Why was it so bad?
>have buck rogers
>make ad astra out of it
how can someone miss the point this hard?
White guilt agenda pushing. They should have just made a fun Sci fi adventure for kids inspired by the old 2d cartoon show.
It shouldn't've have been attacked to Buzz lightyear at all. I thought it was serviceable as its own thing, just tweak the characters and be upfront about what kind of story it was. When I hear Lightyear, I think of the TV series which was pretty action driven.
It wasn't really a serviceable movie.
The action scene locations were absolutely generic and used badly.
They took an unrelated script and threw buzz lightyear at it. They spent more time getting the diversity right than the basic plot.
It would have been better, but the entire third act and beyond were trash.
Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic made a bad video on it calling it woke trash so normalfags end up not watching it
I'm not sure who the fuck those are, but I doubt they're reaching millions of normalfags.
The marketable cat robot was ironically the best part of the film. It was kind of astounding how much effort was put into making every other character boring and uninspired.
I bet the cat robot didn't need 300 extra DEI meetings.
>I thought it was serviceable as its own thing
It really wasn't. It was boring as sin with or without the brand name.
It was a movie nobody wanted and just screamed "soulless cash grab"
Because it's not picrel
Why couldn't we have a Woody western comedy tv show?
be the change you want in life.
Nu-Pixar REALLY wants to recreate subversive morals like the ones in Ratatouille/Incredibles/Inside out and Up, so they create these twisted and plots that sound deep on paper but are shallow as a puddle when put in execution. These epic "it did not end like i wanted, but is also good i guess" stuff in shit like turning red, soul, elemental and onward
They could help themselves into making just, you know, just a campy astronaut movie.
Ironically, they would be the most subversive by making a film full of sincerity. In the age of post modernist subversive and sarcastic quip filled want, being sincere is considered a revolutionary act.
All pixar movies kinda have the same formula now
>MC: I REALLY want something
>Other character: Humm... You sound a little obsessed with what you want!
>MC: You don't get it! I REALLY want it!
>Other character: Oh! Ok... I support you!
>MC: Well... I didn't get what i wanted! But other character made me realize what i really needed!
>Then they release a shitty sequel years later that has nothing to do with it
Even fucking Cars 3 was like that
Not exactly a new formula anon considering you could apply it to Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Hercules, etc
Aladdin got what he wanted, though. A hot arab princess on his dick. Ariel got hot prince cock, Hercules... I forget what he wanted but I think it involved being a hero? He definitely did that.
Being a God again and return to Olympus.
Hercules wanted to be a hero so he could be with his god family again, but ultimately gave it up to be with Meg.
how does that apply to little mermaid?
Yeah there's this weird obsession with making characters coming to terms with the disappointment of reality, like the writers just got done watching some quirky indie film.
Also lots of overly-specific generational trauma instead of simple but universal parent-child conflict.
Soul is not like that, ge got what he wanted. He was just not thinking big enough.
>Pixar movies are now copium for the Millennials they promised could have the moon as kids.
How is the moral of ratatouille subversive?
>Not everyone can be a great chef but a great chef could come from anyone
Seems rather straightforward to me, greatness can come from unassuming places and rules have exceptions
There is an implication of "not everyone can do something" which can be seen as not inclusive
I don't disagree with the movie but this is what our current society is
Completely retcons everything before.
Marketed as ”the movie Andy watched” in the early 90s when the writing and aesthetics are obviously a product of the 2020s
The aesthetics are pure Gears of War, very aughts
He probably means for non-zoophiles
That was such a retarded angle. I think their implication was that it was from the 80’s and that it was so tonally unlike the toy he got because that was from a reboot? When you have to invent lore to excuse your fuckups, maybe you should’ve done something different to begine with?
Even if that's the angle how the fuck are we supposed to believe they omitted the talking robot cat mascot from the marketable cartoony iteration the toy is directly based on?
Look what they did to Slimer. Do you really think they could resist exploiting the cat?
Disney fatigue. People dont want to watch Disneyshit by default. When was the last time Disney actually made anything good?
Do you mean Moana. God, what an overrated and pozzed garbage was Zootopia.
>ESL hates it
the message was to treat people like you equally, what's wrong?
I thought the message was Chad is useless until a woman bitches at him.
nagger, what? Seriously, meds, now.
We know Buzz Lightyear as a space ranger who travels the galaxy and fights aliens.
Did this movie have any of that? No. They're just stuck on a drab, ugly planet all day. It's like making Duke Nukem, but it focuses on him doing boring paperwork all day.
>It's like making Duke Nukem, but it focuses on him doing boring paperwork all day.
still would've been better than forever
The Buzz Lightyear cartoon series was great and should've been the foundation for the movie. Unfortunately, Disney threw the series in the trash and decided on doing whatever Lightyear was.
Yeah, it's dumb that they already have a good established property to work with and don't bother. What an absolute waste.
Guess they figured it was only fair to trash their own property after doing the same to St*r W*rs.
Because they’re stuck on one planet for the entire movie
more like Kikequeer
Making a campy fun retrofuturist 1950s sci-fi toy (literally a fucking TOY) into a dreary, gray Christopher Nolan slog was retarded.
also if you're going to do chris nolan, you need to be smart enough to pull it off. This wasn't smart enough for nolan.
Buzz looked weird as fuck
Doesn't feel like a Toy Story movie.
Women made decisions
It's bad because it's bad, that's all there is to it
Not even the "random script with Buzz Lightyear on it" does it any favors because the entire cast and plot are just nothing
>It's bad because it's bad, that's all there is to it
Incels will try to interject their politics into it, but the movie is inherently flawed and removing any perceived "woke" material would make no difference.
It's all so tiresome.
They made boring ass melodrama out of what's supposed to be an 80s-90s scifi adventure like star wars
Because no one cares about an origin story for Toy from another movie
There is nothing exciting or interesting about the plot or characters.
Even the interesting idea of Buzz essentially voluntarily skipping chunks of his life is treated like it's no big deal which makes the character feel incredibly detached from everything.
The big reveal at the end just made me feel like neither path was really a "bad" one so there were no stakes. Ether Buzz accepts the current time line and everything that comes with it, or he creates a new timeline which would inevitably lead to it's own lives, stories and events unfolding into different ways. Nether is really a bad thing.
They should have axed the plot irrelevant lesbian couple and had the black chick be his fiancee or something, and then had the reveal be that Zurg was his kid, trying to achieve his father's dreams for him because he grew up being told that all that hardship of not having a father was worth it and felt like the community was wasting both he AND his father's sacrifices, which creates a simple and actually fairly unique motivation as Buzz realizes his obsession has destroyed the life of a son he barely got to interact with, not because he "let him down" but because that son had such love and faith in him that it turned twisted and rabid against those around him.
That would have been good, at least kind of explained where the joke of Zurg being his dad came from in a fun way beyond a Star Wars reference, and it would have elevated this shit movie from garbage where none of the characters matter to below average with at least something that you might feel things about.
Honestly I thought this character was gonna be Zurg.
>The Commander replaces Alicia as the head of Star Command.
>Star Command is not what it used to be. It's colder and less idealistic, unwilling to take risks.
>It's everything Alicia stood against.
>The Commander doesn't approve of Lightyear because he's the last bastion of a bygone era.
>He says that Lightyear is a threat to a shrinking Star Command... but he thinks that Lightyear is a threat to his authority.
>Lightyear's escape into the future drives him over the edge with fury and paranoia- the Commander wants to exert his power and prove that Star Command is unshakable.
>He militarizes the base so nobody can escape. He has the fleet produce bigger, faster, stronger technology- laser guns, weaponized mechs.
>Star Command is no longer about peaceful exploration and scientific progress, it's about conquest and authority.
>To prolong his life and his rule, he develops a cybernetic suit of armor like the knights of old.
>When Lightyear returns, Star Command is unrecognizable. It's been hijacked by Commander Zurg, hell-bent on control and domination.
>His motivation has been lost to time- fueled solely by hatred and betrayal.
>When Lightyear returns, he stumbles upon three escapees from Zurg's prison camps. They're not the greatest fighters... but they're the only hope he's got.
It's no "campy Flash Gordon," but if they really wanted to keep the "hard sci-fi" route, I think a dystopian sci-fi pitch would've been a little cooler than what we got.
How is this infinitely better than the slop they gave us?
>copying a villain from a motherfucking Lego movie part 2
i think Lego Movie 2's twist with Rex as obvious as it was was genuinely well done, i thought it really hammered home the idea that a idiot hero like Emmett who's not really talented but is the heart matters, you take that heart away and you have nothing.
It is funny that this incredibly mediocre is better than Light-year in pretty much every way.
Was Buzz originally written as being like a borderline despondent, socially closed off PTSD victim, and they ended up having to soften him up during production? Cause that's the only way a lot of the decision making with the plot makes any sense.
i think the drab and depressing trend is social conditioning, like get used to it sheeple, no pulpy fun and fancy free space adventures, life isn't "fun" it's depressing, get it?
cynical, unwanted spin-off of an IP that was already run into the ground
has no explicable connection to toy story without contrived retcons
upset boomers by casting chris evans instead of tim allen
gay kiss put many people off of watching it with its mere presence, but was also so subtle that many people didn't notice it, pleasing no one and accomplishing nothing
the basic idea (buzz lightyear origin story) could've worked if it was done several years earlier (pre-toy story 4) and with more effort
>Black woman is gay to check two
ESG boxes at once.
Did she steal Lightyear's sperm?
It really wasn't though? I rather liked it. We never get straight sci-fi in animated movies these days.
How, dude? I went In with neutral expectations cause I love the starship designs but the sci-fi elements are so week. It suddenly goes from hard sci-fi time dilation for a bulk of the movie to throwing it all away with the Zurg twist which is running on Back to the Future magic time travel logic.
Also no character gets to breath or shine.
Based for speaking your mind even if your opinion is FACTUALLY incorrect
I pisses me off that Lightyear is one of the few big studio american animated movies to not fit in the box of what those movies usually are. It being shit means that they won't try something like this any soon.
If you had told me in 2002 that we'd get a Buzz Lightyear movie with black lesbians I would have thought that was a SNL sketch.
people actually watched this trash? they put a huge red flag on the poster and in all the advertising
You can't have positive male role
models for little boys anymore.
They made it shit on purpose.
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