Avatar really is Cinemaphile's equivalent of Dragon Ball in how impossible it is to have genuine discussions about it on here without rampant shitposting.
More like Cinemaphile's Eva. It's gotten so big for so long that legitimate discussion is no longer possible. It's developed it's own pathological meta posting that has degraded so far into irony and shitposting that it's impossible to even get any serious thread started.
>Concession that [HEADCANON[
I did not, I REPEAT, I DID NOT, read.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>implying DBmorons can even read
2 years ago
Anonymous
As a Jirenbro, I must say, the erudite extent of our effuse expounding shall only serve to elude the crude level of rude specimens crawling beneath the ground of this primeval expanse.
To wit, I would suggest all DBZchads an acceptance of the ignorance the denizens of this domain choose to exist in, for the brilliance of our intellect is beyond their capacity to digest or consider.
Merely observe the animals, but do not feed them, for they shall strike back in confusion.
>Avatar really is Cinemaphile's equivalent of Dragon Ball in how impossible it is to have genuine discussions about it on here without rampant shitposting.
Reddit exist if you want genuine discussion
>Bryke said they came up with the idea of Zuko and Suki becoming friends because she didn't have a connection with anyone in the Gaang besides Sokka and her character suffered for it >Cinemaphile turns it into cucking shit
I know you guys are going to post the panels of Sokka looking freaked out over Suki talking about Zuko but the fact is nothing ever happened between them.
/DBS/ influenced Cinemaphile culture and got a character into a Warner Bros game. Avatar peak in 2012 and the mods find the pony show more influential.
You haven't visited a DB thread from what it seems. That stuff there is incomprehensible shitposting powerlevel garbage. Can't go 5 posts without a crying Goku/Bejita/Gohan pic. This Avatar thread is bad but pretty normal shopping homosexualry for anything on Cinemaphile
I know you're shitposting but I genuinely have had a relationship with someone who pulled this shit on me and I was stupid enough to forgive her because she was my first girlfriend and I didn't want to lose her since we were a year into our relationship.
Needless to say, she took advantage of it and threatened to leave me whenever she didn't have her way since she knew I was too infatuated with her more than she was with me.
I nearly jumped off my apartment once because of an argument we had and it didn't help that I was trying to maintain sobriety at the same time. I eventually got my shit together and left her after 2 years, blocked her and our mutual friends, moved to another state and started over.
Don't ever put someone at a pedestal unless they're family or something. I can never trust anyone ever again and it sucks because I've turned down potential relationships with women who I'm sure were decent because I couldn't risk going through that all over again.
>Don't ever put someone at a pedestal unless they're family or something
Family can frick you over just as hard as anyone else. Don't put ANYONE on that sort of pedestal; we're all human.
>it is hard not to put your immediate family members (mum, dad, kids, etc) into a "love them no matter what" category
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Even as a shithead kid I understood how stupid unconditional love was because no matter what terrible thing I did my parents still loved me. Because they loved me no matter what I had no reason to change who I was for their sake or the relationship
Anon, family are also capable of putting you down, put yourself and only yourself on the "pedestal" otherwise you're just gonna repeat the same mistakes.
Avatar really is Cinemaphile's equivalent of Dragon Ball in how impossible it is to have genuine discussions about it on here without rampant shitposting.
Sad but true, genuine threads always die.
Also b***hes here crying about 'muh cuckold shitpost' but we unironically had Zutara v Kataang prime autism like two weeks ago, Cinemaphile has been discussing this show for more than 15 years, idk what did you expect, specially here of all places.
the only way this can work is if you're both degenerate bawds having threesomes on the regular
if she refuses or you're not into that, get the frick out of there asap
>Never put someone on a pedestal... >Unless they're family.
You're making this too easy.
Avatar really is Cinemaphile's equivalent of Dragon Ball in how impossible it is to have genuine discussions about it on here without rampant shitposting.
>Expects post-LoK genuine Avatar discussions Our writers are fricking hacks, Aang vs Ozai was the most plot-armor ending ever.
>"A pointy rock hit my back and now I can do the avatar mode despite having 'lost' it and all the build-up quantifying I 'lost' it The writers literally cancelled season 4 because they thought the live-action ATLA movie would be a huge success. The movie bombed, we lost season four, and years later we got the dumpster fire of LoK that destrpyed all the world building. WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU WANT FROM US.
>AAAAAH SAVE ME POINTY ROCK
Yeah, that shit was moronic
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Sokka is an incel. Get over it. He wasn't funny either. Everyone is laughing at him not with him, in the show and outside he show.
Not sure if he's an incel but to me he must jizz it off a lot on his own OR fricks Katara all the time like one of those incognitymous comics
Believe me, I like the idea of Tokka but I don't like the idea of Suki having an affair with Zuko and all this cucking bs. If anything, Suki and Sokka would've separated amicably since both their jobs require them to be far away from each other for a long period of time. Then you can have Tokka and Zuki without any drama.
[...] >Zuko burnes down Suki's village
This, I find it BS how quickly she's so forgiving of Zuko and then she becomes his bestie and confidant when that role could've gone to Ty Lee which would make more sense.
I find it more ooc for Zuko to cuck his buddy whom but then again, almost everyone is busting his balls on the comics for whatever stupid reason so I guess that can drive his sense of honor down the road.
>The writers literally cancelled season 4 because they thought the live-action ATLA movie would be a huge success
No, that's a myth. They were never planning a season 4.
I mean what would that season even be about? Finding Zuko's mom?
It would be a massive step down in stakes after saving the world
>No, that's a myth. They were never planning a season 4.
They're not going to admit it now. Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor and the show ends without address other plot points? e.g. Tophs parents, Azula's insanity, and Zuko's search for his mother. And before people can start poking holes in the ending, a live-action movie is advertised to everyone? Priorities were made. Call it what you want. It's obvious the live-action project got picked over the show.
>What would season 4 even be about? Finding Zuko's mom?
That's the cliffhanger ATLA ends with when Zuko asks Ozai where his mother is. As we've seen from LoK, the writers are not competent. We can poke holes in season 4 and say it would of been bad. But anything would of been better than the live-action movie.
>Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor
He always had plot armor, if you mean how unexplained him getting the avatar state is, I don't think that's because it was rushed but because they just wanted to have the stakes of Aang not being able to enter the Avatar state for part of the battle, but then still have one last great Avatar state moment, and that was just the best way to do it without making it obvious or spending too much time on something which didn't really matter.
>the cliffhangers
I mean Azula's insanity and Toph's parrents are barely a cliffhanger.
And Zuko's mom was a big thing, but they probably put that there for a different story, not another season.
Bryke set out from the beginning to make a trilogy, not a four parter.
If a fourth season was to be made, it would have been without them most likely, just a corporate thing.
>He always had plot armor. >They just wanted to have the stakes
Aang and his friends failed multiple times before. It is clearly stated that Aang had lost his avatar-state power but gets it back at the last second. There are no stakes if Aang has plot armor. It was a bad ending that ignored all the "stakes" and setup. ATLA's ending is either poorly written or rushed.
>Bryke set out from the beginning to make a trilogy.
ATLA was made as they went. They didn't know they'd get a second season to begin with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ATLA was made as they went. They didn't know they'd get a second season to begin with.
Yes but Bryke was always making the show with the intentions of it being a three season show.
Moreover the past failures of the gAang only show that the ending was supposed to be the ending.
It's the rule of three, the gAang fails first at Ba Sing Se, then at the Day of Black sun, then they finally win at Sozin's comet.
If they lost four times, that would be too many structure wise
>Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor and the show ends without address other plot points?
That was due to poor episode management. That's why season 3 had 21 episodes.
I personally think Avatar started to lose it's plot at the day of the black sun/eclipse episode, but whatever season 4 could have had on it's store it would have probably been better than making zuko the type of character whom just wont catch a fricking break, heavily implications of cucking Sokka, Mai being the new "Zuko" which just doesnt work, fanfiction tier bending and so on.
Yeah also kinda undermines the training Aang went through but it's a small hick up in an otherwise good show. Tok really should have explored more of that Spirit bending stuff instead of how the first Avatar Aladdin became a carpet bender to fight against le evil Avatar who is also a carpet bender
>I genuinely have had a relationship with someone who pulled this shit on me and I was stupid enough to forgive her
Stopped reading right there, my dad literally told my multiple times that if this ever happens like cheating to be done with the person and mean it. Literally one of the few pieces of advices that made up for all the shit he did.
There's something so.... adding... to this that you're having this big 'letting it off my chest' moment here on an anonymous internet board about cartoons and comics.
I for one respect you for sharing this.
I honestly always thought, until that art of the gang grown up, that Suki and Yue were kinda out of Sokka's league like Yue was too pretty for him while Suki was the type that wouldn't give a guy like Sokka respect because he looked like a wimp compared to her initially.
Now Zuko, on the other hand, with his status as Prince then Fire Lord? And how much more masculine he looked compared to Sokka when they both were young? He's a better fit for Suki than Sokka because it'd made sense that Suki would find him attractive.
I always thought Toph was a better ideal girlfriend to Sokka with her being blind, she didn't have the same superficiality as most girls so she could actually pay attention to Sokka's personality through her interactions with him. The show also hinted at her having a crush on him anyway. I'm kinda pissed that they didn't make Sokka a detective after the war with Toph rising to become Chief of Police, the two of them could've become a team and developed their relationship naturally.
I'm stealing this headcanon. I don't care how it was or will be in the future about le ''lore'', I've decided on which It is(for me) The time where i watch the first episode I won't know the future, It's not set in stone, truly.
>Well, for that matter, the comics also have some Tokka moments
Do you think they're setting that up for a future comic?
Because they also have a gag where Sokka says "Does anyone care how I'm doing?!" (I think the gaang was mostly ignoring him for a bit) and then Toph says "I Care." and punches him in the arm.
I'm all for it, I never thought about Tokka as a ship until I re-watched the series recently, but yeah I really like that pairing. It's very cute.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They might reveal Sokka to be Suyin's father.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wish they did, its unlike Sokka to not have fathered a child but then again it might imply that he was an absent father.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It would also be unlike him to be an absent father, although I could definitely see Toph lying to him about Suyin's parentage. I don't know if he would be that easy to fool though. If he had any suspicion at all he would probably stick around, even if only as "Uncle" Sokka. Suyin definitely seems like a blend of the two though, even beyond the physical characteristics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Suyin definitely seems like a blend of the two though, even beyond the physical characteristics.
Not even close.
Why do we hate her now? Did something happen in Avatar recently that made her a b***h?
Sokkacels are mad that even their self inserts canon pairing didnt bang him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It would also be unlike him to be an absent father,
Yeah Sokka does seem like a person who likes kids. (Especially once he stops being a teen)
He trains the little kids in the first episode and he takes care of Mai's baby brother.
If Suyin was Sokka's, then the story is probably that Sokka and Toph had an affair while maybe Sokka was married or something. And then Toph, not wanting for Sokka to suffer that scandal, never told Sokka.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Suki had an affair with Zuko >Sokka likewise had an affair with Toph
This cheating caravan keeps going in circles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If they did that though it means Toph and Sokka never got into a long term romantic relationship since Suyin doesn't know who her dad is I believe.
It could be something like them deciding not to let the world know about their affair and Suyin to avoid a scandal or paparazzi about two heroes of Team Avatar having a kid together.
Idk.
I guess it would be cool.
We also never learn about what happens to Suki, which is a bit weird.
Sokka is probably more handsome then the show shows.
And he does look like a stud when he's hair is down.
I bet the main thing is his commitment to changing himself.
There's a futurama where one cylinder robot with no human features other than a mouth and googly eyes says "My favorite two things are change and commitment." and then Leela and this girl instantly fall in love with it.
Sokka abandoned his whole world view and gender stereotypes after like one day with the Kiyoshi warriors.
To Suki that probably makes her feel listened too and that Sokka is a keeper.
With Yue, she probably likes how Sokka is earnest, funny, and humble compared to her boring arrogant dope of a fiance.
>I'm kinda pissed that they didn't make Sokka a detective after the war with Toph rising to become Chief of Police, the two of them could've become a team and developed their relationship naturally.
That would have been great.
But it would have defeated Sokka's character arc about becoming a leader, for him to take up a profession which was nothing to do with leading.
they should have made him the chief of the Southern Water Tribe. (or wait, was he?)
You can still fulfill the leadership stuff if you depict him as the leader of his own private detective agency working closely with metal bender police. Then once he gets older he steps up as the Southern Water Tribe chieftain after his dad retires or passes away.
>they should have made him the chief of the Southern Water Tribe. (or wait, was he?)
Yep he was chief for a time after he was a Republic City councilman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cool. His father was the chief so it checks out.
Season 2 of Korra would have been a lot cooler if Katara was the chieftainess of the Southern Water Tribe since Sokka passed away.
Or if the new characters who were the chiefs were Sokka's children
Believe me, I like the idea of Tokka but I don't like the idea of Suki having an affair with Zuko and all this cucking bs. If anything, Suki and Sokka would've separated amicably since both their jobs require them to be far away from each other for a long period of time. Then you can have Tokka and Zuki without any drama.
This.
Toph should also be able to relate to Zuko.
Suki and Sokka both had large families with the Southern Water Tribe and the Kiyoshi warriors, they probably weren't ever lonely people.
Toph on the other hand never had a friend until she joined the gAang.
And she is the only member of the gAang with really no bad memories of Zuko.
Zuko burned down Suki's village.
>Zuko burnes down Suki's village
This, I find it BS how quickly she's so forgiving of Zuko and then she becomes his bestie and confidant when that role could've gone to Ty Lee which would make more sense.
>I find it BS how quickly she's so forgiving of Zuko
Well Zuko would also break her out of prison, and her village was mostly alright after Aang put out the fire.
So she wouldn't hold a grudge towards Zuko.
But yeah, she shouldn't really care about him.
Honestly the only reason the comics did that was just to give Suki something to do and allow Sokka to spend time with Toph which is a much more entertaining dynamic than Sokka and Suki.
They already had the lovey dovey stuff with Aang and Katara anyways
I'm stealing this headcanon. I don't care how it was or will be in the future about le ''lore'', I've decided on which It is(for me) The time where i watch the first episode I won't know the future, It's not set in stone, truly.
Well, for that matter, the comics also have some Tokka moments
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Dont really care about cucking aang, but WaterCest is damn hot
Sokka is probably more handsome then the show shows.
And he does look like a stud when he's hair is down.
I bet the main thing is his commitment to changing himself.
There's a futurama where one cylinder robot with no human features other than a mouth and googly eyes says "My favorite two things are change and commitment." and then Leela and this girl instantly fall in love with it.
Sokka abandoned his whole world view and gender stereotypes after like one day with the Kiyoshi warriors.
To Suki that probably makes her feel listened too and that Sokka is a keeper.
With Yue, she probably likes how Sokka is earnest, funny, and humble compared to her boring arrogant dope of a fiance.
Sokka is an incel. Get over it. He wasn't funny either. Everyone is laughing at him not with him, in the show and outside he show.
>He wasn't funny either.
But Long Feng is long gone.
Is there any worth Avatar comic?
The first comic set, I think it's called "The Rift," Is alright.
It ties up most of the loose ends from the show.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what about the other comics?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I haven't read most of them, "the Search" is where you get to find out about Zuko's mom. And it's got some interesting elements to it.
It fricks up Azula's character though.
Also I messed up the name of the comic I thought was good. The comic I liked was "The Promise"
I don't like the ones after those since they don't cover anything I cared about in the show. They mostly exist to set up the Legend of Korra
2 years ago
Anonymous
well i remember reading the zuko´s mom since it was so set up by the show and i really hated it
Why is Toph sound unusually cold to Zuko in this particular panel. It would honestly made more sense if it was Toph who would say he was lonely. Judging from their past conversations.
This.
Toph should also be able to relate to Zuko.
Suki and Sokka both had large families with the Southern Water Tribe and the Kiyoshi warriors, they probably weren't ever lonely people.
Toph on the other hand never had a friend until she joined the gAang.
And she is the only member of the gAang with really no bad memories of Zuko.
Zuko burned down Suki's village.
Finished Rise of Kyoshi yesterday, it was alright. Did we really need origin stories for every single article of clothing kyoshi will wear for the next 200 years of her life?
>be Sokka >meet Yue >she becomes the moon >meet Suki >Suki sleeps with Zuko >he remembers his chemistry with toph >toph is now the town bicycle and already pregnant with Lin >become incel >die at age 50 >never found his space sword again
>Zuko gets cucked >Sokka gets cucked >Toph is a used up prostitute >Aang gave his kids crippling autism and they all lead cursed lives >The spirit of the Avatar is destroyed
Yes this is now how every story in my favorite childhood show ends. Ugliness and failure.
>Aang gave his kids crippling autism and they all lead cursed lives
This what really annoys me. Aang should have been a great parent that he puts it above his avatar duties.
>Zuko got kids and grandkid(s)?, one who's based >Toph got kids and grandkids despite family life not being her thing >Aang and Katara had 3 children, one incel, one lesbian and Tenzin who married and reproduced >meanwhile Sokka got a statue
>Toph got kids and grandkids despite family life not being her thing
She's a delirious crone who rode a wiener carousel, got knocked up twice, and emotionally crippled her daughter. Perpetuating your mental sickness and dying alone and unmourned is not a victory.
Remember Cinemaphile, forgiving someone for cheating on you is effectively just giving them permission to keep doing it, that shit is a one and done sort of deal.
True.
But I don't pretend to know all circumstances, if there was such circumstances, and the woman later makes it up to you. Seriously shows their dedication to you, then idk.
if all of those conditions were met I could forgive. But that's mainly because I'm innately passive.
If a girl ever tries to downplay something, or start an 'open relationship' or any other horseshit, just put her out the door. You can do better. Even an ugly woman who's faithful and true is a thousand times better than a hot prostitute.
They thought you were dead maybe?
They hadn't realized they had schizophrenia and had an affair out of some delusion telling them they had too until they realize that the needed to take their pills?
They were paid an absurd amount of money like a million bucks they were playing to share with me?
idk.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, these are just the plotlines of shitty early 2000's rom-coms, real life just doesn't work like that outside of a handful of extremely rare headlines.
I don't think Bryke have written any of the comics. They give the go ahead and can override any creative decisions they aren't on board with, but the actual events in those comics I think are written by individual random writers.
And Bryke rarely put their feet down on anything. The only thing that they really didn't allow their writers to do was Zutara from what I know
>I don't think Bryke have written any of the comics.
Bryke was heavily involved in the ATLA comics. For Gene Yang has given interviews where he heavily implied that they were involved, for example, with the creation of the mother of faces sprit.
>Whose decision was it to make Zuko a cuck? I like Zuki shitposting as much as the next guy but this is painful.
Bryke love cucking bros for some reason
>Bryke love cucking bros for some reason
Zuko was not a cuck; Mai broke up with after he started visiting Ozai in secret since she risked her life for him and brought the Kyoshi Warriors to protect him and yet he still didn't trust her enough with his issues.
The real problem is Mai essentially committing treason against Zuko and then having it swept under the rug by her making a stupid as frick comparison between Zuko's struggle to betray Ozai and her struggle to turn in Ukano.
>The real problem is Mai essentially committing treason against Zuko and then having it swept under the rug by her making a stupid as frick comparison between Zuko's struggle to betray Ozai and her struggle to turn in Ukano.
>If a King's woman fricks anyone else, ever, he's been cucked. There's no "breaking up" with a king.
It is hurts that no one respects Zuko (though to be fair Zuko hasn't done much to be respected by his people), but Zuko is trying to be a different ruler than Ozai or Azula who would have forced Mai to stay at fire point or burned Kei Lo in the picrel for his back talk.
Kei Lo deserved to be burned. This is feudal politics. If you let someone frick with you that openly then you're already dead, people will be plotting your demise before you even come to power. Feudal rule is basically just being the head tard wrangler. If you're not wrangling tards why did you take the job?
>If you let someone frick with you that openly then you're already dead, people will be plotting your demise before you even come to power. Feudal rule is basically just being the head tard wrangler. If you're not wrangling tards why did you take the job?
Because if push comes to shove, Aang will intervene and no stands a chance against him.
That and all the clamaints to the throne are either in jail without their bending (Ozai), doesn't want the the throne and supports Zuko (Iroh), or is insane and/or missing (Azula).
she weirdly sends a group of women to take care of him 24/7, so I assume Mai thought the Kyoshy's were a bit of bawds kek
>Never put someone on a pedestal... >Unless they're family.
You're making this too easy.
[...] >Expects post-LoK genuine Avatar discussions Our writers are fricking hacks, Aang vs Ozai was the most plot-armor ending ever.
>"A pointy rock hit my back and now I can do the avatar mode despite having 'lost' it and all the build-up quantifying I 'lost' it The writers literally cancelled season 4 because they thought the live-action ATLA movie would be a huge success. The movie bombed, we lost season four, and years later we got the dumpster fire of LoK that destrpyed all the world building. WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU WANT FROM US.
>Avatar movie
Never saw it, only fragments on here and it looks autistic af.
I must say though that I remember ppl thinking James Cameron Avatar's movie anyone barely remembers was related to the show kek.
>No, that's a myth. They were never planning a season 4.
They're not going to admit it now. Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor and the show ends without address other plot points? e.g. Tophs parents, Azula's insanity, and Zuko's search for his mother. And before people can start poking holes in the ending, a live-action movie is advertised to everyone? Priorities were made. Call it what you want. It's obvious the live-action project got picked over the show.
>What would season 4 even be about? Finding Zuko's mom?
That's the cliffhanger ATLA ends with when Zuko asks Ozai where his mother is. As we've seen from LoK, the writers are not competent. We can poke holes in season 4 and say it would of been bad. But anything would of been better than the live-action movie.
>Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor
He always had plot armor, if you mean how unexplained him getting the avatar state is, I don't think that's because it was rushed but because they just wanted to have the stakes of Aang not being able to enter the Avatar state for part of the battle, but then still have one last great Avatar state moment, and that was just the best way to do it without making it obvious or spending too much time on something which didn't really matter.
>the cliffhangers
I mean Azula's insanity and Toph's parrents are barely a cliffhanger.
And Zuko's mom was a big thing, but they probably put that there for a different story, not another season.
Bryke set out from the beginning to make a trilogy, not a four parter.
If a fourth season was to be made, it would have been without them most likely, just a corporate thing.
seeing that Ursa gets somewhat referenced in the first episode of Korra, they knew about the Ursa cliffhanger
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I think my brain just malfunctioned and I'm imagining this thread
The same comic has some guys throw smoke at an airbender and actually succeding at it, so try not to think about it that much.
>so I assume Mai thought the Kyoshy's were a bit of bawds kek
after how easily her, Ty Lee and Azula beat them up and stole their clothes, you can't blame Mai for assuming their fighting skills weren't their main use
He's the suzerain puppet shame king installed by the avatar as reparations for a hundred years of bloody war, be thankful he wasn't castrated(or forced to have a castrated kyoshi foreign power bodyguard retinue to watch over his every move and end him the moment he steps outta line, I mean he still has them but they are hot)
>Zuko is the avatar's puppet
Nah, that would be Iroh, he waited for the "right" moment to rise up with the white lotus hence why he never blinked an eye to Ozai's rule and didnt dare to challenge him even after the guy burnt half of his nephew's face.
old tard filled the prince's mind with muh pacifist ideas despite building his reputation on burning Ba Sing Se peassants, putted him on charge and "retired" to not leave any suspicions.
T. Ozai from his dungeon
There’s actually a really good fanfic that deals with this exact issue. It pretty much starts off with Iroh usurping Zuko as Firelord becuase he refused to allow the Fire Nation to be bankrupted with paying out reperations to the other nations.
>Iroh usurping Zuko as Firelord
the problem with that is that Zuko wanted him to be firelord in the first place, it was Iroh that had to talk Zuko in to taking the throne. Zuko outright says that the only reason Iroh wasn't around in the firenation after Ozia was deposed was because he wanted nothing to do with politics and just wanted to run his tea shop
They're all mediocre at best, but at least the search had the interesting plot of Zuko's mother everyone so damn much wanted those days, sadly, it kills her character.
If they did that though it means Toph and Sokka never got into a long term romantic relationship since Suyin doesn't know who her dad is I believe.
It could be something like them deciding not to let the world know about their affair and Suyin to avoid a scandal or paparazzi about two heroes of Team Avatar having a kid together.
Idk.
I guess it would be cool.
We also never learn about what happens to Suki, which is a bit weird.
None of the Bei Fong sisters know who their parent is, at least on the show, ppl theorized it could either been Zuko or Sokka either parent missing of the milf bastards and didnt gave away their identity to protect their reputations (firelord and councilman).
Whose decision was it to make Zuko a cuck? I like Zuki shitposting as much as the next guy but this is painful.
Mai dumped him, but this scene was pathetic and Azula roasted him
Cinemaphile was all over their heads about the incestuous moments once again when this comic came out, as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
>Cinemaphile was all over their heads about the incestuous moments once again when this comic came out,
Not a Zucest shipper, but I can see how picrel, along with Azula's master plan in general, made the Zucest anons go wild.
>as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
That never happened. Ursa just got reinstated as a princess while Zuko recognized Kiyi as one.
the fire daggers really look stupid in still frames.
Plus when did Azula know how to do them?
Ah well she would have picked them up from Zuko somewhere down the line.
Zuko is the only character in the show seen to use that move, and he only down it twice
They don't really make a lot of sense.
Maybe they're like super dense fire, so somewhat like plasma, where it's got a semi solid form, that way it could clash.
To me I can't understand why they would be beneath the hands, facing towards the body, instead of above them, more towards the enemy
the fire daggers really look stupid in still frames.
Plus when did Azula know how to do them?
Ah well she would have picked them up from Zuko somewhere down the line.
Zuko is the only character in the show seen to use that move, and he only down it twice
I don't even know how that's supposed to work. Are they solid? How can they clash fire daggers?
>Clashing fire daggers >CLASHING >FIRE >DAGGERS
I think my brain just malfunctioned and I'm imagining this thread
No? Cinemaphile Avatar's OTP has always been Zucest rather than those normie pairings such as Zutara, Kataang or Tyzula and such
>Cinemaphile was all over their heads about the incestuous moments once again when this comic came out,
Not a Zucest shipper, but I can see how picrel, along with Azula's master plan in general, made the Zucest anons go wild.
>as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
That never happened. Ursa just got reinstated as a princess while Zuko recognized Kiyi as one.
>son's little princesses
Whew lad, imagine the FN historians
No
t. never read a single page of the comics
This, basically, you got some autist posting the same comic panels over and over though.
Gonna have to throw a big disagree here. Honestly something that really bugged me in the original show was the weird cliffhanger bit at the last second of ‘but where is Zukos mom?’ It seemed pretty clear to me that zukos mom would probably have died at that point and I don’t see what it would have added to the story to have her found later in her presumed old age. Some characters are better as posthumous influences
>Cinemaphile was all over their heads about the incestuous moments once again when this comic came out,
Not a Zucest shipper, but I can see how picrel, along with Azula's master plan in general, made the Zucest anons go wild.
>as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
That never happened. Ursa just got reinstated as a princess while Zuko recognized Kiyi as one.
>as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
Hot af
his little sister Ursa had with the guy from the village she was from
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>his little sister Ursa had with the guy from the village she was from
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I have to agree with Azula here. I have no idea what they wanted to do in the comics, but having Ursa turn out to be a spiteful b***h and a frankly terrible mother who abandoned her children and then willingly forgot about them to be with her ex, is what they managed.
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>frankly terrible mother who abandoned her children
She was forced to leave the palace due to Ozai fearing she would use her OP poison on him next. So she didn't abandon her kids but was forced to leave them so Ozai wouldn't kill her after she saved Zuko's life. Or all three of them if she tried taking them with her. But the better argument for calling Ursa a bad mother is why didn't she use the poison on Ozai and Azulon? That or the bastard letter that should have led Zuko to being killed if Ozai was just a bit smarter.
>hen willingly forgot about them to be with her ex, is what they managed.
I felt bad for Zuko and Azula, wished Zuko expressed some anger about it, and wished Azula was portrayed as crazy for being angry about it, but think about it from Ursa's POV.
Ozai is presumably going to rule for decades and will likely succeed in making Zuko and Azula into the monsters he wants to be. Iroh (remember Ursa had no way of knowing about his redemption), if he ever shows up again, is likely to fight Ozai for the throne and even if he kills Ozai, he'll still raise her kids to be monsters. And if Iroh ever finds out about how she helped Ozai kill his beloved father? Who knows what might happen?
Not to mention the fact that despite knowing the life or death consequences, Ursa knows she will try to see, or even free, her kids, potentially getting herself, as well as them, killed if Ozai ever catches wind of her.
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I agree with her decision to poison the fire lord and leave and I understand her bitter fake letter, even if it was a stupid impulsive move. But willingly forgetting her children is unforgivable.
The show presented Ursa as the loving parent of the siblings, the one who nurtured the good in Zuko and tried the same for Azula who also mysteriously left while telling Zuko to always remember who he is. The comic presents her as short sighted, impulse and spiteful. She is meant to be the mother bear who would do anything to protect her children but instead of trying to protect them from the shadows or overthrow Ozai, she chose to forget and wash her hands from the whole affair, what is that if not extremely selfish. Any other explanation would have been better.
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>She is meant to be the mother bear who would do anything to protect her children but instead of trying to protect them from the shadows or overthrow Ozai, she chose to forget and wash her hands from the whole affair, what is that if not extremely selfish.
But what could she have done to overthrow Ozai, especially since at the time of her mindwipe, there is no way she could have forseen Iroh's heel-face turn, which not only ended up saving Zuko's soul in the long-run, but also led to Ozai's downfall.
Alright Idk if this is the right thread to ask this, as someone who has basically no skin in shipping, wouldn't have even thought about this stuff 2 months ago, doesn't self insert, and only gained interest after being convinced that based off their polar opposite moral alignments but relatively parallel character traits that they would make for an interesting romance, why does Sokkla have a high level of hate at least on Cinemaphile? I only like it because I think they make for great fuel for a well written enemy/friends/lovers romantic story or a post cannon redemption arc romance or friendship and have almost zero interest in everything else shipping related, but it rarely pops up here from what I've seen and when people talk about it all I hear are self insert accusations or that the idea is soulless. I just want to know the reasoning of people who hate it but based off the characters themselves and not just hating the people who like it.
The self insert accusations practically go for everyone here, specially for the guys that like incest for some reason, so you shouldnt worry much about it
about Sokkla, it's fine.. I guess.
Tbqh it kinda strikes me down as Zutara but with less background, although at least they share one or two direct intense moments between them, if you wanna know why it doesnt get mentioned a lot go search 'how i became yours' fanfic.
That's a fair response, thanks. I honestly forgot that they had a few scenes focusing on each other in cannon for a while. I wasn't really thinking about what seeds of interaction justified the ship, just whether or not the dynamic could make for good fiction. So basically either something would start in post cannon, or in an AU or different timeline instead of relying on what happened mid show to justify itself like I assume people do with other ships. Also this 'how i became yours' fanfic looks absolutely horrendous so I can definitely see it doing reputational damage.
As a youth I always liked her in her big goofy samurai costume, she was painfully bland without it. I liked how she was all regimented and tough without being really b***hy.
i just came here just to say i will report the thread for low quality, even if is against the rule
threads to talk subdletly about anything but Cinemaphile should not allowed
and yes, i'm even talking to you, the "free speech" advocate who will inevitably pop up.
Studies support the theory that wanton sex with strangers destroys the ability to pair-bond with one's husband/wife. Being a bawd literally marks you for the streets.
Imagine making Mai such an insufferable prostitute that people start shipping Zuko with his buddy's gf and it works because they have actual chemistry.
I haven't kept up with Avatar shit, what happened to Suki? All I remember is that she was in the opening shot of the first episode of Korra and then never mentioned again. Found it weird how her and Sokka apparently never had kids.
Would explain why the Dai Li simped for her so badly, but they're prob a bunch of eunuchs at the same time
Cant get why the Earth King is still b***hless though
Weren't fire whips a thing in the show thought? I thought Zuko used them when fighting Katara at the end of S2.
Not that I remember, there were water whips at some point though
>So just how thorough is the dai lee brainwashing? What kind of services are we talking about here?
depends, random person picked up off the street and given a quick session, or Joo Dee trained every day from a young age?
>depends, random person picked up off the street and given a quick session, or Joo Dee trained every day from a young age?
I wonder if you could ask Joo Dees for sex.
>I wonder if you could ask Joo Dees for sex.
depends on if their brains are currently switched on or off I'd imagine
>depends on if their brains are currently switched on or off I'd imagine
Does anyone know of any fics that have the Dai Li use the Joo Dees as sex slaves both for their pleasure and to maintain control over the nobility? Because if Avatar was more adult, I am pretty sure the Dai Li would have prostituted the Joo Dees out considering they are brainwashed unaccounted for young women.
>back here in reality...
I wonder how hard /co is going to seethe once it is confirmed Mai becomes Zuko's Fire Lady and mother to Izumi? Especially if Azula never even reconciles with anyone, including Zuko?
Is the Ursa segment of the comics a part of the comics that can be surgically separated from the other shitty Gaang relationship drama of the comics that can be enjoyed independently?
I haven't read the comics. I was waiting until they were all done. But in the years I just saw you people raging non-stop about how fricking bad the comics were and I just treated them as radioactive and just believed Ursa killed Azulon for Ozai and Ozai just killed her immediately afterwards.
I'm just compiling all my Avatar shit into a single folder for people and omitting all the awful shit and I'm wondering if there's any series of the comics that is worth salvaging or if I should just continue pretending they don't exist.
>Is the Ursa segment of the comics a part of the comics that can be surgically separated from the other shitty Gaang relationship drama of the comics that can be enjoyed independently?
No, because the search for Ursa leads to Azula escaping Zuko's custody and to more family angst. Especially since Azula is for the most part responsible for all the events in Smoke and Shadow, the last Fire Nation centered comics trilogy.
>I haven't read the comics. I was waiting until they were all done. But in the years I just saw you people raging non-stop about how fricking bad the comics were and I just treated them as radioactive
Not really, it's just one autist spamming these, you can notice by the filenames whom insists on discussing the same comic panels over and over because he jerks off to them daily, anons just crop and meme/shitpost the panels they like, homosexual OP or Sokka self-inserter
back here in reality...
Like here are good examples
I know you're shitposting but I genuinely have had a relationship with someone who pulled this shit on me and I was stupid enough to forgive her because she was my first girlfriend and I didn't want to lose her since we were a year into our relationship.
Needless to say, she took advantage of it and threatened to leave me whenever she didn't have her way since she knew I was too infatuated with her more than she was with me.
I nearly jumped off my apartment once because of an argument we had and it didn't help that I was trying to maintain sobriety at the same time. I eventually got my shit together and left her after 2 years, blocked her and our mutual friends, moved to another state and started over.
Don't ever put someone at a pedestal unless they're family or something. I can never trust anyone ever again and it sucks because I've turned down potential relationships with women who I'm sure were decent because I couldn't risk going through that all over again.
No, you're black Suki
Avatar really is Cinemaphile's equivalent of Dragon Ball in how impossible it is to have genuine discussions about it on here without rampant shitposting.
Sad but true, genuine threads always die.
More like Cinemaphile's Eva. It's gotten so big for so long that legitimate discussion is no longer possible. It's developed it's own pathological meta posting that has degraded so far into irony and shitposting that it's impossible to even get any serious thread started.
Sounds like a problem with the people rather than the media itself
Yeah. Nobody ever suggested anything to the contrary.
Of course. If anything it's a compliment, since only the really great shows seem to have enough longevity and staying power to develop this phenomena.
DB and every flavor of DBZ is awful, so nothing good could be had
>implying you can have genuine discussions on Cinemaphile if it was a different cartoon or comic
I mean, yeah, you can--it happens all the time.
So what about this then?
Non-genuine discussions don't erase the genuine discussions. What kind of logic is this? Are you five?
NTA but you gotta agree 9 times out of 10 threads usually dissolve into coomposting or political shit, that’s all the internet is good for nowadays
You pathetic welps WISH you were half as good as us DBscholars. We RULE this place. You best not forget it.
now RUN.
you clowns are a joke on both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile.
I accept your conssesion.
Concession that you're a joke? Okay, good to know you've finally accepted that.
>Concession that [HEADCANON[
I did not, I REPEAT, I DID NOT, read.
>implying DBmorons can even read
As a Jirenbro, I must say, the erudite extent of our effuse expounding shall only serve to elude the crude level of rude specimens crawling beneath the ground of this primeval expanse.
To wit, I would suggest all DBZchads an acceptance of the ignorance the denizens of this domain choose to exist in, for the brilliance of our intellect is beyond their capacity to digest or consider.
Merely observe the animals, but do not feed them, for they shall strike back in confusion.
Anon-sama I kneel
>Avatar really is Cinemaphile's equivalent of Dragon Ball in how impossible it is to have genuine discussions about it on here without rampant shitposting.
Reddit exist if you want genuine discussion
keyed
>Bryke said they came up with the idea of Zuko and Suki becoming friends because she didn't have a connection with anyone in the Gaang besides Sokka and her character suffered for it
>Cinemaphile turns it into cucking shit
I know you guys are going to post the panels of Sokka looking freaked out over Suki talking about Zuko but the fact is nothing ever happened between them.
Well, much like Dragonball, there's nothing really left to discuss of the original, and all the new content for it is trash.
b***h please, you haven't come anywhere close to the powerlevel of shitposting in an average Dragon Ball thread.
/DBS/ influenced Cinemaphile culture and got a character into a Warner Bros game. Avatar peak in 2012 and the mods find the pony show more influential.
You haven't visited a DB thread from what it seems. That stuff there is incomprehensible shitposting powerlevel garbage. Can't go 5 posts without a crying Goku/Bejita/Gohan pic. This Avatar thread is bad but pretty normal shopping homosexualry for anything on Cinemaphile
Such smugness
I know you're shitposting but I genuinely have had a relationship with someone who pulled this shit on me and I was stupid enough to forgive her because she was my first girlfriend and I didn't want to lose her since we were a year into our relationship.
Needless to say, she took advantage of it and threatened to leave me whenever she didn't have her way since she knew I was too infatuated with her more than she was with me.
I nearly jumped off my apartment once because of an argument we had and it didn't help that I was trying to maintain sobriety at the same time. I eventually got my shit together and left her after 2 years, blocked her and our mutual friends, moved to another state and started over.
Don't ever put someone at a pedestal unless they're family or something. I can never trust anyone ever again and it sucks because I've turned down potential relationships with women who I'm sure were decent because I couldn't risk going through that all over again.
>pennywise is a cuck
Yeah, no wonder ppl think Captain Spaulding is better, mogged by the two Halloween remakes
>Don't ever put someone at a pedestal unless they're family or something
Family can frick you over just as hard as anyone else. Don't put ANYONE on that sort of pedestal; we're all human.
You are not wrong but it is hard not to put your immediate family members (mum, dad, kids, etc) into a "love them no matter what" category
>it is hard not to put your immediate family members (mum, dad, kids, etc) into a "love them no matter what" category
?
Even as a shithead kid I understood how stupid unconditional love was because no matter what terrible thing I did my parents still loved me. Because they loved me no matter what I had no reason to change who I was for their sake or the relationship
Inverse for me, I'm trying to be better because of that, I just don't want to be a disappointment to the people that actually care about me
well not everyone is a wierdo sociopath like you
This is the difference of a person who's worth having a relationship with and one who's not.
Anon, family are also capable of putting you down, put yourself and only yourself on the "pedestal" otherwise you're just gonna repeat the same mistakes.
Also b***hes here crying about 'muh cuckold shitpost' but we unironically had Zutara v Kataang prime autism like two weeks ago, Cinemaphile has been discussing this show for more than 15 years, idk what did you expect, specially here of all places.
>Also b***hes here crying about 'muh cuckold shitpost'
Literally just pointed out how Avatar is near-impossible to discuss anymore. Chill.
Anon, I ask once again: where do you think we are?
Even last Suki thread had genuine discussions, but they were pretty damn boring
this, only way to uncuck yourself
the 2nd remake was pretty meh, best thing was the 'kills' like the title itself says though.
Scrubs was such a good fricking show.
Should have just raped her and the guy she fricked.
the only way this can work is if you're both degenerate bawds having threesomes on the regular
if she refuses or you're not into that, get the frick out of there asap
I would go as far as don't put anyone on a pedestal, not even your parents. It puts unrealistic expectations on both sides.
>Never put someone on a pedestal...
>Unless they're family.
You're making this too easy.
>Expects post-LoK genuine Avatar discussions
Our writers are fricking hacks, Aang vs Ozai was the most plot-armor ending ever.
>"A pointy rock hit my back and now I can do the avatar mode despite having 'lost' it and all the build-up quantifying I 'lost' it
The writers literally cancelled season 4 because they thought the live-action ATLA movie would be a huge success. The movie bombed, we lost season four, and years later we got the dumpster fire of LoK that destrpyed all the world building. WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU WANT FROM US.
>AAAAAH SAVE ME POINTY ROCK
Yeah, that shit was moronic
Not sure if he's an incel but to me he must jizz it off a lot on his own OR fricks Katara all the time like one of those incognitymous comics
I find it more ooc for Zuko to cuck his buddy whom but then again, almost everyone is busting his balls on the comics for whatever stupid reason so I guess that can drive his sense of honor down the road.
This must be the only time where NTR benefits both parties.
>The writers literally cancelled season 4 because they thought the live-action ATLA movie would be a huge success
No, that's a myth. They were never planning a season 4.
I mean what would that season even be about? Finding Zuko's mom?
It would be a massive step down in stakes after saving the world
>No, that's a myth. They were never planning a season 4.
They're not going to admit it now. Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor and the show ends without address other plot points? e.g. Tophs parents, Azula's insanity, and Zuko's search for his mother. And before people can start poking holes in the ending, a live-action movie is advertised to everyone? Priorities were made. Call it what you want. It's obvious the live-action project got picked over the show.
>What would season 4 even be about? Finding Zuko's mom?
That's the cliffhanger ATLA ends with when Zuko asks Ozai where his mother is. As we've seen from LoK, the writers are not competent. We can poke holes in season 4 and say it would of been bad. But anything would of been better than the live-action movie.
>Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor
He always had plot armor, if you mean how unexplained him getting the avatar state is, I don't think that's because it was rushed but because they just wanted to have the stakes of Aang not being able to enter the Avatar state for part of the battle, but then still have one last great Avatar state moment, and that was just the best way to do it without making it obvious or spending too much time on something which didn't really matter.
>the cliffhangers
I mean Azula's insanity and Toph's parrents are barely a cliffhanger.
And Zuko's mom was a big thing, but they probably put that there for a different story, not another season.
Bryke set out from the beginning to make a trilogy, not a four parter.
If a fourth season was to be made, it would have been without them most likely, just a corporate thing.
>He always had plot armor.
>They just wanted to have the stakes
Aang and his friends failed multiple times before. It is clearly stated that Aang had lost his avatar-state power but gets it back at the last second. There are no stakes if Aang has plot armor. It was a bad ending that ignored all the "stakes" and setup. ATLA's ending is either poorly written or rushed.
>Bryke set out from the beginning to make a trilogy.
ATLA was made as they went. They didn't know they'd get a second season to begin with.
>ATLA was made as they went. They didn't know they'd get a second season to begin with.
Yes but Bryke was always making the show with the intentions of it being a three season show.
Moreover the past failures of the gAang only show that the ending was supposed to be the ending.
It's the rule of three, the gAang fails first at Ba Sing Se, then at the Day of Black sun, then they finally win at Sozin's comet.
If they lost four times, that would be too many structure wise
>Isn't it strange how Aang gets sudden plot-armor and the show ends without address other plot points?
That was due to poor episode management. That's why season 3 had 21 episodes.
I personally think Avatar started to lose it's plot at the day of the black sun/eclipse episode, but whatever season 4 could have had on it's store it would have probably been better than making zuko the type of character whom just wont catch a fricking break, heavily implications of cucking Sokka, Mai being the new "Zuko" which just doesnt work, fanfiction tier bending and so on.
Yeah also kinda undermines the training Aang went through but it's a small hick up in an otherwise good show. Tok really should have explored more of that Spirit bending stuff instead of how the first Avatar Aladdin became a carpet bender to fight against le evil Avatar who is also a carpet bender
>I genuinely have had a relationship with someone who pulled this shit on me and I was stupid enough to forgive her
Stopped reading right there, my dad literally told my multiple times that if this ever happens like cheating to be done with the person and mean it. Literally one of the few pieces of advices that made up for all the shit he did.
There's something so.... adding... to this that you're having this big 'letting it off my chest' moment here on an anonymous internet board about cartoons and comics.
I for one respect you for sharing this.
Jesus
Why do we hate her now? Did something happen in Avatar recently that made her a b***h?
autist keep memeing that Suki fricked Zuko
she's apparently cucking sokka for zuko. I haven't read the comic that that's from, so I don't know how true it is.
it isn't true, she's being somewhat nice to him
It has the ultimate >he doesn't know
feelings
I honestly always thought, until that art of the gang grown up, that Suki and Yue were kinda out of Sokka's league like Yue was too pretty for him while Suki was the type that wouldn't give a guy like Sokka respect because he looked like a wimp compared to her initially.
Now Zuko, on the other hand, with his status as Prince then Fire Lord? And how much more masculine he looked compared to Sokka when they both were young? He's a better fit for Suki than Sokka because it'd made sense that Suki would find him attractive.
I always thought Toph was a better ideal girlfriend to Sokka with her being blind, she didn't have the same superficiality as most girls so she could actually pay attention to Sokka's personality through her interactions with him. The show also hinted at her having a crush on him anyway. I'm kinda pissed that they didn't make Sokka a detective after the war with Toph rising to become Chief of Police, the two of them could've become a team and developed their relationship naturally.
I'm stealing this headcanon. I don't care how it was or will be in the future about le ''lore'', I've decided on which It is(for me) The time where i watch the first episode I won't know the future, It's not set in stone, truly.
Well, for that matter, the comics also have some Tokka moments
Dont really care about cucking aang, but WaterCest is damn hot
>Well, for that matter, the comics also have some Tokka moments
Do you think they're setting that up for a future comic?
Because they also have a gag where Sokka says "Does anyone care how I'm doing?!" (I think the gaang was mostly ignoring him for a bit) and then Toph says "I Care." and punches him in the arm.
I'm all for it, I never thought about Tokka as a ship until I re-watched the series recently, but yeah I really like that pairing. It's very cute.
They might reveal Sokka to be Suyin's father.
I wish they did, its unlike Sokka to not have fathered a child but then again it might imply that he was an absent father.
It would also be unlike him to be an absent father, although I could definitely see Toph lying to him about Suyin's parentage. I don't know if he would be that easy to fool though. If he had any suspicion at all he would probably stick around, even if only as "Uncle" Sokka. Suyin definitely seems like a blend of the two though, even beyond the physical characteristics.
>Suyin definitely seems like a blend of the two though, even beyond the physical characteristics.
Not even close.
Sokkacels are mad that even their self inserts canon pairing didnt bang him.
>It would also be unlike him to be an absent father,
Yeah Sokka does seem like a person who likes kids. (Especially once he stops being a teen)
He trains the little kids in the first episode and he takes care of Mai's baby brother.
If Suyin was Sokka's, then the story is probably that Sokka and Toph had an affair while maybe Sokka was married or something. And then Toph, not wanting for Sokka to suffer that scandal, never told Sokka.
>Suki had an affair with Zuko
>Sokka likewise had an affair with Toph
This cheating caravan keeps going in circles.
If they did that though it means Toph and Sokka never got into a long term romantic relationship since Suyin doesn't know who her dad is I believe.
It could be something like them deciding not to let the world know about their affair and Suyin to avoid a scandal or paparazzi about two heroes of Team Avatar having a kid together.
Idk.
I guess it would be cool.
We also never learn about what happens to Suki, which is a bit weird.
Sokka is probably more handsome then the show shows.
And he does look like a stud when he's hair is down.
I bet the main thing is his commitment to changing himself.
There's a futurama where one cylinder robot with no human features other than a mouth and googly eyes says "My favorite two things are change and commitment." and then Leela and this girl instantly fall in love with it.
Sokka abandoned his whole world view and gender stereotypes after like one day with the Kiyoshi warriors.
To Suki that probably makes her feel listened too and that Sokka is a keeper.
With Yue, she probably likes how Sokka is earnest, funny, and humble compared to her boring arrogant dope of a fiance.
>I'm kinda pissed that they didn't make Sokka a detective after the war with Toph rising to become Chief of Police, the two of them could've become a team and developed their relationship naturally.
That would have been great.
But it would have defeated Sokka's character arc about becoming a leader, for him to take up a profession which was nothing to do with leading.
they should have made him the chief of the Southern Water Tribe. (or wait, was he?)
You can still fulfill the leadership stuff if you depict him as the leader of his own private detective agency working closely with metal bender police. Then once he gets older he steps up as the Southern Water Tribe chieftain after his dad retires or passes away.
>they should have made him the chief of the Southern Water Tribe. (or wait, was he?)
Yep he was chief for a time after he was a Republic City councilman.
Cool. His father was the chief so it checks out.
Season 2 of Korra would have been a lot cooler if Katara was the chieftainess of the Southern Water Tribe since Sokka passed away.
Or if the new characters who were the chiefs were Sokka's children
Believe me, I like the idea of Tokka but I don't like the idea of Suki having an affair with Zuko and all this cucking bs. If anything, Suki and Sokka would've separated amicably since both their jobs require them to be far away from each other for a long period of time. Then you can have Tokka and Zuki without any drama.
>Zuko burnes down Suki's village
This, I find it BS how quickly she's so forgiving of Zuko and then she becomes his bestie and confidant when that role could've gone to Ty Lee which would make more sense.
>I find it BS how quickly she's so forgiving of Zuko
Well Zuko would also break her out of prison, and her village was mostly alright after Aang put out the fire.
So she wouldn't hold a grudge towards Zuko.
But yeah, she shouldn't really care about him.
Honestly the only reason the comics did that was just to give Suki something to do and allow Sokka to spend time with Toph which is a much more entertaining dynamic than Sokka and Suki.
They already had the lovey dovey stuff with Aang and Katara anyways
Sokka is an incel. Get over it. He wasn't funny either. Everyone is laughing at him not with him, in the show and outside he show.
Korra confirmed he's an incel. You gotta stop coping.
They wont because Sokka died an incel.
>He wasn't funny either.
But Long Feng is long gone.
The first comic set, I think it's called "The Rift," Is alright.
It ties up most of the loose ends from the show.
what about the other comics?
I haven't read most of them, "the Search" is where you get to find out about Zuko's mom. And it's got some interesting elements to it.
It fricks up Azula's character though.
Also I messed up the name of the comic I thought was good. The comic I liked was "The Promise"
I don't like the ones after those since they don't cover anything I cared about in the show. They mostly exist to set up the Legend of Korra
well i remember reading the zuko´s mom since it was so set up by the show and i really hated it
He fricked Suki in the tent and there's nothing you can do about it.
Why is Toph sound unusually cold to Zuko in this particular panel. It would honestly made more sense if it was Toph who would say he was lonely. Judging from their past conversations.
This.
Toph should also be able to relate to Zuko.
Suki and Sokka both had large families with the Southern Water Tribe and the Kiyoshi warriors, they probably weren't ever lonely people.
Toph on the other hand never had a friend until she joined the gAang.
And she is the only member of the gAang with really no bad memories of Zuko.
Zuko burned down Suki's village.
Unfortunately a prerequisite to writing Avatar comics is a partial lobotomy.
In the comics she becomes Zuko's bodyguard and is a lot more attached to him then she was in the show.
They haven't become a couple or anything.
But people use that bodyguard thing to insinuate she cucked Sokka for Zuko
NOTHING has happened in Avatar since the book three finale.
It's fine, Sokka still had sex with Katara before Aang did, so it's just part of the series.
>zuko has his way with katara
>zuko hires suki as his part time mistress
>toph goes on a life changing field trip with zuko
>still married Mai too
He can’t keep getting away with it
>wow, post-war relations between the Fire Nation and Water Tribe get real soap opera-y
Finished Rise of Kyoshi yesterday, it was alright. Did we really need origin stories for every single article of clothing kyoshi will wear for the next 200 years of her life?
>be Sokka
>meet Yue
>she becomes the moon
>meet Suki
>Suki sleeps with Zuko
>he remembers his chemistry with toph
>toph is now the town bicycle and already pregnant with Lin
>become incel
>die at age 50
>never found his space sword again
>Zuko gets cucked
>Sokka gets cucked
>Toph is a used up prostitute
>Aang gave his kids crippling autism and they all lead cursed lives
>The spirit of the Avatar is destroyed
Yes this is now how every story in my favorite childhood show ends. Ugliness and failure.
Life is a series of changes, there is no such thing as good or bad things, just different perspectives
>dissipates into the air
huh? why are you rambling nonsense?
>Aang gave his kids crippling autism and they all lead cursed lives
This what really annoys me. Aang should have been a great parent that he puts it above his avatar duties.
They weren't so much Avatar duties as "nearly extinct race" duties. Really he should have spent as much time laying pipe as he did with Tenzin.
> Toph is a used up prostitute
Is this actually canon?
She has two children with different fathers, none of which she stayed with. How often does that happen in fiction?
More than u think
>Zuko got kids and grandkid(s)?, one who's based
>Toph got kids and grandkids despite family life not being her thing
>Aang and Katara had 3 children, one incel, one lesbian and Tenzin who married and reproduced
>meanwhile Sokka got a statue
>Toph got kids and grandkids despite family life not being her thing
She's a delirious crone who rode a wiener carousel, got knocked up twice, and emotionally crippled her daughter. Perpetuating your mental sickness and dying alone and unmourned is not a victory.
Tbqh the only two that lived a happy, deserving life were Zuko and Katara
Sokka should frick Zuko then
Power move
>episode is written by Mike or Bryan
>episode has toilet humor
What is wrong with these two? Why are they so obsessed by piss and fart jokes?
daddy issues and self-inserting
>OH AND IT WAS A FULL MOON
Ouch.
Well, on the new moon, Yue won't be busy in the sky, so Sokka will have something to do.
That’s some real bloodbending alright
Why are avatarbros like this
Autism
Remember Cinemaphile, forgiving someone for cheating on you is effectively just giving them permission to keep doing it, that shit is a one and done sort of deal.
The only way you should forgive a person for cheating on you is if you make them seriously sacrifice for you in apology.
That's only if you know they do genuinely love you and they are horribly sorry about what they did.
>they do genuinely love you
If they did they wouldn't cuck you.
True.
But I don't pretend to know all circumstances, if there was such circumstances, and the woman later makes it up to you. Seriously shows their dedication to you, then idk.
if all of those conditions were met I could forgive. But that's mainly because I'm innately passive.
If a girl ever tries to downplay something, or start an 'open relationship' or any other horseshit, just put her out the door. You can do better. Even an ugly woman who's faithful and true is a thousand times better than a hot prostitute.
What possible circumstances outside of being raped are there that justify someone who genuinely loves you cheating on you?
They thought you were dead maybe?
They hadn't realized they had schizophrenia and had an affair out of some delusion telling them they had too until they realize that the needed to take their pills?
They were paid an absurd amount of money like a million bucks they were playing to share with me?
idk.
Anon, these are just the plotlines of shitty early 2000's rom-coms, real life just doesn't work like that outside of a handful of extremely rare headlines.
If you have a small penis or are under 6ft
both are true
What if you were a c**t to them and had it coming?
Standard femnoid claim. Do not accept it.
Do white peepol self insert as Zuko? He is Asian.
I self insert myself as my OC.
nice pepe i will steal it
Gigacringe
Based. I do that with literally every single piece of media since I learned I could do that when i was like 4
Whose decision was it to make Zuko a cuck? I like Zuki shitposting as much as the next guy but this is painful.
Bryke love cucking bros for some reason
I sense internalized trauma
I don't think Bryke have written any of the comics. They give the go ahead and can override any creative decisions they aren't on board with, but the actual events in those comics I think are written by individual random writers.
And Bryke rarely put their feet down on anything. The only thing that they really didn't allow their writers to do was Zutara from what I know
>I don't think Bryke have written any of the comics.
Bryke was heavily involved in the ATLA comics. For Gene Yang has given interviews where he heavily implied that they were involved, for example, with the creation of the mother of faces sprit.
And I think Mike wrote the LoK comics.
>Whose decision was it to make Zuko a cuck? I like Zuki shitposting as much as the next guy but this is painful.
>Bryke love cucking bros for some reason
Zuko was not a cuck; Mai broke up with after he started visiting Ozai in secret since she risked her life for him and brought the Kyoshi Warriors to protect him and yet he still didn't trust her enough with his issues.
The real problem is Mai essentially committing treason against Zuko and then having it swept under the rug by her making a stupid as frick comparison between Zuko's struggle to betray Ozai and her struggle to turn in Ukano.
>The real problem is Mai essentially committing treason against Zuko and then having it swept under the rug by her making a stupid as frick comparison between Zuko's struggle to betray Ozai and her struggle to turn in Ukano.
what the frick?
>You're right. I'm sorry.
If a King's woman fricks anyone else, ever, he's been cucked. There's no "breaking up" with a king.
>If a King's woman fricks anyone else, ever, he's been cucked. There's no "breaking up" with a king.
It is hurts that no one respects Zuko (though to be fair Zuko hasn't done much to be respected by his people), but Zuko is trying to be a different ruler than Ozai or Azula who would have forced Mai to stay at fire point or burned Kei Lo in the picrel for his back talk.
Kei Lo deserved to be burned. This is feudal politics. If you let someone frick with you that openly then you're already dead, people will be plotting your demise before you even come to power. Feudal rule is basically just being the head tard wrangler. If you're not wrangling tards why did you take the job?
>If you let someone frick with you that openly then you're already dead, people will be plotting your demise before you even come to power. Feudal rule is basically just being the head tard wrangler. If you're not wrangling tards why did you take the job?
Because if push comes to shove, Aang will intervene and no stands a chance against him.
That and all the clamaints to the throne are either in jail without their bending (Ozai), doesn't want the the throne and supports Zuko (Iroh), or is insane and/or missing (Azula).
she weirdly sends a group of women to take care of him 24/7, so I assume Mai thought the Kyoshy's were a bit of bawds kek
>Avatar movie
Never saw it, only fragments on here and it looks autistic af.
I must say though that I remember ppl thinking James Cameron Avatar's movie anyone barely remembers was related to the show kek.
seeing that Ursa gets somewhat referenced in the first episode of Korra, they knew about the Ursa cliffhanger
The same comic has some guys throw smoke at an airbender and actually succeding at it, so try not to think about it that much.
>The same comic has some guys throw smoke at an airbender and actually succeding at it, so try not to think about it that much.
I don't know what's more fricking moronic.
Fire whips you have to fling around
Or ang forgetting he's an airbender.
Jesus man I love rule of cool and all, but DAMN
Weren't fire whips a thing in the show thought? I thought Zuko used them when fighting Katara at the end of S2.
I thought those were water whips, not fire. The ember island players did use fire whip stage props
Zuko used fire whips against Katara's water ones in the season 2 finale.
>so I assume Mai thought the Kyoshy's were a bit of bawds kek
after how easily her, Ty Lee and Azula beat them up and stole their clothes, you can't blame Mai for assuming their fighting skills weren't their main use
He's the suzerain puppet shame king installed by the avatar as reparations for a hundred years of bloody war, be thankful he wasn't castrated(or forced to have a castrated kyoshi foreign power bodyguard retinue to watch over his every move and end him the moment he steps outta line, I mean he still has them but they are hot)
>Zuko is the avatar's puppet
Nah, that would be Iroh, he waited for the "right" moment to rise up with the white lotus hence why he never blinked an eye to Ozai's rule and didnt dare to challenge him even after the guy burnt half of his nephew's face.
old tard filled the prince's mind with muh pacifist ideas despite building his reputation on burning Ba Sing Se peassants, putted him on charge and "retired" to not leave any suspicions.
T. Ozai from his dungeon
There’s actually a really good fanfic that deals with this exact issue. It pretty much starts off with Iroh usurping Zuko as Firelord becuase he refused to allow the Fire Nation to be bankrupted with paying out reperations to the other nations.
>Iroh usurping Zuko as Firelord
the problem with that is that Zuko wanted him to be firelord in the first place, it was Iroh that had to talk Zuko in to taking the throne. Zuko outright says that the only reason Iroh wasn't around in the firenation after Ozia was deposed was because he wanted nothing to do with politics and just wanted to run his tea shop
Meh
Wait did she say this for real. Avatar comics are wild
it's ALMOST LIKE Suki is a bland and shallow character without any depth and if you wrote her out of the show, absolutely nothing would change.
Is there any worth Avatar comic?
No
t. never read a single page of the comics
They're all mediocre at best, but at least the search had the interesting plot of Zuko's mother everyone so damn much wanted those days, sadly, it kills her character.
None of the Bei Fong sisters know who their parent is, at least on the show, ppl theorized it could either been Zuko or Sokka either parent missing of the milf bastards and didnt gave away their identity to protect their reputations (firelord and councilman).
Mai dumped him, but this scene was pathetic and Azula roasted him
Cinemaphile was all over their heads about the incestuous moments once again when this comic came out, as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
>Azula roasted him
>”Hands off my bull!”
Zucuck strikes again
>Cinemaphile was all over their heads about the incestuous moments once again when this comic came out,
Not a Zucest shipper, but I can see how picrel, along with Azula's master plan in general, made the Zucest anons go wild.
>as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
That never happened. Ursa just got reinstated as a princess while Zuko recognized Kiyi as one.
the fire daggers really look stupid in still frames.
Plus when did Azula know how to do them?
Ah well she would have picked them up from Zuko somewhere down the line.
Zuko is the only character in the show seen to use that move, and he only down it twice
I don't even know how that's supposed to work. Are they solid? How can they clash fire daggers?
They don't really make a lot of sense.
Maybe they're like super dense fire, so somewhat like plasma, where it's got a semi solid form, that way it could clash.
To me I can't understand why they would be beneath the hands, facing towards the body, instead of above them, more towards the enemy
>Clashing fire daggers
>CLASHING
>FIRE
>DAGGERS
I think my brain just malfunctioned and I'm imagining this thread
>Cinemaphile was all over their heads about the incestuous moments
You mean a few autist.
No? Cinemaphile Avatar's OTP has always been Zucest rather than those normie pairings such as Zutara, Kataang or Tyzula and such
>son's little princesses
Whew lad, imagine the FN historians
This, basically, you got some autist posting the same comic panels over and over though.
>No? Cinemaphile Avatar's OTP has always been Zucest
Yes its a few autist.
Gonna have to throw a big disagree here. Honestly something that really bugged me in the original show was the weird cliffhanger bit at the last second of ‘but where is Zukos mom?’ It seemed pretty clear to me that zukos mom would probably have died at that point and I don’t see what it would have added to the story to have her found later in her presumed old age. Some characters are better as posthumous influences
>as if coronating your own mother as Fire Lady wasnt enough that is
Hot af
I like the idea
Who is the flat chick by Zuko and why isn't Suki in here?
his little sister Ursa had with the guy from the village she was from
>his little sister Ursa had with the guy from the village she was from
I have to agree with Azula here. I have no idea what they wanted to do in the comics, but having Ursa turn out to be a spiteful b***h and a frankly terrible mother who abandoned her children and then willingly forgot about them to be with her ex, is what they managed.
>frankly terrible mother who abandoned her children
She was forced to leave the palace due to Ozai fearing she would use her OP poison on him next. So she didn't abandon her kids but was forced to leave them so Ozai wouldn't kill her after she saved Zuko's life. Or all three of them if she tried taking them with her. But the better argument for calling Ursa a bad mother is why didn't she use the poison on Ozai and Azulon? That or the bastard letter that should have led Zuko to being killed if Ozai was just a bit smarter.
>hen willingly forgot about them to be with her ex, is what they managed.
I felt bad for Zuko and Azula, wished Zuko expressed some anger about it, and wished Azula was portrayed as crazy for being angry about it, but think about it from Ursa's POV.
Ozai is presumably going to rule for decades and will likely succeed in making Zuko and Azula into the monsters he wants to be. Iroh (remember Ursa had no way of knowing about his redemption), if he ever shows up again, is likely to fight Ozai for the throne and even if he kills Ozai, he'll still raise her kids to be monsters. And if Iroh ever finds out about how she helped Ozai kill his beloved father? Who knows what might happen?
Not to mention the fact that despite knowing the life or death consequences, Ursa knows she will try to see, or even free, her kids, potentially getting herself, as well as them, killed if Ozai ever catches wind of her.
I agree with her decision to poison the fire lord and leave and I understand her bitter fake letter, even if it was a stupid impulsive move. But willingly forgetting her children is unforgivable.
The show presented Ursa as the loving parent of the siblings, the one who nurtured the good in Zuko and tried the same for Azula who also mysteriously left while telling Zuko to always remember who he is. The comic presents her as short sighted, impulse and spiteful. She is meant to be the mother bear who would do anything to protect her children but instead of trying to protect them from the shadows or overthrow Ozai, she chose to forget and wash her hands from the whole affair, what is that if not extremely selfish. Any other explanation would have been better.
>She is meant to be the mother bear who would do anything to protect her children but instead of trying to protect them from the shadows or overthrow Ozai, she chose to forget and wash her hands from the whole affair, what is that if not extremely selfish.
But what could she have done to overthrow Ozai, especially since at the time of her mindwipe, there is no way she could have forseen Iroh's heel-face turn, which not only ended up saving Zuko's soul in the long-run, but also led to Ozai's downfall.
*wished Azula wasn't portrayed as crazy*
what are they doin'
getting warm.
how so
Together.
Making up for loss time
segs
Yeah Ursa’s character got obliterated and they made Ozai just way too evil.
I would have liked it if he had been charming and all at first then Ursa realised the monster she married.
But like with Sozin banning gays being “the worst” the comic writers aren’t subtle
>But like with Sozin banning gays being “the worst” the comic writers aren’t subtle
Alright Idk if this is the right thread to ask this, as someone who has basically no skin in shipping, wouldn't have even thought about this stuff 2 months ago, doesn't self insert, and only gained interest after being convinced that based off their polar opposite moral alignments but relatively parallel character traits that they would make for an interesting romance, why does Sokkla have a high level of hate at least on Cinemaphile? I only like it because I think they make for great fuel for a well written enemy/friends/lovers romantic story or a post cannon redemption arc romance or friendship and have almost zero interest in everything else shipping related, but it rarely pops up here from what I've seen and when people talk about it all I hear are self insert accusations or that the idea is soulless. I just want to know the reasoning of people who hate it but based off the characters themselves and not just hating the people who like it.
He doesn’t. It’s a meme
The self insert accusations practically go for everyone here, specially for the guys that like incest for some reason, so you shouldnt worry much about it
about Sokkla, it's fine.. I guess.
Tbqh it kinda strikes me down as Zutara but with less background, although at least they share one or two direct intense moments between them, if you wanna know why it doesnt get mentioned a lot go search 'how i became yours' fanfic.
That's a fair response, thanks. I honestly forgot that they had a few scenes focusing on each other in cannon for a while. I wasn't really thinking about what seeds of interaction justified the ship, just whether or not the dynamic could make for good fiction. So basically either something would start in post cannon, or in an AU or different timeline instead of relying on what happened mid show to justify itself like I assume people do with other ships. Also this 'how i became yours' fanfic looks absolutely horrendous so I can definitely see it doing reputational damage.
just banter m8
perfect dicksucking lips, bet suki isnt her real name but she gained the nickname herself
when did everyone find suki hot anyway? nobody gave a shit about her before the comics stirred up interest in the series again
As a youth I always liked her in her big goofy samurai costume, she was painfully bland without it. I liked how she was all regimented and tough without being really b***hy.
The comics waifu'd her
this thread is just the embodiment of duality of man
i just came here just to say i will report the thread for low quality, even if is against the rule
threads to talk subdletly about anything but Cinemaphile should not allowed
and yes, i'm even talking to you, the "free speech" advocate who will inevitably pop up.
Studies support the theory that wanton sex with strangers destroys the ability to pair-bond with one's husband/wife. Being a bawd literally marks you for the streets.
>treat relationships as worthless and disposable
It's like how ultra rich people have no grasp on prices.
But Suki’s love and lust for Zuko is absolutely pure
If she could cheat on Sokka without remorse, she would absolutely do the same for Zuko lol.
I think he says that because Suki reaches a weird but so far for a 'good cause' level of obsession with Zuko
Was it admiration that grew into obsession?
I can see how Suki would find Zuko attractive and tempting.
Sounds cute anon
Tbf, on Suki's case it's right in her name
Imagine making Mai such an insufferable prostitute that people start shipping Zuko with his buddy's gf and it works because they have actual chemistry.
I haven't kept up with Avatar shit, what happened to Suki? All I remember is that she was in the opening shot of the first episode of Korra and then never mentioned again. Found it weird how her and Sokka apparently never had kids.
Nothing.
In the comics she becomes Zuko's bodyguard along with the rest of the Kiyoshi warriors.
I think the comics are trying to ship bait. Because there's quite a few Tokka moments and Suki seems unusually close to Zuko
I have theroy, sokka didnt get any offspring because he frickeding zuko, zuko was raped by that emo girl.
Are you trying to speak english?
i am british island my good sir
Why don't we get more stories about Suki serving the fire nation?
I'd rather see stories about Azula and co serving the Earth Kingdom
Would explain why the Dai Li simped for her so badly, but they're prob a bunch of eunuchs at the same time
Cant get why the Earth King is still b***hless though
Not that I remember, there were water whips at some point though
>Cant get why the Earth King is still b***hless though
he can't have been completely b***hless, his daughter does show up in Korra
So just how thorough is the dai lee brainwashing? What kind of services are we talking about here?
depends, random person picked up off the street and given a quick session, or Joo Dee trained every day from a young age?
>So just how thorough is the dai lee brainwashing? What kind of services are we talking about here?
>depends, random person picked up off the street and given a quick session, or Joo Dee trained every day from a young age?
>I wonder if you could ask Joo Dees for sex.
>depends on if their brains are currently switched on or off I'd imagine
Does anyone know of any fics that have the Dai Li use the Joo Dees as sex slaves both for their pleasure and to maintain control over the nobility? Because if Avatar was more adult, I am pretty sure the Dai Li would have prostituted the Joo Dees out considering they are brainwashed unaccounted for young women.
I wonder if you could ask Joo Dees for sex.
depends on if their brains are currently switched on or off I'd imagine
She will
Fire Foursome anons, if you are interest two new stories dropped on ao3 today.
>tag
Azula*s*Mai*s*Ty%20Lee*s*Zuko%20(Avatar)/works
back here in reality...
>back here in reality...
I wonder how hard /co is going to seethe once it is confirmed Mai becomes Zuko's Fire Lady and mother to Izumi? Especially if Azula never even reconciles with anyone, including Zuko?
Cinemaphile isnt Scrapper.
That's before c*mics events, although they do interact romantically on 'The Search'
No wonder Toph turned out like she did in Korra
Is the Ursa segment of the comics a part of the comics that can be surgically separated from the other shitty Gaang relationship drama of the comics that can be enjoyed independently?
I haven't read the comics. I was waiting until they were all done. But in the years I just saw you people raging non-stop about how fricking bad the comics were and I just treated them as radioactive and just believed Ursa killed Azulon for Ozai and Ozai just killed her immediately afterwards.
I'm just compiling all my Avatar shit into a single folder for people and omitting all the awful shit and I'm wondering if there's any series of the comics that is worth salvaging or if I should just continue pretending they don't exist.
>Is the Ursa segment of the comics a part of the comics that can be surgically separated from the other shitty Gaang relationship drama of the comics that can be enjoyed independently?
No, because the search for Ursa leads to Azula escaping Zuko's custody and to more family angst. Especially since Azula is for the most part responsible for all the events in Smoke and Shadow, the last Fire Nation centered comics trilogy.
I figured as much. Thanks for confirming it.
>I haven't read the comics. I was waiting until they were all done. But in the years I just saw you people raging non-stop about how fricking bad the comics were and I just treated them as radioactive
Not really, it's just one autist spamming these, you can notice by the filenames whom insists on discussing the same comic panels over and over because he jerks off to them daily, anons just crop and meme/shitpost the panels they like, homosexual OP or Sokka self-inserter
Like here are good examples
Sheesh.