Why were there so many solar farms if it was always cloudy?
Why were there so many solar farms if it was always cloudy?
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It's always cloudy, so there's a lot of solar farms.
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Solar farms like that actually kill hundreds of birds per year. But the Hollywood retards are pushing the green energy myth. We will live in a wonderful world of electric cars charged by solar and wind.
This movie is about a dystopian future you fantastically retarded motherfucker.
every sci fi movie is really about earth today , dummy.
>a few dead birds
>constant droughts, coastal flooding and heat waves
i think i prefer the first one
>constant droughts, coastal flooding and heat waves
Just 10 more years.
>10 more years a year ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Western_North_America_heat_wave
>the sunbelt is hot
Holy shit SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN RIGHT NOW
>weather is not climate
>except when it is
>not the birds!!
peoples cats kill way more birds, we should outlaw cats
bonus effect is it would make lonely women actually find a man
That thing about billions of birds a year is a gnomish myth because garden gnomes hate cats. garden gnomes relate to mice. They often portray themselves as such.
Incorrect, which is why songbirds thrive where coyotes thrive, because coyotes keep the feral cat population low, so songbirds aren't all killed.
Bird aren't real anyways
Based
more animals die for environmental damage caused by mining coal, and burning it than a few dumbshits getting hit by light and spinning blades
Oh no! Not coal. It's not like coal is used to pump out all these shitty solar panels that dont last 20 years, BY CHINA. You green fucking morons should all be shot in the head, so we can see the bullet pass clean through those empty skulls.
Not even the real problem with solar panels. The real problem is they waste tons of water and can't be fucking recycled once they're used up. Pretty funny.
Where do you guys get this propaganda? Tucker Carlson?
OP pic are not solar panels, they're mirrors, it's called concentrated solar power or somthing like that
also the energy input needed to manufacture them which comes mostly from oil.
>solar energy is bad, because it needs current energy infrastructure (which happens to sometimes be gas/oil) to be built
Are you retarded?
You gonna use electric construction equipment to dig out those heavy metals for batteries?
>You gonna use electric construction equipment to dig out those heavy metals for batteries?
You gonna use oil to use that celphone battery?
Yes actually. That's kind of how power works
You use literal crude oil in your house to power your battery?
No, I pay the people who use it to boil steam in order to turn a turbine.
Then what the fuck does your argument have to do with the solar energy industry? Being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian is a sign of bad character.
You realize they used horses to build the first railways across the world right?
Horses are more environmentally friendly than trains so your point there is kind of a false equivalence
It absolutely isnt. Shows how little you understand the problem. Look up "horse manure crisis of London".
You do realize that a city is literally environmentally destructive in the first place
imagine linking an article literally in the category of journalistic hoaxes
Just because you outsource your oil consumption to other people doesn't magically make it go away midwit
So whats your point? That the status quo negates any argument to move towards a greener energy network/system? Or is anyone who uses electricity everyday, despite calling for a greener lifestyle a hypocrite?
No, the point is that green energy is not efficient enough to pay for itself environmentally
Except that it is because however dirty you think solar, wind, hydroelectric, and nuclear are, its nothing compared to coal, gas, and oil.
Even if it somehow wasn't clean energy sources would win simply by virtue of economics. Even heavily subsidized fossil fuels simply can't compete with clean energy even when barriers are put in their way because they just cost less per MWh.
>solar, wind, hydroelectric, and nuclear
Don't lump Nuclear in with the meme energy you well-poisoning fucktard.
We could power the West for fucking pennies with nuclear but we're not allowed to because the government is too busy lining its pockets with green energy deals enabled by useful idiots like yourself who actually think solar or wind have any chance of having any positive impact.
Nuclear is the future or the fucking lights go out. End of story.
Maybe in 20 years, we can power shit with solar/wind once people get their heads out of their asses, especailly with solar. In california it takes about a gorillion dollars and a year just to get some panels on your house
>Maybe in 20 years
Great but the lights are going off in the next 10 if we don't switch to Nuclear. The writing is on the wall and everyone towing the solar/wind line is just making money for other people in the short term and shooting themselves repeatedly in the foot in the long term.
Japan is reactivating its Nuclear Reactor fleet and China is building new ones. Parts of Europe are finally seeing the light and starting to get on board too because while they can still scare people into handing over their money to the gov they are running out of time before we need an actual fucking power source, after which they will inevitably find a way to keep squeezing tax money out of the idiots who actually believe the sandwhichboard-wearing global warming doomsayers despite them being wrong about every single fucking prediction they've ever made over the past 50 years.
>global warming doomsayers
>we're not allowed to
Speak for yourself, my electricity comes from a clean nuclear power station, and more are going to be built.
However, I also get a bunch of electricity from wind, and it is a reliable and economic supplier for peak power demand.
wind isn’t a good supplier for peak demand since it’s unreliable.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
Even if that was true hundreds or thousands of birds a year is a very small number. Billions of birds die every year flying into windows, tall smoke stacks, and more than anything from being attacked by domestic cats.
Yes, since it’s fact that wind turbines do not generate power without wind.
And it’s also a fact that the wind is not consistent and predictable, and as such not reliable.
>And it’s also a fact that the wind is not consistent and predictable, and as such not reliable.
Your declaring that doesn't make it true. It may apply for a single wind turbine, but when there are enough of them like in my home state the wind is going to be blowing reliably and the turbines can adjust to produce the energy needed.
This is like saying that the sun isn't reliable because you don't know if its going to rise tomorrow.
The sun isn’t reliable, since it’s only generating power at most half of the day.
Reliable power means on demand generation.
Not to mention what happened to Texas
>invest in windmills and only windmills for years
>neglect other power generating sources
>once in a decade ice storm
>wind turbines must be shut down to prevent damage
>grid collapses due to lack of generating capacity while everyone is turning on the heater
I’m just glad that my state doesn’t have the luxury of experimenting with unreliable energy sources, so these things never really influence me.
>Not to mention what happened to Texas
Stop spreading bullshit, the failure in Texas was from improperly weatherized fossil fuel plants.
The windmills in my state survive far worse conditions without problems every year.
If Texas brought their grid up to federal standards and interconnected with the rest of the country they'd be able to buy power from better run Northern states.
>it was the thermal plants
Lol I love this lie, since I can now ask you this:
Have you ever looked at the generation reports for the day in question. Thermal plants went down to 30% capacity.
Wind went down to 0%. Roughly 30% of the generating load for the previous weeks was from wind.
No matter how you paint it, thermal lost efficiency because of lack of maintenance due to funds being strictly reserved to “renewables”.
Yet thermal STILL didn’t shit the bed as bad as wind did. If the portion of the generation that was due to wind was replaced with thermal, the grid would not have died since 30% is more than 0%.
You stupid fucks are quite literally destroying your energy infrastructure because of politics. It’s so fucking funny to see.
>Liberal Politics is to blame!
Except this is Texas where even milquetoast center-right Democrats have no power and the far-right has total control.
This is happening in Texas simply because renewables provide the cheapest MWh of electricity, and that makes the power companies in the State the most money.
They've bet that they won't get enough severe weather to disrupt their wholly inadequate preparations enough to cost them more money than weatherizing their power stations.
Like it or not, my state gets the majority of peak power from wind, and it has no trouble coping with far more severe winter weather than what Texas got.
If Texas complied with Federal requirements they wouldn't be having these problems.
>the far-right has total control
lol
lmao
Notice how you don’t actually address any of the numerical FACTS I’ve presented. You instantly reduce this argument into left/right American politics.
You’re a lemming. The Texas grid failed because funds were specifically DENIED from maintaining thermal power plants in favor of wind turbines, and when the obvious consequences for that decision come to bear you relentlessly deny these FACTS.
30% of the generation for the grid GONE within a few hours. Oh but surely the grid collapsing isn’t due to that 30% disappearing with no viable replacement.
You stupid political fucks need to stay out of energy.
>Notice how you don’t actually address any of the numerical FACTS I’ve presented.
Except that your "Facts" aren't facts anon. Even ERCOT has admitted that "least significant factor in the blackout." and their output actually increased slightly during that time.
There's no liberal politics to blame for the failings of Texas's grid.
Just because you disagree with them because of your partisanship doesn’t make them not facts.
I also love how you use ERCOT as a source after just criticizing them.
The FACT that the wind turbines had to be completely taken off the grid significantly influenced the grid failure. You can’t just lose 30% of your production and it not be an issue.
You are also confused, as the issues with the thermal plants are due to a lack of funding, based on what ERCOT has said.
I will remind you again: Austin CHOSE to spend their energy grant on nothing but wind. They weren’t the only ones.
This is what happens when you play politics with utilities.
Why do you keep singling out Austin as if it isn't a government that represents the whole of Texas? Its also heavily gerrymandered to reduce the power of more liberal areas of the state like Austin.
Texas is not playing politics with utilities, at least not in the way you're suggesting. The far-right government of the state has had lax oversight of electrical companies and that is the source of the problems.
>You can’t just lose 30% of your production and it not be an issue.
Except that it wasn't that much.
>Only 7% of ERCOT’s forecasted winter capacity, or 6 gigawatts, was expected to come from various wind power sources across the state.
This failure was also caused solely by Texas's lack of oversight and failure to adhere to the basic standards that allow wind power to operate reliably in much colder climates.
Austin is the Capitol of Texas, and their action serves as an example for the political landscape of the state.
They were not the only ones to restrict the energy budget to only renewables. Regardless, it’s a terrible mistake.
>except that it wasn’t that much
>quotes forecasts
Again anon, we have a website that literally tells us the generation for that time frame.
I’m quite literally looking RIGHT NOW. Wind energy was 30% of the total generation for the state of Texas in the weeks leading up to the big freeze.
When the big freeze occurs, it drops to a fat 0%.
Are you really going to sit here and tell me this clear over-reliance on wind, and then being forced to detach said wind for fear of damaged turbines, has nothing to do with wind power?
You really are from Iowa LOL.
>Austin were not the only ones to restrict the energy budget to only renewables.
Never happened. Austin is cut into little pieces to prevent it from having any political say in the state.
>in the weeks leading up to the big freeze.
Which is not the time when the state's fossil fuel plants froze up. Wind was only expected to provide 7% then.
No way around this anon. Texas's grid failed in conditions that the rest of the country would laugh off, and that happened because of poor oversight and preparation.
The dude is literally just going off of FOX news bullshit and youtube propaganda, not even worth discussing with him.
Incorrect, I’m literally going based off of factual electricity data reported on
eia.gov
I invite you to prove me wrong, but you won’t.
and what state are you from so I can fact check you with this convenient website
https://www.eia.gov/
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/iowa/
>Iowa
lol explains a lot. California generates more wind power than you do.
Your state also received power from other sources, just from a look at the eia dashboard.
Your electricity is also fairly expensive, did you know that?
>California generates more wind power than you do.
California has much more land area, and a larger population. Why would that be surprising?
Plus:
>California - Primary energy source: Natural gas
>Your state also received power from other sources
That's the advantage of being connected to a larger grid. Iowa sells energy when it has a surplus, buys energy when its needed.
As North Korea shows Juche isn't a good policy.
>Your electricity is also fairly expensive, did you know that?
Less than $.10 a kWh isn't particularly bad, and a lot of people here have solar panels.
>coping
Anon, your state is tiny as fuck and has THREE wind farms.
I don’t know how to tell you this, but you don’t need power to grow corn. Just because your state has found a niche for wind power does not mean it can replace thermal power across the nation.
It’s also hilarious that your energy is just as expensive as mine and you don’t see the problem.
>does not mean it can replace thermal power across the nation.
No one ever claimed that it could. Nuclear power is the solution.
>your energy is just as expensive as mine and you don’t see the problem.
Well my personal power is free now because I've got solar panels.
solar panels have the same issue as wind: their economic solely because of subsidies and their ecological footprint is worse, although it is exported offshore.
You’re correct about nuclear however. The way forward is nuclear and NG, with wind and solar(and geothermal where applicable) filling niches along the way.
>their economic solely because of subsidies
Maybe 40 years ago, the cost of solar panels is falling rapidly and any government subsidies have long since paid for themselves in dividends.
They're one of the best investments you can make both for personal financial reasons, and for environmental reasons.
Nuclear plus zero carbon sources is the way forward anon. Liquid fuels and natural gas are on their way out because they cost too much, and they compromise the security of the United States and our allies.
The faster fossil fuels are phased out the better, if you think the paltry millions spend on renewables are bad, fossil fuels gets trillions.
You sound like a salesman.
>zero carbon forces
You should stop letting ideologically influence energy policy.
Thermal energy will never be phased out simply because it’s available on demand.
there’s also an incredible about of subsidies keeping solar panels afloat. I’m not sure how you think it’s even remotely economic without them.
Practically every state has them.
>https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/homeowners-guide-federal-tax-credit-solar-photovoltaics
Up to 30% of the cost of solar panels taken directly from your taxes.
That’s a major subsidy, my friend.
>liquid fuels and natural gas are on their way
ROFL, you are have no clue. Unless we develop energy storage medium that makes hydrocarbons completely obsolete.
Give him a break, he’s from Iowa. This technology is fairly new to him.
And anon, Iowa had a net negative generation Jan-May of 2021.
Explain to me how your wind supplies your demand, yet your net generation drops into the negatives?
It seems like Iowa wind farms have trouble meeting demand in the early months of Jan-March.
Care to comment?
> Texas brought their grid up to federal standards and interconnected with the rest of the country
Texas already has a grid up to standard, and they gain absolutely NOTHING by connecting it to the southeastern grid.
In 2017 Austin received funds for expanding their energy infrastructure and they spent it entirely on wind power. If you want a source for the issue, look no further than Austin.
Putting all of your eggs in the basket that is reliant on the wind to blow is not going to lead to prosperity.
Here, educate yourself
https://www.eia.gov/
Oh wow would you look at their top story
>California drought could reduce hydroelectric generation to half of normal levels
“Renewables” just can’t catch a break.
>Do you have a single fact to back that up?
It's not always windy
>Do you have a single fact to back that up?
If you're asserting that the energy required for the manufacture, installation, and decommissioning of solar panels or wind turbines is less than that produced over their lifetime, that's not even close to true .
Yes, or fuels from plants, or ammonia, or synthetic liquid hydrocarbon fuels produced from carbon dioxide, water, and electricity, depending on which is cheapest.
The energy input to manufacture virtually anything currently comes from fossil fuels. That's literally the entire issue.
Why dont we just put trash on a disposable cheap rockets and blast them off to space?
cause it takes a lot of fucking fuel to send shit away
>The real problem is they waste tons of water
Do you have any idea how much water is wasted to extract oil and gas or coal every day?
>can't be fucking recycled once they're used up
Don't forget wind turbines. Feels good to be helping the environment like this
wow, landfill, I hope you never create waste that goes to landfill anon, otherwise you'd look quite a fool
God you fucking people are so profoundly retarded
The major media is lying about green energy. Its actually you who is the retard.
>source is some long video instead of an actual paper
Every time. You realize no one is actually going to watch it, right?
Maybe you could read the book the talk is centered around? Which has many sources? Maybe stop being a dumb moron
Nuclear has proven no such thing. Imagine falling for the "renewable" garden gnome. Unsightly, low efficiency bullshit
>gets source that isnt wikipedia
>uhhhhh tldr I win by default
unironically kys
>makes idiotic statement
>posts a TEDtalk opinion video on Cinemaphile
>calls poster a retard
Classic worthless post, anon.
Nuclear has proven itself to be an environmental disaster. And your shit post is not an argument to the post you replied to.
>nuclear bad
Spend your last hour or two watching this dude blow your mind then blow your fucking brains out you worthless piece of shit
Dumb fucks. The real problem with solar farms is they are ugly, and in order to be even remotely effect you have to already that ugly over a large area. It destroys the topography, and ecology of the area as well but that doesn't matter. They are unsightly. No one wants to look at it. They are trying to destroy everything good outside the city so that an ever expanding concrete sea is the only option. Imagine supporting any form of energy. If you can't sail there, or get there by horseback, you were never meant to go there.
literally every form of power generation is ugly and area destroying you dumbass chud. except maybe nuclear the plants look cool
If you can’t communicate with someone by writing a letter and sending it, you were never meant to post on the internet.
i bet you never go outside, literally no one cares if they put a billion of these up in the desert.
who is “they”, and who is going to pay for it?
>who is “they”
the people who pay him
>and who is going to pay for it?
You and me, also him
good thing most animals are extinct in blade runner
How tf do solar farms kill birds?
they get extremely fucking hot near/above them.
they don't deserve to make it tbh
enjoy the swarms of insects
>hundreds of birds per year
Sounds like a lot until you realize that house cats let outside kill 2.4 billion birds every year, and about 1 billion birds die from flying into windows.
More birds die from the effects of burning coal and oil than die from solar or wind.
god damn those bird-murdering libtards
>he actually fell for it
yea they fry hundreds if not thousands of birds a year
which is a fraction of the birds that would be dying from other means of energy production
also who gives a shit, in a few generations we'll have birds who are smart enough not to fly into something that's brighter than the sun
> yea they fry hundreds if not thousands of birds a year which is a fraction of the birds that would be dying from other means of energy production
citation desperately needed
Especially since most oil is drilled offshore.
>Especially since most oil is drilled offshore.
think of the seagulls
Seagulls feast around oil rigs, though. The fishies eating the crud stuck to the rig attract them.
>believes in birds
"birds" were a myth created by the CIA in order to trick idiots into believing in evolution and conveniently explain what happened to the dinosaurs.
Meds. Now.
Master bait right here
are you stupid?
Because all other resources are running out and its a last resort.
It’s a dystopian future after all. A future where retarded “clean energy” lobbying beats out nuclear so in the end 90% of the earth is covered in solar panels because they’re so fucking useless you need a billion to power a single city.
In fact it’s what most retarded countries in the world are doing atm, putting green energy everywhere with no thought whatsoever wasting trillions
oh yeah because ur an ecological blessing
idk, the shot is cool af though
same situation as Germany. no wind or sun there and yet they are betting the future of their country on it. lol get fukt
Germany buys most of its energy from the French (who have nuclear energy)
>muh pest holocaust
Feral cats have a non zero effect on the ecosystem. And no, one island doesn't prove anything. Dumbest argument in the world
interesting
>there is no wind or sun in Germany
m8
it is pretty dumb considering they could put solar farms in space.
Snakes on a Plane
Wasn't that one meme movie with that black guy?
Climate change believers are essentially the Reveltation doomsday cultists of our time
I will personally dedicate myself to dastardly attacks on "green energy" until nuclear is fully embraced inshallah
based
inshallah, brother.
blade runner 2049
>be California
>dismantle nuclear energy grid
>now go after conventional fossil fuel power
>spend trillions on windmills and solar panels that do nothing
>surging population from open borders and every migrant having 50 kids means further strains on power grid
>tell people to buy electric cars
>rolling brownouts like third world country
Not even pol but this shot drives me crazy
Any green experts ITT can confirm if the mining companies that rape the landscape for lithium, cobalt, silver etc to build these renewable machines and electric car batteries are in fact solar powered mining rigs??
The number one use cobalt in transportation is in the refining of fossil fuels. Anyone who thinks that BEVs are somehow more resource intensive has no idea how much goes into making the fuel that propels gas cars. A battery gets used for 20 years in a car 350k miles before it needs to be retired to stationary storage applications, gas gets used a single time.
>solar powered mining rigs?
In a sense since lithium was in the past collected by evaporating it out of brine.
Now there is a new technique that involves pumping the brine through membranes that extract the lithium using far less water, and increasing yields.
so what do they charge the battery with during its lifetime
The US gets more electricity from clean, safe, nuclear power than it does from coal, and zero carbon sources as a whole outnumber natural gas.
Even run entirely off of coal, an increasingly unlikely scenario in Western Democracies, an EV that gets more than 3 miles to a kWh will emit less CO2.
Current generation EVs average around 4 miles per kWh annually, and next-generation EVs will average 5 or more.
No way around the fact that BEVs are the best option today.
you forget that you export the environmental costs to China when it comes to constructing these EVs.
that’s a bit disingenuous, no?
Tesla Model 3 is the most American made car anon.
Lithium isn’t mined in America.
You're right, it comes from Australia. Dumb cunt.
so our carbon footprint is exported offshore.
thank you for proving my point.
a common misconception is that the solar panels don't get any energy when it's cloudy, of course they do, just not as much.
solar panels also work with the moonlight and when covered with snow, just much, MUCH less efficiently
the get government subsidies
Simple, factual answer. They tried it to save the world. It DIDNT WORK. IT DOESNT WORK! EVERY GREEN ENERGY IS STUPID and cancerous! They're all just an excuse to keep capitalism afloat by changing a source and creating a demand/market for things we DONT need. Solar Panels are the Betamax of energy. Wind is the 8-track cassettes.
pretty clever anon, betamax, the vastly superior format, destroyed because the capitalistic forces choosing vhs for pornography and getting the market share first
Moisture farming.
Because they're subsidised by evil beuracrats and shilled by midwits
I hate Russians for destroying nuclear power's reputation.
Chernobyl is in Ukraine
>dude just make every vehicle electric and all power generation 'green' so the grid can collapse and never recover
Are these based retards secred Kaczynski bros?
those are actually GPUs mining bitcoins
Solar panels are extremely wasteful and can't be efficiently maintained groundside due to all the dust and other contaminants. Why a space faring civilization would place millions upon millions of solar panels on a planet's surface is beyond me, especially when they can just place them on a body with no atmosphere or in orbit and transmit the energy to the buildings below.
That's the joke
>read literally every post in the thread for a cogent, educated argument against solar energy
>not a single one
Keep up the great work guys
because shitty writers can't make a sci-fi story without "m-muh solar panel fields" and "m-muh wind turbine fields" even though both suck and are a massive scam
how to tell someone bought into trump's bs just a bit too much
What's the orange man got to do with this? Actually research it, you'll see.
those are blockchain databases
Isn't it just because he went to Las Vegas and the three solar farms south of Las Vegas make for a cool aerial picture?
because it's cloudy
its not cloudy the sun just turned blue
That's the joke.
central planners gonna central plan
>record heat waves
>droughts everywhere
>lakes drying up
>record breaking storms each following year
>SORRY IT'S ALL FAKE MADE UP LIBTURD BULLSHIT
I don't ecen bother reading these threads anymore because it's going to be gays seething and repeating talking points they read somewhere else but don't really understand.
Thanks for reading my blog
>Thanks for reading my blog
doh!
For the sake of completeness I’ve found the numbers for Texas around the big feeeze in 2021.
>generation for Jan21
>coal 7959
>NG 17756
>nuclear 3799
>wind 8700
>Feb21
>coal 6812
>NG 17095
>nuclear 3314
>wind 7088
Long story short, Texas grid generation from wind was around 23% leading into the big freeze. ERCOT, predictably, was lying to cover their ass.
I'll have another go.
Those molten salt power plants don't work.
But, like, who cares? You'd have to be a real gay to care about birds.