Wolverine proves Marvel is full of hyporcrital wimps(Spider-Man, most Avengers, FF) who need a mass murderer to do things that won't and deep dow...

Wolverine proves Marvel is full of hyporcrital wimps(Spider-Man, most Avengers, FF) who need a mass murderer to do things that won't and deep down think Logan is right.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure there's a panel where Logan stabs her and disproves thus fricking panel somewhere. Oh and hes still murder happy in killing kids for of they're big threats. The xmen also has grown in using lethal force nowadays compared to their naive idealistic days.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Oh and hes still murder happy in killing kids for of they're big threats.
        When did he do that?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hope Summers?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          uncanny x-force mission to take out kid apocalypse

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The same mission that left even Deadpool disgusted IIRC.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Never

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The xmen also has grown in using lethal force nowadays compared to their naive idealistic days.
        Movie synergy....

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cringe preachy shit

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The truth is superhero comics are for kids and teaching kids not to kill is a generally good message but for most comic supervillains, they'd be better off dead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Superhero comics are not for children and havent been for many many many decades.

      It's for creepers and a way to keep an IP alive. And now a way to help push the social engineering that a few powerful people want to indoctrinate the "new audience" with.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >le social engineering
        /pol/tards are so fricking stupid. You can't even imagine how much blood is on America's hands. Or Isreal's. There is not a push for less murder by le heckin israeliteerinos.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But you can't kill off popular characters in Marvel/DC permanently. The companies wont allow it.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This still doesn't fricking justify them trying to frick over Frank Castle.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Back when Wolverine was properly written, he was scary. Most of his own teammates didn't trust that he wouldn't snap and gut them too.
    It wasn't that they disliked his killing, it was that they couldn't be sure he'd only kill the bad guys. It's why Storm, Nightcrawler and Colossus being nice to him was always so powerful to see and it illustrated their innate goodness.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah that sounds like revisionist bullshit.
      I read Claremont's X-Men and Ultimate X-Men.
      In Claremon there's a panel where Wolverine has an intrusive thought to not save Cyclops and let him die, but quickly brushes it aside.
      In Ultimate he actually does that and abandons Cyclops to die at some point.
      Guess which Wolverine is more likable.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ultimate characters were mostly a bunch of edgy gays and a poor reflections of their classic selfs.
        Cyclops in the very first arc defects to Magneto because of Jean's pussy.
        Let's not even talk about Magneto.
        One of the few that ended in a nice spot was unironically Beast, even with his chatting with Blob.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Let's not even talk about Magneto.
          Ultimate Magneto pretends his family were killed in "one of the humans' periodic genocides".
          You instantly assume he has the same origin as in the normal comics and the movies.
          He's actually lying, he's from a rich Texan family who cut ties with him when he got into mutant terrorism.

          As a subverted expectations thing you could only get away with in an AU, it works well enough, and unlike 616 and the movies they never loses sight of the fact the man is a mass-murdering villain who someone's eventually going to have to put down.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >who need a mass murderer to do things that won't and deep down think Logan is right
    Except that's wrong. It's less that some superheroes thinks its wrong to believe that certain villains need to die, many of them wish some villains were dead, and more of the fact that it's only Wolverine that makes it routine to kill everyone between him and those supervillains. He makes killing look so casual and easy that it rightfully unnerves people, when everyone who are just as capable if not far more capable of wholesale slaughter have a far more modest body count than him. Thor has been alive for thousands of years, could easily flash fry entire armies, and can rend opponents limb from limb barehanded as he's done in his younger, ignorant, and more brash days, yet chooses to dial things down while he's on Earth so as not to cause unnecessary harm and to not scare the shit out of people. Captain America can easily kill a full grown man with a punch, can slice through droves of them with a throw of his shield, and has both the training and experience of someone who knows war and killed his share of enemy combatants, yet still very rarely kills, and reserves that option for SHTF situations.

    The difference between those two examples and Wolverine is that they treat killing like it's something that shouldn't be dished out so easily and brazenly. They'll absolutely end a motherfricker if the situation calls for it, but they also understand the responsibility of the power they've been granted.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He makes killing look so casual and easy that it rightfully unnerves people, when everyone who are just as capable if not far more capable of wholesale slaughter have a far more modest body count than him.

      I doubt Logan has more a body count than Thor and Ghost Rider. And they always justify logan on teams because they want a clean or surgical strike on certain enemies that are to elusive to go and open combat him or her, so based on that, they do support his killing. Spidey secretly is okay with killing because hes human and will use lethal means to stop someone a threat to his family or as a last resort. He just doesn't want to admit it and scolds Wolverine for something he is denial not admitting he'd do the same because he believes in the goodness of others. I think heroes who don't kill are idiots because they aren't aware that when supervillains are deadlier than due process and can wipe out cities easily, they become self appointed solders like Cap and should understand things like killing is always a certainty.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I doubt Logan has more a body count than Thor and Ghost Rider
        Modern day Thor explicitly holds himself back while on Earth and is a god with thousands of years of battles over Wolverine, Ghost Rider is a spirit far older than that, of course they'd have a higher body count that Wolverine just by virtue of how long they've been around. The difference is that they both parse their targets for lethal violence with more distinction and reservation than Wolverine. This still doesn't address how people with just as capable, or greater, means of lethally handling their enemies than Wolverine can still display a far greater deal of restraint of simply not engaging in a bloodbath.
        >And they always justify logan on teams because they want a clean or surgical strike on certain enemies that are to elusive to go and open combat him or her, so based on that, they do support his killing.
        That was the bullshit excuse that Iron Man used to have their own pet psychopath that won't think twice about killing on the team so he won't have to feel bad about it. The real, meta, reason was that Bendis wanted him on the team because he wanted to write him, despite being on a team full of people that would explicitly not be cool with such casual murder.
        >Spidey secretly is okay with killing because hes human and will use lethal means to stop someone a threat to his family or as a last resort.
        Him having feelings about it and actually doing it are two different things. The difference between him and Wolverine is that he'll relent despite his desires to want someone dead, while Wolverine's semblance of self-control has been out of order for like his entire life.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want a comprehensive list of how many villains (including henchmen) the non-Wolverine X-Men have deliberately killed (regardless of them coming back later)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I said this in the last thread of this nature, but back when he was written well, Wolverine wasn't just a cold-blooded killer. He was the type of man that gave what he got. Come at him with a sword, and he'd meet you with a sword. Show mercy, he'd return the favor. Wolverine didn't enjoy killing, but if you threatened him or the people he's protecting, he would have no problem ending your life.

      Wolverine stopped being a good character in the 2000s, when writers reduced him from an honorable warrior with anger issues to a sadomasochistic, horny psychopath with a disassociative disorder.

      Jean Grey has a higher kill count than people give her credit for, even without the Phoenix numbers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wolverine stopped being a good character in the 2000s

        Isn't this true for the whole of X-Men comics? It was already an unruly beast but in the 2000's, once the movies hit it big, there was a clear abandonment of any semblance of quality.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >frank youre a monster let me beat the shit out of you, you'll never be an Avenger
    >black widow, Wolverine and Redditpool?no problem welcome to the Avengers
    comics dont make sense

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Punisher, you're an unstable mess that doesn't know right from wrong despite showing that you've taken painstaking steps and plans to ensure innocents aren't harmed in your hits and too kill-happy for our tastes, you're not a good fit and never will be.
      >Redditpool/Wolverine, you both have a history of being unstable messes with fits of mental breaks that have killed people under extremely dubious circumstances, but we'll give you a shot, because you guys seem like you have room for improvement.
      Anyone have that page of Captain America telling Wolverine that he'll never be an Avenger because he's a lethally violent hothead?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >despite showing that you've taken painstaking steps and plans to ensure innocents aren't harmed in your hits
        He flat out killed villains willing to help Cap during Civil War. Not hard to see why a group that has a tendency to accept reformed villains wouldn't want to deal with Frank's shit.

        Had that psychopath got his way Wanda and Quicksilver would've been long dead. So no, he DOESN'T know right from wrong, he just deludes himself into believing otherwise.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Frank, you're a psychopath and completely depressing to be around, but your attitude is disciplined and reminds me of a more cynical me back in the day as a straight forward solider who takes no gruff and falls in line, as long as you follow orders. Welcome to the Avengers.
        > Logan and Wade, you're not as extreme as Frank, but you're wild and impulsive callousness will get the team in trouble more often than not, your renegade ways are not dependable, one of you is a ruthless animalistic berserker who attracks trouble and has rudely made it known you want it, plus you have bad odor. Wade, your like a more irreverent version of Spider-Man who's instability and tendency to be a reckless trigger happy degenerate is making me want to put you in a mental institution and take your firing rights away. You two are a disgrace in what it means to be Avengers

        What cap would say if he weren't written by morons who want Cap to accept low brow catering characters who draw in the types who like call of duty and fornite

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but your attitude is disciplined
          Lol.
          >and reminds me of a more cynical me back in the day as a straight forward solider who takes no gruff and falls in line, as long as you follow orders.
          LMAO.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine has a costume more fitting a bird than a wolverine

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Logan has never been right, he is a berserk murdering moron when violence is unnecesary and a hypocrite moralist when it IS necesary, thats why he is unable to function whitout an actual thinkling person leading him such as cyke, storm or cap

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Logan barely even kills

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's like the most notorious killer in Marvel, more than most supervillains.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unless I'm wrong Marvel doesn't keep a vague, but canon, body count on Wolverine, while they insist on keeping one for Punisher which is around 2000 confirmed kills in police reports, so the ones they are keeping track of.

        Obviously there are plenty of supervillains that have killed way more (Magneto has at least 6 digits) but Marvel doesn't bother keeping a count for them, Frank has one to make a point that he is a murderer that murder other murderers.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine is basically a sanitised version of the Punisher who the other heroes can actually keep on a leash and reason with. And personally I like that as his role in the superhero community - the guy who's willing and able to do the things everyone else won't admit to wanting to do. My favourite era of Scott-Logan relations was when Scott basically had him as his attack dog for shit he didn't want the X-Men linked to.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't, because it makes other characters seem like moral cowards rather than having any sort of conviction, siccing a bloodthirsty psycho on someone because they can't go through with the act themselves.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Spider-Man

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remember that time Peter and Logan fought and Peter accidentally killed a lady

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine at least back in the early days of his ongoing with Claremont at the helm was trying to be honorable and enact justice (also that the X-Men killed as a last resort)

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any young girls ITT in need of tutoring?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is Wolverine nowadays?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only time when superheroes like Spiderman have absolute nokill rules are when someone wants to wank a character like Punisher (like Daredevil in Ennis' run) and portrays the hero as an absolute moron to do so
    Spiderman's archrival literally died during their confrontation, remained dead for decades and Peter didn't lose a second of sleep over that, it was the fact he was too late that haunted him. He is ABSOLUTELY willing to kill motherfrickers who need killing, it's just that his villains are tough as hell bastards who are difficult to kill. This isn't a Joker situation, YOU try to kill Carnage as a street-level superhero.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >YOU try to kill Carnage as a street-level superhero.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Firestar is way above street level

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not to mention Carnage is more durable to heat and sonic attacks than Venom

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >YOU try to kill Carnage as a street-level superhero.

      Not to mention Carnage is more durable to heat and sonic attacks than Venom

      Oh people have "killed" him, they just don't stick.
      Also Carnage has faced two Venoms who don't have a no kill rule, Deadpool, and Kaine, he's also 3-0 with Wolverine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He has never, not even fricking once, tried to kill any of his villains. Norman’s been locked up, beaten senseless and helpless so many fricking times and peter does nothing but arrest him, yet cries like a baby if anyone tries to kill him, same with Carnage. The only time he has ever died was when he stabbed himself, not because peter has ever tried.
      Norman’s a weak fricking pussy too, every single fight they have he gets the tar and teeth beaten out of him and starts grovelling and crying on tbe ground like a b***h begging for peter not to hurt him. Even after fricking Dark Reign. And how many times has peter murdered him, when he was helpless and he so easily could have? Zero. Peter saves him every time.
      Holy jesus stop self-inserting you manbaby. Kingpin killed Aunt May and didn’t see a day in jail or a day of afterlife. Even when peter the shitty generic self-insert is getting edgewanked like you manbabies want in ‘Origin of the Species’ he saves every single villain involved after they kidnap and kill little children. He saved every single one of them.

      You spidermanchildren are the utmost delusional self-inserters I have ever seen. Peter Porker has the gaygiest no-kill-rule in all of marvel, and he always fricking has.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are hundreds of comics about this very premise. Almost every X-Factor issue ever makes a similar point about killer characters vs non-lethal ones.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hasn't logan pulled the "killing is only fine when I do it" bullshit multiple times? He would be the first person getting mad if the other heroes pulled the shit he does

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's also said, "You should try killing more" to guys like Spider-Man, and on one occasion IIRC, Captain America and Thor. It's like what anon said in

      Logan has never been right, he is a berserk murdering moron when violence is unnecesary and a hypocrite moralist when it IS necesary, thats why he is unable to function whitout an actual thinkling person leading him such as cyke, storm or cap

      , they try to make the character seem like they're the one that should shoulder everybody's burden to kill so that they can keep their soul clean or some garbage, but then turn around and have him tell other characters that they're not doing enough killing and are wasting their time by not simply wasting the enemy at any given opportunity.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ... Did he really tell Thor to kill more?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pic related, the dumbest shit is that he's said it to two war veterans, one of which is thousands of years old and was annihilating entire armies before he learned humility and restraint of his own powers, and a guy who did fight in a war and killed enemy soldiers when he had to, but treats superhero work as a kind of law enforcement task, where the idea is to not murder everyone and everything, but apparently being an off-the-cuff murderhobo is the ideal or something because they didn't even let Captain America reply with something along the lines of, "Yes, you little psycho, good soldiers don't go off the reservation to do their own Dirty Harry kind of bullshit and not tell everyone else what's going on, because those actions are punishable by any military worth a dip" or Thor say "Nay, you fricking animal, I don't kill just because it's well within my power to do so."

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We already know your unsolicited opinions on Israel, smelly manlet, you don't need to go posting on mongolian basketweaving forums to make yourself sound cool

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate when Cap is written like Superman. He is a superhero but he is also a soldier, there's no fricking way he hasn't killed at least a few dozen, did he simply knock out and capture every enemy in WW2?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, his official capacity as Captain America was as a secret agent (yes, really), so he had more choice on whether to kill or not than others. I think the official word is that yeah, he's a soldier and officially killed enemy combatants, but he acknowledges that it was wartime and that extending mercy no matter what would be suicidal.

        He has never, not even fricking once, tried to kill any of his villains. Norman’s been locked up, beaten senseless and helpless so many fricking times and peter does nothing but arrest him, yet cries like a baby if anyone tries to kill him, same with Carnage. The only time he has ever died was when he stabbed himself, not because peter has ever tried.
        Norman’s a weak fricking pussy too, every single fight they have he gets the tar and teeth beaten out of him and starts grovelling and crying on tbe ground like a b***h begging for peter not to hurt him. Even after fricking Dark Reign. And how many times has peter murdered him, when he was helpless and he so easily could have? Zero. Peter saves him every time.
        Holy jesus stop self-inserting you manbaby. Kingpin killed Aunt May and didn’t see a day in jail or a day of afterlife. Even when peter the shitty generic self-insert is getting edgewanked like you manbabies want in ‘Origin of the Species’ he saves every single villain involved after they kidnap and kill little children. He saved every single one of them.

        You spidermanchildren are the utmost delusional self-inserters I have ever seen. Peter Porker has the gaygiest no-kill-rule in all of marvel, and he always fricking has.

        That's more a matter of the writers/editors not letting Peter Parker kill for the sake of keeping the brand up than him being too much of a wuss to. He'll snap arms, beat people into comas, rip faces off, allow villains to suffer the consequences of their own plans backfiring on them, and all kinds of nasty shit, but it'd hardly do for one of their mascots to outright kill the villains.

        >Kingpin killed Aunt May and didn’t see a day in jail or a day of afterlife
        Dude was already IN jail when he had that hit planned, moron, that was the whole point of the sequence of Spider-Man breaking into jail and then kicking him in the dick while naked, and they weren't going to bother letting Peter kill Kingpin when they already had One More Day planned out to reverse Aunt May's death

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You guys act like Logan kills innocent people. He deals with the fricking Hand for god's sake.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's been mind controlled a few times and kill innocent people.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC, there was that time he murdered Nuke's father and mistress and kidnapped Nuke to be turned into what he is now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was wrong, he didn't kill them both, he just murdered the mistress but basically left it up to Frank's dad to commit suicide in fear of being accused of her murder, sill counts though.
        >Dilllon

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was wrong, he didn't kill them both, he just murdered the mistress but basically left it up to Frank's dad to commit suicide in fear of being accused of her murder, sill counts though.
            >Dilllon

            Look like Frank did it

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Steve Dillon is one of, if not the most famous example of sameface. The side burns are the biggest giveaway that it's not Frank.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They've been Franked

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine usually knows not to kill (maybe maim) the dude selling pot on corner of the street and can be convinced to let someone go on the promise they might do better. hell that's pretty much every avenger that kills like Natasha.

    Frank doesn't give a shit he only wants to kill people for even the smallest of shit.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who fricking cares if a character kills or not, no one stays dead in comics. How did we go from in-depth discussion of deeper themes in comics to this trivial shit?

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I get killing when trying to protect people, but why would the immortal guy be so slash-happy when regular guys attack him since he's not in any real danger?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's a feral animal who has successfully managed to cosplay as a human for a while. It's part of his characterization.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much this. There's been stories where he addressed this. He hates what he's become, but he gives into his berserker rage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he has shown restraint many times

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, when he was a character.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It only made sense back when they turned him into some kind of immortal, back when getting shot by a random thug was something that could kill him if he didn't have enough time to walk it off and heal. It doesn't make sense now where they changed it so anything short of decapitation, drowning, or vaporization can't permanently kill him.

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