Why was there no anti woke backlash when this came out?
By the way, the movie fricking rocks.
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Why was there no anti woke backlash when this came out? By the way, the movie fricking rocks.
Why was there no anti woke backlash when this came out?
By the way, the movie fricking rocks.
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Because Trump didn't have power back then, only after he become president everyone become racist
Because black people in Louisiana working in a restaurant and dealing with voodoo isn’t a ridiculous concept
this. i think this came out around the time that that southern beasts movie came out. good timing
i backlashed against it. i refused to see it because of the black main character.
because it's a new original character who just happens to be black and exists in a time and place where a black character is realistic
It's actually based on the princess and the frog which is a German fairy tale.
they took the effort to change the setting enough to make it fitting and still charming
>It's actually based on the princess and the frog which is a German fairy tale.
The change of setting and characters is comprehensive and intelligent. It speaks to an artistic vision guiding the enterprise. Like the version of Coriolanus set in a modern milieu.
If they took the story of The Little Mermaid and set it off the coast of Africa, and her father isn't a European god, and she meets an African prince it would be a cohesive story and aesthetic. Just randomly race-swapping one character is soulless corpo slop "content" for cretins.
How do you know that the original cartoon wasn't set in the coast of africa?
Because she very clearly went to Prince Eric's castle which was distinctly European
Then why the underwater is clearly tropical?
>If they took the story of The Little Mermaid and set it off the coast of Africa, and her father isn't a European god, and she meets an African prince it would be a cohesive story and aesthetic. Just randomly race-swapping one character is soulless corpo slop "content" for cretins.
This is my issue with it, not that I really care because none of these movies are any good anyway, but especially with the stupid live action remakes they're not that different enough and people who WANT there to be more diversity should actually be angry when all they do is change the race of a single character just for some token representation.
They should have done it like that one HBO series where rapunzel was israeli and the seven dwarfs became de sebben dwarfs. Happily ever after was it’s name.
this but coriolanus should be black and also they should pretty much change the whole plot as well
It's very loosely based on the German fairy tale, but almost shares nothing in common. Technically, the German fairy tale is titled "The Frog Prince" so Disney changed the title as well. It's probably more accurate to say it's an original story inspired the fairy tale than an adaptation.
taking a story framework and applying it to a totally different set of circumstances is different than a raceswap - people have been making Shakespeare riffs for forever
We know that dumbass, they didnt put in germany and changed the story by a whole lot without stealing it
Yeah, but they adapted it properly. Its not a German fairy tale taking place in Germany with random black people in it that don't make any sense being there. Its in Louisiana. If someone made Hansel and Gretel but in Detroit , I'd expect it to be black people. As long it makes sense logically from a world building perspective who the frick cares?
>Hansel and Gretel:niglets in Detroit with cannibal crackhead witch
Could be kino
I wish I had Hollywood connections to turn posts from this board into kino. First I'd have to do the gender swapped Great Expectations where a NEET raises his nephew to be a gigachad who breaks women's hearts as revenge against all females.
it's based on grimm's fairy tales like lots of disney movies
Didn't it kill traditional animation because no one wanted to watch it?
Disney wanted to kill 2D animation because 3DCG was becoming more efficient. They released two movies they knew would underperform (Winnie The Pooh and Princess and the Frog) so they'd have an excuse to pull the plug.
Princess and the frog was a success though? Or does it not count as one because it got comparatively mogged by fricking Avatar despite still doing well.
It made less than what Disney had targeted. Probably didn't sell much merchandise either.
but did meet the robinsons make more money?
Sounds like some stupid ass conspiracy theory
i watched and i liked it. i would even go so far to say it rivals the classics
i know, but since i takes place in modern times instead of going for European setting which is usually what clashes for me.
An amazing villain with a great song too.
>An amazing villain with a great song too.
i just realized this is Keith David
is there anything he cant do?
Kino villain but the song itself is meh
I don't like the hellfire villain song and I don't know why it gets so much praise.
Are you deaf?
No, that was Home on the Range, but Disney had been gunning for the animation studios for years, even way back in the day. It’s kinda ironic to think that most of Disney’s animated films were failures.
Princess and the Frog was hoping to bring it back. You can see how well that turned out.
They had a series of under performing 2D movies like Atlantis and Treasure Planet too. Princess and the Frog was sort of a attempt to return to form for them by doing a princess movie, but when it didn't meet their expectations is when they gave up on 2D animation.
will i like it if i just want to feel some jazzy new orlean atmosphere
yes
Because back when this was made, people didn't have an unhealthy obsession with race. Besides, half the princesses since the early 90s had been "of color" anyway, so nobody thought anything special of it. It just made sense.
Too bad the movie was boring and she spends half of it as a frog.
>Why was there no anti woke backlash when this came out?
The premise is cohesive and has an actual artistic vision. Like how Kurosawa's Ran set King Lear in warring states Japan. It wasn't just a random, politically motivated race-swap made to attack White culture. It has obvious vision and artistic merit.
Pre-woke era. I feel pity for you zoomers who never knew it.
There has always been a blatantly anti-White streak running through Hollywood productions for decades but it just got worse and worse after 2012. Around 2008-9 the even more virulently anti-White stances of intersectional feminism and critical race theory began to be taught more and more in universities, pumping out "social justice" (lol) activists into industries since then.
Yes but it was almost entirely contained to universities. It was like a virus they were cultivating and then released it upon the world.
What's there to be mad at?
I tried to meet an online date to go see this movie when it came out but she ghosted me. I watched it alone and took the bus back home.
Ended up hitting my nose and getting knocked out and bled all over my grandfather's nice jacket that I was wearing.
When I woke up there were a bunch of people sitting in the back of the bus. Not one person was sitting in the front of the bus with me. All of them walked past me and chose to avoid me rather than check if I was okay.
I missed my stop while I was knocked out so I had to call my dad to pick me up. He tried not to laugh at me but he did a bunch.
Damn, dude.
They probably assumed you were a crackhead. Buses are for crackheads Black folk and poor people. If I got on a bus and saw some fricking idiot with a bloody nose passed out, I would assume he was on drugs and avoid him as well. You never know if waking him up is gonna trigger a frenzy where he tries to eat your face.
I figured. Didn't make it feel much better.
Sorry bro. Maybe you should forget about it though because it was 13 years ago.
Doesn't bug me much now to think about it, except that it makes me think about my life in general
2008 wasn’t 13 years ago, go frick yourself idiot.
The film came out in 2009, anon.
2009 was like 6 years ago. Don’t frick with me, seriously.
decent magical Black movie
There was no definitive version of the story then so there were no real expectations to have tarnished. It also worked with the setting and didn't just feel like something shoved randomly onto forgettable nostalgia bait.
It was consistent with the setting and had a kino villain
>mogs your Disney princess
>has more of a reason to betray Tiana than most disney characters that pose as friends
>never betrays her, and goes out of her way to help her
Why is this kind of character so rare, anymore?
Epic twists.
no idea but that alone made her 6/10 design a 9/10 character for me.
I feel like it’s just easier to write conflicts if the main character doesn’t have supportive friends. Any friends they have need to be snarky or stupid or both.
Well that is the standard, but its because shes none of those things that it makes her a breath of fresh air.
>White character
>Not portrayed negatively
Who nose why that type of character is so rare now?
>actually good
>never acknowledged again
T-thanks disney
This. It was actually good and nobody talks about it. I guess outrage generates more revenue than making a decent flick about minorities.
They're changing the whole briar rabbit ride at Disney World to Princess and the Frog instead since Song of the South is too racist.
>getting rid of zippity doo da
shiggy
I wonder some times how everyone, including myself, knows of "Zippity Doo Dah" from a movie that came out in the 40s and was never released on home media due to controversy.
Tte Princess and the Nog
The exact opposite actually, people complained about it being some "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" story which is I guess offensive to black people.
Because it's an original script adaptation a fairy tale no one gives a shit about, and it was fun, well written, and 2D animated. We wanted it to succeed to keep the 3D menace away, as this movie was basically make or break for WDAS.
Being black != being woke
I mean, she should have been white, but still
It's a matter of if you're doing to do it, adapt it properly and don't just raceswap. Now these studios and organizers are literally putting in race quoatas, like for the BAFTAs, you need actually percentages of blacks to be eligible for awards.
Back when every single movie wasn't BLACK BLACK BLACK regardless of time period or setting
Why do black people complain so much?
I honestly think part of it is because they're told to complain. If they were told from a young age to be grateful and work hard, they might not excel, but they'd achieve mediocrity.
Most people of any race are unthinking NPCs who are entirely a product of the zeitgeist.
there would have been if the antiwoke youtube ecosystem existed
Back then things were still relatively sane. The people who were complaining about this stuff like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity were all considered fringe figures who didn't represent the establishment right at the time. That's why you could make a movie like The Princess and the Frog back then without having to listen to Nazis whining about how it's white genocide, because they were relegated to far-right outlets. But now, Youtube is full of this garbage. The Internet has become a hive of propaganda and disinformation. It's literally impossible to make a movie like Princess and the Frog today because the ecosystem we're living in guarantees it will flop. It's the fricking Middle Ages.
how can a person literally be the opposite of correct this hard?
Leftoids live in a different reality than the rest of us
Maybe we should live in different countries then. Haven't you been talking about seceding?
Califronia doesnt need america
Who's "you"?
Every red state, especially Texas and Florida. We're obviously incompatible with each other, seeing as we're living in different realities, as you yourself said.
Every red state wants to secede? Where'd you hear this from?
>as you yourself said.
I'm not the anon you originally responded to, but yes I do agree with him and think leftists are delusional and living in their own reality. You aren't helping your case either.
>t.
Nice selfie.
>no u
Well-done bait.
The antiwoke youtube ecosystem didn't exist yet because wokism didn't exist yet.
Having a black Disney princess would be considered woke now.
what does woke mean? isn't the frog princess still the only disney princess that's american black
Woke just means whatever Fox News and the Wall Street Journal thinks is "literally white genocide".
Jesus, the absolute cringe. Go back to leftypol.
i'm just thinking that all the "woke" and "pozzed" tbat people here keep shouting about is just synonym to "i don't like it, but i can't say that so i need to use made up terms that i can't even define"
it's just silly. people should straight out that they didn't like the movie or tv show. no need to hide behind something or try to be something else than they are.if that makes sense
But saying you don't like something isn't conducive to pushing a political agenda. That's why everything has to be politicized now.
No, you're just ignorant. Simple as that.
why do you morons think that if these movies came out today they would be exactly the same. if this movie came out today she would be "strong and independent", not elegant
>she would be "strong and independent"
Is she not working towards opening her own restaurant?
demeanor, not literally
Very different context.
>Having a black Disney princess would be considered woke now.
When the industry is filled with obvious and vocal political activists there is no credibility or leeway to pretend that the product isn't anti-White political propaganda.
have a nice day you revisionist piece of shit
meant for
Because it's an original character/concept instead of blackwashing an older established character?
Ew.
redheads would not survive in the bayou sun
Souless
all deadass gingers need to be holocausted
Is that the fricking Frizz?
MORE FRECKLES
It's an original film.
disney decides when there is or isn't controversy
People hated on this when it came out and it flopped.
>Nice selfi-ACK!!
Ask me how I know some /misc/ Discord server got the alarm to raid this thread.
meds time.
And now they've moved on to their next tactic, gaslighting.
>Noticing patterns, are we? Clearly you're schizophrenic.
leftypol truly are the scum of the earth
Do you believe you're being gangstalked by "/pol/tards"?
It wasn't forced. Louisiana voodoo princess setting was cool. Just a good movie.
>2009
>Here's a Disney movie with a black lead
>2022
>All white people are racist, your culture is nothing more than hate and you don't deserve to have your own nations and all your culture belongs to minorities we will replace you demographically and culturally
Wow i wonder what happened and why people have no tolerance for this shit
ARE YOU READY
ARE YOU READY
because when people say "they should make original black characters instead of raceswapping" they're not shifting goal posts
the biggest problem with the little mermaid actress is her looks. black or mixed, whatever, she's just so damn ugly. She has wide set eyes, scars on her forehead, a thick chin.
ariel is an ethereal beauty, not an ugly ghetto chick.
same problem with the roastie playing galadriel; she's just no beautiful enough for the role.
Because no one cared about this and also it was unique for taking a story but actually putting the themes right
There was a bit of woke outrage due to:
>A rumor that Tiana's name was originally Maddy which sounded like Mammie
>Voodoo stereotypes
>Talk about cultural appropriation
>The Prince being made to look racially ambiguous thus enforcing colorism and the stereotype how all black women are deep down "bedwenches" with "internalized oppression" who desire the BWC
But in 2009, neither Tumblr nor Twitter big yet. And when Tumblr was big it served as a containment for all those regressive colored hair loons which was then dismissed by the majority of the left as fringe. So they mostly kept to themselves and didn't spread to the rest of the internet and dictate cultural norms. I feel it really went out of hand after the Tumblr exodus as well as DeviantArt stagnating and causing exodus.
I wish m00t learned this lesson before all the Cinemaphileirgins oozed onto other boards whining about "MUH ETHICS! THE WOKE AGENDA!"
>the stereotype how all black women are deep down "bedwenches" with "internalized oppression" who desire the BWC
Well...
the most attractive woman in his video is the white one with the fat ass though
The prince has a caucasian facial structure and dresses like a European noble, he even has a white family servant. My theory is that they originally made him white then realized even in 2009 that having their first black princess marry a rich powerful white man would rile up nig and leftoid jimmies so they copped out and made him some kind of Arab.
she has mostly white features and mannerisms
she is a white woman with brown skin
not the same as a real lived black person
but you already knew that, didnt you, you disingenuous chud?
No one like fish eyes like that no matter the race.
You know it, i know it, But because you're a simp desperately trying to lose his incel statues you cant admit it to yourself.
wonder how she would look sucking a wiener
Because wokeness is not about the characters being black or gay or strong women. Why do everybody love Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley? How about The Bride from kill Bill, Selene from Underworld, Lilo from the fifth element or Alice from RE? Why don`t people complain about Wesley Snipes Blade or speak shit of Spawn? Because wokeness is a construction, a narrative media companies control. Controversy sells (literally people twitting or making threads is free advertisement. Keeps the movie or show relevant and social issues are something everyone can discuss because it only requires an opinion) and blaming every failure on the audience being intolerant seems pretty convenient. The truth is the companies have taken a toxic attitude that heavily damages social interactions by highlighting the differences disguised as virtue for the sake of money and the one more hurt by it are the people they claim to be white knighting. Tokenism is absolutely reductive and racist. They have forsaken character development for the sake of constant political pandering focused on repeating the same ideas over and over. Lately female characters have been all about disparity and overcoming all these patriarchal rules that keep them down. Black characters problem is always racism and segregation, gay characters conflicts are always how they have had to hide who they are all their lives. Isn`t that just generic as frick? First of all isn`t there more to them? all of them than just that? And second of all what about individuality? How can you have a memorable or iconic character if you don`t give them their own unique circumstances? Contemporary media is so focused on making diverse tokens people can reflect on that they have forgotten to write the actual characters. And is even worse when they do history revisionism. Those literally distort and erase history which is essential to understand who one is.
>Thinks it's still about making money.
They'd make vastly more money by making something that isn't repellent to the majority of the audience. And they know they'd make more money. But they choose not to, because their goal of hateful demoralization is much more important to them.
>They'd make vastly more money by making something that isn't repellent to the majority of the audience.
Doesn`t matter if they hate it as long as they consume it though...
That's right, it makes these characters extremely one dimensional. There's no growth possibility, which is what makes a story interesting, watching a character grow and react. These new characters are set in stone from the beginning, and the plot is just set up as a series of obstacles that they smash down until their ideology has been forced on the world in the end. So, it's not the world changing the characters, it's the characters changing the world, or rather converting it. This is misinterpretation of the heroes journey. The hero may introduce some change to the world, but more importantly they are changed by the end, it is about their personal growth and journey. There is no lesson in these modern films and tv shows other than "Beat everyone over the head with your ideology until they are on your side, because you're special and righteous!" Gross, just gross.
I`ve even seen discussion on which they argue that the hero`s journey is a a tool of the patriarchy and should not apply to these characters so you are being generous. More than a misinterpretation i believe these "writers" point is that they know better than 2 thousand years of narrative theory. You are also correct when you say that the characters do not transform, heck i would add that the writers don`t even want to put them through the trial of fire, they just want to skip all that and jump to the part where the character should be regarded as strong. This would be a contradiction at best as a character can only properly show strength by confronting and surviving insurmountable odds and experiencing pain and lost that would break normal people. Without the trials the character can`t perform the actions that would reveal his or her strength. Political beliefs have really clouded contemporary writers professional skills.
because its an entirely new character
ARE YOU REEEADDYYY?
I haven't seen it, but swamps are fricking cool, and I like Louisiana, and Cajun food, and those cool boats and shit, so why did everyone hate this?
People don't hate it, it just didn't sell enough for daddy Disney. Keep in mind it's a commercial success.
It was fairly well liked but only a modest box office success for a major trillion dollar multinational corpo.
>$271 Million in ticket sales from a budget of $105 Million.
That's not all
For Disney and other major corporations franchise success is judged by:
>The initial number of viewers (Opening weekends usually account for the largest ticket sales for any three which except for rare cases like Frozen, Titanic, and Everything Everywhere All At Once which had better weekend box offices after the opening through word of mouth)
>And merchandise sales
Disney wants its money as fast as possible.
Can someone help me I’ve watched song of the south several times I’m not sure why it’s so taboo it’s I’m sure a bit dated in its portrayal of uncle Remus in the movie doesn’t deal with the evil of slavery but how can we ignore james baskett and the creators of the movie who were the liberals of their day black folks were still facing deep discrimination under the law
Just ignoring it like modern Disney wants doesn’t help anything
The reason there's backlash now is because everything has become overtly political, and is done not to entertain, but to push some political agenda. We are no longer making art for fun, or to blow off steam, but as propaganda to rally those who support our cause, convert those who don't (or are impressionable, like morons and children), or attack the ideals of those who oppose us. This is unhealthy, to say the least, for the long term prospects of our society, and indicates a cultural schism that could lead to kinetic action down the road. We are already seeing people commit acts of violence over cartoon pictures and stuff they read online, so the effects are already being felt. As the language becomes more divisive and more confusing due to technologies like deepfake that put our sources of information in doubt, this will only get worse.
So, the entertainment is only going to get shittier, and people are going to nitpick it more and more.
Woke propaganda wasn't being shoved down our throat nearly as much back then, everyone but the extreme Left is tired of only black people being cast in anything anymore. There's no diversity.
It was made in 2009, so that wasn't a thing yet. But also it's a race-swapped fairy tale done RIGHT. The characters and setting made sense to be black.
Because the culture war didn't start until a little after.
Because there wasn't a pre-existing superior version of it already.