I'm rewatching the Hobbit movies after only seeing them once in theaters(and from my recollection not being that fond of them) and it's kind of baffling to me how many parts are just weird, a lot of which I never see brought up on Cinemaphile, I guess because they faded from everyone else's memory as well. Like Thrain's fricking obnoxious Wilhelm scream at what is supposed to be a somewhat sad death, or the geriatrics vs Nazgul fight, Smaug's overacting, etc. I want a thread about all the forgotten terrible moments of the Hobbit trilogy. Please post some of your favorites
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i have a lot of fond memories of an unexpected journey
Supposedly, before they made it into three films, the first film was essentially the same as the final cut. The second was expanded into two, which is why they're so shit in comparison.
I like the parts in the Shire
Nobody discusses it because it's too much, it's too flawed
Casting, CGI, make-up, writing, etc.
This. it's widely considered to be mid to awful and with so many flaws that are so obvious it's not even worth discussing. What would be worth discussing would be the supposed studio interference that arguably led to it being in the shit state it's in.
Makeup was fine, you miserable sperg.
They probably did a good job but all the practical effects looked off in that weird format
For me, it's the go pro shots in the river barrels
Watch the Lindsay Ellis documentary.
>all the forgotten terrible moments of the Hobbit trilogy
It's all terrible
/thread
the hobbit was great. the dwarves were awesome. cgi was good enough and i dont care about whatever. my worst moment was realizing that people dont appreciate jackson the kinomaster and worship him like the god that he is and just give him billions to make fantasy movies 24/7.
I agree with you OP. I had completly forgotten that Thrain was in the movie at all. When he was killed, all I could think is how distastefull it felt. The movies have some great moments though; Bilbo and Gollum and Bilbo and Smaug come to mind.
If you watch the theatrical cut, you'll find he isn't in that movie at all, and it doesn't skip a beat without him.
The twenty minutes action sequence that involves the dwarves casting a giant statue of solid gold with a solid exterior and molten exterior which the dragon crashes into and suffers fourth degree burns* while the dwarves surf on waves of molten gold through the corridors of under mountain
the exterior cools faster.
They went too offscript from Tolkien, should have been two movies following the book as close as possible. Trying to recreate Lord of the Rings was disgustingly money prostitutey. Also the Dwarves ranged from perfect designs to "teenage girls must market our movie with youtube edits" stuff.
If they followed the book as closely as possible it would have been one 90 minute film like the Rankin and Bass version (which is infinitely better) Considering that this was the studio's last chance to cash in on the IP it's not a shock they wanted to drag it out but in retrospect I blame Jackson almost as much as the execs. They just wanted more movies, he's the one who let his supremely overconfident wife write 7 hours of fluff.
These could have been tight 2 hour or less movies with a few extra scenes not in the books but still from official lore like the Dol Guldur stuff (which I'm mostly ok with) and instead they just went apeshit adding in completely extraneous stuff and dragging everything out as long as possible...why? Why add a whole Laketown subplot about a corrupt mayor and his crosdressing assistant that adds 20 minutes of nothing? Why tack on all that shit to Bard's story when no one felt the original version was lacking? And we know why they added the Tauriel love triangle but it was still incongruous fanfic. You could trim 4 hours out of that trilogy and not only lose nothing but greatly improve it. And the studio would have been fine with 2 hour cuts. That just means less postproduction costs and more screenings per day. So he wasn't being compelled to make them so long. I don't know why he made those films the way he did
Yeah I agree. Every movie has executive jackoffs looking for a cash grab but Peter went way to far into his own stuff. You have so much trash just fitted in which is such a whiplash when you get to actual Tolkien moments where you feel the Jackson good side coming through. The most egregious script frickup to me was hiring frankly perfect actors for the background Dwarves then cutting their lines to give to oc's, Jackson and his shit crew getting those old guys to go through makeup just to say not today and give the time to an actress who didn't want to do a love triangle and an actor who was treated as a sex object by production is the main thing which kills Jackson's career to me personally. Then again he looked like a corpse at the end of it so you have to feel sympathy for him on a human level but what a frick up.
Peter Jackson should have scrapped what was there and rebuilt it from the ground up, I dont blame him for what the movie became but it was dog shit
>Please post some of your favorites
Pic related. It's so moronic that I almost shut the movie off the first time I saw it. It's obviously in the movie to create a ''WOW EPIC'' moment for all the manchildren, but to everyone else it's just moronic. Why even have a spear shield formation if the elves decides to jump over it? This moment just shits all over Tolkien's legacy.
He wouldn't have been allowed to do that. They were already extremely late in the process when he came in to try and salvage it.
I like the extended versions of the hobbit movies and I don’t really mind that they took a more childish lighthearted approach than the original LOTR trilogy.
The hobbit book is mostly nonsense filler anyway so it fits that the movies are too.
But we can all agree the Wilhelm scream is horribly misplaced, right? It's supposed to be a sad and dramatic scene, and it just takes you right out of it. They made the right call taking it out of the theatrical cut.
Yeah a lot of the extended scenes are undercooked but overall they make the movies more enjoyable and adds a lot of context to scenes that seemed out of place in the theatrical versions
> Smaug's overacting
Smaug was super smug in the books, so I thought that was fine
i forgot about everything else
This, the performance script for Smaug is fine. The problem is he’s just too big.nwdnh
but at least he was a dragon instead of a wyrm, so they didnt frick it up completely
>dragon instead of a wyrm
smaug is supposed to be a wyrm, the book literally describes him as a wyrm
the movie turned him into a wyvern.
This fricker is WAY, WAY worse than Jar Jar Binks
>he was a good friend
Alfrid was pure kino
It's interesting how little Smaug is in the actual book. Bilbo has 2 short interactions with him and none of the dwarves even meet him in the book.
They kind of blend together in my mind, with long stupid fight scenes. In retrospect, King Kong 2005 was a warning sign that Peter Jackson wasn't the cinematic genius everyone thought he was.
>48fps 3D
Looked like ass in the theater. I'm very happy the 3D-fad died.
That said, the first Hobbit is not horrible and has a lot of good things in it, unfortunately there's just as much bad.
Baffling mishandling of a franchise.
They exist
Why didn't eagles just uber people around whenever someone needs to be somewhere?
Is the hobbit better or worse than movies like deathstalker or hundra?
Worse by far, Hobbit had a good book to draw from, a huge budget, and a director capable of making good films.
I love this movie.
It would've been completely fine if they just did more practical effects and also made it less fakey looking due to greenscreen and postproduction.
The worst offender is the albino orc that just looks annoying and it's hard to take him seriously when it's apparent he's just a cgi construct and not "there".
Way too much of the movie feels entirely fake in the same way and the ubiquitous cgi just ends up looking mundane and even annoying to look at.
>It would've been completely fine if they just did more practical effects
They didn't have the time for practical effects as soon as Del Toro abandoned the project.
>Thrain's fricking obnoxious Wilhelm scream at what is supposed to be a somewhat sad death
He wasn't even in the theatrical version, for the better I think
I like the first one ok, it's comfy here and there. Second one is completely forgettable and the third one is just nonstop embarrassing trash that is aggressively bad
It really just needed to be a two parter.
The Hobbit is watching Jackson jerking off on a pile of money, filmed. Now you can say he had no time for writing, but it shows his instincts for writing mostly garbage from his splatstick roots.
>Smaug's overacting
This is stuck in my mind too. It is weird that everyone is like "OMG cumberbatch, what a great motion performance!!!!1!" when he's really, really, REALLY bad.
He's part overacting on some of the worst dialogue in the series, part overrated CGI with Bilbo poorly photoshopped in for good measure