Why was Darth Vader so affected by Luke when he knew Obi-Wan way longer?
Don't say it's because they're related.
>the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
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Why was Darth Vader so affected by Luke when he knew Obi-Wan way longer?
Don't say it's because they're related.
>the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
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Blood related
that shit doesn't matter, he knew him for all of like 3 years, he knew almost his entire life
Obi-Wan tried redeeming Vader and his response was just pure rage.
Obi-Wan did a shitty job of it besides Vader was still seething about their last encounter
>pure rage
have you literally not watched ep 3 or obi wan?
vader is torn and conflicted the entire time
all he needed is a big enough push to break him
He never tries to reason with him, he yells out in fury, he delights in turn to the dark side.
There's none of that with Luke. He even says "It's too late for me, son" in RotJ. Did he just get old and tired? It's never explained.
>making them duel again and shitting all over A New Hope
frick producers demanding mindless fan service
He tries to negotiate with Obi-Wan before the Mustafar fight. He's also crying for some reason after slaughtering the trade federation or whatever.
I always just assumed Vader was an Imperialistic crackhead who was tempted by the dark side of the Whills of the Force (for some reason?) and became addicted. So when he's on that downward slope where he's not high and thinking about his life, he's just in "Pain. Terrible pain."
But I guess he's space Jesus or something instead, and his entire purpose was to throw clone Sheev down a galactic ventilation shaft so Rey could became the Last/all Jedi and melt the real(?) Palps with his own lightning again, except now her powers have doubled since Mace Windu.
I don't fricking know. None of this matters. Shit is moronic. Lucas is just a goober who likes to build models.
obi wan show isn't canon, he wanted luke to kill vader he thought there was no redeeming him.
>obi wan show isn't canon, he wanted luke to kill vader he thought there was no redeeming him.
None of that conflicts with the Kenobi show, though. In fact, the end of that show depicts Obi-Wan accepting the fact that Anakin is gone. He literally said, "Then my friend is truly dead" or something on those lines. So yeah, after that he would want Luke to just kill Vader and put him out of his misery.
Revenge of the Sith already did that, in a somehow less moronic fashion.
>Unsheathes his saber first; I will do what I must
>You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.
Didn't need some rock concert between the two to establish that feeling that already existed. I guess it's not that it conflicts, it's just recycled material, done worse, for a monetary payoff.
Not to imply that the Prequels weren't that also.
Yeah, they even set up the meme of Obi-Wan calling him "Darth" to his face in the original movie, which didn't mean anything then, but now it's been reinterpreted to mean that Obi-Wan considered Anakin well and truly dead by that point, which works well enough.
So then why does "Darth" reference Anakin's time as a padawan/apprentice and his relationship with Obi-Wan in general? Why does Darth Vader even care about fighting Obi-Wan beyond getting some old wizard off his space orb?
Oh yeah, because Vader and Anakin aren't separate characters, and nothing Lucas or Disney writes ever made or will make sense.
What are you talking about? Obi-Wan considers Anakin dead, but he's mistaken. That's the story.
if you ever have sex and start a family you will understand, a father will always have an instinctual care for his son because it's the perpetuation of his genes, it's biologically wired into us.
where's the narrative in that
Luke was his son
Because of Padme I guess. Also Vader was willing to kill Luke before he sacrificed himself to Sheev. It was the act of sacrificing himself to save his father that let him redeem himself. It's sort of Christlike.
because he hated Obi-Wan
because obiwan was a filthy space limey and today is america's day
Vader spent years imagining the child he killed
Blood is thicker than water, everyone knows that.
It's no one else's fault that you're a moronic piece of homosexual shit.
I mean, his parents
>was never genuinely loyal to the emperor and was basically his battered wife
>feels someone as strong in the force as he is and maybe the force itself is compelling him to collaborate with Luke for divine/prophetic reasons
>thinks he has a possible shot at turning Luke and killing the emperor with him to rule the galaxy together
>blames Obi-wan and the Jedi council for letting him become a darkshitter and disfiguring him
Because Luke was his son. Did you forget the reason why he eventurned to the dark side in the first place op?
It’s because they’re related. Luke is a mirror of Anakin, a hotheaded one handed Jedi prodigy who happens to be an ace pilot. Luke is also the product of himself and Padme, the person that Vader turned to the dark side for in the first place. ESB and ROTJ Vader is constantly fighting between his robot hate boner for his Jedi son, and trying to be a terrible father figure by teaming up to kill Sheev.
It doesn't matter that they're related, he didn't even know Luke existed until a couple years ago, they barely had any connection besides sharing DNA, which is a stupid choice if that's what drove the narrative.
Autism
You dont have kids so you have no idea what youre talking about.
>muh blood
Vader tried to kill Luke in Episode 4 and cut his hand in Episode 5. What a great father.
Vader thought for 19 years that he’d killed the woman he loved and threw away everything for, as well as his unborn child. Luke represents an opportunity to bury the past for good or to correct the mistakes he made before. It’s not just the blood relation, as he was fairly flippant about Leia it seems. Luke is a mirror of Anakin, and it’s no surprise that Vader became fixated on him.
Go be fair he only knew about his daughter in his last few minutes, using her to bait luke. Not sure if he even knew it was Leia
Wasn't the implication that he was reading Luke's mind? Pretty sure Luke would have been thinking of her by name.
Whatever, this shit is written for children by a child.
>It doesn't matter that they're related
based moron
>when you have a child you'll understand
Unfortunately for you, no woman will have your children, so you won't ever understand.
Unironically you have autism.
moron inbred frick
I don't think he ever had any intention of killing Luke. He was toying with him in ESB and only slices off his hand because he got pissed when Luke surprised him by actually landing a hit. He could've easily killed him earlier if he really wanted to imo.
I’m under the impression he would have killed Luke in ROTJ, just because Sheev was there. Agree with the ESB duel though
Whoa, such poetry....
You’d think he would invest in a helmet that can’t get cut open as easily
Why did they give him fricking eyebrows in rebels
the physical therapy was good at the time
If you're not memeing he originally had eyebrows but Lucas CGI'd them out for no apparently reason.
Maybe the dude just had eyebrows.
Intense bacta treatment.
deh 😀
the eyebrows really do ruin it, based Lucas getting rid of them
It makes me sad that I share this board with zoomers that have never seen the unaltered OT
I have, just couldn't remember. Once you see the special edition enough it replaces things
I literally have not watched the special editions since 2004
why the frick would anyone who knows the difference subject themselves to that shit is beyond me
Online, most images used are from SE.
Black person, unless you watched A New Hope in the original run, it was altered.
Even the name A New Hope, is an aleration.
It was just Star Wars before that.
There were multiple different theatrical releases too
This box set is the only canon version I will accept. It was remastered enough, in the right ways, with no major SE-tier alterations. After this box set they made the Special Editions and then it was all a shitshow from then on.
to anons who have gone completely bald/do the full head shave:
do you shave your eyebrows? why/why not?
>do you shave your eyebrows? why/why not?
I've seen someone who got his eyebrows shaved while passed out drunk. He looked strange until the eyebrows grew back.
Always keep your eyebrows. A person without eyebrows looks like a soulless inhuman automaton.
God I hate that they did this in rebels and in kenobi. They also use the exact same SFX from return of the Jedi of him running out of breath. OMG ITS ANAKIN UNDER THERE GUYS, SO SAD!!!
OT purists will tell you with a straight face that this scene was better with these stupid fricking eyebrows
>OT purists will tell you with a straight face that this scene was better with these stupid fricking eyebrows
It was better.
Also, Sebastian Shaw >>>> Child Murderer
>Don't say it's because they're related.
>>the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
christian cope jargon isnt proof
>can choke anyone out with his mind
>gets in unnecessary sword fights instead
I'm surprised he wasn't more shocked by Reva. Even if he was indifferent to murdering Younglings, the fact that she betrayed him must have meant way more than Obi-Wan (who he turned against and tried to kill twice).
Really interested to see where they go with her.
Questionable bait
I'd rather they do something interesting with a new character than keep REMEMBER TARKIN???ing old characters.
Never got into Clone Wars but I remember hating Ahsoka. Now people like her, along with some of the named clones.
Reva's backstory is fine on paper.
The rest of the world doesn't hate Reva, you pathetic incel
Does anyone know if Order 66/Mustafar/pic related is in the LEGO Skywalker Saga game?
I know the Anakin v. Obi-Wan lightsaber duel is, but I want to see LEGO Anakin get his limbs cut off and cooked.
Because Padme let Vader frick her.
>the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
Idk where you're trying to go with this. It's obviously because Luke is his son and he feels guilt for everything he has done.
I mean damn dude it's fricking Star Wars there isn't really that much room for debate
>be evil for 3 movies
>suddenly regrets everything out of nepotism
Vader hated himself more than anyone in the universe, but he loved Padme.
Luke (and Leia) was all that was left of Padme, so he was the only one who could bring him back to the light and redeem him. Anyone else would have reminded Vader of Anakin and could only make him angrier.
And Luke and Padme don't remind him of Anakin?
That's moronic.
How does leia remember her mother
Obi-Wan taught Leia how to become a Whill Wraith
because George is moronic and forgot that Leia had memories of her biological mother, and the only rationalization anyone has tried to provide since 2005 is Obiwan telling Leia briefly about her mother in the TV series
Obi-Wan crippled him and Vader probably hate blame him for everything that happened in Ep. 3. So no matter how Obi-Wan would try to redeem Vader it's still going to be not enough. Luke was his son so he felt that there can be a new beginning for him.
It's because they were related. Killing his own son was the line he couldn't cross. What's not to get about that?
What does it make of Star Wars then?
He killed shit ton of innocents, murdered children, choked his pregnant wife, attempted to kill his teacher and a brother, attempted to kill his student and a sister, was complicit in genocides, terrorized the galaxy for 20 years, but nooooooo, not my baby Luke? The guy he knew for what? How long did he even know him for? Like one week? What's the message of Star Wars then? Frick over everyone else in the world, no matter how much they love and care about you, but don't frick over your children? Shit message.
Because it's his son. It sounds like you just have some personal problem with the idea of people valuing their own children above all other people (which most people do, believe it or not).
Yeah, because it's selfish and there is nothing good about it, certainly nothing that warrants his redemption and becoming a force ghost.
No, allowing Luke to die to save his own life would have been selfish. The fact that he wouldn't do that proved that there was that little bit of good in him, that even he didn't know was there, and in that moment he renounced the dark side.
But he would never do that for someone else. Only for *his* son. Not for anyone else's son or daughter. Only because it happened to be his son, who was worthy of saving. It is selfish because he was protecting his bloodline and his genes.
Yes, because family ties are stronger. It took the notion of doing that most extreme of things to get him to walk back from the dark side.
An no, a truly evil person will kill their own child. There's no shortage of them. There's no rule that evil people can't kill their own kids because "muh biology".
>because family ties are stronger.
But this is terrible. How are Anakin's friends supposed to feel, whom he murdered? How does everyone else supposed to feel? What a garbage motivation.
No one cares that you have a moral disagreement with the idea of family ties (like a commie). This is what happens in the story.
Are you actually autistic? Did you lack parental figures growing up? Why do you think it's immoral to value your children above yourself and others? This stance of yours is so fricking baffling.
Because other people are also people and they are not inherently less valuable than you and your fricking kids. It is animal behavior, nothing but preserving your genes, survival of the fittest.
Every other person on the planet is less valuable to me than myself, EXCEPT my children. Welcome to the real world.
Black person-tier behavior.
Have kids and find out.
>family ties are strong
>met Luke for 5 minutes
It's not about Luke.
It's about fatherhood.
That's lizard brain animal tier thinking.
Yeah welcome to Star Wars.
Vader wanted kids.
Wanted to be a father.
He didnt care what Luke's character was.
Even if he couldnt immediately tell through the force.
I'm so sorry you had a bad family life, anon, but don't take out your anger at your own father on the message of this movie. There is nothing wrong about prioritizing your family, especially if prioritizing your family also enables you to do greater good (Vader's love for Luke made him willing to sacrifice himself to kill the Emperor which helped the whole galaxy).
>There is nothing wrong about prioritizing your family
But it is selfish. How is his son different from thousands of sons Vader had murdered? How is he different from people who loved and cared for him, but whom he decided to murder anyway?
Because there was a step he wasn't willing to take, which proves there was at least that little bit of good in him, which even he didn't think was there.
It's a story for kids, man. This isn't difficult.
It's dumb. You all make it sound as if it's ok to be an butthole to other people, as long as you don't do it to dem kidz. Why should I be convinced that Vader was truly redeemed? That he atoned for his actions? He got off scot-free into death and becoming a force ghost, he did not even have to answer for his shit before anyone.
Because Star Wars is black and white. Either you're good, or you're evil, and an evil person wouldn't spare the life of an innocent, if it meant relinquishing their own power.
Take it up with Jesus or something. I don't know, man.
I mean part of the theme of Star Wars is Christian redemption, if Vader repents for his sins then he goes to Jedi heaven. It’s pretty black and white
>captcha: HARAM
> if Vader repents for his sins then he goes to Jedi heaven.
But he must serve his term in Purgatorio first.
>if Vader repents for his sins then he goes to Jedi heaven
And not only does he verbally repent, he takes it into action by sacrificing his own life to kill his evil master and save his son's life as well as help rid the galaxy of evil. It's even more substantive than the idea of simply praying your sins away.
But the Rebels would have destroyed the Death Star anyway. He didn't save anyone, except Luke. The Emperor would have died regardless. The events in the Throne Room were disconnected from the rest of the narrative.
>The Emperor would have died regardless.
There's no guarantee of that. Had the Emperor killed Luke and not been thrown down that shaft into oblivion he could very well have escaped on a shuttle. After all, Luke literally did just that while dragging Vader's heavy robotic body from the throne room to the nearest docking bay. Palpatine would have had plenty of time to escape and that would mean his influence carrying on and the Empire not being defeated.
Sacrificing his own life to save his son was selfLESS, anon, not to mention that what you so flippantly and callously label as being "selfish" is not inherently a bad thing. There is NOTHING WRONG with prioritizing the health and well-being of your own family. Everyone sets priorities, and it makes the most sense to place those closest to you highest on the list.
Palpatine showed no such signs of conflict within his mind. He reveled in everything he did. Vader was trapped in his situation and resigned to his fate until Luke came to show him he could still have a chance at doing something good.
It is selfish, and it is bad. Luke is not inherently more valuable than any other person in the Galaxy, whom Vader killed. And for a franchise that preaches selflessness and letting go, "blood is thicker than water" is utter garbo selfish message that goes completely against everything that moron Lucas preached for.
>What's the message of Star Wars then? Frick over everyone else in the world, no matter how much they love and care about you, but don't frick over your children?
No, what you described is simply what Anakin/Vader DID, that's not a message, it's just a character's actions. The MESSAGE is that no one is beyond redemption as long as they can connect with something wholesome and good in their lives. For Anakin, that was his family ties to Luke.
>The MESSAGE is that no one is beyond redemption
Except Palpatine, of course. If only they could connect with someone... How sad.
Palpatine isn't beyond redemption, if he were to ever choose redemption.
Palpatine is the exact reason I added in the part about connecting with something good in your life. Good job cutting it out of the quote to misrepresent my entire argument. Yes, Palpatine was beyond redemption and that's why he was justifiably killed for the greater good.
But he could connect. Find his lost son... or his ex-wife, or something. Why did they have to kill him? He could become good. Instead, he was robbed of that possibility.
Palpatine isn't necessarily beyond redemption, though his role in the story is to represent absolute evil, so in Vader's place Palpatine would have killed his own son.
He could be redeemed, he just wont ever be, because that's not what his character exists for.
Vader was full of conflict and continued being evil because he believed he was too far gone and there was no other path. When Vader is given a real chance at redemption and he has to choose between his son or the dark side, he chooses his son.
Sheev is incapable of redemption because he's evil and he fricking loves it. He loves seeking power for its own sake, he loves hurting people, he loves dominating others.
unironically because they are related.
>the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb
Isn't the whole reason he came to the dark side because he despised how repressed the jedi order is and because of his personal relationships? Hell the whole concept of "blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" is a jedi thing.
Because being a father was the very core of what Vader wanted.
All his father figures abandoned him and fricked him over.
He wanted to do right by his son.
Obi-Wan was a fricking dick
Star Wars is Gnostic. Sheev is Saturn.
>Use the Force, Pete
you are putting way more thought into this than those involved did. at some point, you have to ask yourself why you bother.
Darth Vader is gay and he looks like a penis.