I don’t know, he’s still stronger than Goku
Stronger than Saitama
Stronger than Madocka
Stronger than Naruto
Stronger than Jojo
Stronger than Shinji’s gay robots, Ash’s gay Pokémon creatures, Yugioh’s gay cards
Stronger than the strongest anime characters ever
Stronger than Goku
Is he weaker than post crisis Superman? Byrne power fricked him to point he needed to wear oxygen in space. He gets slapped around a lot in the triangle era and eventually even killed.
Bruce especially went way too far, to the point where he barely feels super at all. He was getting knocked around by fire from an attack helicopter and struggling to lift a space fighter that Spider-man probably could've handled. Golden Age Superman was running laps around him a few issues into the first Action Comics run. I'm sympathetic to the idea that a writer might want to tone him down (even if I personally think that's the wrong way to approach characters like that), but there's a point where it doesn't feel like the character anymore.
I generally think that's just an excuse, anyway. While the show turned out really good in the end, I get the sense that Timm was apologizing for the fact that he was writing Superman the whole way through.
What makes him super is the fact he keeps getting up, he always wins by taking a beating until he gets the hang of his opponent and fights back, almost no one is strong enough to actually harm him
That's really not unique to Superman, that's most heroes, in every medium, in every era.
>almost no one is strong enough to actually harm him
That's really not the case. And while I can only speak for myself, I don't read/watch Superman to see a guy with generally unremarkable abilities except for his disproportionate durability.
So he didn't end an episode in two minutes, I've always found it amusing, even as a child, that it's almost always electricity in JL / JLU that incapacitates Superman / WW / MM.
Besides they nail his characterization as far as I'm concerned and he does get quite a few moments of doing cool stuff.
I get making Supes weak in live action since that would be aimed at an older audience who might find some of his ability too childish also it would be too expensive to show it on a normal budget
but on a cartoon? I really don't get the decision.
Darkseid was merged with Brainiac's remnants at the time, and that seemed to have amped his powers pretty considerably and gave him some new tricks. Presumably, the Agony Matrix was one of them. It's still pretty moronic that Timm just had to have Superman job in what was supposed to be his moment of triumph at the very end of the story, though.
He meant he doesn't usually go full 100% out of reflex not that he's normally operating at .000000000001 percent power you battle board dipshit. He's not faking getting hurt.
girls love johhny
Someone's gettin' cancelled
It was a different time.
The proportions of that picture are giving me a headache.
Because people already b***h about him being too strong.
In his own show? It's because see
In JLU? Some people headcanon that he had kryptonite poisoning which also caused those cheekbone lines on his face during the first two seasons
Those damn cheekbones...
Did make him old.
I don’t know, he’s still stronger than Goku
Stronger than Saitama
Stronger than Madocka
Stronger than Naruto
Stronger than Jojo
Stronger than Shinji’s gay robots, Ash’s gay Pokémon creatures, Yugioh’s gay cards
Stronger than the strongest anime characters ever
Stronger than Goku
Is he weaker than post crisis Superman? Byrne power fricked him to point he needed to wear oxygen in space. He gets slapped around a lot in the triangle era and eventually even killed.
Bryne and Bruce toned down the powerset to make the show more entertaining and the threats more believable.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I dig it.
Bruce especially went way too far, to the point where he barely feels super at all. He was getting knocked around by fire from an attack helicopter and struggling to lift a space fighter that Spider-man probably could've handled. Golden Age Superman was running laps around him a few issues into the first Action Comics run. I'm sympathetic to the idea that a writer might want to tone him down (even if I personally think that's the wrong way to approach characters like that), but there's a point where it doesn't feel like the character anymore.
I generally think that's just an excuse, anyway. While the show turned out really good in the end, I get the sense that Timm was apologizing for the fact that he was writing Superman the whole way through.
What makes him super is the fact he keeps getting up, he always wins by taking a beating until he gets the hang of his opponent and fights back, almost no one is strong enough to actually harm him
That's really not unique to Superman, that's most heroes, in every medium, in every era.
>almost no one is strong enough to actually harm him
That's really not the case. And while I can only speak for myself, I don't read/watch Superman to see a guy with generally unremarkable abilities except for his disproportionate durability.
So he didn't end an episode in two minutes, I've always found it amusing, even as a child, that it's almost always electricity in JL / JLU that incapacitates Superman / WW / MM.
Besides they nail his characterization as far as I'm concerned and he does get quite a few moments of doing cool stuff.
Invincible heroes are boring
Every villain that wasn't just a massive army had direct counters to him.
I get making Supes weak in live action since that would be aimed at an older audience who might find some of his ability too childish also it would be too expensive to show it on a normal budget
but on a cartoon? I really don't get the decision.
because its hot seeing him get beat up
Come on you shitposting homosexual, they explain it in the DCAU quite well.
>immediately jobs to the agony matrix in the next scene
lol
I wonder why he never used it before the last 1-2 times they fought?
He kept forgetting it. But that's a stupid question, these things run on plot, not logic.
Darkseid was merged with Brainiac's remnants at the time, and that seemed to have amped his powers pretty considerably and gave him some new tricks. Presumably, the Agony Matrix was one of them. It's still pretty moronic that Timm just had to have Superman job in what was supposed to be his moment of triumph at the very end of the story, though.
When superman attacked darkseid on the league station they almost knocked it out of orbit throwing punches.
He meant he doesn't usually go full 100% out of reflex not that he's normally operating at .000000000001 percent power you battle board dipshit. He's not faking getting hurt.
Bruce Timm shoot hates Superman.
Because he's written by weak people who can't bear the real-world implications of a living god on Earth, because they're eleutheromaniacs.