One writer wanted to make Conner transition into Connie until DC rejected it. The writer is now hoping that there’s enough interest for someone else to go for it ala Mystique.
>Conner looked like a homosexual back in the day.
Conner looks like a homosexual NOW, he's been wearing his classic 90s costume ever since Bendis brought him back, he arguably looks gaygier now.
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>Bendis
You must be confused anon, Bendis is Marvel's problem.
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When was the last time you read comics? Bendis joined DC in 2018 and left in 2022.
He pretty much crashed the whole Superman line of books.
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I haven't read comics since Johns took the reign of DC.
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Probably a good thing, you've missed on a lot of shit, like his reboot of the Legion of Super-Heroes, or the shitty new identity that he gave to Tim Drake.
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>or the shitty new identity that he gave to Tim Drake.
Another one?!
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He was just called "Drake", it didn't really last.
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That costume really sucks which is a shame since he had the best Robin costume.
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smart.
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Why would you bring that costume back? Like back in the day it was effeminate but in style. Now days it's just fricking queer. Did they actually lean in on the Conner x Tim fujos wishes?
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My best guess is that Bendis wanted to bring back Young Justice the way he remembered it, which meant putting everyone back in their old suits.
And that included Tim apparently, he was Red Robin through Rebirth, but Bendis made him go back to Robin, and then made him drop that for Drake, just for that dropped almost immediately cause everyone hated it, which left Tim as just Robin again. >Did they actually lean in on the Conner x Tim fujos wishes?
Not really actually, they later made Tim bisexual, but Conner has been pretty much free from all that bullshit.
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>Amethyst having powers outside Gemworld >Some Cowgirl
wut
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>Amethyst having powers outside Gemworld
The book also had a reimagining of Amethyst, Gemworld, and how their stuff worked, I wasn't a fan. >Some Cowgirl
Get this, she's Jonah Hex's descendant, JINNY Hex, very original as you can see.
Also she's a lesbian.
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>Get this, she's Jonah Hex's descendant, JINNY Hex, very original as you can see. >Also she's a lesbian.
I don't care about the lesbian bit, but being someone's descendant doesn't make you any better at being a cowboy. This is stupid.
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Welcome to the world of Bendis
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She's not just a lesbian cowgirl descendant of Jonah Hex
She inherited a bunch of futuristic and alien technology and weapons from Jonah because apparently time travellers kept bugging him
So she uses a retro 50s era raygun and other gimmicky shit
Yeah that's stupid. Nepobaby heroes are stupid unless the power is genetic.
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>Get this, she's Jonah Hex's descendant, JINNY Hex, very original as you can see. >Also she's a lesbian.
I don't care about the lesbian bit, but being someone's descendant doesn't make you any better at being a cowboy. This is stupid.
She's not just a lesbian cowgirl descendant of Jonah Hex
She inherited a bunch of futuristic and alien technology and weapons from Jonah because apparently time travellers kept bugging him
So she uses a retro 50s era raygun and other gimmicky shit
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>Amethyst having powers outside Gemworld >Some Cowgirl
wut
>Amethyst having powers outside Gemworld
The book also had a reimagining of Amethyst, Gemworld, and how their stuff worked, I wasn't a fan. >Some Cowgirl
Get this, she's Jonah Hex's descendant, JINNY Hex, very original as you can see.
Also she's a lesbian.
>Jinxy is a lesbian >She is a cute Blonde cowgirl >Amethyst looks like a man
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>they later made Tim bisexual, but Conner has been pretty much free from all that bullshit.
Because Johns had Conner frick Cassie while Tim never got that far with Steph or whoever
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I remember John Byrne malded over Cereal Lord having his underage creation frick Superboy. Some tumblrinas will suggest oh, maybe because he wanted her to be lesbian. No, it was that she was a minor, although Byrne himself has had some odd quotes about teen girls.
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>No, it was that she was a minor, although Byrne himself has had some odd quotes about teen girls.
if they are both teenagers thats not that odd. I lost my virginity in HS and so did a lot of people I know. Teen superhero's are like athletes, they are very fit, young, and full of hormones, they are gonna wanna frick.
If anything it's surprising there aren't more teen pregnancies among teen superhero's
Think of it like this, if you were a 16 year old boy with with superpowers that looks like superman and a hot blonde girl makes it very obvious she wants your wiener, are you gonna say no? How many 16 year old boys even have the self restraint necessary to say no to that?
He's not wrong tho, the writer released the pitch to the public.
If anyone's curious about it: https://litter.catbox.moe/bpo4il.pdf
The writer released the pitch because they were butthurt about being told "no" and they genuinely believed that their idea was so amazing that when the public saw it, they would demand that the comic book company let the writer do their stupid idea. It backfired and everyone made fun of how stupid it was.
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Normalize writers releasing rejected pitches.
Wouldn't you like to know what Grant Morrison wanted to do with the Teen Titans back in the 90s? I know I do.
>Season 5 of Young Justice >due to excessive psychic damage caused by all of the times Miss Martian mindwiped him, Connor becomes trans >Connor and Kara fight over which of them gets to be called "Supergirl." >Wally West is still dead.
>Now, how will you fit in yet another timeskip
The timeskip would be the perfect opportunity to show Connor pre- and post-transformation after all of the hormones and surgeries have gone into effect. Connor's actual coming out as trans would be in one of the YJ tie-in comics that no one reads. The important part is that all of the most crucial decisions and character work needs to happen off-screen so that there can be more time for cameos of characters that have no relevance to the plot and who you'll probably never see again after this season and more time for social issues.
God this is painful to read. What the frick happened with YJ, the first season was actually somewhat good. Then the goddamn timeskips started happening every single fricking season.
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There was a lot more editorial control in S1. After that, Weisman was given more and more freedom to do what he wanted.
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>Executives have high control >Being out of touch boomers, they exert influence to chase trends, be cookie-cutter, and/or synergize with shit that's completely fricking irrelevant to the work ("include [x] he has a movie coming up"). Sometimes they just frick with things out of petty feuds
>Writers gains clout and protection from editors >nobody is willing to tell them "no" on shitty ideas, they get a swelled head that makes them take every criticism of their "unleashed artistic vision" as a personal attack, destroy things the writers and execs compromised on regardless of whether people liked it and generally become a prima-donna
>Now, how will you fit in yet another timeskip
The timeskip would be the perfect opportunity to show Connor pre- and post-transformation after all of the hormones and surgeries have gone into effect. Connor's actual coming out as trans would be in one of the YJ tie-in comics that no one reads. The important part is that all of the most crucial decisions and character work needs to happen off-screen so that there can be more time for cameos of characters that have no relevance to the plot and who you'll probably never see again after this season and more time for social issues.
>Season 5 of Young Justice >due to excessive psychic damage caused by all of the times Miss Martian mindwiped him, Connor becomes trans >Connor and Kara fight over which of them gets to be called "Supergirl." >Wally West is still dead.
You forgot the part of Vandal Savage claiming to invent rock and roll with a shitty slideshow.
Goddamn that pitch was so fricking stupid >Conner has identity issues stemming from the fact that for the longest time he didn’t know who he was cloned from and when he found out turns out it was half Lex Luthor >this must mean he’s trans
Also I want to say that retcon about him being a clone of Lex and Superman is fricking stupid. Am I wrong or didn’t Cadmus say in the original comics that Superman’s DNA was too complex to clone so they had to create a different clone? How does that leave room for Lex’s DNA being in there? And fricking WHY would Lex do that?
Geoff Johns wanted to live out his fanfiction. You can actually find his theory on the comic feedback pages.
There was even fan letters to DC published showing Johns writing in asking for Kon to be retconned before he was hired at DC
>Also I want to say that retcon about him being a clone of Lex and Superman is fricking stupid.
agreed.
A better idea would have been to use Wonder Womans DNA or that of Greek god (Diana's would just be easier to get). Pagan Gods exist in DC, the government knows about them, and they can have kids multiple species (Zeus fricked just about everything). Wonder Woman's physical traits are close enough to Supermans that their child could pass for a clone and since she has magic genes it should be possible to cross her DNA with a kryptonians.
Cross breeding human DNA with an alien species is harder than just cloning, science struggles to do it even with creatures from earth IRL.
Not only that but if I was making a super-soldier meant to take on the JL I would use the DNA of the strongest man and woman I could get my hands on.
>Am I wrong or didn’t Cadmus say in the original comics that Superman’s DNA was too complex to clone so they had to create a different clone?
that was the original idea. They couldn't figure out Kryptonian DNA so they replicated the functionality of it using a collection of metahuman genes; OG Kon had no biological parents and was a full custom DNA job. So technically OG Kon wasn't a clone.
>How does that leave room for Lex’s DNA being in there?
it doesn't, anyone who passed highschool bio knows that it can't work like that but this is DC writes we are talking about.
>And fricking WHY would Lex do that?
supposedly he wanted to kill Superman but kept failing so he wanted to create a child that would still be a part of him but serve his wishes. Kinda like beauty pageant moms who live vicariously though their daughters.
One writer wanted to make Conner transition into Connie until DC rejected it. The writer is now hoping that there’s enough interest for someone else to go for it ala Mystique.
It's your fault for creating an open ended shitty bait thread and then replying with shitty bait when some stupid anon takes the shitty bait.
I can agree with Kara but Kon is less than a year old. He is a baby put in to the body of a teenager, Kara when she comes to earth has 14 to 18 years of life experience and had a mother and father. Kon had none of that, he is mentally younger than 10 year old Jon, he needs parents or at the least grandparents to raise him.
>Tim and Damian added in the mix
I would say Kons relationship with Jon would be more like Dick and Damian. It would depend on which gen Kon is from.
If Kon is a first gen sidekick alongside, Dick, Wally, Donna, and so on then he would be more of a responsible figure compared to if he was from Tims gen (gen 3 sidekicks)
Kon will always be Gen 3 to me. I was never much of a fan of him getting mixed in with other gens of sidekicks haha
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At this point I think Kon has been put in to every gen. The latest movies have him alongside teen Damian. YJ tv show has him as gen 1 with Dick and Wally. His original version (which is a different character compared to t-shirt and jeans Kon) was gen 3. And I think he was from Jasons gen during some of the flashpoint movies.
They do the same thing with Kara where she floats between gens depending on the writer.
Personally I would go:
Gen 1: Kon
Gen 2 & 3: Kara
Gen 4: Jon or Lara
It makes the most sense that way.
If Cadmus had access to both male and female Kryptonian DNA they wouldn't have needed to genetically engineer Kon in the first place regardless of whose DNA they used, so Kara can't predate Kon. Kara would be next since she's a teen and would likely arrive on earth when Kal is already somewhere in his 30's.
Jon would be last since he's the youngest and would be born naturally (or the result of magic since Kryptonians and humans shouldn't be able to have kids together) and would need time to grow up AFTER Clark and Lois get married which is unlikely to happen while Clark is still in his early 20's and would most likely happen when Clark is closer to 30.
Original plan?
One writer wanted to make Conner transition into Connie until DC rejected it. The writer is now hoping that there’s enough interest for someone else to go for it ala Mystique.
Well yeah but not this version of Conner, the homosexual 90s conner. The METROPOLIS KID.
Superman died so we could get books like that.
We need trans representation
Not saying we do, just saying Conner looked like a homosexual back in the day. Why if he had a back pocket it'd probably have a hankie in it.
>Conner looked like a homosexual back in the day.
Conner looks like a homosexual NOW, he's been wearing his classic 90s costume ever since Bendis brought him back, he arguably looks gaygier now.
>Bendis
You must be confused anon, Bendis is Marvel's problem.
When was the last time you read comics? Bendis joined DC in 2018 and left in 2022.
He pretty much crashed the whole Superman line of books.
I haven't read comics since Johns took the reign of DC.
Probably a good thing, you've missed on a lot of shit, like his reboot of the Legion of Super-Heroes, or the shitty new identity that he gave to Tim Drake.
>or the shitty new identity that he gave to Tim Drake.
Another one?!
He was just called "Drake", it didn't really last.
That costume really sucks which is a shame since he had the best Robin costume.
smart.
Why would you bring that costume back? Like back in the day it was effeminate but in style. Now days it's just fricking queer. Did they actually lean in on the Conner x Tim fujos wishes?
My best guess is that Bendis wanted to bring back Young Justice the way he remembered it, which meant putting everyone back in their old suits.
And that included Tim apparently, he was Red Robin through Rebirth, but Bendis made him go back to Robin, and then made him drop that for Drake, just for that dropped almost immediately cause everyone hated it, which left Tim as just Robin again.
>Did they actually lean in on the Conner x Tim fujos wishes?
Not really actually, they later made Tim bisexual, but Conner has been pretty much free from all that bullshit.
>Amethyst having powers outside Gemworld
>Some Cowgirl
wut
>Amethyst having powers outside Gemworld
The book also had a reimagining of Amethyst, Gemworld, and how their stuff worked, I wasn't a fan.
>Some Cowgirl
Get this, she's Jonah Hex's descendant, JINNY Hex, very original as you can see.
Also she's a lesbian.
>Get this, she's Jonah Hex's descendant, JINNY Hex, very original as you can see.
>Also she's a lesbian.
I don't care about the lesbian bit, but being someone's descendant doesn't make you any better at being a cowboy. This is stupid.
Welcome to the world of Bendis
Yeah that's stupid. Nepobaby heroes are stupid unless the power is genetic.
She's not just a lesbian cowgirl descendant of Jonah Hex
She inherited a bunch of futuristic and alien technology and weapons from Jonah because apparently time travellers kept bugging him
So she uses a retro 50s era raygun and other gimmicky shit
>Jinxy is a lesbian
>She is a cute Blonde cowgirl
>Amethyst looks like a man
>they later made Tim bisexual, but Conner has been pretty much free from all that bullshit.
Because Johns had Conner frick Cassie while Tim never got that far with Steph or whoever
I remember John Byrne malded over Cereal Lord having his underage creation frick Superboy. Some tumblrinas will suggest oh, maybe because he wanted her to be lesbian. No, it was that she was a minor, although Byrne himself has had some odd quotes about teen girls.
>No, it was that she was a minor, although Byrne himself has had some odd quotes about teen girls.
if they are both teenagers thats not that odd. I lost my virginity in HS and so did a lot of people I know. Teen superhero's are like athletes, they are very fit, young, and full of hormones, they are gonna wanna frick.
If anything it's surprising there aren't more teen pregnancies among teen superhero's
Think of it like this, if you were a 16 year old boy with with superpowers that looks like superman and a hot blonde girl makes it very obvious she wants your wiener, are you gonna say no? How many 16 year old boys even have the self restraint necessary to say no to that?
Except that's the cooler Connor.
Rent free
He's not wrong tho, the writer released the pitch to the public.
If anyone's curious about it:
https://litter.catbox.moe/bpo4il.pdf
>Skyrocket
Kurt Busiek's Power Company deserves better than this.
This is really really bad, but its cool they released the pitch.
The writer released the pitch because they were butthurt about being told "no" and they genuinely believed that their idea was so amazing that when the public saw it, they would demand that the comic book company let the writer do their stupid idea. It backfired and everyone made fun of how stupid it was.
Normalize writers releasing rejected pitches.
Wouldn't you like to know what Grant Morrison wanted to do with the Teen Titans back in the 90s? I know I do.
>that jaw in the second pic
I’m still convinced this was a weird April Fool’s prank
It was not.
The character's appearance is based on Mags Vissagio who is also trans.
Based on what the writer looks like, SB was gonna be turned into a self-insert.
No that was Eternity Girl. The writer just makes everyone trans and spent all day arguing how Kurt Cobain was trans.
Glad someone at the top had some sense.
Yes trans people live rent free in your head, thank you for announcing it.
>Season 5 of Young Justice
>due to excessive psychic damage caused by all of the times Miss Martian mindwiped him, Connor becomes trans
>Connor and Kara fight over which of them gets to be called "Supergirl."
>Wally West is still dead.
Now, how will you fit in yet another timeskip and another set of characters that are meant to be the focus?
You know it isn't YJ without that.
>Now, how will you fit in yet another timeskip
The timeskip would be the perfect opportunity to show Connor pre- and post-transformation after all of the hormones and surgeries have gone into effect. Connor's actual coming out as trans would be in one of the YJ tie-in comics that no one reads. The important part is that all of the most crucial decisions and character work needs to happen off-screen so that there can be more time for cameos of characters that have no relevance to the plot and who you'll probably never see again after this season and more time for social issues.
God this is painful to read. What the frick happened with YJ, the first season was actually somewhat good. Then the goddamn timeskips started happening every single fricking season.
There was a lot more editorial control in S1. After that, Weisman was given more and more freedom to do what he wanted.
>Executives have high control
>Being out of touch boomers, they exert influence to chase trends, be cookie-cutter, and/or synergize with shit that's completely fricking irrelevant to the work ("include [x] he has a movie coming up"). Sometimes they just frick with things out of petty feuds
>Writers gains clout and protection from editors
>nobody is willing to tell them "no" on shitty ideas, they get a swelled head that makes them take every criticism of their "unleashed artistic vision" as a personal attack, destroy things the writers and execs compromised on regardless of whether people liked it and generally become a prima-donna
There's just no winning.
You forgot the part of Vandal Savage claiming to invent rock and roll with a shitty slideshow.
>writer
Lol
They wrote Eternity Girl? They're a writer, even if most of what they do is complain on twitter.
Goddamn that pitch was so fricking stupid
>Conner has identity issues stemming from the fact that for the longest time he didn’t know who he was cloned from and when he found out turns out it was half Lex Luthor
>this must mean he’s trans
Also I want to say that retcon about him being a clone of Lex and Superman is fricking stupid. Am I wrong or didn’t Cadmus say in the original comics that Superman’s DNA was too complex to clone so they had to create a different clone? How does that leave room for Lex’s DNA being in there? And fricking WHY would Lex do that?
Geoff Johns wanted to live out his fanfiction. You can actually find his theory on the comic feedback pages.
Cereal Lord was a mistake
this:
There was even fan letters to DC published showing Johns writing in asking for Kon to be retconned before he was hired at DC
>Also I want to say that retcon about him being a clone of Lex and Superman is fricking stupid.
agreed.
A better idea would have been to use Wonder Womans DNA or that of Greek god (Diana's would just be easier to get). Pagan Gods exist in DC, the government knows about them, and they can have kids multiple species (Zeus fricked just about everything). Wonder Woman's physical traits are close enough to Supermans that their child could pass for a clone and since she has magic genes it should be possible to cross her DNA with a kryptonians.
Cross breeding human DNA with an alien species is harder than just cloning, science struggles to do it even with creatures from earth IRL.
Not only that but if I was making a super-soldier meant to take on the JL I would use the DNA of the strongest man and woman I could get my hands on.
>Am I wrong or didn’t Cadmus say in the original comics that Superman’s DNA was too complex to clone so they had to create a different clone?
that was the original idea. They couldn't figure out Kryptonian DNA so they replicated the functionality of it using a collection of metahuman genes; OG Kon had no biological parents and was a full custom DNA job. So technically OG Kon wasn't a clone.
>How does that leave room for Lex’s DNA being in there?
it doesn't, anyone who passed highschool bio knows that it can't work like that but this is DC writes we are talking about.
>And fricking WHY would Lex do that?
supposedly he wanted to kill Superman but kept failing so he wanted to create a child that would still be a part of him but serve his wishes. Kinda like beauty pageant moms who live vicariously though their daughters.
It's your fault for creating an open ended shitty bait thread and then replying with shitty bait when some stupid anon takes the shitty bait.
Im not sure what you are talking about but this show should have ended after season 2.
Probably not, the writer went public with the pitch supposedly cause there were no chances of it ever happening.
There was a hook left that other writers could grab onto
Nah, that backup she did was meant to start the whole "Kon becomes trans" story, but DC didn't approve it, so Kon just went to the Speed Force book.
The plan should be Clark raising him and Kara as his kids alongside de-aged, de-gayed Jon.
No that’s stupid. It infantilizes Conner and Kara.
I can agree with Kara but Kon is less than a year old. He is a baby put in to the body of a teenager, Kara when she comes to earth has 14 to 18 years of life experience and had a mother and father. Kon had none of that, he is mentally younger than 10 year old Jon, he needs parents or at the least grandparents to raise him.
I wish we got more Jon and Kon before the age up
We didn't get anything with them before they aged Jon up, Bendis both aged Jon up and brought Kon back pretty much at the same time.
That's a shame. Would've been so easy to write a bunch of stories around their relationship, especially with Tim and Damian added in the mix
>Tim and Damian added in the mix
I would say Kons relationship with Jon would be more like Dick and Damian. It would depend on which gen Kon is from.
If Kon is a first gen sidekick alongside, Dick, Wally, Donna, and so on then he would be more of a responsible figure compared to if he was from Tims gen (gen 3 sidekicks)
Kon will always be Gen 3 to me. I was never much of a fan of him getting mixed in with other gens of sidekicks haha
At this point I think Kon has been put in to every gen. The latest movies have him alongside teen Damian. YJ tv show has him as gen 1 with Dick and Wally. His original version (which is a different character compared to t-shirt and jeans Kon) was gen 3. And I think he was from Jasons gen during some of the flashpoint movies.
They do the same thing with Kara where she floats between gens depending on the writer.
Personally I would go:
Gen 1: Kon
Gen 2 & 3: Kara
Gen 4: Jon or Lara
It makes the most sense that way.
If Cadmus had access to both male and female Kryptonian DNA they wouldn't have needed to genetically engineer Kon in the first place regardless of whose DNA they used, so Kara can't predate Kon. Kara would be next since she's a teen and would likely arrive on earth when Kal is already somewhere in his 30's.
Jon would be last since he's the youngest and would be born naturally (or the result of magic since Kryptonians and humans shouldn't be able to have kids together) and would need time to grow up AFTER Clark and Lois get married which is unlikely to happen while Clark is still in his early 20's and would most likely happen when Clark is closer to 30.
Johns-onward Conner has had little in common with pre-Johns Kon-El, he doesn't even look the same