Why was it so hated?
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because it wasn't very good, and the first one is one of the best movies ever made
how the frick did they cut and prepare perfectly good logs for the traps?
they didnt have chainsaw knives from fricking Hot Shots
>a dense jungle isn't going to have logs lying around
if 2 isn't very good, everything that came after is literally blasphemy (including off course the last one with the fat, outta shape b***h)
Predator>Predators>Predator 2>>>AVP>AVP2
>because it wasn't very good, and the first one is one of the best movies ever made
Predator 2 is better in most ways than Predator 1.
-Better Script
-More interesting location.
-More interesting variety of scene locations.
-Better action scenes
-More interesting characters, with more depth to the characters.
-Better back story to the Predator legend.
Predator 1 basically competes with more charismatic characters, and comfy 80s action cheeziness.
The second is freaking good too, WTF?
Black lead
>hating on danny glover
I'm too old for this shit since these double Black folk are too young
its your fault boomer. you let Black of the leash and now when people are unhappy you blame them, frick off to africa and you can take you pet darkie with you
>Black cop in LA
Realism mattered
Standards were way higher back then. Sequels were also thought of completely differently than they are now.
Yeah a sequel back in the day seemed design to introduce new elements or play around with things not explored in the original. Now there are no "sequels" so much as a shitload of moronic spinoffs/reboots/extended universe bullshit and nothing is ever looked at objectively on its own terms thanks to Marvel bullshit.
No, back then sequels were generally low-effort money grabs where they'd have a relative lower the budget and be guaranteed a short-term return based on the name. Worst example of this mentality is probably Starship Troopers.
It was obviously at the expense of the long-term value of the IP, which annoyed me no end.
MCU first phases were great in that they showed that was moronic mentality, and they were throwing away literal billions by not building on the original. Ironically they have reverted to doing the same shit now just on a larger scale, by thinking they can just coast on the name and good will that was built up at the expense of the whole MCU.
Makes me wonder if the short-term bean counters weren't right in the first place and you should just extract maximum bang for your buck and move on to something else as quickly as possible.
>Standards were way higher back then
I watched it on release and no one hate it back then
it isn't
This. It’s different setting with different characters with different lives. It’s not die hard commando soldiers in the jungle with mini guns. It’s a good movie.
I like how over the top the drug dealers are. Also why the frick would there be jamacians in LA kek
It was a ripped from the headlines kind of thing
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-01-03-mn-46-story.html
It was an abrupt departure from the first. It didn't have Arnold and it was set in a city. But time has proven it to be Kino. Of da highest ordah
no it wasnt
>predator 1 predator hunts the deadliest creatures in the jungle
>predator 2 predator hunts the deadliest creatures in the concrete jungle
it was a natural follow up
That's is being deliberately disingenuous. The plot structure and story telling and plot beats are all very different. Its a different genre even
lmao drop the yt critic nonsense drivel you candy ass Black person homosexual
Shit 'appens
It's not. It's kino and a fine sequel that's not just the exact same thing again.
Not being the same as the original is the very least you should expect from a sequel. That doesn't mean the goofy sequel is good.
It's literally the second best predator movie and started all the aliens vs predator comics and games which were awesome.
Second-best Predator movie isn't saying much, and as much as I love the premise, most AvP games are garbage.
>started all the aliens vs predator comics and games
It is not a good thing at all. I checked few comics and they were cheap and ugly and just shitty.
And in general AvP crossover is dumb, it should not go anywhere beyond a fanfic, may be a shooter game, but that's it.
But as Alien was ruined a long time ago, I have to admit, I don't give a frick really what's next to both.
You would think but a lot of sequels to genre movies were generally just repeating plot beats from the first movie with minor alterations.
Predator 2 isn't a great movie, but its interesting in how it totally changes the type of protagonist, the setting, the whole feel of the movie. It completely went against expectations and set the tone for the franchise being anthology based from there on out.
Danny Glover is still very proud of this movie. He said he was at his physical peak and acted like an alpha male during shooting. And it's not a fricking Christmas movie if you want that adressed.
it was never hated.
It was never hated, agreed. It was just never liked as much as the first, for obvious reasons. Still a great film though. Sweaty, dirty, and mean.
It isn't. Prey was hated by non-morons and it's already forgotten 3 months later; Predator 2 continues to get threads 3 decades after its release.
Because the first one was much better
>>Tony Pope, live with Hard Core.
>>On the scene and in your face, it's like Dante's Hell down here.
, fire, oppressive heat.
>>As Columbian and Jamaican drug fiends once again transform the streets of L.A. into a slaughterhouse!
>>Who the hell's in charge down here?
>>The cops?
>>Uh-uh!
>>They're outmanned, outgunned, and incompetent!
>>Mr. Mayor, on vacation at your home in Lake Tahoe: Get off your butt, get down here, and declare martial law!
Dunno, it's a pretty good action movie. That said, I think that the backlash to the original criticism which now claims that it is a great movie might also be a bit off the mark. It's a good action movie but there's some stuff that is kinda cheesy. Like, why can the Predator survive multiple shotgun shots to the chest if the original one got killed by getting crushed by a log? Why does the Predator get up close to Harrigan at the end even though it knows that Harrigan is dangerous cause Harrigan cut its hand off earlier? And why does the Predator keep refusing to kill Harrigan, anyway, even though it has multiple opportunities to do it easily? I get the honor code and everything but it's not like the Predator does anything to set up a noble 1-on-1 fight against Harrigan.
All this is not to say that the original Predator movie is perfect, of course. That movie has some questionable parts too, like for example why do all the humans not immediately shoot the Predator when it gets caught in that net? Is it that they just didn't expect it to be invisible?
Midwit nitpicks are the worst
You're the worst
nitpicking is fun and this is a natural place for it
>Like, why can the Predator survive multiple shotgun shots to the chest if the original one got killed by getting crushed by a log?
The predators wear body armor.
In case you are unaware, body armor, even regular human body armor, can routinely stop bullets, but if a person gets hit by a car while wearing the body armor, the person wearing the body armor will still die or get extremely hurt.
It’s a mass issue, involving physics.
Was it hated? I remember loving it from the start, renting it and watching it with my brother and my dad
Same here. Caught bits and pieces of it on TV, but we rented it from Red Giraffe and watched it with my uncle. Had a blast.
It was never hated. It just kinda went under the radar. I only rented the first one because I was obsessed with Arnold as kid. I don't know if the first Predator movie was big at the time. It was just a rental to me.
Danny Glover was great as a leading man. It was just, you know, unconventional.
Part of me feels like Danny Glover took on the role because he was tired of watching Mel Gibson getting to do all the crazy shit in Lethal Weapon and was like "I wanna do some of that"
I remember seeing it the week it came out, and this post is correct.
I always loved it, but it just kind of came and went quickly in a year that was absolutely STACKED movie wise
>It was never hated. It just kinda went under the radar. I only rented the first one because I was obsessed with Arnold as kid. I don't know if the first Predator movie was big at the time. It was just a rental to me.
I saw Predator 2 before I saw Predator 1.
It used to show on HBO, or some other premium cable channel.
I finally watched Predator 1, and while I liked it, 2 was better.
I love it almost as much as the first one. The crazy setting is great, imagine if "Los Angeles" existed in real life, how horrific that would be.
Ice-T lives in LA. So it will always be the coolest city.
it's boring and weird
It has an interesting concept (Predator in a city) but the voodoo gang shit and the super duper secret government agency that wants to capture the Predator are dumb additions to the story. Outside of Danny Glover, the characters are all unlikable. The action is nowhere near as good as the first movie. The Predator design isn't as good, although the inclusion of new weapons was nice. The music is about as bland as can be. The end fight between Danny Glover and the Predator is pretty lame. It was simply put a massive downgrade from the first movie. On its own, it's a very mediocre action movie and people who overrate it do so out of contrarianism.
Delicious bait.
No fricking way
The Predator plasma canon spams so much in the first one. Not to say that's a bad thing since it's the first conceptualization of the Predator, but the City Hunter in 2 is far more fleshed out. We get introduced to his combistick, net gun, smart disc, spear gun, etc. as well as species lore. Plus way more on-screen Predator time.
It does everything a sequel is supposed to do. People mostly seethe because Arnold isnt in it and it's in LA not a jungle.
Gary busey Maria conchita Gonzalez bill Paxton alongside Danny glover and let's not forget the kickass Colombian execution scene with king willies rastas getting butchered and the scene on the train.
>>want some candy?
>Fricking VooDoo Magic mon!
Also that shootout with the cops in the beginning when the drug guys go back inside to reload and do a bunch of coke so kino.
Shit 'appens
The voodoo shit was great, I dont care what anyone says.
it's called The Great Filter
It wasn't hated, just not as loved as the first one. You're thinking of Robocop 2 or Alien 3. Those were hated. Well, if Robocop 2 even existed it would be.
all kinos
I was never that invested in the 'Alien' movies. First one was boring and long. Second one kinda eluded me (But it's called the perfect action movie). And I liked the third one. Resurrection I went to see in the theaters. I liked it. My dad had a thing for Sigourney Weaver, so that's how I watched them. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered. I watched 'Prometheus' in the theater too. And the sequel. They were both shit.
Robocop 2 is good. Alien 3 is fine. I'm sorry if the unlubricated truth is painful to you.
Robocop 2 is mediocre and Alien 3 is bad.
Predator 2 is goog tho
Robocop 2 is bad as superman IV
Glover was seriously miscast, he was supposed the 'every-day cop' and just manages to defeat the Predator, but Glover moves and acts like a 65 year old man and I could never buy it. I could see someone like Ed Harris being a better 'every-day cop but believeable to take down a fricking predator'
But he was getting too old for this shit
Yeah that was the problem too, Glover was still in his Lethal Weapon character mindset, he was "only" 44 at the time
Glover has the right attitude for the role but he was already unironically too old to keep doing this action movie shit. It's just too unbelievable that he's running around chasing after the Predator and beating him in close quarters combat. Arnold got his ass kicked and lucked out that his trap worked.
The genuinely funny thing is Glover *wasn't* old at the time and in interviews he's talked about how he thought he was in such good shape at the time it made him feel like the worlds biggest badass
In the shape of his life and he's still lumbering sweaty guy
he was ripped tho
plot point
it was a heat wave
predators like high temp andthey hunt in the hot summers/zones
nothing beyond p2 is canon
jesus that clip pretty much explains why predator 2 is just OK better than any amount of text could
I wonder what actor in history can give the best impression of being an everyday person like peak Glover could, while also actually being able to give the impression that he's seriously dangerous and not a clown in action moments
Isn't that the Die Hard formula? Charismatic comedy TV actor gets a visceral action role, seems like he could really kill people. And that came out 2 years before Predator 2.
That's more on the director/editor going with that take/shot/angle
Nah, while I agree a more clever director could've saved that shot (moving the camera with Glovers actions perhaps) the actor sucked ass the whole movie. Glover simply apes around too much. He just sucked.
Arnold sucked at running, he looked clusmy as hell in a few scenes in Commando for instance.
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It works in Commando because that movie is stupid, in Predator Arnold compensates for his clumsiness by not running or jumping around, instead he moves with a purpose, displaying his physicality.
Everday actors that could act as a threat to the Predator more than Danny Glover did:
Samuel Jackson
John Travolta
Vondie Curtis-Hall
Nick Nolte
Michael Ironside
Klaus Kinski
Ben Kingsley
Rodney Dangerfield
Robert Duvall
Miguel Ferrer
Ray Wise
Kurtwood Smith
the list cool have 1000 of names...
>Samuel Jackson
maybe
>John Travolta
no
>Vondie Curtis-Hall
mostly interchangeable with glover
>Nick Nolte
true, good choice
>Michael Ironside
maybe, but he'd be more fit for a villain
>Klaus Kinski
In a hollywood movie? kek
>Ben Kingsley
no
>Rodney Dangerfield
no
>Miguel Ferrer
no
>Ray Wise
>Kurtwood Smith
both of them would work better as villains
>Dangerfield
People hadn't conceived of how much worse it would get.
People had no concept of what bad big budget movies were back then.
Why was everyone sweating profusely in this movie?
it was hot, but apparently the air conditioning stopped working in every part of the city
Blackouts in socal were even more normal then.
there weren't blackouts in the movie, nice try though
>people who were familiar with an experience couldn't transpose that idea to a film
Hi zoomie.
cause predators come only when everyone is sweaty
It was the height of the global warming scare. See also Falling down and a few other kinos from that era
falling down is shit lol, but i dont remember anything about global warming in it
Everybody was hot and sweaty in that movie too, it was partly the reason why he snapped in the beginning, being stuck in that traffic jam baking in the sun and his cars aircon wasn't working
thats true, i guess i just never connected it with the global warming craze. I thought it was just a hot day
it didn't have anything to do with global warming. It gets hot as frick in L.A. during summer, always has.
Smoothbrain, it was a common theme at the time. Nothing to do with the plot
They were trying to set up some kind of visual/aesthetic connection to Predator 1, and they settled on "sweaty men"
Yeah the 90s was obsessed with global warming, it was the main theme for that Charlie Sheen movie Arrival where it turned out to be aliens warming the planet to suit them
heat wave.
I liked the part with breasts and vag when I was a kid.
Being good but not as good as the original means it was hated and people rated it far lower than it deserved.
Same thing happened to The Lost World. Both got vindicated later on.
neither have been vindicated, they're both still crap. Later sequels being worse doesn't make the previous sequels better.
lost world was dumb and had loads of shit characters doing things like killing raptors using gymnastics
It's like one token complaint that means nothing for the overall movie. It's a nitpick. It's 7/10 dinosaur movie with lots of good qualities.
Oh I get it, they're in an URBAN jungle. Very clever.
The predator appearing before King Willy scene was kino
They found a real dead body in that alley while shooting that scene.
It had peak busey, for whatever that is worth.
>He's on Safari. The lions, the tigers, the bears... oh my!
it's a shame his character does frick all except show up to yell at Danny Glover then gets killed like a b***h in two seconds
It's not as good as the original but I still like it
Danny Glover is boring and not cool enough, that's it. He gets a pass because the movie around him was well done but he ruined the potential for a crazy sequel with a more exciting actor. They actually wanted Steven Seagal though so maybe it wasnt meant to be, My fanfic casting pick is Kurt Russell
>They actually wanted Steven Seagal
I'd have been rooting for the Predator
Predator 2 with Bruce Willis in the timeline where Die Hard didn't happen
Seagal would have been kino
Predator in the jungle > predator in the city
Predator in the jungle seems so naturally, Predator in some old couples apartment bathroom seems really out of place
its great
it was? I liked it. especially the scene where he spares the woman because she is pregnant.
never hated, just didn't impress anyone. also the premise is dumb sci-fi and only worth one movie, get fricked comic book and toy morons
Used to play back to back with the first movie on TV in the 90s. Coming from the first movie straight into a brutal gang shootout is so hype as a kid you don't give a frick.
I liked it. But yeah, it's not the first movie.
I love the way Bill Paxton's character is introduced as a loud mouthed blowhard but eventually demonstrates that he's more than that.
>Bill Paxton
The only person killed by a Terminator AND a Xenomorph AND a Predator
Probably because no Arnold. Never watched it (predator 1 neither)
Reminder that we were robbed of seagal kino
>In an interview with Howard Gorman (via Bloody Disgusting) for Predator 2's 30th Anniversary, director Stephen Hopkins talked about almost casting Seagal in the sequel. Apparently, Seagal really wanted the role and invited Hopkins over to his house to talk about the movie. Hopkins explained that it was one of the strangest experiences of his life, with Seagal showing off his gun collection and offering to launch grenades with the director.
>“I had to go and have a meeting at his house. Which was one of the craziest afternoons I’ve had. […] … it was a bizarre… he’s a very unusual, slightly twisted kind of guy. In the end, I couldn’t see myself doing it with him. He was desperate to do it. I went into his house and he took me into a room where all the walls were covered with guns. He told me he wanted to play a CIA-psychiatrist who was also a martial arts expert who carried a gun. He was clearly a little crazy at the time. And I was like this is different than the way we’re going so I guess we shouldn’t do it.
>“He said, ‘You know, I want you to come to my house in Santa Barbara.’ He said, ‘I’ve got a grenade launching range there, we can launch grenades together’. I said, ‘Yeah… great, we’ll do that’... Sorry, I’m not a fan of his.”
I wonder if some really hardcore director could have buck broken him out of his childish autism if he'd gotten to him early enough
Someone could've and there would've been kino.
Put him in a film with James Cameron in the chair and I think seagal has a career almost on par with Arnold
>>“He said, ‘You know, I want you to come to my house in Santa Barbara.’ He said, ‘I’ve got a grenade launching range there, we can launch grenades together’. I said, ‘Yeah… great, we’ll do that’... Sorry, I’m not a fan of his.”
God Hopkins sounds like a gay, how could you not want to use grenades?
Seagal is a great host I see. GRENADES
Critics don't matter
>critics don't matter when it's a movie I like
They don't matter period. Tons of otherwise good movies (blade runner, the thing, etc) were shat on by critics upon release.
they are pretty underwhelming and would be objectively forgotten or made fun of if they came today
people just fellate them because *director* made it X decades ago and the alternatives were lauhable
> would be objectively forgotten or made fun of if they came today
Except they aren't. Apocalypse Now, Vertigo and the Wizard of Oz were also penned.
Meanwhile, critics frequently give high praise to undeserving movies.
>Apocalypse Now, Vertigo and the Wizard of Oz were also penned.
not even the best works by the respective directors so I cant blame them there
2001 was penned too. You're just a tastelet who needs "critics" to tell him what to think.
>2001 was penned too
and for good reason
imagine DUNC part 1 being the only part until someone else decides to make part 2 after 20 years
kubrick could have easily adapted the rest of the book if he didnt include a bunch of useless shots plot wise or drag them for 10 min just to play the entire symphony while the shuttle pod scene has 0 bgm. yeah the shots looked cool but served no purpose past the first 20 seconds. the monkey segment could have been its own separate movie and it would have been kino.
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I wrote a song about King Willie. Would any anons like to hear it?
Sure, ok.
King Willie
pretty good
Thanks for listening, anon.
isn't willy jamaican not mexican?
It's about king willie not sung by king willie. It's sung from a mexican pov.
Production-wise, it looked like a TV movie or a direct-to-video. Still pretty good, though.
Nah, a direct-to-video film in the nineties would look much worse than Predator 2. Compare the adaptation of Stephen King's IT which came out in the same year.
No arnold.
It's hard to compare a old cop compared to an elite soldier.
I loved it, I think I'm the only one that prefers it to the first one.
I will say the final act goes on for way too long though, so in that sense the first has better pacing. But the first hour of Predator 2 is pure kino
nah I prefer it too, although they're pretty neck and neck
I guess I just like the city setting better
The first time I watched it when I was a kid, I thought it was pretty weak. I mean in the first one the humans are soldiers that have training and cool weapons and now we have cops and violent criminals, I was thinking "what a downgrade" but then the atmosphere and feeling got closer and closer to the first one.. and then, that scene man, it was almost too much for a young me. I think you need to have seen Alien, Aliens and Predator first for the trophy room to really hit you.
People were pissed Arnie wasn't in it, but in time it has aged like a fine wine.
the frick you saying? movie was great.
I love it
It's die hard 2 with aliens
3*
It isn't hated. It is looked at through nostalgia glasses. It basically cuts away from any kills until near the end. Predator after the 1st is really bad about this. Like they were trying to be PG-13 movies. Prey actually did this far better than most just by following through on implications of what was happening or doing gruesome shit just out of focus.
I have a Spiderman toy that sort of looks like this.
It kind of goes too long.
The movie reaches its obvious conclusion at the meat plant when the entire team dies
But it keeps going and going.
I love the movie but a lot of people get tired by then.
I liked it. It expanded the lore of the Predators. I am still waiting the comic about the pirate and the predator fighting together against aliens to be canon
Still holds up pretty well but the ending was moronic. Like, was a bunch of these predators just hanging around in this small ass ship while the one was hunting? If so, why? Not that well versed in Predator lore. And what was up with the pistol? Is it like a Chekhov's gun of the franchise?
The lore is that the preds are hunters with a supposed code of honor. Their goal is not to kill, but to prove themselves
Gary Bussey sub-plot sends the whole thing off the rails and intrudes upon the purity of Harrigan vs Predator.
I felt that the inclusion of the Bussy subplot was justified. After the events of the first film, you'd expect the government to put together a task force for responding to future pred incidents.
Yeah, as an infodump for Harrigan to understand what he’s going against, maybe. Anything more than that and it’s no longer about “hunt or be hunted”. It’s just a bunch of agents adding another distracting layer of conflict right at the time when everything is already set up for Mike to go off against the unknown force of the Predator. Not just set up the whole meat packing slaughter.
The government is also hunting. You might say they are a Predator Too/2.
Which should have been the basis for the sequel then. Where it’s a bunch of guys trying to track and hunt down something that’s picking them off one at a time in the middle of Miami/LA.
Yes, that is the plot.
it was clunky. less mystique. no arnie. no budget. ridiculous characters all over the place. and that movie was designed for me, young teen who saw the first one at the drivein. second one as fantasy-killing, i used to like to daydream stories about the predator among other stuff and predator 2 was kind of a general turnoff, and i was not hte only one: that's why they put that franchise on the shelf for , like, 20 +years
I liked it
I used to watch the sex scene and jerk off but every time I got going the jamaicans would burst in so I would have to quickly rewind it
It made me thirst after Latin women really badly for sure
I don't think it's terrible, but it's not as well-made as a film or as a story.
The predator in it acts like a spastic moron.