Aliens takes place like 60 years after Alien, and it is heavily implied that marines had grown accustomed to fighting aliens, like when they talk about going on a "bug hunt".
Also, the Nostromo didn't have firearms if I remember correctly.
>and it is heavily implied that marines had grown accustomed to fighting aliens
I have a hard time believing that when the marines use such laughable tactics and weapons.
>and it is heavily implied that marines had grown accustomed to fighting aliens
I have a hard time believing that when the marines use such laughable tactics and weapons.
They were not at all fighting these creatures. Possibly something more tame and easy. Or else they wouldn't need Ripley's assistance
They have AI, so they should have battle droids or at the very fricking least, drones who can scout ahead of them.
They have power loaders, so why the frick don't they have armored exoskeletons of any kind? Their shitty flak jackets were embarrassingly ineffective.
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This. Imagine a swarm of drone with laser gun or some shit. They would make xenomorph look like a fricking joke.
Here's a question: why do WY attempts to capture the alien always have to be underhanded and deadly to most of the people on the mission? I don't see why they couldn't hire an elite team of mercenaries, directly inform them about the alien, and ask them to capture it. Why all the shady shit?
Uncreative hacks. WY was underhanded and dishonest toward the crew in Alien 1 (for legitimate reasons), so every sequel must then feature similar underhanded plots by WY because it's part of the movie's "brand" or some shit.
People miss that in Aliens, WeYu was innocent and it was all Burke. The executives did not believe Ripley and weren't interested in her story, they had colonists on LV426 that were fine with no reports of aliens. Burke though saw it as his big chance to get rich and he's the moron who sends them a message to go investigate where Ripley said the derelict is, but gave them no information and later tries to tell Ripley that was a bad call. Then when she threatens to expose what he did and get him put away, he tries to get her and newt impregnated so they'd be put into stasis and plans to kill the marines in their cryopods on the way home. It was all Burke.
Then later media though turned WeYu into mustache twirling villains who would do anything to get the Xeno and sacrifice everyone in the process.
Was the detail of Burke notifying the colonists of the derelict included in the original theatrical edition of the film? I have a feeling that it wasn't. I remember watching the Director's Cut and being surprised at the amount of backstory it gave for the colony before the marines arrive.
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Yes.
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In the special edition, they added the scene of the colonists getting the message from earth to go investigate and say it takes too much time to question it for more details. In theatrical, the colony just goes dark a while after the inquest and Burke goes to Ripley to ask her to come on the trip just in case. But in both, she confronts him later on when she finds out he sent the order
Thanks for the quote
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Arcturian >AVP autists actually wrote lore for them.
I always wondered if this was a good move. I never got the vibe from the first Alien film that humanity had encountered alien life.
Yeah its a mixed bag, id prefer there to be zero alien life so far. Makes the terrror of the unknown more intense
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That's probably why the AVP lore established them as one of the few alien life forms encountered and also primitive enough to never really be away from their home world.
Thanks for the quote
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Arcturian >AVP autists actually wrote lore for them.
I always wondered if this was a good move. I never got the vibe from the first Alien film that humanity had encountered alien life.
Pretty sure they were just talking about colonists. The joke was similar to going to Thailand and joking about banging ladyboys.
That's just a common fan cope. The true concept of the line is Cameron was basing shit off of Star Ship troopers, which has moments where they mention other alien life forms aside from bugs.
Unfathomably based. They know what they are and declare it up front. They're proud of it and don't need to ask predditors if they pass. I bet she's got a bigger wiener than him, likely 10 inches.
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If thats a lady boy then im the gayest motherfricker on earth
Unfathomably based. They know what they are and declare it up front. They're proud of it and don't need to ask predditors if they pass. I bet she's got a bigger wiener than him, likely 10 inches.
Real talk. Why does Thailand have a culture of trooning out?
That bug hunt line confused a lot of people. Turns out it's military lingo for a mission where they don't encounter an enemy or something like that I think. They haven't encountered other life until the xenomorphs
That bug hunt line confused a lot of people. Turns out it's military lingo for a mission where they don't encounter an enemy or something like that I think. They haven't encountered other life until the xenomorphs
I thought that “bug hunt” meant “fight against insurgents/guerrillas.” I read in an interview that Cameron, in going with the Vietnam-era aesthetic of their fatigues, had them use that terminology since it meant cleaning out viet-cong tunnel systems.
That’s why they juxtaposed it with a “standup fight”, since they were probably expecting some nutty guerrilla group to have attacked the colonists.
Aliens takes place like 60 years after Alien, and it is heavily implied that marines had grown accustomed to fighting aliens, like when they talk about going on a "bug hunt".
Also, the Nostromo didn't have firearms if I remember correctly.
This is flat out wrong. Only the top level WY executives knew of the alien, otherwise why would they bring Ripley along to advise.
They had no idea wtf they were getting into
funny
I thought fans of Aliens just never watched Alien
turns out they never watched Aliens either
They didn't shoot the alien because it was on a spacecraft and the acid would melt holes through it. I haven't even seen the movie and I know that's why they didn't just shoot the thing. Also Cameron wanted to take it into an action route while ridley wanted a horror route
In the first one the crew practically knew nothing about the creature and the "acid blood" thing only came up in the later movies.
It also wasn't a military ship which is why they fought it with random crap like flame throwers. (I'm not sure why they even had those onboard but it's been a while since I saw it)
>Ash cuts facehugger just above knuckle in attempt to take it off Kane's face. >Acid squirts onto floor and melts several floor decks with every character in a panic >"They don't cover the acid untill later movies"
The facehugger had acid blood in the first movie, which is why they couldn't cut it off from Kane's face and had to leave it there. They assumed the grown xenomorph had acid blood as well, which was only confirmed in the second movie.
As for the guns, they were a cargo ship, they didn't have any weapons. The flamethrowers were crafted by Ash and were held together by gum and duct tape.
Yeah, but it was nerfed in 2+ anyway.
Imagine the scene of the automatic gun and the hundreds of aliens, it would make a hole to the center of the planet.
The some soldier also shots an alien at point rsnge and gets splashed, he cries a little and thats it.
>>THE PERFECT ORGANISM
why do they say this? a perfect organism would be capable of creating art, music, literature, xenomorphs just kill and hunt and reproduce, Predator (yautja) are more perfect than xenomorphs
>What went wrong?
Synthetics, Genetic Engineering, Archaeo-Futurism, Privatized Space Exploration, Corporate Government
A monster by itself isn't much scarier than big game animals put down by pure application of lead & fire -- it's the environment and context. Everything about the expendability of the crew, to the point of the robot putting the humans down on orders from headquarters just to secure a specimen is part of the formula.
>life seeding & feeding Druids, believe in Reincarnation >techno-futurist Engineers with xenosuits using attenuated black goo >their own 'gods', i.e. Space Jockey elephants & religion(s) >bird dog from the fresco as the philosopher's stone and literal phoenix from the black goo that they're attempting to bring into being; the 'weaponzied goo' as an evolutionary time travel device to accelerate the eschaton bringing said Birddog-Phoenix back >humans' development as fitting the Druids' reincarnation beliefs, but developing technology that will lead to AI/Antichrist in the Xenosuit Engineers' view (Butlerian Jihad sort of thing in their prehistory; the xenotech suits as a sacrament to subordinate their tech to biology and no the reverse)
No, humans are inefficient. We consume vast amounts of resources to enable us to spend time on things that are not the acquisition of mates or food, or the raising of young. Music and literature do absolutely nothing to help us as a species.
If hamsters knew how to build hamster wheels, would they be better off? They might have more fun, but those hamsters would be outcompeted by the dumb ones that weren't wasting time/energy on pointless wheels. Humanity (and the Predators) only can afford that stuff because their intellect offers them such a vast competitive advantage that they can fight off nature with one hand behind their back and still thrive.
>Humanity (and the Predators) only can afford that stuff because their intellect offers them such a vast competitive advantage that they can fight off nature with one hand behind their back and still thrive.
which proves my point, human and predator are more perfect than xenomorphs then no?
No. Humans are just better than the other creatures on their planet. But if the xenos were on Earth, they would kill all of the humans.
In truth, I do think it's a stupid line, because xenos lack the intellect to continually adapt. Humans can build spaceships and colonize other planets, while also forecasting threats of extinction and finding ways to avoid said threats. Art and entertainment are still inefficiencies, however.
>lack the intellect
What the frick are you talking about? Even the first one was smart enough to get in the lifeboat. They’ve always been portrayed as highly intelligent.
Cameron happened, that's what. Yes, i don't like Aliens. The expansion of the lore was alright but there was no need to turn the aliens into a mindless swarm.
The threat of the xenomorph was always overblown. The original was a grave threat due to the circumstances it was in. The swarm in Aliens only got as far as it did because of offscreen contrivances and the ridiculously under-equipped marines.
I screamed when the Alien ran towards me. I got the DLC and i cant play, its too scary. I literally feel anxious and like crying. I can 100% understand why Ripley would have nightmares constantly
Anyone feel like all the sequels and extended lore absolutely RUINED the original Alien? Usually I don't find that sequels detract from an original story but literally every single piece of media makes it even worse. So badly that Aliens as a series is the dumbest fricking shit I've ever seen based off such a solid concept. If the xeno had literally any other design the series would never have took off. >1979 >The most thought provoking sci-fi mystery ever made >What is the purpose of LV426 >What was that giant skeleton >Is all life in the universe snuffed out or did this guy die last week >Are there other space farers besides us and his species >Why was he hauling eggs in the first place >Was he a trucker like our protags or with some kind of military >Why does the alien have such a ridiculous life cycle, could it be bio-engineered to be like that >Could the aliens themselves have a culture? This one might only be an infant yet it's clearly smart as a human >Are the eggs made of people, if so how were there eggs on that ship in the first place >what if aliens got to Earth >Simultaneously Man vs. Nature and Man vs. No God >Ethereal... bone-chilling... Possible in real life?
ACKTUALLY >Skelly was handsome Squidward in a space suit >Aliens originated from black goo made by Squidward but not really >Original xeno was made by a cyborg (which was made by humans) >Ergo xeno is a human creation >Humans were a Squidward creation >He regrets making them or something >Main character of the series's fate is to never escape the xeno until it finally kills her like it has a personal vendetta ala Jaws 4 >Misses out on daughters entire life, and she wasn't just a normal person either she was a xeno killer badass too >Surrogate daughter dies immediately and harshly (kinda based actually) >Ripley doesn't get to rest in peace she's cloned just to suffer more >THE BIG EVIL COMPANY GETS BOUGHT OUT BY FRICKING WALMART >THERES XENOS ON EARTH IN ANTARCTICA
Everything after Alien 3 is fanfiction and pure cashgrab wank. You should not let it affect your enjoyment whatsoever at all. This leaves only couple of the points you listed and those are not really that bad at all. Timeskip in Aliens sets Ripley as an outsider who's lost everything, and find new purpose after finding Newt. Newt (and Hicks) getting killed right off in A3 was grim and fricking hurts, but realistically what did you want, some sappy happy surrogate family adventures in space?
And Ripley dying as she did, on some lice infested rusty shithole was logical. She could never escape the nightmare. It became such integral part of her life and being that the only way she could truly get the upper hand and control was through the ultimate sacrifice. Again, after losing everything for the second time and seeing how any semblance of stability and family she tries to build falls apart like a house of cards.
Alien 3 was an imperfect movie with a perfect closure to the character and the story. Once again, everything after that is fanfiction and wank.
i don't like alien 3 because the whole point of it is "you cannot escape trauma ever and have to have a nice day"
having an ending that's sad is one thing
also the effects are terrible, half the plot is moronic, the sets are boring, and it's not very interesting
Funnily enough Predator 2 added a lot of good things to the series like new weapons, code of honour, clans, predators being around since 1716 etc but gets shit on the most as a sequel compared to Aliens which is praised
Like i said compare it to zombies which are objectively dumb and slow killers.
People don't question them not being dangerous.
The Alien is fast, smart and dangerous even more so in numbers.
They're threatening if you don't have weapons (like most people)
Even if you have weapons they're still threatening if you don't have infinite ammo.
These don't seem like very specific circumstances to me.
It never le perfect organism though. If anything just a cross between facehugger and bipedal humans. An abomination that has unsubtle male impregnation degeneracy fetish as its horror element
Can we stop with this Perfect organism meme from the first movie.
Ridley Scott is the only director given more then one film and what does he do?
PROMETHEUS and ALIEN COVENANT
I'll gladly take the rollercoaster of ALIENS over >Muh perfect organism >Noo you cant give me them an alien hive were they cacoon over 50 family's men women and children
Frick all you Alien Fanboys I'm a James Cameron Chad.
Alien 3 (theatrical cut) is what killed the franchise. Aliens was a box office and critical success. It portrayed the Aliens as non-stop killing machines. The marines and weapons were added into the plot to up the ante and to increase the stakes between Alien and human. If you remember in the first movie weapons were non-existent. Sure, Ripley had a flamethrower but it illustrated the limited capacity at which the Nostromo crew had to thwart the Alien. Aliens also includes the Queen which further developed the Alien life cycle and made Ripley come out of her shell from a survivor to a heroine. Everyone always blames Aliens for problems but in reality it's scummy Alien 3 which dragged the franchise down and made it unpopular. Resurrection and everything after 3 was FOX just trying to save face and rummage through anything they could from the mess they made.
Alien: >less than a teaspoon of acid blood burns through several floors of a space ship and risks breaching the hull
Aliens: >shooting hundreds of rounds at dozens of aliens in an enclosed corridor creates no structural damage and causes no harm to people standing only a couple feet away from where blood should be splashing out like a damn fountain
That's why Aliens sucks ass and James Cameron is a fricking hack.
They're very selective with choosing when the acid blood does anything. There are literally scenes in Aliens where they shoot groups of aliens on walkways with automatic weapons and the walkways don't fall apart even though their blood should be spraying everywhere and melting everything near them.
>Alien 1 >Skinny homie in state-of-the-art suit >Aliens >Professional dancers in slightly worse suits >Alien3 >Cheesy stop-motion >Alien:Resurrection >Tolerable cgi and great animatronics/ suits >Ditto for AvP >Ditto for AvP:Requiem >Alien Covenant >LITERALLY WORSE FRICKING CGI THAN WHAT WAS USED 20 YEARS AGO
I think we're missing the real problem that needs discussing.
It's perfect because it adapts to any environment and can survive in space etc. Adaptation is what all organisms try to do. Alien can be at home on any planet in most atmospheres.
I'd like to see a difference between xenos birthed from males vs those birthed from females.
There are obvious skeletal differences between men and women, and I think it's rather obvious that those differences would be expressed in the resulting xenomorph.
it's just a bigger, faster, stronger fricking lion with acid for blood that makes some engagements difficult. Against humanity and it's tech, it will fall the way of every other non tech species that confronts us - extinction.
The only reason the xenos in Aliens swarmed so mindlessly is because they were compelled to be their queen, and she was testing these new warrior humans, because she had the resources to spare - over 100 lethal killing machines, each with the ability to wipe out an entire planet if it should ever reach one with compatible lifeforms to breed in and parasitize.
The xenos were probably going to drag most of the damaged xenos back to the hive anyway to 'repair' them, but then they blew up in the atmosphere processor explosion.
I have a head canon where that hive stuff is an organism of its own which grows on a secreted scaffhold made by the xenos, and once a host births an alien and dies, the hive sort of breaks down the bodies and channels the nutrients where its needed, and all those weird nooks and crannies on the aliens are like USB ports where they can 'plug in' to the hive and recieve the nutrients and regenerate entire sections of their bodies - it's kind of like a giant biomechanical stomach and early warning system, so when the marines entered the hive it was sending chemical signals to all the aliens 'plugged in' so they knew there were targets entering their territory.
I'm writing my own screenplay for an alien sequel that uses this idea and expands on it, making for some really cool xenomorph lore, hope it gets made one day, and I hope you all like it.
Also, frick those skinny fleshy moron aliens in resurrection onwards, those things are not xenomorphs.
If you watched Alien and Aliens you know that those in Aliens are shown as more durable than the one in the first movie (they also get less screentime but that's secret knowledge).
>>What went wrong?
Humanity got better at fighting aliens?
Literally this.
Aliens takes place like 60 years after Alien, and it is heavily implied that marines had grown accustomed to fighting aliens, like when they talk about going on a "bug hunt".
Also, the Nostromo didn't have firearms if I remember correctly.
>and it is heavily implied that marines had grown accustomed to fighting aliens
I have a hard time believing that when the marines use such laughable tactics and weapons.
They were not at all fighting these creatures. Possibly something more tame and easy. Or else they wouldn't need Ripley's assistance
The point I'm making is that it's stupid for 22nd century marines to use 20th century methods.
>muh vietnam allegoy
What methods should they be using? Can you describe them?
They have AI, so they should have battle droids or at the very fricking least, drones who can scout ahead of them.
They have power loaders, so why the frick don't they have armored exoskeletons of any kind? Their shitty flak jackets were embarrassingly ineffective.
This. Imagine a swarm of drone with laser gun or some shit. They would make xenomorph look like a fricking joke.
This is flat out wrong. Only the top level WY executives knew of the alien, otherwise why would they bring Ripley along to advise.
They had no idea wtf they were getting into
Here's a question: why do WY attempts to capture the alien always have to be underhanded and deadly to most of the people on the mission? I don't see why they couldn't hire an elite team of mercenaries, directly inform them about the alien, and ask them to capture it. Why all the shady shit?
Uncreative hacks. WY was underhanded and dishonest toward the crew in Alien 1 (for legitimate reasons), so every sequel must then feature similar underhanded plots by WY because it's part of the movie's "brand" or some shit.
People miss that in Aliens, WeYu was innocent and it was all Burke. The executives did not believe Ripley and weren't interested in her story, they had colonists on LV426 that were fine with no reports of aliens. Burke though saw it as his big chance to get rich and he's the moron who sends them a message to go investigate where Ripley said the derelict is, but gave them no information and later tries to tell Ripley that was a bad call. Then when she threatens to expose what he did and get him put away, he tries to get her and newt impregnated so they'd be put into stasis and plans to kill the marines in their cryopods on the way home. It was all Burke.
Then later media though turned WeYu into mustache twirling villains who would do anything to get the Xeno and sacrifice everyone in the process.
Was the detail of Burke notifying the colonists of the derelict included in the original theatrical edition of the film? I have a feeling that it wasn't. I remember watching the Director's Cut and being surprised at the amount of backstory it gave for the colony before the marines arrive.
Yes.
In the special edition, they added the scene of the colonists getting the message from earth to go investigate and say it takes too much time to question it for more details. In theatrical, the colony just goes dark a while after the inquest and Burke goes to Ripley to ask her to come on the trip just in case. But in both, she confronts him later on when she finds out he sent the order
Don't they joke about fricking an alien at some point? Something that starts with an A. An Antolian or something?
Yeah but the one you had was male!
Thanks for the quote
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Arcturian
>AVP autists actually wrote lore for them.
I always wondered if this was a good move. I never got the vibe from the first Alien film that humanity had encountered alien life.
Yeah its a mixed bag, id prefer there to be zero alien life so far. Makes the terrror of the unknown more intense
That's probably why the AVP lore established them as one of the few alien life forms encountered and also primitive enough to never really be away from their home world.
thats really shit, the entire point was the Derelict was the first sign of intelligent life.
The series implies they met aliens but not intelligent ones, just alien critters.
Pretty sure they were just talking about colonists. The joke was similar to going to Thailand and joking about banging ladyboys.
That's just a common fan cope. The true concept of the line is Cameron was basing shit off of Star Ship troopers, which has moments where they mention other alien life forms aside from bugs.
Nah.
>The joke was similar to going to Thailand and joking about banging ladyboys.
Good taste anon
I know.
Unfathomably based. They know what they are and declare it up front. They're proud of it and don't need to ask predditors if they pass. I bet she's got a bigger wiener than him, likely 10 inches.
If thats a lady boy then im the gayest motherfricker on earth
Real talk. Why does Thailand have a culture of trooning out?
It's some Arcturian poontang.
And even if it's male, it doesn't matter as long as it's Arcturian!
That bug hunt line confused a lot of people. Turns out it's military lingo for a mission where they don't encounter an enemy or something like that I think. They haven't encountered other life until the xenomorphs
Ah cool, didn't know that.
I thought that “bug hunt” meant “fight against insurgents/guerrillas.” I read in an interview that Cameron, in going with the Vietnam-era aesthetic of their fatigues, had them use that terminology since it meant cleaning out viet-cong tunnel systems.
That’s why they juxtaposed it with a “standup fight”, since they were probably expecting some nutty guerrilla group to have attacked the colonists.
funny
I thought fans of Aliens just never watched Alien
turns out they never watched Aliens either
makes sense
They didn't shoot the alien because it was on a spacecraft and the acid would melt holes through it. I haven't even seen the movie and I know that's why they didn't just shoot the thing. Also Cameron wanted to take it into an action route while ridley wanted a horror route
In the first one the crew practically knew nothing about the creature and the "acid blood" thing only came up in the later movies.
It also wasn't a military ship which is why they fought it with random crap like flame throwers. (I'm not sure why they even had those onboard but it's been a while since I saw it)
thats not true the acid blood is in the first movie
What the frick Anon
>Ash cuts facehugger just above knuckle in attempt to take it off Kane's face.
>Acid squirts onto floor and melts several floor decks with every character in a panic
>"They don't cover the acid untill later movies"
Put down the cellphone zoomer
The facehugger had acid blood in the first movie, which is why they couldn't cut it off from Kane's face and had to leave it there. They assumed the grown xenomorph had acid blood as well, which was only confirmed in the second movie.
As for the guns, they were a cargo ship, they didn't have any weapons. The flamethrowers were crafted by Ash and were held together by gum and duct tape.
Yeah, but it was nerfed in 2+ anyway.
Imagine the scene of the automatic gun and the hundreds of aliens, it would make a hole to the center of the planet.
The some soldier also shots an alien at point rsnge and gets splashed, he cries a little and thats it.
They didn't train it to attack a laser pointer like in Jurassic Park so it was bound to go wrong.
>>THE PERFECT ORGANISM
why do they say this? a perfect organism would be capable of creating art, music, literature, xenomorphs just kill and hunt and reproduce, Predator (yautja) are more perfect than xenomorphs
>just kill and hunt and reproduce
let me guess, you NEED more?
Yes, my non-white friend.
It's a perfect organism from a biological standpoint.
Is it though, like I’m no biologist but a parasitic life cycle that requires the death of the host doesn’t seem like a perfect system.
>I’m no biologist
Facts
I think Ash meant from a purely lethal perspective it was perfect. Its reproduction strategy is flawed, no queen, no eggs, no hive, no aliens.
But insect dont have politics, and the aliens are closest to insect life. Extreme brutality.
thats what Prometheus was supposed to enlighten us on.
Their reproductive cycle is like the aztec ripping hearts out. It involves ritual sacrifice.
>What went wrong?
Synthetics, Genetic Engineering, Archaeo-Futurism, Privatized Space Exploration, Corporate Government
A monster by itself isn't much scarier than big game animals put down by pure application of lead & fire -- it's the environment and context. Everything about the expendability of the crew, to the point of the robot putting the humans down on orders from headquarters just to secure a specimen is part of the formula.
>life seeding & feeding Druids, believe in Reincarnation
>techno-futurist Engineers with xenosuits using attenuated black goo
>their own 'gods', i.e. Space Jockey elephants & religion(s)
>bird dog from the fresco as the philosopher's stone and literal phoenix from the black goo that they're attempting to bring into being; the 'weaponzied goo' as an evolutionary time travel device to accelerate the eschaton bringing said Birddog-Phoenix back
>humans' development as fitting the Druids' reincarnation beliefs, but developing technology that will lead to AI/Antichrist in the Xenosuit Engineers' view (Butlerian Jihad sort of thing in their prehistory; the xenotech suits as a sacrament to subordinate their tech to biology and no the reverse)
No, humans are inefficient. We consume vast amounts of resources to enable us to spend time on things that are not the acquisition of mates or food, or the raising of young. Music and literature do absolutely nothing to help us as a species.
If hamsters knew how to build hamster wheels, would they be better off? They might have more fun, but those hamsters would be outcompeted by the dumb ones that weren't wasting time/energy on pointless wheels. Humanity (and the Predators) only can afford that stuff because their intellect offers them such a vast competitive advantage that they can fight off nature with one hand behind their back and still thrive.
>Humanity (and the Predators) only can afford that stuff because their intellect offers them such a vast competitive advantage that they can fight off nature with one hand behind their back and still thrive.
which proves my point, human and predator are more perfect than xenomorphs then no?
No. Humans are just better than the other creatures on their planet. But if the xenos were on Earth, they would kill all of the humans.
In truth, I do think it's a stupid line, because xenos lack the intellect to continually adapt. Humans can build spaceships and colonize other planets, while also forecasting threats of extinction and finding ways to avoid said threats. Art and entertainment are still inefficiencies, however.
>lack the intellect
What the frick are you talking about? Even the first one was smart enough to get in the lifeboat. They’ve always been portrayed as highly intelligent.
not the same intelligence as building a spaceship dumbass
>Smart enough to recognize a lifeboat at like one day old
>hurr durr we don’t see them building spaceships so my head canon says they cant
Let's see you build a spaceship.
Its an animal. A vicious, deadly animal. Like saying a sheepdog is stupid because it doesnt understand advanced economics
>Music and literature do absolutely nothing to help us as a species.
If you ever created either you'd know it gets you ton of pussy.
You sound like you've created art, what did you produce?
Cameron happened, that's what. Yes, i don't like Aliens. The expansion of the lore was alright but there was no need to turn the aliens into a mindless swarm.
why not? it's just a really cool looking space monster. no need to place it on some kind of pedestal.
They couldn't shoot it with plasma weaponry on a spaceship without breaching the hull. Not an issue planetside.
Remember the harpoon gun? That's a much lower powered weapon than a gun and that easily pierced the alien.
The threat of the xenomorph was always overblown. The original was a grave threat due to the circumstances it was in. The swarm in Aliens only got as far as it did because of offscreen contrivances and the ridiculously under-equipped marines.
>Alien
>easily penetrated by a small handheld harpoon gun and debilitated
Ack!
Maybe the xenomorphs in alien 2 were just crappier because they were born from a queen, going by the random morphs created through the black goo.
>going by the random morphs created through the black goo.
Not canon.
I just beat Alien Isolation and its the sequel to Alien 1.
Its the most faithful interpretation of the Alien lore since 1979
Alien Isolation nailed the atmosphere. Felt damn accurate to the alien series.
I screamed when the Alien ran towards me. I got the DLC and i cant play, its too scary. I literally feel anxious and like crying. I can 100% understand why Ripley would have nightmares constantly
Needed to be more seductive.
Anyone feel like all the sequels and extended lore absolutely RUINED the original Alien? Usually I don't find that sequels detract from an original story but literally every single piece of media makes it even worse. So badly that Aliens as a series is the dumbest fricking shit I've ever seen based off such a solid concept. If the xeno had literally any other design the series would never have took off.
>1979
>The most thought provoking sci-fi mystery ever made
>What is the purpose of LV426
>What was that giant skeleton
>Is all life in the universe snuffed out or did this guy die last week
>Are there other space farers besides us and his species
>Why was he hauling eggs in the first place
>Was he a trucker like our protags or with some kind of military
>Why does the alien have such a ridiculous life cycle, could it be bio-engineered to be like that
>Could the aliens themselves have a culture? This one might only be an infant yet it's clearly smart as a human
>Are the eggs made of people, if so how were there eggs on that ship in the first place
>what if aliens got to Earth
>Simultaneously Man vs. Nature and Man vs. No God
>Ethereal... bone-chilling... Possible in real life?
ACKTUALLY
>Skelly was handsome Squidward in a space suit
>Aliens originated from black goo made by Squidward but not really
>Original xeno was made by a cyborg (which was made by humans)
>Ergo xeno is a human creation
>Humans were a Squidward creation
>He regrets making them or something
>Main character of the series's fate is to never escape the xeno until it finally kills her like it has a personal vendetta ala Jaws 4
>Misses out on daughters entire life, and she wasn't just a normal person either she was a xeno killer badass too
>Surrogate daughter dies immediately and harshly (kinda based actually)
>Ripley doesn't get to rest in peace she's cloned just to suffer more
>THE BIG EVIL COMPANY GETS BOUGHT OUT BY FRICKING WALMART
>THERES XENOS ON EARTH IN ANTARCTICA
>The most thought provoking sci-fi mystery ever made
I wouldn't wank it off that hard.
Everything after Alien 3 is fanfiction and pure cashgrab wank. You should not let it affect your enjoyment whatsoever at all. This leaves only couple of the points you listed and those are not really that bad at all. Timeskip in Aliens sets Ripley as an outsider who's lost everything, and find new purpose after finding Newt. Newt (and Hicks) getting killed right off in A3 was grim and fricking hurts, but realistically what did you want, some sappy happy surrogate family adventures in space?
And Ripley dying as she did, on some lice infested rusty shithole was logical. She could never escape the nightmare. It became such integral part of her life and being that the only way she could truly get the upper hand and control was through the ultimate sacrifice. Again, after losing everything for the second time and seeing how any semblance of stability and family she tries to build falls apart like a house of cards.
Alien 3 was an imperfect movie with a perfect closure to the character and the story. Once again, everything after that is fanfiction and wank.
i don't like alien 3 because the whole point of it is "you cannot escape trauma ever and have to have a nice day"
having an ending that's sad is one thing
also the effects are terrible, half the plot is moronic, the sets are boring, and it's not very interesting
Funnily enough Predator 2 added a lot of good things to the series like new weapons, code of honour, clans, predators being around since 1716 etc but gets shit on the most as a sequel compared to Aliens which is praised
why do people downplay the threat of the alien? They are like zombies if zombies were actually threatening.
>why do people downplay the threat of the alien?
Because it's not very threatening unless you're in a very specific environment.
Like i said compare it to zombies which are objectively dumb and slow killers.
People don't question them not being dangerous.
The Alien is fast, smart and dangerous even more so in numbers.
They're threatening if you don't have weapons (like most people)
Even if you have weapons they're still threatening if you don't have infinite ammo.
These don't seem like very specific circumstances to me.
>What went wrong?
James Cameron.
It never le perfect organism though. If anything just a cross between facehugger and bipedal humans. An abomination that has unsubtle male impregnation degeneracy fetish as its horror element
Can we stop with this Perfect organism meme from the first movie.
Ridley Scott is the only director given more then one film and what does he do?
PROMETHEUS and ALIEN COVENANT
I'll gladly take the rollercoaster of ALIENS over
>Muh perfect organism
>Noo you cant give me them an alien hive were they cacoon over 50 family's men women and children
Frick all you Alien Fanboys I'm a James Cameron Chad.
ridley promised more alien mystery along the lines of the original engineer scene... and what'd we get? torture porn
the only good Alien movie is the first one
>brainlets fail to realise Ash calls it perfect because its an artificial being that was created like him.
Only Alien and Isolation are canon
There like zombies/roaches, they can get cut in half, dismembered, etc and still live.
>What went wrong?
Cameron sacrificed them to sell his queen.
The perfect orgasm
Horny aside, was Giger's real vision.
Imagine what Alien movie we could have had if Giger's visionary designs weren't toned down for audiences..
>a couple bullets
The marines use explosive ammo fired from guns that are basically cannons.
ayyys are punky undead mousegirls and I'm tired of pretending they aren't
Sequels are always bad and should not be made.
No exceptions.
what if the sequel is Troll 2?
I want to live on the Sevastopol station. Sans Xenomorphs, of course
>Sans Xenomorphs
he was scary in alien 3 too but midwits pretend this movie is bad
Does anyone else not find the Aliens very threatening?
It takes one human to make one alien, but one soldier can kill many aliens.
I find something like the thing or the lifeform from the movie LIFE to be much more threatening.
It takes two humans to make one human, but one alien can kill many humans.
moron.
Alien 3 (theatrical cut) is what killed the franchise. Aliens was a box office and critical success. It portrayed the Aliens as non-stop killing machines. The marines and weapons were added into the plot to up the ante and to increase the stakes between Alien and human. If you remember in the first movie weapons were non-existent. Sure, Ripley had a flamethrower but it illustrated the limited capacity at which the Nostromo crew had to thwart the Alien. Aliens also includes the Queen which further developed the Alien life cycle and made Ripley come out of her shell from a survivor to a heroine. Everyone always blames Aliens for problems but in reality it's scummy Alien 3 which dragged the franchise down and made it unpopular. Resurrection and everything after 3 was FOX just trying to save face and rummage through anything they could from the mess they made.
Alien:
>less than a teaspoon of acid blood burns through several floors of a space ship and risks breaching the hull
Aliens:
>shooting hundreds of rounds at dozens of aliens in an enclosed corridor creates no structural damage and causes no harm to people standing only a couple feet away from where blood should be splashing out like a damn fountain
That's why Aliens sucks ass and James Cameron is a fricking hack.
Mhmm.
They're very selective with choosing when the acid blood does anything. There are literally scenes in Aliens where they shoot groups of aliens on walkways with automatic weapons and the walkways don't fall apart even though their blood should be spraying everywhere and melting everything near them.
Post more hot xenos pls
You got CAMERON'd.
You thought an advanced animal would be impervious to metal passing through it at 700 miles per hour?
>What went wrong?
They literally tell you in the movie, dumbass.
>If it bleeds, we can kill it.
forget that part?
>Alien 1
>Skinny homie in state-of-the-art suit
>Aliens
>Professional dancers in slightly worse suits
>Alien3
>Cheesy stop-motion
>Alien:Resurrection
>Tolerable cgi and great animatronics/ suits
>Ditto for AvP
>Ditto for AvP:Requiem
>Alien Covenant
>LITERALLY WORSE FRICKING CGI THAN WHAT WAS USED 20 YEARS AGO
I think we're missing the real problem that needs discussing.
James Cameron turned them into bugs.
How about you try watching the movies you fricking moron
explosive rounds
moron
Engineers are infinitely more interesting than xenomorphs
It's perfect because it adapts to any environment and can survive in space etc. Adaptation is what all organisms try to do. Alien can be at home on any planet in most atmospheres.
I'd like to see a difference between xenos birthed from males vs those birthed from females.
There are obvious skeletal differences between men and women, and I think it's rather obvious that those differences would be expressed in the resulting xenomorph.
Yes and then explicitly make the troon fake woman birth a male Xenomorph and then have one character make a quippy line about it.
Your sister started that young?
Do you have an overly touchy feely uncle?
it's just a bigger, faster, stronger fricking lion with acid for blood that makes some engagements difficult. Against humanity and it's tech, it will fall the way of every other non tech species that confronts us - extinction.
Aliens is a good movie but Cameron seriously ruined the Xenomorphs by turning them into literal bugs with a queen.
The only reason the xenos in Aliens swarmed so mindlessly is because they were compelled to be their queen, and she was testing these new warrior humans, because she had the resources to spare - over 100 lethal killing machines, each with the ability to wipe out an entire planet if it should ever reach one with compatible lifeforms to breed in and parasitize.
The xenos were probably going to drag most of the damaged xenos back to the hive anyway to 'repair' them, but then they blew up in the atmosphere processor explosion.
I have a head canon where that hive stuff is an organism of its own which grows on a secreted scaffhold made by the xenos, and once a host births an alien and dies, the hive sort of breaks down the bodies and channels the nutrients where its needed, and all those weird nooks and crannies on the aliens are like USB ports where they can 'plug in' to the hive and recieve the nutrients and regenerate entire sections of their bodies - it's kind of like a giant biomechanical stomach and early warning system, so when the marines entered the hive it was sending chemical signals to all the aliens 'plugged in' so they knew there were targets entering their territory.
I'm writing my own screenplay for an alien sequel that uses this idea and expands on it, making for some really cool xenomorph lore, hope it gets made one day, and I hope you all like it.
Also, frick those skinny fleshy moron aliens in resurrection onwards, those things are not xenomorphs.
>this brainlet thread again
have a nice day spammer everybody told you why you're full of shit already many threads ago.
If you watched Alien and Aliens you know that those in Aliens are shown as more durable than the one in the first movie (they also get less screentime but that's secret knowledge).