Why was Darth Vader so affected by Luke when he knew Obi-Wan way longer?

Why was Darth Vader so affected by Luke when he knew Obi-Wan way longer?

Don't say it's because they're related.
>the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Blood related

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Luke was his son

      that shit doesn't matter, he knew him for all of like 3 years, he knew almost his entire life

      Because of Padme I guess. Also Vader was willing to kill Luke before he sacrificed himself to Sheev. It was the act of sacrificing himself to save his father that let him redeem himself. It's sort of Christlike.

      Obi-Wan tried redeeming Vader and his response was just pure rage.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Obi-Wan did a shitty job of it besides Vader was still seething about their last encounter

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pure rage
        have you literally not watched ep 3 or obi wan?
        vader is torn and conflicted the entire time
        all he needed is a big enough push to break him

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          He never tries to reason with him, he yells out in fury, he delights in turn to the dark side.

          There's none of that with Luke. He even says "It's too late for me, son" in RotJ. Did he just get old and tired? It's never explained.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >making them duel again and shitting all over A New Hope
            fuck producers demanding mindless fan service

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            He tries to negotiate with Obi-Wan before the Mustafar fight. He's also crying for some reason after slaughtering the trade federation or whatever.
            I always just assumed Vader was an Imperialistic crackhead who was tempted by the dark side of the Whills of the Force (for some reason?) and became addicted. So when he's on that downward slope where he's not high and thinking about his life, he's just in "Pain. Terrible pain."
            But I guess he's space Jesus or something instead, and his entire purpose was to throw clone Sheev down a galactic ventilation shaft so Rey could became the Last/all Jedi and melt the real(?) Palps with his own lightning again, except now her powers have doubled since Mace Windu.
            I don't fucking know. None of this matters. Shit is retarded. Lucas is just a goober who likes to build models.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        obi wan show isn't canon, he wanted luke to kill vader he thought there was no redeeming him.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >obi wan show isn't canon, he wanted luke to kill vader he thought there was no redeeming him.
          None of that conflicts with the Kenobi show, though. In fact, the end of that show depicts Obi-Wan accepting the fact that Anakin is gone. He literally said, "Then my friend is truly dead" or something on those lines. So yeah, after that he would want Luke to just kill Vader and put him out of his misery.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Revenge of the Sith already did that, in a somehow less retarded fashion.
            >Unsheathes his saber first; I will do what I must
            >You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.
            Didn't need some rock concert between the two to establish that feeling that already existed. I guess it's not that it conflicts, it's just recycled material, done worse, for a monetary payoff.
            Not to imply that the Prequels weren't that also.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, they even set up the meme of Obi-Wan calling him "Darth" to his face in the original movie, which didn't mean anything then, but now it's been reinterpreted to mean that Obi-Wan considered Anakin well and truly dead by that point, which works well enough.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              So then why does "Darth" reference Anakin's time as a padawan/apprentice and his relationship with Obi-Wan in general? Why does Darth Vader even care about fighting Obi-Wan beyond getting some old wizard off his space orb?
              Oh yeah, because Vader and Anakin aren't separate characters, and nothing Lucas or Disney writes ever made or will make sense.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                What are you talking about? Obi-Wan considers Anakin dead, but he's mistaken. That's the story.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        if you ever have sex and start a family you will understand, a father will always have an instinctual care for his son because it's the perpetuation of his genes, it's biologically wired into us.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Have kids and find out.

          where's the narrative in that

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Luke was his son

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because of Padme I guess. Also Vader was willing to kill Luke before he sacrificed himself to Sheev. It was the act of sacrificing himself to save his father that let him redeem himself. It's sort of Christlike.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    because he hated Obi-Wan

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    because obiwan was a filthy space limey and today is america's day

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vader spent years imagining the child he killed

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Blood is thicker than water, everyone knows that.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's no one else's fault that you're a retarded piece of gay shit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, his parents

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >was never genuinely loyal to the emperor and was basically his battered wife
    >feels someone as strong in the force as he is and maybe the force itself is compelling him to collaborate with Luke for divine/prophetic reasons
    >thinks he has a possible shot at turning Luke and killing the emperor with him to rule the galaxy together
    >blames Obi-wan and the Jedi council for letting him become a darkshitter and disfiguring him

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Luke was his son. Did you forget the reason why he eventurned to the dark side in the first place op?

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s because they’re related. Luke is a mirror of Anakin, a hotheaded one handed Jedi prodigy who happens to be an ace pilot. Luke is also the product of himself and Padme, the person that Vader turned to the dark side for in the first place. ESB and ROTJ Vader is constantly fighting between his robot hate boner for his Jedi son, and trying to be a terrible father figure by teaming up to kill Sheev.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because Luke was his son. Did you forget the reason why he eventurned to the dark side in the first place op?

      Blood is thicker than water, everyone knows that.

      It doesn't matter that they're related, he didn't even know Luke existed until a couple years ago, they barely had any connection besides sharing DNA, which is a stupid choice if that's what drove the narrative.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Autism

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You dont have kids so you have no idea what youre talking about.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Vader thought for 19 years that he’d killed the woman he loved and threw away everything for, as well as his unborn child. Luke represents an opportunity to bury the past for good or to correct the mistakes he made before. It’s not just the blood relation, as he was fairly flippant about Leia it seems. Luke is a mirror of Anakin, and it’s no surprise that Vader became fixated on him.

          >when you have a child you'll understand
          Unfortunately for you, no woman will have your children, so you won't ever understand.

          >muh blood
          Vader tried to kill Luke in Episode 4 and cut his hand in Episode 5. What a great father.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vader thought for 19 years that he’d killed the woman he loved and threw away everything for, as well as his unborn child. Luke represents an opportunity to bury the past for good or to correct the mistakes he made before. It’s not just the blood relation, as he was fairly flippant about Leia it seems. Luke is a mirror of Anakin, and it’s no surprise that Vader became fixated on him.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Go be fair he only knew about his daughter in his last few minutes, using her to bait luke. Not sure if he even knew it was Leia

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wasn't the implication that he was reading Luke's mind? Pretty sure Luke would have been thinking of her by name.
            Whatever, this shit is written for children by a child.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous
      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It doesn't matter that they're related
        based retard

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >when you have a child you'll understand
        Unfortunately for you, no woman will have your children, so you won't ever understand.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically you have autism.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Retard inbred fuck

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think he ever had any intention of killing Luke. He was toying with him in ESB and only slices off his hand because he got pissed when Luke surprised him by actually landing a hit. He could've easily killed him earlier if he really wanted to imo.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m under the impression he would have killed Luke in ROTJ, just because Sheev was there. Agree with the ESB duel though

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whoa, such poetry....

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You’d think he would invest in a helmet that can’t get cut open as easily

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why did they give him fucking eyebrows in rebels

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        the physical therapy was good at the time

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you're not memeing he originally had eyebrows but Lucas CGI'd them out for no apparently reason.

        Maybe the dude just had eyebrows.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Intense bacta treatment.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          deh 😀

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          the eyebrows really do ruin it, based Lucas getting rid of them

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It makes me sad that I share this board with zoomers that have never seen the unaltered OT

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have, just couldn't remember. Once you see the special edition enough it replaces things

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I literally have not watched the special editions since 2004

            why the fuck would anyone who knows the difference subject themselves to that shit is beyond me

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Online, most images used are from SE.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          moron, unless you watched A New Hope in the original run, it was altered.
          Even the name A New Hope, is an aleration.
          It was just Star Wars before that.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            There were multiple different theatrical releases too

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            This box set is the only canon version I will accept. It was remastered enough, in the right ways, with no major SE-tier alterations. After this box set they made the Special Editions and then it was all a shitshow from then on.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why did they give him fucking eyebrows in rebels

      Intense bacta treatment.

      to anons who have gone completely bald/do the full head shave:

      do you shave your eyebrows? why/why not?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >do you shave your eyebrows? why/why not?
        I've seen someone who got his eyebrows shaved while passed out drunk. He looked strange until the eyebrows grew back.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Always keep your eyebrows. A person without eyebrows looks like a soulless inhuman automaton.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      God I hate that they did this in rebels and in kenobi. They also use the exact same SFX from return of the Jedi of him running out of breath. OMG ITS ANAKIN UNDER THERE GUYS, SO SAD!!!

      Intense bacta treatment.

      OT purists will tell you with a straight face that this scene was better with these stupid fucking eyebrows

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >OT purists will tell you with a straight face that this scene was better with these stupid fucking eyebrows
        It was better.
        Also, Sebastian Shaw >>>> Child Murderer

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Don't say it's because they're related.
    >>the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
    christian cope jargon isnt proof

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >can choke anyone out with his mind
    >gets in unnecessary sword fights instead

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm surprised he wasn't more shocked by Reva. Even if he was indifferent to murdering Younglings, the fact that she betrayed him must have meant way more than Obi-Wan (who he turned against and tried to kill twice).

    Really interested to see where they go with her.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Questionable bait

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd rather they do something interesting with a new character than keep REMEMBER TARKIN???ing old characters.

        Never got into Clone Wars but I remember hating Ahsoka. Now people like her, along with some of the named clones.

        Reva's backstory is fine on paper.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The rest of the world doesn't hate Reva, you pathetic incel

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone know if Order 66/Mustafar/pic related is in the LEGO Skywalker Saga game?
    I know the Anakin v. Obi-Wan lightsaber duel is, but I want to see LEGO Anakin get his limbs cut off and cooked.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Padme let Vader fuck her.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
    Idk where you're trying to go with this. It's obviously because Luke is his son and he feels guilt for everything he has done.
    I mean damn dude it's fucking Star Wars there isn't really that much room for debate

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be evil for 3 movies
      >suddenly regrets everything out of nepotism

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vader hated himself more than anyone in the universe, but he loved Padme.
    Luke (and Leia) was all that was left of Padme, so he was the only one who could bring him back to the light and redeem him. Anyone else would have reminded Vader of Anakin and could only make him angrier.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      And Luke and Padme don't remind him of Anakin?
      That's retarded.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How does leia remember her mother

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Obi-Wan taught Leia how to become a Whill Wraith

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      because George is retarded and forgot that Leia had memories of her biological mother, and the only rationalization anyone has tried to provide since 2005 is Obiwan telling Leia briefly about her mother in the TV series

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obi-Wan crippled him and Vader probably hate blame him for everything that happened in Ep. 3. So no matter how Obi-Wan would try to redeem Vader it's still going to be not enough. Luke was his son so he felt that there can be a new beginning for him.

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's because they were related. Killing his own son was the line he couldn't cross. What's not to get about that?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What does it make of Star Wars then?
      He killed shit ton of innocents, murdered children, choked his pregnant wife, attempted to kill his teacher and a brother, attempted to kill his student and a sister, was complicit in genocides, terrorized the galaxy for 20 years, but nooooooo, not my baby Luke? The guy he knew for what? How long did he even know him for? Like one week? What's the message of Star Wars then? Fuck over everyone else in the world, no matter how much they love and care about you, but don't fuck over your children? Shit message.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's his son. It sounds like you just have some personal problem with the idea of people valuing their own children above all other people (which most people do, believe it or not).

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, because it's selfish and there is nothing good about it, certainly nothing that warrants his redemption and becoming a force ghost.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, allowing Luke to die to save his own life would have been selfish. The fact that he wouldn't do that proved that there was that little bit of good in him, that even he didn't know was there, and in that moment he renounced the dark side.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              But he would never do that for someone else. Only for *his* son. Not for anyone else's son or daughter. Only because it happened to be his son, who was worthy of saving. It is selfish because he was protecting his bloodline and his genes.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, because family ties are stronger. It took the notion of doing that most extreme of things to get him to walk back from the dark side.
                An no, a truly evil person will kill their own child. There's no shortage of them. There's no rule that evil people can't kill their own kids because "muh biology".

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >because family ties are stronger.
                But this is terrible. How are Anakin's friends supposed to feel, whom he murdered? How does everyone else supposed to feel? What a garbage motivation.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                No one cares that you have a moral disagreement with the idea of family ties (like a commie). This is what happens in the story.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's dumb. You all make it sound as if it's ok to be an asshole to other people, as long as you don't do it to dem kidz. Why should I be convinced that Vader was truly redeemed? That he atoned for his actions? He got off scot-free into death and becoming a force ghost, he did not even have to answer for his shit before anyone.

                Are you actually autistic? Did you lack parental figures growing up? Why do you think it's immoral to value your children above yourself and others? This stance of yours is so fucking baffling.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because other people are also people and they are not inherently less valuable than you and your fucking kids. It is animal behavior, nothing but preserving your genes, survival of the fittest.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Every other person on the planet is less valuable to me than myself, EXCEPT my children. Welcome to the real world.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron-tier behavior.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Have kids and find out.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >family ties are strong
                >met Luke for 5 minutes

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not about Luke.
                It's about fatherhood.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's lizard brain animal tier thinking.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah welcome to Star Wars.
                Vader wanted kids.
                Wanted to be a father.
                He didnt care what Luke's character was.
                Even if he couldnt immediately tell through the force.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm so sorry you had a bad family life, anon, but don't take out your anger at your own father on the message of this movie. There is nothing wrong about prioritizing your family, especially if prioritizing your family also enables you to do greater good (Vader's love for Luke made him willing to sacrifice himself to kill the Emperor which helped the whole galaxy).

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >There is nothing wrong about prioritizing your family
              But it is selfish. How is his son different from thousands of sons Vader had murdered? How is he different from people who loved and cared for him, but whom he decided to murder anyway?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because there was a step he wasn't willing to take, which proves there was at least that little bit of good in him, which even he didn't think was there.
                It's a story for kids, man. This isn't difficult.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's dumb. You all make it sound as if it's ok to be an asshole to other people, as long as you don't do it to dem kidz. Why should I be convinced that Vader was truly redeemed? That he atoned for his actions? He got off scot-free into death and becoming a force ghost, he did not even have to answer for his shit before anyone.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because Star Wars is black and white. Either you're good, or you're evil, and an evil person wouldn't spare the life of an innocent, if it meant relinquishing their own power.
                Take it up with Jesus or something. I don't know, man.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mean part of the theme of Star Wars is Christian redemption, if Vader repents for his sins then he goes to Jedi heaven. It’s pretty black and white

                >captcha: HARAM

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                > if Vader repents for his sins then he goes to Jedi heaven.
                But he must serve his term in Purgatorio first.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if Vader repents for his sins then he goes to Jedi heaven
                And not only does he verbally repent, he takes it into action by sacrificing his own life to kill his evil master and save his son's life as well as help rid the galaxy of evil. It's even more substantive than the idea of simply praying your sins away.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                But the Rebels would have destroyed the Death Star anyway. He didn't save anyone, except Luke. The Emperor would have died regardless. The events in the Throne Room were disconnected from the rest of the narrative.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The Emperor would have died regardless.
                There's no guarantee of that. Had the Emperor killed Luke and not been thrown down that shaft into oblivion he could very well have escaped on a shuttle. After all, Luke literally did just that while dragging Vader's heavy robotic body from the throne room to the nearest docking bay. Palpatine would have had plenty of time to escape and that would mean his influence carrying on and the Empire not being defeated.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sacrificing his own life to save his son was selfLESS, anon, not to mention that what you so flippantly and callously label as being "selfish" is not inherently a bad thing. There is NOTHING WRONG with prioritizing the health and well-being of your own family. Everyone sets priorities, and it makes the most sense to place those closest to you highest on the list.

                But he could connect. Find his lost son... or his ex-wife, or something. Why did they have to kill him? He could become good. Instead, he was robbed of that possibility.

                Palpatine showed no such signs of conflict within his mind. He reveled in everything he did. Vader was trapped in his situation and resigned to his fate until Luke came to show him he could still have a chance at doing something good.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It is selfish, and it is bad. Luke is not inherently more valuable than any other person in the Galaxy, whom Vader killed. And for a franchise that preaches selflessness and letting go, "blood is thicker than water" is utter garbo selfish message that goes completely against everything that retard Lucas preached for.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >What's the message of Star Wars then? Fuck over everyone else in the world, no matter how much they love and care about you, but don't fuck over your children?
        No, what you described is simply what Anakin/Vader DID, that's not a message, it's just a character's actions. The MESSAGE is that no one is beyond redemption as long as they can connect with something wholesome and good in their lives. For Anakin, that was his family ties to Luke.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The MESSAGE is that no one is beyond redemption
          Except Palpatine, of course. If only they could connect with someone... How sad.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Palpatine isn't beyond redemption, if he were to ever choose redemption.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Palpatine is the exact reason I added in the part about connecting with something good in your life. Good job cutting it out of the quote to misrepresent my entire argument. Yes, Palpatine was beyond redemption and that's why he was justifiably killed for the greater good.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              But he could connect. Find his lost son... or his ex-wife, or something. Why did they have to kill him? He could become good. Instead, he was robbed of that possibility.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Palpatine isn't necessarily beyond redemption, though his role in the story is to represent absolute evil, so in Vader's place Palpatine would have killed his own son.
              He could be redeemed, he just wont ever be, because that's not what his character exists for.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Vader was full of conflict and continued being evil because he believed he was too far gone and there was no other path. When Vader is given a real chance at redemption and he has to choose between his son or the dark side, he chooses his son.

            Sheev is incapable of redemption because he's evil and he fucking loves it. He loves seeking power for its own sake, he loves hurting people, he loves dominating others.

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    unironically because they are related.
    >the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
    Isn't the whole reason he came to the dark side because he despised how repressed the jedi order is and because of his personal relationships? Hell the whole concept of "blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" is a jedi thing.

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because being a father was the very core of what Vader wanted.
    All his father figures abandoned him and fucked him over.
    He wanted to do right by his son.

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obi-Wan was a fucking dick

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Star Wars is Gnostic. Sheev is Saturn.

  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Use the Force, Pete

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    you are putting way more thought into this than those involved did. at some point, you have to ask yourself why you bother.

  29. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Darth Vader is gay and he looks like a penis.

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