>Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.
We use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to.
Last thread pointed out the 'flaw' in his argument that he was sitting in his fat ass in Cuba, doing nothing. He's a larper. But that's diluting the argument. Or muddying the waters. Is he right, or wrong?
Nukes are actually incredibly cheap. The ones USA has in silos ready to launch cost around $7million each. I think they could find a few dollars in the budget. For the children, of course.
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The construction might have cost that much but the r&d cost a lot more.
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Design hasn't changed since 1970. Cheaper R&D costs back then before forced diversity hires.
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Ok but the overall cost isn't $7 million. And you need to constantly maintain them so they launch when you want them to.
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They sit in a tube. They are launched on archaic computers that purposefully is never updated. There is almost no maintenance being done on these things.
Nukes are actually incredibly cheap. The ones USA has in silos ready to launch cost around $7million each. I think they could find a few dollars in the budget. For the children, of course.
I can't wait for Elon Musk to claim he can own a nuke as per the Second Amendment.
they used them. nuclear tests are reminders. the only "walls" the US Army are defending are those of third world countries whose ressources the US exploit, but which are nevertheless an acceptable loss, not the walls of the US territory proper which is inviolable because of the nukes.
pretending that Guantanamo Bay is like the black gate of Mordor that at any moment can just explode open and an army of orcs will flood out and rape everyone to death is so grand of a delusion Nicholson should have been declared not guilty based on being completely insane.
It's the greater principle. Like how each individual truck driver may not be delivering anything important, but if all truck drivers decided to frick off to Mexico where they might get some respect, the country will collapse.
Every class of individual in America thinks they are the indispensible ones and while some of them are right, that doesn't place them in a position to just murder people without the approval of the system. It'd be like your right fist starting to punch your left index finger and telling your brain to "fricking deal with it gay, you need me".
>if all truck drivers decided to frick off to Mexico where they might get some respect, the country will collapse
They unironcally should. Why should they work for a system that hates them?
If you like politics so much, let me fill you in on their only move: they will be replaced by robots, and the way for them to get the most money before that eventuality comes to fruition, is to work and shut the frick up. By all means, move to Mexico and make less money, where you will replaced by robots a little bit further down the line, where you have gathered less resources in total for your loved ones. But you won't do any of that. You'll continue to drag your feet, to try to ruin the economy because you don't like the letter next to the name of the person in charge of the Executive branch, because you're a child, not a man. All the while hurting your loved ones raising the cost of goods, while your revenue continues to slip. Real fricking brilliant.
>the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
and what freedom is that exactly? the freedom to only question what an insane boomer tells me I may? this moron is sitting on vacation in cuba while the southern border is being overrun and he lectures me on being entitled?
Freedom is such an ass backwards concept. I've yet to hear of a single formulation for it that isn't just a meme that expires after even a few moments of scrutiny.
Ownership of land would require either the absence of other contenders to that land, an authority that certifies your ownership of that land or a weapon by which you enforce that ownership.
So either something that's fundamentally impossible as long as other people exist, a conditional priveledge granted and easily rescinded by someone stronger than you, or a situation where you are forced (i.e. the freedom of your actions is reduced) to protect "your" land. Complete meme.
You know you said absolutely nothing of value here. You seem to be under the impression that freedom can't be obtained with the cooperation of other people, which is beyond moronic. That's the kind of sophistry I would expect out of an antifa anarchist troony.
Aaron Sorkin is a shit writer who knows nothing about what being in the military is like not what the environment of a court room resembles. This is him doing what he does best. Creating an imaginary ideological opponent and BTFOing him. To roaring applause.
It’s better than Newsroom or West Wing, at least. West Wing especially is insanely overrated television that’s just Democrats patting themselves on the back for doing virtually nothing and defending the status quo. Best Aaron Sorkin kino is still Social Network, probably because Fincher told Sorkin to knock that shit off
People like Aaron Sorkin are the reason things in this country have regressed so terribly. They failed miserably at producing progress, sunk this country further into debt and then saddled the new generations to deal with it because they sat around and did nothing. And that’s boils down what his shows are. “Good people” doing “good things” when it in actuality it’s the sort of liberal fairy tale bullshit that isn’t real, has never been real and only deluded the people who watched those shows as the seeds of discontent flourished and crumbling foundation started to give way. At least they’re better shows than Madame President. I’ll give him that.
>a bunch of verbal diarrhea
What's caused us to regress is traversing further down the theatre path that is called politics, instead of electing governing officials. We don't need trained actors to be our voice. We need the people to be the voice. Basically, everyone needs to drop the egos and stop trying to get their 5 minutes of fame on tiktok, for starters. That's the first step to breaking free from histrionic personality disorder that's infected the system.
Infantry under a ZOG military is for amoral people who just want to legally kill humans.
Theyr usually alright guys to hang with but 99% of the time they quit due to lack of opportunity to kill people if you chat with them about it.
That's not histrionic. They usually just leave disappointed and get a new job before their bodies get too banged up. It's notikw they come back and shoot up malls or whatever.
They're perfectly functioning people who just went a legal human kill. It's what the role selects for
No. How do you figure that?
I meanthat we an actual good faith question. What's histrionic about it? It's just mentioning a group. Nobody is acting out.
Please don't answer with some smug dismissal or a 'wow just wow' equivalent.
>more of the same attention seeking behavior is earlier
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All posting is attention seeking behaviour. We're both doing it right now
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I think you’re both fricking moronic. There’s nothing worse than Australian and Asian teenagers arguing with each other poorly about American politics.
What would you say the motivation is, when someone is trying to keep a "conversation" going when nothing is being said at all? It's seeking attention.
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What was your motivation for continuing the conversation with this very post?
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Pure unadulterated autism.
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>I'm upset that someone smarter used me to make a point about histrionics being the ruling ideology of the day
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You still think you’re debating. Don’t you understand that I’ll ignore any decent points you make and then move the goalposts to annoy you and make you look dumb? You aren’t changing anyone’s mind anywhere on the internet but certainly not here.
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And I can keep it up
For as long as it takes
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I don't get the point. Are you saying ZOG rules through histrionics? Are you saying that mentioning ZOG is histrionic? Are you saying that it's histrionic to to talk about people in the infantry being motivated in part by the possibility of using sanctioned violence?
A lot of anonymous people are talking and it's easy to confuse various anons with each other. I want to be clear.
>more of the same attention seeking behavior is earlier
I think you’re both fricking moronic. There’s nothing worse than Australian and Asian teenagers arguing with each other poorly about American politics.
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My country is occupied by America. It's politics are my politics
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You’re welcome. Or maybe you’d like to learn Chinese instead?
No, and I'm glad of it. My father spent 50 years in the navy, and every god damn army guy he met was completely off his rocks.
>every army guy my navy dad met got his rocks off
anon...
>Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.
We use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to.
Last thread pointed out the 'flaw' in his argument that he was sitting in his fat ass in Cuba, doing nothing. He's a larper. But that's diluting the argument. Or muddying the waters. Is he right, or wrong?
this is stupid the infantry is irrelevant when you have nukes. the "people on the walls" are Border Patrol, not the Army.
If nukes are so relevant why hasn't anyone ever used one since 1945?
because every nation has one now. Thats why if we arm school teachers with nukes it will stop mass shootings
That wouldn't be cost effective. But nukes should be legal federally for U.S. citizens per the Second Amendment. It doesn't say "except nukes"
Nukes are actually incredibly cheap. The ones USA has in silos ready to launch cost around $7million each. I think they could find a few dollars in the budget. For the children, of course.
The construction might have cost that much but the r&d cost a lot more.
Design hasn't changed since 1970. Cheaper R&D costs back then before forced diversity hires.
Ok but the overall cost isn't $7 million. And you need to constantly maintain them so they launch when you want them to.
They sit in a tube. They are launched on archaic computers that purposefully is never updated. There is almost no maintenance being done on these things.
Look everyone it's Tim /misc/
I can't wait for Elon Musk to claim he can own a nuke as per the Second Amendment.
they used them. nuclear tests are reminders. the only "walls" the US Army are defending are those of third world countries whose ressources the US exploit, but which are nevertheless an acceptable loss, not the walls of the US territory proper which is inviolable because of the nukes.
Cosmically moronic
pretending that Guantanamo Bay is like the black gate of Mordor that at any moment can just explode open and an army of orcs will flood out and rape everyone to death is so grand of a delusion Nicholson should have been declared not guilty based on being completely insane.
It's the greater principle. Like how each individual truck driver may not be delivering anything important, but if all truck drivers decided to frick off to Mexico where they might get some respect, the country will collapse.
Every class of individual in America thinks they are the indispensible ones and while some of them are right, that doesn't place them in a position to just murder people without the approval of the system. It'd be like your right fist starting to punch your left index finger and telling your brain to "fricking deal with it gay, you need me".
>if all truck drivers decided to frick off to Mexico where they might get some respect, the country will collapse
They unironcally should. Why should they work for a system that hates them?
If you like politics so much, let me fill you in on their only move: they will be replaced by robots, and the way for them to get the most money before that eventuality comes to fruition, is to work and shut the frick up. By all means, move to Mexico and make less money, where you will replaced by robots a little bit further down the line, where you have gathered less resources in total for your loved ones. But you won't do any of that. You'll continue to drag your feet, to try to ruin the economy because you don't like the letter next to the name of the person in charge of the Executive branch, because you're a child, not a man. All the while hurting your loved ones raising the cost of goods, while your revenue continues to slip. Real fricking brilliant.
>the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
and what freedom is that exactly? the freedom to only question what an insane boomer tells me I may? this moron is sitting on vacation in cuba while the southern border is being overrun and he lectures me on being entitled?
Freedom is such an ass backwards concept. I've yet to hear of a single formulation for it that isn't just a meme that expires after even a few moments of scrutiny.
Freedom would be, in my definition, to be able to own a patch of land.
Now I'm going to have to take a step back and think why that is my definition of freedom.
Ownership of land would require either the absence of other contenders to that land, an authority that certifies your ownership of that land or a weapon by which you enforce that ownership.
So either something that's fundamentally impossible as long as other people exist, a conditional priveledge granted and easily rescinded by someone stronger than you, or a situation where you are forced (i.e. the freedom of your actions is reduced) to protect "your" land. Complete meme.
You know you said absolutely nothing of value here. You seem to be under the impression that freedom can't be obtained with the cooperation of other people, which is beyond moronic. That's the kind of sophistry I would expect out of an antifa anarchist troony.
>freedom as a concept is flawed
are you moronic?
Aaron Sorkin is a shit writer who knows nothing about what being in the military is like not what the environment of a court room resembles. This is him doing what he does best. Creating an imaginary ideological opponent and BTFOing him. To roaring applause.
It’s better than Newsroom or West Wing, at least. West Wing especially is insanely overrated television that’s just Democrats patting themselves on the back for doing virtually nothing and defending the status quo. Best Aaron Sorkin kino is still Social Network, probably because Fincher told Sorkin to knock that shit off
Can we be frank for a second: the status quo of the turn of the millennium wasn't half bad, compared to how we've "progressed".
People like Aaron Sorkin are the reason things in this country have regressed so terribly. They failed miserably at producing progress, sunk this country further into debt and then saddled the new generations to deal with it because they sat around and did nothing. And that’s boils down what his shows are. “Good people” doing “good things” when it in actuality it’s the sort of liberal fairy tale bullshit that isn’t real, has never been real and only deluded the people who watched those shows as the seeds of discontent flourished and crumbling foundation started to give way. At least they’re better shows than Madame President. I’ll give him that.
>a bunch of verbal diarrhea
What's caused us to regress is traversing further down the theatre path that is called politics, instead of electing governing officials. We don't need trained actors to be our voice. We need the people to be the voice. Basically, everyone needs to drop the egos and stop trying to get their 5 minutes of fame on tiktok, for starters. That's the first step to breaking free from histrionic personality disorder that's infected the system.
>freedom that I provide
He'd be right if America wasn't just a israeli puppet state with open borders
YOU WANT THE TRUTH! YOU CAN"T HANDLE FREE HEALTH CARE
I served the infant unit applesauce this morning, Chud.
Yep. And now I'm E4 Mafia. Life is good.
A janny unit, Sir. They called us The Do-it for free's; 41st division beneath General Modwoman (male).
Yeah, once
Jesus, Jack, get some anti-dandruff shampoo or something
you ever sacrificed your life for billionaire profits and israel, son?
>THAT WEAK MEXICAN HAD IT COMING
how did the writers get this line through?
>infantry unit
Smart. Very few people would shoot a baby.
Runaway Jury is the superior courtkino.
I was in the boy scouts
No, I denounce the talmud.
How do you respond without sounding mad?
there are good actors and good scripts around but something is still missing
you watch this scene and you understand that everything made today is not quite on the same level
>i was in a arma milsim unit so kinda
yes and I'm also a cop on an ultraviolent shithole of a country because I want to fricking die
>there are people ITT who think by walls he means borders or literal walls
Infantry under a ZOG military is for amoral people who just want to legally kill humans.
Theyr usually alright guys to hang with but 99% of the time they quit due to lack of opportunity to kill people if you chat with them about it.
Here's that histrionics I was talking about
That's not histrionic. They usually just leave disappointed and get a new job before their bodies get too banged up. It's notikw they come back and shoot up malls or whatever.
They're perfectly functioning people who just went a legal human kill. It's what the role selects for
It's not histrionics saying the ZOG meme? Go outside hipster.
No. How do you figure that?
I meanthat we an actual good faith question. What's histrionic about it? It's just mentioning a group. Nobody is acting out.
Please don't answer with some smug dismissal or a 'wow just wow' equivalent.
>more of the same attention seeking behavior is earlier
All posting is attention seeking behaviour. We're both doing it right now
What would you say the motivation is, when someone is trying to keep a "conversation" going when nothing is being said at all? It's seeking attention.
What was your motivation for continuing the conversation with this very post?
Pure unadulterated autism.
>I'm upset that someone smarter used me to make a point about histrionics being the ruling ideology of the day
You still think you’re debating. Don’t you understand that I’ll ignore any decent points you make and then move the goalposts to annoy you and make you look dumb? You aren’t changing anyone’s mind anywhere on the internet but certainly not here.
And I can keep it up
For as long as it takes
I don't get the point. Are you saying ZOG rules through histrionics? Are you saying that mentioning ZOG is histrionic? Are you saying that it's histrionic to to talk about people in the infantry being motivated in part by the possibility of using sanctioned violence?
A lot of anonymous people are talking and it's easy to confuse various anons with each other. I want to be clear.
Go back.
I think you’re both fricking moronic. There’s nothing worse than Australian and Asian teenagers arguing with each other poorly about American politics.
My country is occupied by America. It's politics are my politics
You’re welcome. Or maybe you’d like to learn Chinese instead?
Reminder that he adlibbed the entire scene.
you can suck on my "unit" if you get what I mean
yes im an ex airsofter sir
Thank you for your service.
i twisted my ankle once fighting the red team, thanks anon
Truly a hero. Mere civilians will never understand
You ever seen a grown man naked?