checked. i always thought it was a combination of feeling slightly humiliated that someone has to chew his food for him because he’s too weak to take a bite, and that he’s touched that someone would do that for him.
I think it was one of those moments when you're overwhelmed by multiple different emotions at the same time, so you react with crying. He was happy to by alive, embarassed for being fed like a child, and also probably in a lot of pain.
He was also still cursed so he believed that his last chance for preventing his own death was over since the spirit cured his bullet wound not the curse.
And probably emotionally dumping that he got kicked out of his village and is probably going to die from a curse. It really is just a moment of everything hitting him at once while in a vulnerable state.
I rewatched Mononoke yesterday. While the movie is just as great as it was in my childhood, the ending wasn't as great as I remembered, and the story falls apart.
>Eboshi, Emperor and the other samurai lord all get away with all the evil they caused >Moro, actually the best character in the movie, does almost nothing of importance besides saving San in the end, 50% of her screentime is just dying >San and Ashitaka have this weird ending scene, that feels like Miyazaki didn't want to commit to anything and just wanted to keep the status quo >Movie makes it clear Ashikata's village is dying out and it's terrible for him to leave, for some reason he doesn't go back and fix it >the whole 'bro trees are back, everything is fine' tone
They fricked up the ending. It shoud be more decisive, and Eboshi should've died.
Miyazaki poured all that effort into presenting Eboshi as a nuanced, complex character with a lot of extremely justifiable character motives for the sole intention of presenting a complex image of the world of the movie that isn't two tides of black and white contrasting eachother and you ignored all of that and still view her as the big bad? sorry bro but you got filtered.
>lady Eboshi, the evil samurai is attacking your town that is defended only by women! >eh they'll be fine, I have to hunt for the emperor now
There you go, really deep, complex character that just filtered you.
>Here, on 2022, the only way to defend your house... Is dig a deep as frick hole that reaches magma, and make a lava-based moat!
Build bigger walls with the fricking trees, instead of using them to power the furnaces to smelt iron (that you also have to extract) to make guns
isn't it clear that he was exiled from his tribe due to the corruption? like they can't even look at him when he leaves. sad but he's a leader and respects his tribes traditions.
Your childhood is not to far back?
No seriously, all your criticism is stupid. You criticizing him for not going the Hollywood route.
Ashikata can't just go back, why do think all the elders were so upset about him leaving? Everybody knew, that he is gone forever. >bro trees are back, everything is fine
No, the god i dead it will never be like before.
>Ashikata can't just go back, why do think all the elders were so upset about him leaving? Everybody knew, that he is gone forever.
Why? He left to find cure for his curse, nothing was said about him not being allowed to come back. >bro trees are back, everything is fine >No, the god i dead it will never be like before.
Yes that's my point, the movie makes it look like everything is fine because the greenery has returned, but it's clearly not.
>Eboshi, Emperor and the other samurai lord all get away with all the evil they caused
Eboshi's powerbase is destroyed and she's hit rock bottom again. without her iron industry the samurai just dont care anymore >Moro, actually the best character in the movie,
agreed >does almost nothing of importance besides saving San in the end, 50% of her screentime is just dying
go take a fist sized bullet to your keybone, anon. at least she took revenge on Eboshi >San and Ashitaka have this weird ending scene, that feels like Miyazaki didn't want to commit to anything and just wanted to keep the status quo
they've gone through hell together but in the end they're very different people still. Ashitaka promises to visit though >Movie makes it clear Ashikata's village is dying out and it's terrible for him to leave, for some reason he doesn't go back and fix it
he can't, their laws forbid it because of the boar's curse. thats why he had to leave in the first place >the whole 'bro trees are back, everything is fine' tone
yes but the spirit of the forest, the boar tribes and the wolf clan are done for. the ancient world dies another little piece at a time and the world of man takes its place
>Eboshi's powerbase is destroyed and she's hit rock bottom again. without her iron industry the samurai just dont care anymore
She will just rebuild everything? Even Ashitaka says he will stay at ironworks, this implies they will just start again. Sure it's setback, but the movie makes it seem like she has happy ending, being surrounded by her subjects.
>they've gone through hell together but in the end they're very different people still. Ashitaka promises to visit though
My impression is that movie makes it cleart that they're actually very similar people. Both are from very isolated tribes of people, both have very close relantionship to nature and spiritism, both have similar morals, both are 'young leaders' of their tribes. I get it, they maybe won't be able to live together, but it definietly feels very cold for both of them to just say 'bye, see you later'.
>he can't, their laws forbid it because of the boar's curse. thats why he had to leave in the first place
Fair enought, but it's really stupid he can't return after getting rid of the curse. It's basically just one old man saying 'Oh pity you have go away and can't return.' This just seems like lazy writing. Maybe if they didn't have such moronic laws they wouldn't be dying out.
>yes but the spirit of the forest, the boar tribes and the wolf clan are done for. the ancient world dies another little piece at a time and the world of man takes its place
That was my point, I didn't make it clear enought I guess. The ending makes it look like happy ending, but it really isn't if you were rooting for the Deer God. This leads me back to first point. It's actually pretty dark ending if you think of it - humans won, gods of forest lost. Humans will just move onto another location to do same thing.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the movie, it's just the ending that rubs me off
you're beyond fricking moronic. i pity the mattress that has to bear the weight of your ass
There was no ending. Miyazaki clearly couldn't think of a proper ending for whatever reason so he just left it entirely open like a lazy piece of shit. Rest of the movie is great but there is no fricking ending.
I'm probably the only person in the world who appreciates PM to the fullest.
The samurai get away with what? They got slaughtered by Eboshi's guns. Eboshi is not an evil woman, she is just a human with ambition. The emperor is a named only character, but he's the emperor, what did you want? Another act where Ashitaka assassinates him for hiring Jigo?
Moro got shot and made it her mission to kill Eboshi for revenge. She spends the rest of the film saving her strength because she is fighting the poison that got to Nago. She ends up not killing Eboshi, but taking her arm instead, which I think is probably the only real flaw of the film. Outside of the film, it is more appealing for Eboshi to become redeemed by the end. Inside, I don't see any reason for Moro not to have crushed Eboshi in her jaws. Moro doesn't know Eboshi takes care or brothel girls, or the lepers, or that bunches of people depend upon her ambitions.
You're thinking too Hollywood. There is no blatant romance between Ashitaka and San. Ashitaka was smitten with San's beauty at first sight, but San returns none of his feelings because she's busy trying to survive. They didn't have time to build anything, and San concludes with >Ashitaka, you mean so much to me, but I can't forgive the humans for what they've done.
It's not about being non-committal, it's the circumstances.
Ashitaka gave his sister's dagger to San. He was not thinking of his village any longer.
The tone is far more bittersweet than you are saying. There is a particular piano note hit right before San remarks about the forest spirit being dead that hammers it home. But beyond that, the forest spirit is dead, the boars are dead, Okoto is dead, Moro is dead; it is not a happy ending.
>The samurai get away with what? They got slaughtered by Eboshi's guns. Eboshi is not an evil woman, she is just a human with ambition. The emperor is a named only character, but he's the emperor, what did you want? Another act where Ashitaka assassinates him for hiring Jigo?
The samurai lord is off-screen character that only exists in the story to create conflict for conflicts sake. Which is fine, but it bothers me that there's a character that just starts battles for no apparent reason, gets tons of people killed, and gets away with it.
Emperor ordered Deer Gods death. Eboshi notes something about Emperor believeing thathg Deer Gods head can cure disease. Plus I think Emperor could stop the war between samurai and Eboshi, but didn't, because warlords fighting each other secures his position. Again, he got away with everyhting.
They're both just side characters, but they're both responsible for violence and evil happening in the movie.
It's a very interesting thought and I'm glad you shared it anon. Especially when you consider Miyazaki's public anti-American sentiment since forever, yet here in PM we have two named characters, Lord Asano and the Emperor, who do not receive any comeuppance whatsoever for perpetuating senseless violence in the film. I'm trying to rationalize it as Miyazaki saying something something powers that be are too big to get to but nothing in the narrative supports that. What a shame.
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Anonymous
I don't follow Miyazaki closely, but from my understanding he doesn't like how hollywood glorifies mindless violence, especially if it's done by heroes to villains.
In Mononoke, violence is always portrayed in negative light, even if it's done by Ashitaka to villains. He's massive pacifist, who only kills when he needs to. When he kills samurai, the tone of the every scene is negative, and it's heavily implied that he murders everyone only because of his curse, which happened only becuase of violence in the first place. Also, he almost always tries to talk his enemies into not fighting, this happens multiple times throrought the movie.
I think Miazaki doesn¨t understand that villains in hollywood movies are absolute villains, they have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. They aren't even human most of the time, but some kind of monsters, like orcs or zombies. I guess he thinks these villains are only placeholders for enemies of USA, or something like that.
Dunno about his other movies. I saw Spirited away, but that had almost no violence from what I remember.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Miyazaki has a very complicated relationship with violence and it's even worse with military.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or maybe he's just mad japs lost WWII.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also he can say he despises violence but has no problem treating his own son like shit during all his life
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Anonymous
I've always viewed Ashitaka as Miyazaki channeling Japan's history with war vis-a-vis WWII. Japan retaliated against America's blockading by bombing Peal Harbor, but ultimately this ended with Japan getting nuked twice. Ashitaka retaliates against injustice and violence with his own brand, but it makes the curse within him grow stronger, ultimately going to kill him.
But along with Nausicaa, Miyazaki doesn't condemn violence outright. Thinking again on Asano and the Emperor, they're portrayed rather matter of factly - Samurai exist to cause violence, the Emperor can enlist people to do violence for him. It seems like PM was him acknowledging violence is simply a fact of life and we must do our best not to fall into a cycle.
All the samurai besieging Ironton were killed by the fallout of the tree spirit. Lord Asano wanted to take the iron works for profit. I think that shows he didn't just start conflict for the sake of it and he didn't get away with it since he neither achieved his goal nor prevented great financial and manpower loss.
the unseen emperor / shogun is a trope in many jap stories, sort of like how quo vadis doesnt show jesus face, or how mohammed might be mentioned but never shown in islamic culture.
i remember the playstation game onimusha had nobunaga as the main antagonist, but he never actually appears and the final boss is just this demon guy
>San and Ashitaka have this weird ending scene, that feels like Miyazaki didn't want to commit to anything and just wanted to keep the status quo
It was La La Land before La La Land existed. The idea of the happy ending where everyone rides into the sunset was subverted. It's part of what makes Mononoke so good because there are heavy motifs of myth and legend. The """imperfect""" ending is what makes it beautiful. They couldn't give up who they are to be with each other. Ashitaka is fundamentally a leader who needs to rebuild the town and San is fundamentally distrustful of people (a wolf).
PS: what is it about women with blood and defiant looks on their faces that gives me a RB??
imagine you're bedridden and paralyzed and she literally has to chew, swallow, and digest your food for you then sit on your face to form a human centipede and shit and piss in your mouth
>Mononoke
The only thing I really remember is this fricker's face. They managed to make it so slightly human for my brain it jumps straight into uncanny valley.
it’s not like Ashitaka had much choice.
why he cried?
ghey little b***h
checked. i always thought it was a combination of feeling slightly humiliated that someone has to chew his food for him because he’s too weak to take a bite, and that he’s touched that someone would do that for him.
I think it was one of those moments when you're overwhelmed by multiple different emotions at the same time, so you react with crying. He was happy to by alive, embarassed for being fed like a child, and also probably in a lot of pain.
He was also still cursed so he believed that his last chance for preventing his own death was over since the spirit cured his bullet wound not the curse.
And probably emotionally dumping that he got kicked out of his village and is probably going to die from a curse. It really is just a moment of everything hitting him at once while in a vulnerable state.
I will let her digest my food.
Why yes it's dinner time what gave it away
No. I don't know where her mouth has been
She can chew whatever she wants for me, if you know what i mean.
I rewatched Mononoke yesterday. While the movie is just as great as it was in my childhood, the ending wasn't as great as I remembered, and the story falls apart.
>Eboshi, Emperor and the other samurai lord all get away with all the evil they caused
>Moro, actually the best character in the movie, does almost nothing of importance besides saving San in the end, 50% of her screentime is just dying
>San and Ashitaka have this weird ending scene, that feels like Miyazaki didn't want to commit to anything and just wanted to keep the status quo
>Movie makes it clear Ashikata's village is dying out and it's terrible for him to leave, for some reason he doesn't go back and fix it
>the whole 'bro trees are back, everything is fine' tone
They fricked up the ending. It shoud be more decisive, and Eboshi should've died.
Miyazaki poured all that effort into presenting Eboshi as a nuanced, complex character with a lot of extremely justifiable character motives for the sole intention of presenting a complex image of the world of the movie that isn't two tides of black and white contrasting eachother and you ignored all of that and still view her as the big bad? sorry bro but you got filtered.
>hurrr I'm being nice to womyn and cripples, now let's go to war with nature!
I'm not buiying it.
you're beyond fricking moronic. i pity the mattress that has to bear the weight of your ass
>it doesn't count
well it was never made to be sold to midwits like you i guess.
>Eboshi as a nuanced
wtf is she? how???
She is literally "My shit first"
>lady Eboshi, the evil samurai is attacking your town that is defended only by women!
>eh they'll be fine, I have to hunt for the emperor now
There you go, really deep, complex character that just filtered you.
>Here, on 2022, the only way to defend your house... Is dig a deep as frick hole that reaches magma, and make a lava-based moat!
Build bigger walls with the fricking trees, instead of using them to power the furnaces to smelt iron (that you also have to extract) to make guns
What the frick are you talking about...
isn't it clear that he was exiled from his tribe due to the corruption? like they can't even look at him when he leaves. sad but he's a leader and respects his tribes traditions.
Durin the scene, one of the elders comments how sad it is that their people are getting older, and the young who was supposed to lead them is leaving.
Your childhood is not to far back?
No seriously, all your criticism is stupid. You criticizing him for not going the Hollywood route.
Ashikata can't just go back, why do think all the elders were so upset about him leaving? Everybody knew, that he is gone forever.
>bro trees are back, everything is fine
No, the god i dead it will never be like before.
>Ashikata can't just go back, why do think all the elders were so upset about him leaving? Everybody knew, that he is gone forever.
Why? He left to find cure for his curse, nothing was said about him not being allowed to come back.
>bro trees are back, everything is fine
>No, the god i dead it will never be like before.
Yes that's my point, the movie makes it look like everything is fine because the greenery has returned, but it's clearly not.
>Eboshi, Emperor and the other samurai lord all get away with all the evil they caused
Eboshi's powerbase is destroyed and she's hit rock bottom again. without her iron industry the samurai just dont care anymore
>Moro, actually the best character in the movie,
agreed
>does almost nothing of importance besides saving San in the end, 50% of her screentime is just dying
go take a fist sized bullet to your keybone, anon. at least she took revenge on Eboshi
>San and Ashitaka have this weird ending scene, that feels like Miyazaki didn't want to commit to anything and just wanted to keep the status quo
they've gone through hell together but in the end they're very different people still. Ashitaka promises to visit though
>Movie makes it clear Ashikata's village is dying out and it's terrible for him to leave, for some reason he doesn't go back and fix it
he can't, their laws forbid it because of the boar's curse. thats why he had to leave in the first place
>the whole 'bro trees are back, everything is fine' tone
yes but the spirit of the forest, the boar tribes and the wolf clan are done for. the ancient world dies another little piece at a time and the world of man takes its place
>Eboshi's powerbase is destroyed and she's hit rock bottom again. without her iron industry the samurai just dont care anymore
She will just rebuild everything? Even Ashitaka says he will stay at ironworks, this implies they will just start again. Sure it's setback, but the movie makes it seem like she has happy ending, being surrounded by her subjects.
>they've gone through hell together but in the end they're very different people still. Ashitaka promises to visit though
My impression is that movie makes it cleart that they're actually very similar people. Both are from very isolated tribes of people, both have very close relantionship to nature and spiritism, both have similar morals, both are 'young leaders' of their tribes. I get it, they maybe won't be able to live together, but it definietly feels very cold for both of them to just say 'bye, see you later'.
>he can't, their laws forbid it because of the boar's curse. thats why he had to leave in the first place
Fair enought, but it's really stupid he can't return after getting rid of the curse. It's basically just one old man saying 'Oh pity you have go away and can't return.' This just seems like lazy writing. Maybe if they didn't have such moronic laws they wouldn't be dying out.
>yes but the spirit of the forest, the boar tribes and the wolf clan are done for. the ancient world dies another little piece at a time and the world of man takes its place
That was my point, I didn't make it clear enought I guess. The ending makes it look like happy ending, but it really isn't if you were rooting for the Deer God. This leads me back to first point. It's actually pretty dark ending if you think of it - humans won, gods of forest lost. Humans will just move onto another location to do same thing.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the movie, it's just the ending that rubs me off
not an argument. Cry more, b***h.
There was no ending. Miyazaki clearly couldn't think of a proper ending for whatever reason so he just left it entirely open like a lazy piece of shit. Rest of the movie is great but there is no fricking ending.
I'm probably the only person in the world who appreciates PM to the fullest.
The samurai get away with what? They got slaughtered by Eboshi's guns. Eboshi is not an evil woman, she is just a human with ambition. The emperor is a named only character, but he's the emperor, what did you want? Another act where Ashitaka assassinates him for hiring Jigo?
Moro got shot and made it her mission to kill Eboshi for revenge. She spends the rest of the film saving her strength because she is fighting the poison that got to Nago. She ends up not killing Eboshi, but taking her arm instead, which I think is probably the only real flaw of the film. Outside of the film, it is more appealing for Eboshi to become redeemed by the end. Inside, I don't see any reason for Moro not to have crushed Eboshi in her jaws. Moro doesn't know Eboshi takes care or brothel girls, or the lepers, or that bunches of people depend upon her ambitions.
You're thinking too Hollywood. There is no blatant romance between Ashitaka and San. Ashitaka was smitten with San's beauty at first sight, but San returns none of his feelings because she's busy trying to survive. They didn't have time to build anything, and San concludes with
>Ashitaka, you mean so much to me, but I can't forgive the humans for what they've done.
It's not about being non-committal, it's the circumstances.
Ashitaka gave his sister's dagger to San. He was not thinking of his village any longer.
The tone is far more bittersweet than you are saying. There is a particular piano note hit right before San remarks about the forest spirit being dead that hammers it home. But beyond that, the forest spirit is dead, the boars are dead, Okoto is dead, Moro is dead; it is not a happy ending.
>The samurai get away with what? They got slaughtered by Eboshi's guns. Eboshi is not an evil woman, she is just a human with ambition. The emperor is a named only character, but he's the emperor, what did you want? Another act where Ashitaka assassinates him for hiring Jigo?
The samurai lord is off-screen character that only exists in the story to create conflict for conflicts sake. Which is fine, but it bothers me that there's a character that just starts battles for no apparent reason, gets tons of people killed, and gets away with it.
Emperor ordered Deer Gods death. Eboshi notes something about Emperor believeing thathg Deer Gods head can cure disease. Plus I think Emperor could stop the war between samurai and Eboshi, but didn't, because warlords fighting each other secures his position. Again, he got away with everyhting.
They're both just side characters, but they're both responsible for violence and evil happening in the movie.
That is an interesting criticism I'm going to agree with, but it's unfortunately asking for a different kind of film.
I guess, it's just childs movie after all. When I saw it 20 years ago, all of it flew over my head.
It's a very interesting thought and I'm glad you shared it anon. Especially when you consider Miyazaki's public anti-American sentiment since forever, yet here in PM we have two named characters, Lord Asano and the Emperor, who do not receive any comeuppance whatsoever for perpetuating senseless violence in the film. I'm trying to rationalize it as Miyazaki saying something something powers that be are too big to get to but nothing in the narrative supports that. What a shame.
I don't follow Miyazaki closely, but from my understanding he doesn't like how hollywood glorifies mindless violence, especially if it's done by heroes to villains.
In Mononoke, violence is always portrayed in negative light, even if it's done by Ashitaka to villains. He's massive pacifist, who only kills when he needs to. When he kills samurai, the tone of the every scene is negative, and it's heavily implied that he murders everyone only because of his curse, which happened only becuase of violence in the first place. Also, he almost always tries to talk his enemies into not fighting, this happens multiple times throrought the movie.
I think Miazaki doesn¨t understand that villains in hollywood movies are absolute villains, they have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. They aren't even human most of the time, but some kind of monsters, like orcs or zombies. I guess he thinks these villains are only placeholders for enemies of USA, or something like that.
Dunno about his other movies. I saw Spirited away, but that had almost no violence from what I remember.
Miyazaki has a very complicated relationship with violence and it's even worse with military.
Or maybe he's just mad japs lost WWII.
Also he can say he despises violence but has no problem treating his own son like shit during all his life
I've always viewed Ashitaka as Miyazaki channeling Japan's history with war vis-a-vis WWII. Japan retaliated against America's blockading by bombing Peal Harbor, but ultimately this ended with Japan getting nuked twice. Ashitaka retaliates against injustice and violence with his own brand, but it makes the curse within him grow stronger, ultimately going to kill him.
But along with Nausicaa, Miyazaki doesn't condemn violence outright. Thinking again on Asano and the Emperor, they're portrayed rather matter of factly - Samurai exist to cause violence, the Emperor can enlist people to do violence for him. It seems like PM was him acknowledging violence is simply a fact of life and we must do our best not to fall into a cycle.
All the samurai besieging Ironton were killed by the fallout of the tree spirit. Lord Asano wanted to take the iron works for profit. I think that shows he didn't just start conflict for the sake of it and he didn't get away with it since he neither achieved his goal nor prevented great financial and manpower loss.
the unseen emperor / shogun is a trope in many jap stories, sort of like how quo vadis doesnt show jesus face, or how mohammed might be mentioned but never shown in islamic culture.
i remember the playstation game onimusha had nobunaga as the main antagonist, but he never actually appears and the final boss is just this demon guy
>San and Ashitaka have this weird ending scene, that feels like Miyazaki didn't want to commit to anything and just wanted to keep the status quo
It was La La Land before La La Land existed. The idea of the happy ending where everyone rides into the sunset was subverted. It's part of what makes Mononoke so good because there are heavy motifs of myth and legend. The """imperfect""" ending is what makes it beautiful. They couldn't give up who they are to be with each other. Ashitaka is fundamentally a leader who needs to rebuild the town and San is fundamentally distrustful of people (a wolf).
PS: what is it about women with blood and defiant looks on their faces that gives me a RB??
I disagree, but I can see logic in your logic. I guess we just have different tastes.
>Eboshi, Emperor and the other samurai lord all get away with all the evil they caused
So like lietrally every leader and politician nowadays?
imagine you're bedridden and paralyzed and she literally has to chew, swallow, and digest your food for you then sit on your face to form a human centipede and shit and piss in your mouth
"you have to eat all the jerky Ashitaka."
Tfw watched this scene with a girl I liked and told her I thought it was super romantic and now we've been together 3 years 🙂
Why are you lying on the internet.
I've already had a chick piss in my mouth so sure I guess.
>Mononoke
The only thing I really remember is this fricker's face. They managed to make it so slightly human for my brain it jumps straight into uncanny valley.
movie becomes embarrassing when you realize he's miyazaki's self insert.
That's Porco Rosso by far more than Mononoke.
Absolutely based.
can you imagine how hairy her c**t and butthole are? frick
This makes me think, how old are they both supposed to be? 18?
late teens. definitely hit puberty already
My wife
Kiki and Laputa are the only Miyazaki movies I like
why didn't Miyazaki show us her breasts?
because she's for cherishing, not lewding
Do you mind if I save that image, anon?
It's all yours, my friend
Thank you
why was 90s anime uglier than 80s and 00s
So many filtered mid wits, stick to hollywood, anikino requires 130 iq minimum
i cri evertiem