn't explain much about seafaring. He just launches into it like the reader is an ol' sea dog but it is a fun ride.
Once you get to know Jack Aubry and Stephen Maturin, you'll want to follow them anywhere.
The studio did a horrible job of getting audiences to see it. 20-30 million more marketing spend would have pushed this film into the $400 million range. Even then it’s an uphill battle because this didn’t fit the mold of YA genre when the movie came out. Period shit is expensive to shoot and history enthusiasts are few and far between in an era where history is being retconned to glorify powerful black queens
There were other books. Iteration was not needed. They have the content written for them. It’s interesting. In the books, Paul Bettany’s is a 18th century James Bond and Crowe’s character is his Jack Ryan counterpart. The amount of shit they get up to in the series is insane and set against one of the most consequential (if not most consequential) periods in European history. A brave studio with the right producers would have made a cash cow out of this and in the process elevated the quality of blockbuster cinema.
Because the star of the show can now play a rock that a ship can wreck itself on.
They probably intended to adapt more of the books but it didn't do well in theaters
It did well, it just didn't do well enough.
>Budget $150 million[3]
>Box office $211.6 million[3]
Pirates of the Carribean meanwhile (same year)
>$140M Budget
>$653M Box office
So instead of MaC sequels you got At Worlds End.
How good are the books compared to the movie? I don't think I would enjoy the books because the movie is atmospehric as fuck and I can't imagine the books being as good, there also won't be much tension since I know they can't kill off the main characters until the final book.
>there also won't be much tension since I know they can't kill off the main characters until the final book.
How does this not kill the tension of an adaptation then, when you know already it's a book series?
I only looked into it after checking out the movie. I had no idea it was a series beforehand I just remember some complaint about it failing some feminist test due to no women.
Harry Potter and Hunger games literally made billions at the box office. They hit that sweet spot of 11-15 year olds who are impressionable enough to not throw a shit fit if the film maker doesn’t stay true to the IP. Master and Commander books weren’t being widely read by young adults at the time the film came out.
Hugely expensive and not profitable enough.
Which is a fucking shame because it was highest of kino tier. But as a boats guy I may be prejudiced.
with better CGI available now, they can surely save on the cost
Yes but at what kino cost? They already filmed it with a real ship on a movement rig in a flooded tank, the only thing they could cgi is the ship itself, and fuck that.
>Hugely expensive and not profitable enough.
Same reason we haven't seen a streamer buy it and just do the entire series of books
There aren't enough true age of sail kino enthusiasts to justify the expense
By this logic it's kind of curious how shit like North Water and the Terror got made. There definitely aren't enough boats enthusiasts to make films like M&C hugely profitable, but series work on different logic.
There is a BBC series on Hornblower. Can anyone report on the show?
I read a little of the HH books but I prefer the Jack Aubry books, so I never watched the Hornblower shows.
Not making a sequel is the lesser of two weavils.
The BBC Hornblower series is worth watching. Has good production quality and decent acting. It's a bit repetitive in terms of plot, as Sharpe is, though there's plenty of variation in location and the exact decisions Hornblower has to make as he advances through the ranks.
The strangest feeling I got was how often it felt like a Star Trek episode, I didn't know beforehand that the books were an inspiration to Roddenberry.
Hornblower books are written for schoolboys, and that carries over into the films
Great books, but properly fit into the juvenile fiction section of the library
Aubrey-Maturin are Hornblower for grown men who have never slaked their thirst for sail kino
Because they took out the one man who could make it happen.
The more time goes on the more it seems like big Harv, people like him, and the casting couch system (to a lesser degree) was what kept the hollywood magic going.
It's not entirely wrong, look behind any beloved classic from the 80s-early 90s, and there's a fucking israelite producer somewhere tardwrangling the director and the scripwriter.
Joel Silver and Jerry Bruckheimer alone are responsible for a couple dozen great classics.
If only israelites in general didn't HAVE to eventually start subverting their host nations to the point of no return seemingly every single time. Poor Harv was probably a sacrificial lamb to kick off the final phases.
T-tear up that goypussy, Harv
How can one man be so based? He got things done, and they destroyed him for it.
The crazy shit about Harv is that there were no real fucking proofs at the trial.
It was literally a "she said", no police report, no doctor/hospital report, and a hazy recollection of an encounter from 10+ years before. Of all the fucking pedo in Hollywood they got the guy who fucked legal age girls and actually kept his part of the deal.
This may come as something of a revelation, but not every film needs a sequel. Especially this.
You can't always catch lighting in a bottle.
But this is from a book series, so easily could have had one, and would have felt natural from where the movie left off. I don't necessarily disagree with your point in general. It's too late to make one now and it's better to not have one than one that wound up being shit.
Are the books kino?
I've only read the first three so far. I like them. There are parts where they get into finding wives and dealing with all that goes along with it, but it is well written and interesting. I just skim those and follow along well enough.
The parts when they are at sea are great. Patrick O'Brian doesn't explain much about seafaring. He just launches into it like the reader is an ol' sea dog but it is a fun ride.
Once you get to know Jack Aubry and Stephen Maturin, you'll want to follow them anywhere.
Peter Weir retired. A different director would probably make a shitty movie.
Because the future is female, chuddy
What for? Just make another period piece like it, different characters different story.
The studio did a horrible job of getting audiences to see it. 20-30 million more marketing spend would have pushed this film into the $400 million range. Even then it’s an uphill battle because this didn’t fit the mold of YA genre when the movie came out. Period shit is expensive to shoot and history enthusiasts are few and far between in an era where history is being retconned to glorify powerful black queens
I don't want a pozzed sequel homosexual.
ypu dont itterate on perfection you dolt
this is the marvel movie of chads
There were other books. Iteration was not needed. They have the content written for them. It’s interesting. In the books, Paul Bettany’s is a 18th century James Bond and Crowe’s character is his Jack Ryan counterpart. The amount of shit they get up to in the series is insane and set against one of the most consequential (if not most consequential) periods in European history. A brave studio with the right producers would have made a cash cow out of this and in the process elevated the quality of blockbuster cinema.
Cause they would've fucked it up, ya dummy.