Will should have accepted.

Will should have accepted.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's amazing to think The Matrix was one poor casting choice away from being a mediocre film.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      However, would the sequels have potentially been better with Will?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The sequells sucked ass.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, good one. I am not the anon you asked first but I doubt it. What sequels did Will Smith do well anyways?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bad Boys 2

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is it still trendy and edgy to say the sequels sucked in 2024? I thought that was more of a "I go against the herd" 2020 type thing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dont know what you are talking about. I saw them all as a kid. The first one on TV and absolutely loved it. I think I was like 10 or something. Saw the others at the cinema but didnt really like them.

            What did you think about them and would you have preferred Will Smith playing Neo?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I thought the first one was the best, but the latter two filled in much needed information. Ultimately it took the Animatrix to answer a lot of the stuff they still couldn't fit into the first 3 movies, but overall they did a good job. They took what they learned and did well in the first one and amplified it in the second. Then they changed course a bit and focused more on "The Real" in the third one which was also cool. The first two movies always treated the real world like some intermission before they jumped back into The Matrix, but the third showed it was always designed around escaping the Matrix to live in the real world.

              I would not have preferred Will Smith, he's a mediocre actor at best and would've overplayed himself in the role of Neo. He can't resist it when he gets a serious role like I Am Legend, it comes off as tryhard.

              People seem to love talking shit about the Matrix 2 and 3 but the most elaboration I can ever get from them is basically they weren't the original movie so they suck. Sort of like people who shit on Return of the Jedi or the prequels.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          matrix 2 was on par with matrix 1, just matrix 3 was okey, not bad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Smith would have made them even cheesier with his woke homeboy attitude.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The song would have been a classic

        Bullet dodging it
        I'm callin in
        Need me an evac
        Agents on the A-tack
        Trinity lookin like Jazzy Jeff from back
        ...sexual monkey noises

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They would have been very different. The whole enterprise would have been very different. I feel like so much of that franchise revolves around Keanu's personality. And by Keanu's personality, I mean almost total lack of personality. I don't mean that disparagingly, the man has built an entire career out of his own unaffected stoicism and I like a lot of his movies, but he's the kind of actor a director uses like an artist uses a specific paint or paintbrush.

        He's not a swiss army knife style actor you can throw into any movie and make it work. He's the best actor you can possibly get for Keanu Reeves style characters. John Wick? Brilliant. Neo? Brilliant? Constantine? Nah, not really. That movie kind of works in spite of itself and I actually kind of love it, but he was fundamentally wrong for the role.

        The thing with the Matrix is I don't know if it was designed to be a Keanu Reeves movie or if it was a happy accident. But the thought of Will Smith playing Neo is just so fricking strange to me. He couldn't be less appropriate for the role if he wanted to be. And I don't dislike him, he's another actor that is great when utilized effectively, but his Neo would be a comedic fish out of water. He'd be the one normal guy in a world of autists. You would either have to force him to be something he isn't (kind of like Samuel L. Jackson playing a stoic Jedi master) or the movie would become a comedy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      eh, a potato bag could play neo. his acting wasn't really a big contribution to its success

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >his acting wasn't really a big contribution to its success
        I'd argue the exact opposite. His stiff acting was basically like a blank slate that made it incredibly easy for all boys and men to self-insert and imagine themselves as Neo.

        If Neo had a bombastic personality, which would have been inevitable with Will Smith, then I am not so sure that people would have been able to self-insert so easily.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This

          An understated performance was necessary, not just so the viewer could self-insert, but because an enlightened being wouldn't be concerned about impressing people with his charm and charisma.

          Like most nogs, Will Smith is incapable of subtly.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Like most nogs, Will Smith is incapable of subtly.
            He can likely spell subtlety though.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Whoa, you identified a typo. Give yourself a gold star

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              do his math homework next you fricking dork. That subtile enough for you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can just imagine Smith’s Neo dialogue:
          >“Yo Morph. What you sayin’? What you sayin’ bro? We in some kinda computer game? Ain’t that some sheeeeii…”

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think he and val kilmer would have worked honestly. Reeves isnt like way out of smiths acting league or anything

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Reeves isnt like way out of smiths acting league or anything
        It's not about acting skills, it's about their individual personalities. Reeves worked well because of who he is.

        But I agree that Kilmer could have pulled it off.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thanks Will

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thank god we got keanu
    gonna watch reloaded right now

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wake up, Black...
    >The Matrix has you...Follow the white rabbit.
    >Knock, Knock, Black.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ayo, you tryna say I can. pssh nah, dodge bullets n shit?!

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Much better actor too

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's absolutely no way he could've done the level of martial arts that Keanu did.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This entire franchise made no sense from the beginning. The justification for the machines keeping humans around is patently horseshit, it feels like they invented the concept of the Matrix but then couldn't figure out how to justify its existence.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      homie what. it is in scene one that they are batteries. how did you miss that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That isn't believable. Humans are not an efficient power source, there is absolutely no reason to use humans over nuclear power plants.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          all Uranium was depleted on earth

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I find that extremely hard to believe. And at that point, use fricking solar panels, hydro dams, windmills, literally anything else.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is a finite amount of Uranium in earth's crust
              >solar panels
              no sun, clouds blocking it
              >hydro dams, windmills
              can't feed an entire city of hungry machines that's 100% of the time are producing shit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In fact they would be a power drain or at best a lossy power store.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he isn't talking about the people who are still plugged in to the matrix, he is talking about Zion.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they intentionally dumbed that part down for normies
      yeah batteries are dumb tho

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      homie what. it is in scene one that they are batteries. how did you miss that

      they intentionally dumbed that part down for normies
      yeah batteries are dumb tho

      Animatrix answers this as well, it expands on Operation Dark Storm and how the machines essentially needed a power source after humans blocked out the sun. It doesn't talk about what happens to all the plant life on earth though, as it would've died and oxygen levels would've dropped to fatal levels. Presumably this took place after the machines had won the war and everything was being synthesized and recycled where possible.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They keep the humans alive out of guilt/pity and the "batteries" thing is just a human conspiracy theory

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      homie what. it is in scene one that they are batteries. how did you miss that

      [...]
      [...]
      Animatrix answers this as well, it expands on Operation Dark Storm and how the machines essentially needed a power source after humans blocked out the sun. It doesn't talk about what happens to all the plant life on earth though, as it would've died and oxygen levels would've dropped to fatal levels. Presumably this took place after the machines had won the war and everything was being synthesized and recycled where possible.

      They keep the humans alive out of guilt/pity and the "batteries" thing is just a human conspiracy theory

      In the original script, humans were kept alive as some sort of cluster computing power. It was changed into humans being batteries after WB execs were adamant that audiences wouldn't understand the original concept.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For once the execs were right, people would've been too confused. It would've also raised the question of how, if humans are the ultimate super computer, some non-human machines could've possibly defeated them. Makes way more sense from a story telling perspective and just overall audience digestion to have people serving as batteries and the machines being the ultimate computers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          but that's stupid, humans need organic food to produce energy for the machines, where did machines get that organic food?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There was a matrix for cows that peoduced meat for humans

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              smart, i know exactly what you mean

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They cover this in the movie too, the dead humans are liquefied and fed intravenously to the living via those fluid pods they're housed inside.

            >For once the execs were right, people would've been too confused
            I think they could have easily had like a 2 minute scene of Morpheus explaining how one computer works, but if you take two computers and combine them, then it's double the computing power, and so on. It could have also potentially opened up a whole lore/story element about what they needed the computing power for.

            >if humans are the ultimate super computer, some non-human machines could've possibly defeated them
            This one would be very easy to explain away. Separated = weak, together = strong. Humanity hadn't reached a point where they could achieve peace on earth and work together as one.

            If the movie's plot was purely about teamwork that'd make it even more shallow than some Christ-like figure, i.e. Neo.
            I don't think we're debating about whether or not it could've been done, it's just about what's more palatable for a general audience. People (IN GENERAL) don't like to be mentally challenged by movies. They like a tiny bit of mystique that's easily explained later on, so they can feel a bit smart walking out of the theatre. There are even a lot of people who found the Matrix too complicated (i.e. lots of dumb boomers) and hate it to this day because it was CONFOOOSING to them.

            This from the generation who thought a Clint Eastwood driving around with a frickin orangutan in a truck was peak cinema.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >it's just about what's more palatable for a general audience
              Yeah, that's fair enough. It was very likely the right choice for the wider audience. Having said that, I don't think it's even an important detail per se. Either way could have probably worked, like you said.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >For once the execs were right, people would've been too confused
          I think they could have easily had like a 2 minute scene of Morpheus explaining how one computer works, but if you take two computers and combine them, then it's double the computing power, and so on. It could have also potentially opened up a whole lore/story element about what they needed the computing power for.

          >if humans are the ultimate super computer, some non-human machines could've possibly defeated them
          This one would be very easy to explain away. Separated = weak, together = strong. Humanity hadn't reached a point where they could achieve peace on earth and work together as one.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ayo these cats pullin sum MAD tricks!

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will should've played Agent Smith.
    >And what the hell is that smell?! I could've been at a barbecue!
    >Here come the Men In Black (Men In Black)
    >They won't let you remember (won't let you remember)

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Johny Depp should have accepted.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He chosed SOUL instead, he was right

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WICKY WILD WILD

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    keanu hate is as r*ddit as it gets. he is not bad at acting. He just usually plays a quiet non-moronic hapa like himself and many people who don't glorify crime and disturbing the peace

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he is not bad at acting
      I like Keanu, but his acting in something like Bram Stoker's Dracula is absolutely terrible, for example.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would have made the movie shit and even goofier

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Back to Cinemaphile with your is*kai crap

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Jack Nicholson was originally considered to be Morpheus
    How would that have worked out? They're both awesome in different ways.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have never heard about that before. I have heard about these though:

      >Will Smith/Nic Cage/Brad Pitt/Val Kilmer/Johnny Depp/Kevin Costner/David Duchovny/Leonardo DiCaprio/Tom Cruise as Neo
      >Russel Crowe/Samuel L. Jackson/Gary Oldman/Michael Douglas as Morpheus
      >Janet Jackson/Sandra Bullock/Rosie Perez as Trinity
      >Jean Reno as Agent Smith
      >Sean Connery as The Architect
      >Jet Li/Michelle Yeoh as Seraph

      It's crazy how different The Matrix could have been. It's a fricking miracle that it didn't get ruined and actually became near perfect with the cast that it ended up with.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Rosie Perez as Trinity
        Lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know what the hell they were thinking with both Janet Jackson and Rosie Perez.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know. It is sorta like after the first film the whole production lost their balls.

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