It's a cynical comedy of errors instead of an inspiring space fantasy.
It has good camera work but terrible and inconsistent themes and is tone deaf, to the point of self parody, ignoring scenes that were cut for being absolutely baffling.
It's amateurish and the product of someone with an high and overrated self esteem and an utter contempt for the audience and the source material.
He didn't take it seriously, and it's just all gags and subversion for subversionism's sake. It's shitty as a SW film and it's extra shitty for the SW film it needed to be.
Central to Luke’s character as Hamill said is never giving up and being hopeful. Combine that with him wanting to redeem Vader who’s way more evil than Kylo and his character in TLJ makes no sense.
The making of documentary is fascinating, can see it on faces all around him. inbetween him asking people for advice seemingly to do the exact opposite to whatever they said for the lulz, and lying his ass off to Hamill and treating him like an asshole.
Yes. At one point he tells Hamill the title is "the last jedi" and bullshits him into thinking the movie is all about him. Didn't even tell him they were going to kill him off, he didn't find out until webm related.
The movie sucked, but not because of a casino planet. Star Wars has always had gambling. This dude is just some retarded costume designer. He's not commenting on the actual story.
The movie sucked, but not because of a casino planet. Star Wars has always had gambling. This dude is just some retarded costume designer. He's not commenting on the actual story.
Is correct. The bad part of the casino planet is not the casino per se. We have seen similar things in the prequels etc and one cannot assume the whole galaxy looks like a scrapyard.
The issue of the casino planet is how it was used, basically grinding the story to an halt in what should be the crucial middle episode of a trilogy, just to make a stupid point.
Most people cannot formulate what's wrong in what they FEEL is wrong, so they think "casino bad".
the casino planet doesn't fit with star wars aesthetically either. there's definitely ways to make a casino work in star wars but that's not what rian wanted which is the costume designer's whole complaint
it's the same problem with dexter jetsters diner in the prequels
I feel like you're just going to declare anything a buzzword.
But it radically changed the trajectory of Luke's character with a very poor and stretched explanation. TFA did the same thing with Han. That isn't to say that either character's path is unbelievable, it is. But it doesn't make sense from where we last saw them in RotJ. Without more information it feels forced and unnatural. The movie poorly sold Luke's path, which was surprising since Rian Johnson was supposed to be this stellar director.
Also I don't care if this next part is a "buzzword" or not, but the saber toss was a fuck you to the audience after all the buildup to have Luke back. Worst part in any bit of Star Wars media.
Mitigated Finn to a “bumbling fool who causes disaster everywhere he goes” plot instead of a “disgraced former Stormtrooper comes to terms with his new life while developing spiritual / Jedi awareness.”
he specifically turned her away because she was like "make me jedi :DDD" though after he was completely disillusioned by the jedi, which is kinda weird because if anyone should know that the dark side is tempting it would be luke but idk i havent seen the movie since it came out so
It's a massive waste of fucking time. Nothing happens of consequence and the cast ends up exactly where they started at the beginning of the movie. No one grows, no one changes, and the story isn't developed beyond Luke getting disposed of. Rian couldn't even commit to the "ideas" everyone jerks off because by the end of the movie they're all rolled back anyway, by him! No matter what happened in the next movie Rian perfectly set it up that if you didn't watch it you'd miss literally nothing.
There is a 0.0 chance the kind of violence the first order visited upon the galaxy would not have been met with overwhelming force from everyone everywhere all at once. The minute they lit off that not-deathStar, every ship with a gun would have been after them. But no, we can't even get a fucking tank of gas out of anyone
It doesn't earn a single one of its rug-pulls.
Luke's character shift in particular is something that could easily be justified if we saw it happen, but instead we're just told. That's nowhere near enough
The movie needed to be like 80% Luke/Luke-Ben backstory to pull it off, and instead we get pointless new characters and some extensive Casino planet sideplot. It doesn't give a single shit about anything but getting Luke out of the story.
This. It's a bunch of fuckin c plots while the actual a plot is only vaguely alluded to. It's one of the longest star wars movies but you could cut everything with poe and finn and lose nothing. 2/3 of the fuckin movie is less than filler.
movie pretends to subvert expectations but ultimately plays it completely safe by ending in the same exact scenario we've known for 40+ years - empire with stormtroopers and tie fighters and star destroyers lead by bad red lightsaber guy faces off against plucky underdog rebellion with x-wings, millenium falcon and the last jedi in the galaxy, except for the 50 other surviving jedi we'll introduce in supplementary material
>but ultimately plays it completely safe by ending in the same exact scenario we've known for 40+ years
That's an excellent point.
Remember when Kylo offers to let Rey join him? She didn't hesitate for a second before refusing.
It's completely anemic whenever it comes keeping the status quo.
I could have forgiven some if he'd actually committed to that idea. Instead the movie completely shits the bed because for all his talk Rian has 0 faith in his own screenplays. (Which is earned tbqh his writing is bad).
You can tell JJ was down with killing Luke off all along, he just didn't want to touch it himself. Could have something something'd Luke back to be evil, even for TROS, but nope, resurrected Palpatine.
>why it's bad.
lol, just look at the state of star wars, everything fails and gets forgotten besides a couple of games, that homosexual had one fucking job, instead he crashed star wars into the ground with no survivors
C3PO had roughly 4 minutes of screentime around Rey and frens and then he has this pathetic, cringeworthy moment where he wants to see his "friends" one last time.
the amazing thing is that they could've improved luke's plot with very minor changes. his guilt could've simply been for failing to keep ben from turning evil - not for having pushed him to do it. hell, they could've had it the way they did in the final film but just not have luke turn on his lightsaber. just have ben roll over and see luke looking at it. there's a big difference between a passing thought of violence and actually taking a step towards murder by turning the fucking thing on
The characters don’t have any motivation or arc, especially in relationship to eachother. It’s a weird piece of crap.
Why does Rey want to go be a Jedi? What’s she doing in this movie? How is she relating to Kylo? Has the first order ever done anything to her? Does she have anything to gain from being around the rebellion? Is Poe her friend? These movies are so fucking weird.
i had an interesting realization a while back about one major reason why rey isn't nearly as compelling of a hero as luke - not once in her whole trilogy does she ever do anything *publicly* heroic. all of her actions are done in private where few if any people in the galaxy wpuld hear about them. her duels with kylo, etc, none of this would be know to the public at large. luke on the other hand blew up a planet killing superweapon in his very first movie and had a very well-attended award ceremony after (not to mention han). that makes it more plausible that he'd begin to have a legend built up around him. luke also killed the emperor after the guy had been dictator of the galaxy for 20 years - obviously people would notice. rey kills sheev like a week after his return. even jyn from rogue one had more public heroism when she gave her speech to the rebel leaders and forced their hand by going into battle unauthorized. if anything poe should have been the sequel trilogy hero, he destroyed the weapon that blew up like five planets at once.
Luke (and fuck, even Anakin) is motivated to do good things, and be helpful, because he knows it will benefit others. Rey isn't like this. Some things she does *can* be construed as being helpful to others, like when she's shooting TIE Fighters, but ultimately she still benefits from it. She never does anything 100% selfless. In that regard, she's a bit of a cunt compared to real Skywalkers. Nice arse though.
that's a good point, she's basically a background character in these movies while everybody else does the important shit. she's almost entirely absent from the main plot of the second one until she shows up at the end to be a hero and make some rocks float.
- It insults my intelligence with its contradictions and errors
- It's boring
- It's stupid
- It's nothing like Star Wars, aesthetically, tonally, or thematically
Its not bad its just mediocre and soulless like all the disney post Return of the Jedi media. Visually its up there with TFA and Rogue One as one of the most realistic star wars movies with a mix of practical and cgi. And John Williams Score is good. It just treads the same territory as Empire way too much and Finn and Poe have nothing important to do. The one potential good scene with Finn was ruined by the Asian girl. In retrospect now that we have objectively 1000x worse star wars crap like solo, rise of skywalker and the Obi Wan show its funny that THIS is the movie that made the fans chimp out
The setup by Jar Jar Abrams sucked balls, and there was no plan, plus Rian is a pathetic manchild with nothing to say. I cannot imagine how they could fuck it up more
stop using "subverting expectations" for literally anything that you didn't like. It's also ran to the ground and stopped meaning anything here long time ago. You sound like NPCs now
It's a cynical comedy of errors instead of an inspiring space fantasy.
It has good camera work but terrible and inconsistent themes and is tone deaf, to the point of self parody, ignoring scenes that were cut for being absolutely baffling.
It's amateurish and the product of someone with an high and overrated self esteem and an utter contempt for the audience and the source material.
He didn't take it seriously, and it's just all gags and subversion for subversionism's sake. It's shitty as a SW film and it's extra shitty for the SW film it needed to be.
Central to Luke’s character as Hamill said is never giving up and being hopeful. Combine that with him wanting to redeem Vader who’s way more evil than Kylo and his character in TLJ makes no sense.
it insults the audience by shitting on previous entries
Even Rians worker bees knew that he was shitting the bed hard with it.
The making of documentary is fascinating, can see it on faces all around him. inbetween him asking people for advice seemingly to do the exact opposite to whatever they said for the lulz, and lying his ass off to Hamill and treating him like an asshole.
Oh interesting. I'll have to watch this. Is this from the blu ray?
Yes. At one point he tells Hamill the title is "the last jedi" and bullshits him into thinking the movie is all about him. Didn't even tell him they were going to kill him off, he didn't find out until webm related.
You're shitting me. That is Mark Hamill finding out Luke dies in the movie???
Dude went on a crusade against the movie with as much as the mouse would let him get away. We should've listened...
I'll give Hamill this much, he is REALLY good at saying how much he hates the movie without saying how much he hates the movie.
It is.
He practically oozes "bad feeling about this" all through that documentary.
Holy heck, you can sense Hamill wanting to actually force choke someone
he legitimately looks like he's never been closer to strangling someone
Yes, it's great.
The movie sucked, but not because of a casino planet. Star Wars has always had gambling. This dude is just some retarded costume designer. He's not commenting on the actual story.
This anon
Is correct. The bad part of the casino planet is not the casino per se. We have seen similar things in the prequels etc and one cannot assume the whole galaxy looks like a scrapyard.
The issue of the casino planet is how it was used, basically grinding the story to an halt in what should be the crucial middle episode of a trilogy, just to make a stupid point.
Most people cannot formulate what's wrong in what they FEEL is wrong, so they think "casino bad".
the casino planet doesn't fit with star wars aesthetically either. there's definitely ways to make a casino work in star wars but that's not what rian wanted which is the costume designer's whole complaint
it's the same problem with dexter jetsters diner in the prequels
I feel like you're just going to declare anything a buzzword.
But it radically changed the trajectory of Luke's character with a very poor and stretched explanation. TFA did the same thing with Han. That isn't to say that either character's path is unbelievable, it is. But it doesn't make sense from where we last saw them in RotJ. Without more information it feels forced and unnatural. The movie poorly sold Luke's path, which was surprising since Rian Johnson was supposed to be this stellar director.
Also I don't care if this next part is a "buzzword" or not, but the saber toss was a fuck you to the audience after all the buildup to have Luke back. Worst part in any bit of Star Wars media.
its just shit
its not faithful to the actual traits of characters and doesn't actually feel like a star wars movie. Feels like it was made by an ai in retrospective
Mitigated Finn to a “bumbling fool who causes disaster everywhere he goes” plot instead of a “disgraced former Stormtrooper comes to terms with his new life while developing spiritual / Jedi awareness.”
NotMyLuke
he specifically turned her away because she was like "make me jedi :DDD" though after he was completely disillusioned by the jedi, which is kinda weird because if anyone should know that the dark side is tempting it would be luke but idk i havent seen the movie since it came out so
I think making Luke want to murder his nephew in his sleep was a bigger offense
No.
It's a massive waste of fucking time. Nothing happens of consequence and the cast ends up exactly where they started at the beginning of the movie. No one grows, no one changes, and the story isn't developed beyond Luke getting disposed of. Rian couldn't even commit to the "ideas" everyone jerks off because by the end of the movie they're all rolled back anyway, by him! No matter what happened in the next movie Rian perfectly set it up that if you didn't watch it you'd miss literally nothing.
There is a 0.0 chance the kind of violence the first order visited upon the galaxy would not have been met with overwhelming force from everyone everywhere all at once. The minute they lit off that not-deathStar, every ship with a gun would have been after them. But no, we can't even get a fucking tank of gas out of anyone
>Without using descriptors, describe this movie
Shut the fuck up tranny retard. It's bad because it sucks. Simple as.
It doesn't earn a single one of its rug-pulls.
Luke's character shift in particular is something that could easily be justified if we saw it happen, but instead we're just told. That's nowhere near enough
The movie needed to be like 80% Luke/Luke-Ben backstory to pull it off, and instead we get pointless new characters and some extensive Casino planet sideplot. It doesn't give a single shit about anything but getting Luke out of the story.
This. It's a bunch of fuckin c plots while the actual a plot is only vaguely alluded to. It's one of the longest star wars movies but you could cut everything with poe and finn and lose nothing. 2/3 of the fuckin movie is less than filler.
It's bad
movie pretends to subvert expectations but ultimately plays it completely safe by ending in the same exact scenario we've known for 40+ years - empire with stormtroopers and tie fighters and star destroyers lead by bad red lightsaber guy faces off against plucky underdog rebellion with x-wings, millenium falcon and the last jedi in the galaxy, except for the 50 other surviving jedi we'll introduce in supplementary material
>but ultimately plays it completely safe by ending in the same exact scenario we've known for 40+ years
That's an excellent point.
Remember when Kylo offers to let Rey join him? She didn't hesitate for a second before refusing.
It's completely anemic whenever it comes keeping the status quo.
I could have forgiven some if he'd actually committed to that idea. Instead the movie completely shits the bed because for all his talk Rian has 0 faith in his own screenplays. (Which is earned tbqh his writing is bad).
Rian Johnson did not show respect to the audience, instead made the entire movie about himself and his ego and his small penis.
Somehow, JJ Abrams returned...
The only monster worse than Rian
Sith master and apprentice
You can tell JJ was down with killing Luke off all along, he just didn't want to touch it himself. Could have something something'd Luke back to be evil, even for TROS, but nope, resurrected Palpatine.
>why it's bad.
lol, just look at the state of star wars, everything fails and gets forgotten besides a couple of games, that homosexual had one fucking job, instead he crashed star wars into the ground with no survivors
C3PO had roughly 4 minutes of screentime around Rey and frens and then he has this pathetic, cringeworthy moment where he wants to see his "friends" one last time.
wrong movie
the amazing thing is that they could've improved luke's plot with very minor changes. his guilt could've simply been for failing to keep ben from turning evil - not for having pushed him to do it. hell, they could've had it the way they did in the final film but just not have luke turn on his lightsaber. just have ben roll over and see luke looking at it. there's a big difference between a passing thought of violence and actually taking a step towards murder by turning the fucking thing on
The characters don’t have any motivation or arc, especially in relationship to eachother. It’s a weird piece of crap.
Why does Rey want to go be a Jedi? What’s she doing in this movie? How is she relating to Kylo? Has the first order ever done anything to her? Does she have anything to gain from being around the rebellion? Is Poe her friend? These movies are so fucking weird.
i had an interesting realization a while back about one major reason why rey isn't nearly as compelling of a hero as luke - not once in her whole trilogy does she ever do anything *publicly* heroic. all of her actions are done in private where few if any people in the galaxy wpuld hear about them. her duels with kylo, etc, none of this would be know to the public at large. luke on the other hand blew up a planet killing superweapon in his very first movie and had a very well-attended award ceremony after (not to mention han). that makes it more plausible that he'd begin to have a legend built up around him. luke also killed the emperor after the guy had been dictator of the galaxy for 20 years - obviously people would notice. rey kills sheev like a week after his return. even jyn from rogue one had more public heroism when she gave her speech to the rebel leaders and forced their hand by going into battle unauthorized. if anything poe should have been the sequel trilogy hero, he destroyed the weapon that blew up like five planets at once.
Luke (and fuck, even Anakin) is motivated to do good things, and be helpful, because he knows it will benefit others. Rey isn't like this. Some things she does *can* be construed as being helpful to others, like when she's shooting TIE Fighters, but ultimately she still benefits from it. She never does anything 100% selfless. In that regard, she's a bit of a cunt compared to real Skywalkers. Nice arse though.
that's a good point, she's basically a background character in these movies while everybody else does the important shit. she's almost entirely absent from the main plot of the second one until she shows up at the end to be a hero and make some rocks float.
its just not an interesting movie
- It insults my intelligence with its contradictions and errors
- It's boring
- It's stupid
- It's nothing like Star Wars, aesthetically, tonally, or thematically
Its not bad its just mediocre and soulless like all the disney post Return of the Jedi media. Visually its up there with TFA and Rogue One as one of the most realistic star wars movies with a mix of practical and cgi. And John Williams Score is good. It just treads the same territory as Empire way too much and Finn and Poe have nothing important to do. The one potential good scene with Finn was ruined by the Asian girl. In retrospect now that we have objectively 1000x worse star wars crap like solo, rise of skywalker and the Obi Wan show its funny that THIS is the movie that made the fans chimp out
holdo maneuver
The setup by Jar Jar Abrams sucked balls, and there was no plan, plus Rian is a pathetic manchild with nothing to say. I cannot imagine how they could fuck it up more
stop using "subverting expectations" for literally anything that you didn't like. It's also ran to the ground and stopped meaning anything here long time ago. You sound like NPCs now