Put yourself into his position. He went peacefully to sleep and then gets woken up by something annoying the shit out of him for no reason. It would be like going to sleep really tired and exhausted from a long day and then you get woken up by a fly constantly buzzing around your face and your ears.
Imagine if you woke up 1000 years from now and some ugly ridiculous looking hypermutts start speaking strained ebonics at you claiming to be a successors of America and worthy of everything you could possibly have to offer.
>imagine you eat on your bed >imagine your bed gets full of ants >you know its your fault, but you do not explaint it to the ants, you just kill them. >now imagine you sacrifice someone like you,someeone you consider an equal, for a greater good. >but instead of something good, you accidentally create wienerroaches
all this and you are not even near to understand the level of rage and disgust he was feeling.
If a fly woke me up and started talking to me, I wouldn't ape out and kill it. I would be gathering as much info from it as I could. I'd want to know how it could talk, if it was really a fly, where it came from, what its purpose was, what its ideas about the world are, etc. I'd be talking to it for hours. But you're telling me this super advanced gigachad alien decided to just ape out and kill them instead? After being asleep for so long and not knowing when or where the frick he was?
If a fly woke me up and started talking to me, I wouldn't ape out and kill it. I would be gathering as much info from it as I could. I'd want to know how it could talk, if it was really a fly, where it came from, what its purpose was, what its ideas about the world are, etc. I'd be talking to it for hours. But you're telling me this super advanced gigachad alien decided to just ape out and kill them instead? After being asleep for so long and not knowing when or where the frick he was?
before all of that let's have him a nice cup of coffee...
Imagine if you woke up 1000 years from now and some ugly ridiculous looking hypermutts start speaking strained ebonics at you claiming to be a successors of America and worthy of everything you could possibly have to offer.
>imagine you eat on your bed >imagine your bed gets full of ants >you know its your fault, but you do not explaint it to the ants, you just kill them. >now imagine you sacrifice someone like you,someeone you consider an equal, for a greater good. >but instead of something good, you accidentally create wienerroaches
all this and you are not even near to understand the level of rage and disgust he was feeling.
>ummm you see, this movie is a MASTERPIECE but ummmm, you need to read the original script to GET IT and ummmm you need to use your imagination >no its not laziness, it's just that this MOVIE can only be enjoyed in one specified way! >YES IF COURSE IT ALSO COUNT AS KINO AGHASWGSJGKGJKGG
no one says that
most people agree that both prometheus and Covenant are shit movies that destroyed what was left of the Alien franchise and that Ridley is a senile hack.
it's all on the deleted scenes. Look it up.
Basically Weyland claimed to be a god for creating David, and that he deserved immortality for such an accomplishment. He said "we are the same" to the engineer, who then examines David and realizes it's artificial life, meaning that humans already became self-entitled motherfrickers and see themselves as gods even though they haven't created shit and instead are selfish and deluded, so the engineer gets mad and fricks them up.
Ridley messed up on this one specially. That scene would have explained a lot more.
Basically this. He was very upset that humans were now creating life and were selfish c**ts and decided to finish the job they were planning on doing 2000 years eailer. Those Edelstein scenes completely change the fricking show.
I do not claim to be an expert. Watched this ages ago. But here's what I remember. The engineers perfected bioengineering. And after they got done perfecting themselves they created a weapon, the xenomorphs. The earth was seeded with life to grow and create fodder to test out their new weapon. But something went wrong and the xenomorphs were never deployed. Millenniums pass and their genetically inferior test subjects found one of their creators who never gave a frick about them. Woke him up and learned that he continues to not give a frick about them.
Head canon: Life Seeder Druids believe in reincarnation and do so according to some prophecy; Xenosuit 'Engineers' have hybridized themselves with attenuated Black Goo in pursuit of physical immortality, and don't like non-Engineer/Druid race competition, actively cleansing sentients with potential to rival them. Birddog in the Fresco is their Phoenix, and something that in the past was able to process the Black Goo into life extension elixer -- the attempt to synthesize it once they went extinct lead to the Xenomorph effect. The Druids on the other hand seed life in the hopes that the Birddog will arise again through chance eventually, and distrust the Engineers' technocratic pursuits which created the Xenomorph problem to begin with -- at the same time, the Engineers view Humanity as an abomination that will seek to use the Black Goo against them if given half a chance, "no gods, no masters". David would end up on a humanoid planet and become The Devil, their "god of this world" manipulating it in his image with just that intent, and/or subordinating them to synthetics like himself; he ruthlessly accelerates their development through war, eugenics, and all the rest into a facsimile of Earth history radically compressed.
they apparently were unable to reproduce and found some alien that allowed them to reproduce perfect copies of themselves on a planetary scale by via drinking it’s blood, this alien was on the mural in Prometheus. When the blood ran out and the alien died, they began creating artificial blood but it led to a lot of bad reproductions. Humans, for example, were a shitty copy of the engineers. The planet that David went to and destroyed, planet 4, was a “good” copy, where they are more in harmony and at peace and were going to be rolled into the fold of engineers at some point. The engineers tried to guide humans (like they successfully did to the aliens on planet 4) in the right direction, to stop being stupid but they failed and we just seemed like violent monkeys and they were going to wipe us out as a failed experiment but there was technical difficulty that prevented it, the alien was released on their own ship, which you saw in the holograms in Prometheus. Apparently between that point and Prometheus, the main engineer population became “beings of pure energy”, they let the beings they created decide their own destiny, and passed into another dimension or something, the engineer in Prometheus was basically lost in another time period. David destroyed the better copies of the engineers because he felt superior to both humans and the engineers and wanted to take revenge against them for killing his creator and trying to destroy him and earth. Then he began to resent the humans because they were also copies of the engineers. He viewed the alien as perfect because it destroyed both of his enemies, I’m assuming.
it had the potential to be a great sci fi movie but the characters are so badly developed, we get it, wayland is a dick, this point doesn't need to be shoved down our throat like that, shawn's reaction in that scene is also off-puting...
the makeup used on old wayland is ridiculous...
and the way they shoved in the alien...
the whole thing is a mess
the background for the movie:
the design of the engineer comes from sumerian depictions.
?t=1345 > 12:57 all comes from Mesopotamian material, it's preserved in Enoch and it leaks its way into the New Testament, the importance of Enoch is because it preserves the original context for Genesis 6:1
Abraham is a gentile born in Ur(sumer) >Genesis 11:31 Terah took his son Abram... and together they set out from Ur to go to Canaan....
Well if I was the Engineer in question I would come up with all sorts of ways to incorporate them into my schemes on my off-world Black Goo Mesa bio-weapon factory.
Engineers saw artificial life as taboo and worthy of annihilation. We can infer from the films that they saw death as some kind of holy thing which is why he was infuriated when an android making homosexual begged him to save him from death.
We killed their prophet (Jesus). So they decided to kill us all, but they fricked up and were mostly all killed by the squid/aliens except for the ones sleeping in cryo-sleep.
So you wake this homie up and he realizes its 2000 years later and its time to finish the job.
>We killed their prophet (Jesus). So they decided to kill us all, but they fricked up and were mostly all killed by the squid/aliens except for the ones sleeping in cryo-sleep.
lol frick Ridley Scott for trying to force this plot line onto us. Thankfully the CCP threatened to ban it for being insensitive to Christians which is why the story element was removed.
>lol frick Ridley Scott for trying to force this plot line onto us. Thankfully the CCP threatened to ban it for being insensitive to Christians which is why the story element was removed.
The engineer looks at her wearing the cross in the final cut, its canon moron.
I know it's "canon" I just think it's fricking stupid and I'm glad that China forced Scott to remove it from the rest of the movie. It's so fricking dumb and just reeks of 00s era fedora tipping.
it's up to your interpretation bro. you might not like open-ended mystery box cinema where dumb shit happens and you as the viewer have to rationalize it ex post facto or read a comic or something, but it needs you to seed it just like black goo.
on another note, look into how many projects ridley scott has dedicated to and then abandoned. dozens. look up a random book you like, ridley scott was probably attached to an adaptation at some point. he's a dumb prostitute who probably has dementia. the wrong kid died between him and tony
>be engineer surfing space >sacrife yourself to create life >go to sleep >wake up hundreds of years after >mutts buzzing around you >look that I created life too >It's a stupid machine >Reeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Imagine the founding fathers waking up in Murica today
Put yourself into his position. He went peacefully to sleep and then gets woken up by something annoying the shit out of him for no reason. It would be like going to sleep really tired and exhausted from a long day and then you get woken up by a fly constantly buzzing around your face and your ears.
Why are you guys so racist...
Stop being a homosexual
If a fly woke me up and started talking to me, I wouldn't ape out and kill it. I would be gathering as much info from it as I could. I'd want to know how it could talk, if it was really a fly, where it came from, what its purpose was, what its ideas about the world are, etc. I'd be talking to it for hours. But you're telling me this super advanced gigachad alien decided to just ape out and kill them instead? After being asleep for so long and not knowing when or where the frick he was?
Admiringly the analogy doesn’t work if you’re a lonely loser who literally talks to anything
To him it doesn't matter, he's been through that shit before. You'd actually just be an annoyance. (In this hypothetical)
Yeah... Alien's prequels are just bad, no brain was involved in their conception.
Did you create the fly ?
the fly created him. time is recursive. what was the Promethan is now man, what was the engineer is now Alien. aliens is man. time is a flat circle.
before all of that let's have him a nice cup of coffee...
Bald
Imagine if you woke up 1000 years from now and some ugly ridiculous looking hypermutts start speaking strained ebonics at you claiming to be a successors of America and worthy of everything you could possibly have to offer.
But that happens every day right now
>imagine you eat on your bed
>imagine your bed gets full of ants
>you know its your fault, but you do not explaint it to the ants, you just kill them.
>now imagine you sacrifice someone like you,someeone you consider an equal, for a greater good.
>but instead of something good, you accidentally create wienerroaches
all this and you are not even near to understand the level of rage and disgust he was feeling.
Wait so we’re ants and the aliens are wienerroaches?
It's just what happens in those mythological structures. Man trying to approach godliness, to overcome the natural limitations of man, gets beat down.
Having to be forced to look at inferior human trash pissed him off
The script has all of his dialogue. BASICALLY
>ummm you see, this movie is a MASTERPIECE but ummmm, you need to read the original script to GET IT and ummmm you need to use your imagination
>no its not laziness, it's just that this MOVIE can only be enjoyed in one specified way!
>YES IF COURSE IT ALSO COUNT AS KINO AGHASWGSJGKGJKGG
no one says that
most people agree that both prometheus and Covenant are shit movies that destroyed what was left of the Alien franchise and that Ridley is a senile hack.
I would like him to be my husband and have him alternate between loving me and treating me with disgust
The creators aren’t our friends yo
it's all on the deleted scenes. Look it up.
Basically Weyland claimed to be a god for creating David, and that he deserved immortality for such an accomplishment. He said "we are the same" to the engineer, who then examines David and realizes it's artificial life, meaning that humans already became self-entitled motherfrickers and see themselves as gods even though they haven't created shit and instead are selfish and deluded, so the engineer gets mad and fricks them up.
Ridley messed up on this one specially. That scene would have explained a lot more.
that part I actually got right away, since it was the android in particular that set him off
Basically this. He was very upset that humans were now creating life and were selfish c**ts and decided to finish the job they were planning on doing 2000 years eailer. Those Edelstein scenes completely change the fricking show.
Thank god you were paying attention. I was too angry at this movie at this point
I watched this film in the cinema high as frick and immediately understood why he went apeshit. What kind of moron didnt understand Prometheus?
Humans forsook the biology (in the form of David) the engineers sacrificed themselves to give them
I do not claim to be an expert. Watched this ages ago. But here's what I remember. The engineers perfected bioengineering. And after they got done perfecting themselves they created a weapon, the xenomorphs. The earth was seeded with life to grow and create fodder to test out their new weapon. But something went wrong and the xenomorphs were never deployed. Millenniums pass and their genetically inferior test subjects found one of their creators who never gave a frick about them. Woke him up and learned that he continues to not give a frick about them.
you need to rewatch it again mate
Head canon: Life Seeder Druids believe in reincarnation and do so according to some prophecy; Xenosuit 'Engineers' have hybridized themselves with attenuated Black Goo in pursuit of physical immortality, and don't like non-Engineer/Druid race competition, actively cleansing sentients with potential to rival them. Birddog in the Fresco is their Phoenix, and something that in the past was able to process the Black Goo into life extension elixer -- the attempt to synthesize it once they went extinct lead to the Xenomorph effect. The Druids on the other hand seed life in the hopes that the Birddog will arise again through chance eventually, and distrust the Engineers' technocratic pursuits which created the Xenomorph problem to begin with -- at the same time, the Engineers view Humanity as an abomination that will seek to use the Black Goo against them if given half a chance, "no gods, no masters". David would end up on a humanoid planet and become The Devil, their "god of this world" manipulating it in his image with just that intent, and/or subordinating them to synthetics like himself; he ruthlessly accelerates their development through war, eugenics, and all the rest into a facsimile of Earth history radically compressed.
What about Life Sucker Druids?
they apparently were unable to reproduce and found some alien that allowed them to reproduce perfect copies of themselves on a planetary scale by via drinking it’s blood, this alien was on the mural in Prometheus. When the blood ran out and the alien died, they began creating artificial blood but it led to a lot of bad reproductions. Humans, for example, were a shitty copy of the engineers. The planet that David went to and destroyed, planet 4, was a “good” copy, where they are more in harmony and at peace and were going to be rolled into the fold of engineers at some point. The engineers tried to guide humans (like they successfully did to the aliens on planet 4) in the right direction, to stop being stupid but they failed and we just seemed like violent monkeys and they were going to wipe us out as a failed experiment but there was technical difficulty that prevented it, the alien was released on their own ship, which you saw in the holograms in Prometheus. Apparently between that point and Prometheus, the main engineer population became “beings of pure energy”, they let the beings they created decide their own destiny, and passed into another dimension or something, the engineer in Prometheus was basically lost in another time period. David destroyed the better copies of the engineers because he felt superior to both humans and the engineers and wanted to take revenge against them for killing his creator and trying to destroy him and earth. Then he began to resent the humans because they were also copies of the engineers. He viewed the alien as perfect because it destroyed both of his enemies, I’m assuming.
>the main engineer population became “beings of pure energy”
Wut?
They achieved ultimate racism.
because he was written by damon lindelof
>Why was he so fricking mad
Because he was white, whites just wake up on a bad mood and decide to genocide other races to release steam
it had the potential to be a great sci fi movie but the characters are so badly developed, we get it, wayland is a dick, this point doesn't need to be shoved down our throat like that, shawn's reaction in that scene is also off-puting...
the makeup used on old wayland is ridiculous...
and the way they shoved in the alien...
the whole thing is a mess
the background for the movie:
the design of the engineer comes from sumerian depictions.
?t=1345
> 12:57 all comes from Mesopotamian material, it's preserved in Enoch and it leaks its way into the New Testament, the importance of Enoch is because it preserves the original context for Genesis 6:1
Abraham is a gentile born in Ur(sumer)
>Genesis 11:31 Terah took his son Abram... and together they set out from Ur to go to Canaan....
My buddy played the guy that melts himself into the body of water at the beginning of the movie. both went to UF
Thats cool bro, any stories?
Imagine you just woke up from hypersleep and a bunch of Warwick Davises were standing around asking you dumbass questions.
Well if I was the Engineer in question I would come up with all sorts of ways to incorporate them into my schemes on my off-world Black Goo Mesa bio-weapon factory.
i would go fricking berserk
Ok how I get it.
Engineers saw artificial life as taboo and worthy of annihilation. We can infer from the films that they saw death as some kind of holy thing which is why he was infuriated when an android making homosexual begged him to save him from death.
We killed the saviour of mankind that they had sent to save us from destruction, Adolf Hitler
Cope.
>words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words
cope you leftist moron. Bet you were educated in a leftist charter school so you can't fricking read.
Hot off the presses at the secret meme factory?
>can't read a meme that has less than 50 words
lol why are liberals like this?
Shadilay, fellow memezr
God damn, this movie has the most insufferable and stupid fans.
Because they killed jesus
morons.
We killed their prophet (Jesus). So they decided to kill us all, but they fricked up and were mostly all killed by the squid/aliens except for the ones sleeping in cryo-sleep.
So you wake this homie up and he realizes its 2000 years later and its time to finish the job.
>We killed their prophet (Jesus). So they decided to kill us all, but they fricked up and were mostly all killed by the squid/aliens except for the ones sleeping in cryo-sleep.
lol frick Ridley Scott for trying to force this plot line onto us. Thankfully the CCP threatened to ban it for being insensitive to Christians which is why the story element was removed.
>lol frick Ridley Scott for trying to force this plot line onto us. Thankfully the CCP threatened to ban it for being insensitive to Christians which is why the story element was removed.
The engineer looks at her wearing the cross in the final cut, its canon moron.
I know it's "canon" I just think it's fricking stupid and I'm glad that China forced Scott to remove it from the rest of the movie. It's so fricking dumb and just reeks of 00s era fedora tipping.
Because Weyland refused to accept death as an integral part of life.
Imagine being woken up by the blackest gorilla moron "people" imaginable. That's how engineers feel about homosexual fricking shit sapiens.
>AYO
>smacks lips
>I IS WANTIN' TO LIVE FOREVUH AND SHIT
He had a little accidental doo doo in his suit when he woke up and started killing people so they wouldn't the smell and find out he made a poopy.
cuz he was taking a fricking nap
Lanklet rage
it's up to your interpretation bro. you might not like open-ended mystery box cinema where dumb shit happens and you as the viewer have to rationalize it ex post facto or read a comic or something, but it needs you to seed it just like black goo.
on another note, look into how many projects ridley scott has dedicated to and then abandoned. dozens. look up a random book you like, ridley scott was probably attached to an adaptation at some point. he's a dumb prostitute who probably has dementia. the wrong kid died between him and tony
What if he started making out with them instead? A coomer engineer.
he was a slasher villain
because ridley's autism made the movie slightly shit
>be engineer surfing space
>sacrife yourself to create life
>go to sleep
>wake up hundreds of years after
>mutts buzzing around you
>look that I created life too
>It's a stupid machine
>Reeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Imagine the founding fathers waking up in Murica today
>Imagine the founding fathers waking up in Murica today
that's a great analogy
Because the monkeys went gay
He understood the dangers of AI.
That was also my understanding. They probably had some sort of Butlerian Jihad event and went full biotech.
>Why was he so fricking mad
IKTF.
Try living in Poland for 5 minutes while not being a brainlet and you'd get it.
To me, only Alien und Aliens are canon and the rest doesn't exist, can be thrown into the Queen's ass or simply said non-canon.
you never got woken up before the alarm went off?