>Finally get to watching this movie
>Hear everyone say he just peter in this film so I come in with low expectations
>Just from the first 30 minutes alone let alone the whole film he already feels like a different person/character than peter at the same age
Trying to insert ditko era highschool peter or ultimate peter wouldn't even work in half these scenes. From their personalities alone especially OG ditko dickass peter, it would result in an entirely different movie. Was Cinemaphile just lying to me with bad faith arguments?
Yes, never trust Cinemaphile mald just watch it yourself and decide why you hate it.
Cinemaphile racist doom posters and peter parker self inserters never rationally argue, I should have learned this lesson years ago. Only thing they are ever right about is paul
>look mom, I posted it again
This is the first time this was ever posted and the 2nd time I posted was cause I saw the miles thread seconds after I posted this so keep crying
Spider-Verse and Miles fans aren't human.
If this is true, it ALSO means you didn't learn the central lesson that NOTHING comes before watching shit yourself, you skub eating doofus.
I think anon's full of shit, but no big deal either way.
Cinemaphile is filled with bad faith arguments, you should never put your full trust in negative reviews here.
Or in positive reviews either. I finally broke down and watched the Digital Circus and it was decidedly mediocre.
thats a little more obvious considering its fanbase is the FNF newgrounds kids, this is a spider-man movie backed by a multi-million dollar company aimed at everyone. You're point is still correct though
Cinemaphile was dickriding this movie at one point but switched up when it got too popular.
What did you say about miles anon?
That it’s a good thing he can turn invisible it matches his personality and rouges gallery.
How many times did OG Ditko Peter appear apart from early ASM you disingenuous dumbass
imagine thinking the amount of appearances matter at all when we still have a look into how he was at the time which is all that matters you disingenuous dumbass. Ultimate peter is right there is amount of appearances matter to you.
And how would Ultimate Peter act differently if he was in Miles' place in the movie
He would have gotten impatient and called everyone out on their bullshit. No panic attacks or anything. He can be a bitch at times, but Ultimate Peter has balls.
Would he have done that on day two of having powers facing Kingpin, Doc Ock, Scorpion, Tombstone, Prowler, and the Green Goblin all at once after seeing them kill e.g. Captain America before having the chance to figure things out on his own at a growing pace
Now go watch the sequel and see how Miles regresses into a selfish little cunt who never learned anything from the previous film
>saving someone is selfish
miguel cope
>Destroys an entire universe
Miles is literally Kingpin from the fist movie
Haven't destroy anything yet, Miguel's theory is bias.
Don't worry I'm sure the writers will find some bullshit excuse for why not only is Miles right but also the best Spider-Man of them all
you guys and your cuck fetishes.....
look at that shit you posted and tell me it isn't
>Words,definitions what are those?
Retard
Do you think Peter Parker would sit back and let Uncle Ben die if he knew he was going to get shot?
According to Peter B, yes.
And that's why these movies are bullshit. Only fake Spider-Man fans like these
He's a black latino, has a dad and uses zoomer slang giving him a totally different personality bruh fr. See, it's totally different and not just a race swap with a stupid multiverse angle to make another popular character black. Suggesting otherwise is "bad faith" and whatever other buzzwords I learned in the last couple years and love to regurgitate.
miles would never
How often does that characterization get adapted again? I want it to happen more, and not that the soft-Pete from popular media depictions get painted black and sold as a brand new character
Rare in media, fifty-fifty in the comics. Usually when they want to make a point about Peter Parker, like if someone else got bit by the spider and how he had to make the most of a rather disappointing teenagedom.
I can't imagine Peter doing pic related.
MCU Pete would totally do it if Tony told him to
Tony wouldn't give him such advice, and he just wouldn't try to woe a girl like this. Is just too out of character.
He's a teenager and his hairline is so bad lol. I noticed that overtime they made Peter more attractive as he became more popular. In some comics he looks like a model.
can't have a self insert character look like hank hill, won't attract the fanboys
Guess 60s nerds were built different
I think JRJR does a good grown up Ditko Peter
Too meaty for my taste. I think Peter should be less buff and more lean, but I like how his face looks.
Yeah I was talking about the face but that was the first JRJR Peter in my folder
classic peter was a bona fide chud
Yo, he’s on the verge of becoming a school shooter
Ditko was a chud that fell hard for Ayn Rand bullshit.
Stop projecting or we might have to call the cops
Bro, I’m 47, I had my chance to be a school shooter but instead got laid and graduated.
Racists be like that
Stupid racists. I hate racism, and I love living in a low trust society where everything is upside down.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x4rtide7JFY
Stop making BAD FAITH arguments that the new black spider-man isn't totally different and not just ESG marketing pandering!
what board does he browse?
As long as Miles stubbornly insists on being black, Cinemaphile is going to be angry. The Spider Verse movies are an order of magnitude better than the best MCU movies, but, you know. Black kid.
First Iron Man clears Spiderverse so hard, wtf are you on
First Iron Man is overrated as hell. It's a solid 7/10 with a boring ass climax and villain. Better than most of Phase 1 but that isn't saying much.
7/10 still makes it like top 3 or 4 in the whole MCU.
No it makes it worse than Infinity War, Endgame, Thor Ragnarok, Captain America Winter Soldier, Captain America Civil War, Guardians 1, Guardians 2, Guardians 3, Spiderman Homecoming, Shang Chi, No Way Home and Avengers 1.
I know it's trendy to hate on the MCU, but it did produce plenty of kino.
>No it makes it worse than Infinity War, Endgame, Thor Ragnarok, Captain America Winter Soldier, Captain America Civil War, Guardians 1, Guardians 2, Guardians 3, Spiderman Homecoming, Shang Chi, No Way Home and Avengers 1.
you're saying that Avengers 1, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Thor Ragnarok and Spiderman Homecoming and No Way Home are better than Iron Man 1?
with a straight face? As standalone movies?
>with a straight face? As standalone movies?
I was half expecting you to shit on me choosing Shang Chi or Endgame.
But yes with a straight face that's what I'm saying. Ragnarok was really fun when it came out, Spiderman Homecoming was a semi decent intro the MCU peter before FFH and Infinity War undone all of his character development in that film, GOTG2 is the weakest of the franchise sure but it only barely beats out Iron Man 1 for me in terms of quality.
I would probably only remove NWH and Avengers 1 in terms of being better than Iron Man 1 but they are still fun movies.
Still better than MilesSlop.
You're just remembering the fun parts, and how surprised you were that they tried to make a good movie. Got some great actors, wrote a real script, had a story that didn't suck. Cape movies where they actually tried were rare back then. It's a good movie, but not great art. Runs out of gas long before the ending.
Spider Verse movies have that same "actually putting effort into it" energy years after the MCU got fat and lazy. Doing something fresh and interesting is much harder now than it used to be, because audiences want something new and different, but without throwing out the core of what made cape movies a thing in the first place.
How is it better? What's your favorite part?
Not that you care, but probably the "leap of faith" scene. The movies are just so much more entertaining than the samey, glossy feel you get from the MCU. Maybe the style isn't for you, but it rewards multiple viewings in the way MCU movies don't and Peter B. Parker is fucking great. It's not the white boy you're looking for, but not all movies are trying to be the same thing.
I unironically want to see more of him and would love to just watch or read a mini series about his adventures currently and raising mayday. Best peter for sure
>It's not the white boy you're looking for, but not all movies are trying to be the same thing.
I guarantee you're white
Imagine using white boy disparagingly and then whining about the waycism of being against race swapped characters.
You just said a bunch of pilpul.
That scene was a hair breadth away from being MCU shit, it's the same philosophy behind both, you were just too distracted by the shiny colors to notice
God if this scene was in the movie it would've Annihilated the pacing and gravitas of that moment for a cheap laugh.
Like the whole rest of the movie constantly does
Spiderverse isn't an MCU movie. Peter dosen't just say "Well I've been there pal" when Mile's uncle gets shot.
You're right, Ham does
The quality of a film is not about allegiance to source material, it's about how the elements come together to make a compelling story. I liked all the MCU Spider-Man movies, but they are not interesting from a cinema perspective. They're all pooped out from the same machine that for a long time managed to produce pretty satisfying stories. However they aren't even trying to be great films, they are product and puzzle pieces designed to fit into other product. That's not a diss, since that's Disney's stated actual intention. The Spider Verse movies are an obvious attempt to do something different, although if 10 years from now there have been a dozen mediocre sequels and spin offs and boring TV series, they could easily wear out their welcome too.
>although if 10 years from now there have been a dozen mediocre sequels and spin offs and boring TV series, they could easily wear out their welcome too.
Lord and Miller said they're done with Spiderverse after BTSV comes out, so hopefully that never happens.
They weren't originally even on for ATSV, they were confirmed super late, so Sony never gave a fuck about having them steer the Spider-Verse ship in the first place and certainly won't care when (if) BTSV is out
>but they are not interesting from a cinema perspective
NWH is literally the second greatest capeshit cinema achievement after Infinity War/Endgame, and to this date the only good use of multiverse in a capeshit movie. Spider-Verse is the Lego Movie but with Spider-Man toys.
>NWH is literally the second greatest capeshit cinema achievement after Infinity War/Endgame
The most redditor statement ever made. Infinity war was great, but Endgame and NWH was quite literally just a circlejerk of IPs with plotholes and contrivances out the ass because of the whole multiverse and time travel bullshit hastily attached to what could've been simple Avengers or Spiderman stories.
I don't have to like them but IW/Endgame and NWH pulled off some crazy shit that put them in the cinema history books and was handsomely rewarded by audiences, all Spider-Verse has to claim is normalizing shitting on visuals and framerate when you can't come up with anything new
>You can rewatch spiderverse and enjoy all the subtlies and details in its world
Yeah like all the plot holes and sociopathic characters
Imagine bending backwards to defend MCU slop, all just to shit on the Spider-Verse movies. NWH will be forgotten while ITSV might end up in the Library of Congress.
>NWH will be forgotten while ITSV might end up in the Library of Congress.
True. We all know Cinemaphile is irrelevant in the real world and any amount of yammering about why a movie failed or succeeded is just working backwards from /misc/ views, but it is depressing that so many can't even enjoy good film. If they hate the artistry and frame rate of Spider-Verse so much they should be HAPPY the "real" Parker isn't in it. Also they will have to change all their complaints about the sequel when part 3 comes out and actually ends the narrative, and they will say all along that they knew how it was really going to end. Whatever is it is that lets them stay angry.
>what could've been simple Avengers or Spiderman stories.
I'm glad they chose to be worldwide cultural events instead, we've had plenty of simple Avengers and Spider-Man stories
there has never been a worse opinion about spider-man uttered. That film is complete and utter slop only propped up by the fact two previous actors who were in better films showed up. You can rewatch spiderverse and enjoy all the subtlies and details in its world but NWH is just a one watch kind of movie.
See, I can honestly tolerate Miles insofar as it's interesting to watch an old and busted Peter Parker take on a younger protégé. The problem is when all the other Spiders start showing up and that dynamic gets pushed to the side with little room to breath throughout the second half of the movie. And as far as I know Pete and Miles' mentor relationship gets pushed back even further if not outright abandoned in the sequel and thus I had no interest in seeing it. All that said it still does nothing to excuse any of the BS mary sue abilities they gift to Miles in addition to his webs and spider-sense
unfortunately thats just how they all are. Bailey, silk, miles, they all get extra powers on top of what pete already has.
>Homecoming did the better "kid embracing he's Spider-Man" story than the first Spider-Verse since Peter goes to fight Vulture alone and without the suit or Tony's blessing
>Miles needs to be affirmed as Spider-Man by a mentor character and receive the official blessing and suit etc to go joint the fight everyone wanted him on for anyway
>Far From Home did the better "legacy taking up after the mentor" story than the first Spider-Verse since Peter rejects being Iron Man and does his own thing being Spider-Man
>Miles needs to assume the dead Spider-Man's identity in order to be validated and cries when someone denies it to him and never even thinks of making something uniquely his own
>No Way Home did the better "Spider-Man saving everyone" story than the second Spider-Verse since Peter refuses to let innocent people die even if they're villains and it breaks the multiverse
>Miles needs every other Spider-Man to be a sociopath that lets people die so that he can be the only multiverse Spider-Man who wants to save his.. dad he's incredibly biased for (implying he might let non-family die for canon events)
Imagine understanding Spider-Man less than the MCU
Clearly typed by someone who hasn't watched ITSV either since it came out or ever at all.
>Miles needs to be affirmed as Spider-Man by a mentor character and receive the official blessing and suit etc to go joint the fight everyone wanted him on for anyway
Literally no one wanted him to join the fight. Peter kicked his ass and tied him up to prevent him from going because he believed he wasn't ready yet, and he wasn't. Miles had to go on his own volition and had to prove himself when all the other spider people didn't.
>Miles needs to assume the dead Spider-Man's identity in order to be validated and cries when someone denies it to him and never even thinks of making something uniquely his own
Comparing Peter to Miles in this case is very disingenuous. Peter was compared to Iron man but was never considered his direct "replacement", he was always considered "Spiderman". And Miles is just taking over for a Spiderman that had died. He has the Spiderman powers, and the city needed a Spiderman. His whole arc was just learning to fill that role with the second movie being about him making that role his own.
>Miles needs every other Spider-Man to be a sociopath that lets people die so that he can be the only multiverse Spider-Man who wants to save his.. dad he's incredibly biased for (implying he might let non-family die for canon events)
Him being the only one to object against the "canon events" could just as easily be explained by him not being an actual proper spider person, he is an anomaly, he wasn't meant to agree with it or even be Spiderman. We also don't fully know the legitimacy of the canon events and whether or not the other spider people were simply cherry picked by Miguel to most agree with him. There could just as well be a faction of spider people who are against him. There's also no evidence to suggest that he would have let non-family die for canon events, and even so of course he'd be biased towards saving his dad, ITS HIS DAD.
>*Miles had to go on his own volition and had to prove himself when all the other spider people didn't believe in him.
>Literally no one wanted him to join the fight. Peter kicked his ass and tied him up to prevent him from going because he believed he wasn't ready yet, and he wasn't. Miles had to go on his own volition and had to prove himself when all the other spider people didn't
They literally spend the whole movie trying to make space for him in the team and only abandon him when he fails to impress them, then he jumps off of a building and "I know Kung Fu"s years of Spider-Man training
>Comparing Peter to Miles in this case is very disingenuous. Peter was compared to Iron man but was never considered his direct "replacement", he was always considered "Spiderman".
Literally the whole plot is about Tony seeing Peter as his successor and leaving EDITH to him, which would turn him from Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man to Global Overseer Iron Spider i.e. Iron Man
>And Miles is just taking over for a Spiderman that had died. He has the Spiderman powers, and the city needed a Spiderman. His whole arc was just learning to fill that role with the second movie being about him making that role his own
He can be a spider-themed hero without calling himself "Spider-Man", he's met three Spider-Men and all three were Peter Parkers, meanwhile Gwen, Peni, and Porker all had their own monikers and if he was about "doing his own thing" he would've made a new identity for himself instead of stealing the name and the suit
>There's also no evidence to suggest that he would have let non-family die for canon events, and even so of course he'd be biased towards saving his dad, ITS HIS DAD
The point is that when Peter's moral is on display in the face of a trolley problem, he's risking everything to save strangers and VILLAINS, meanwhile when Miles is supposed to be the Spider-Jesus among all the doomers, it's about him being saving his own dad
I won't go into the Spider-Society because the directors already said what it's about and it's just as shit as Cinemaphile would have you believe
>They literally spend the whole movie trying to make space for him in the team and only abandon him when he fails to impress them, then he jumps off of a building and "I know Kung Fu"s years of Spider-Man training
Again, revisionism. They literally try testing him the first time they meet, he fails to get back up after he gets pushed into performing to their expectations, and because of that he later isn't welcomed to fight the king pin.
>Literally the whole plot is about Tony seeing Peter as his successor and leaving EDITH to him
Being his successor dosen't make him "Ironman" and even if it did, how would that compare to Miles being the new Spiderman?
>He can be a spider-themed hero without calling himself "Spider-Man", he's met three Spider-Men and all three were Peter Parkers, meanwhile Gwen, Peni, and Porker all had their own monikers and if he was about "doing his own thing" he would've made a new identity for himself instead of stealing the name and the suit
He's not operating in the same city as another Spiderman, when confined to his universe, he's the only spiderman left there. It's not some bullshit thing where he's operating alongside peter while sharing his name like in the mainline comics or insomniac games. I don't see anons getting angry that Terry McGinnis is called "Batman".
>The point is that when Peter's moral is on display in the face of a trolley problem, he's risking everything to save strangers and VILLAINS, meanwhile when Miles is supposed to be the Spider-Jesus among all the doomers, it's about him being saving his own dad
Miles Morales : So we're just supposed to let people die?
Miguel O'Hara : You have a choice between saving one person, and saving an entire world, every world.
Miles Morales : I can do both!
>I won't go into the Spider-Society because the directors already said what it's about and it's just as shit as Cinemaphile would have you believe
why tf would you listen to Cinemaphiletards opinions on anything?
>Again, revisionism. They literally try testing him the first time they meet, he fails to get back up after he gets pushed into performing to their expectations, and because of that he later isn't welcomed to fight the king pin.
He spends the whole movie tagging along with Pete, and then Gwen, and then the team, and only then do they test him, in total he spends maybe 2-3 hours away from the action at most, when Tony in Homecoming avoided Peter and told him to drop the Vulture for weeks, they were totally on board with him joining the fight if he could prove himself, and he pulled years of combat and swinging experience out of his ass with the leap of faith
>Being his successor dosen't make him "Ironman" and even if it did, how would that compare to Miles being the new Spiderman?
Having spider powers doesn't make Miles "Spider-Man", Tony literally knew and mentored Pete and wanted him to succeed him and left him his enforcing tools, meanwhile Miles simply accepts that he's supposed to be Spider-Man and never tries to be original
>He's not operating in the same city as another Spiderman, when confined to his universe, he's the only spiderman left there.
And? Gwen, Peni, Porker, etc are all the Spider-People of their universe and don't call themselves Spider-Man
>I don't see anons getting angry that Terry McGinnis is called "Batman".
Because Terry is a unique take on Batman that gets approved and coached by Bruce and doesn't overstay his welcome in media, do you think people would be angry at Miles if ITSV was his only appearance ever
>Miles Morales : I can do both!
Peter also wanted both, except he was ready to risk everything to save villains, whereas as far as we know Miles is only doing it because his dad is on the line, would he act the same if Kingpin's life was on the line?
>why tf would you listen to Cinemaphiletards opinions on anything?
Because they were literally right in this case
https://www.tiktok.com/@nerdist/video/7241326171361774890
Those are just a bunch of reasons why you would rather watch a movie about regular Peter. It's like saying John Wick movies suck because he isn't James Bond. These movies are about a different character, and it's a good thing that they weren't married to the comics interpretation, because Miles is boring as fuck in print. The MCU Spider-Man movies are all mediocre films regardless of whether or not the main character met your expectations for an existing IP. Meeting misdirected preconceived notions of what a film is not trying to be has nothing to do with the quality of a film.
>the movie is about a worse character and a worse take on Spider-Man than the MCU.. and that's a good thing
>it's a good thing that they weren't married to the comics interpretation, because Miles is boring as fuck in print.
Maybe don't make a movie about a boring as fuck character then?
>The MCU Spider-Man movies are all mediocre films regardless of whether or not the main character met your expectations for an existing IP.
And still better than either Spider-Verse
>Meeting misdirected preconceived notions of what a film is not trying to be has nothing to do with the quality of a film.
It literally does when it comes to adapted stories, especially when the adapted stories are directly appealing and referring to the preconceived notions of the source material in the story itself
OK, so you want more movies about your interpretation of Peter Parker. Pretty much everyone else will base their satisfaction level on all aspects of a film, and will be happy when there are surprises. One of the great things about the Verse movies is that, while they are filled with Easter eggs, you don't actually have to know all that lore to enjoy the movies on their own terms. It's the opposite of an MCU post credits scene where they drop a name or a symbol and all the fanboys cheer and the normies shrug. Well, the normies probably left when the credits started. That kind of pandering is fun and I'm not knocking it, but the Verse energy is just different. Dropping in art history jokes for different kinds of nerds is the same gag, done in a surprising way. I like that kind of playfulness. I didn't go into those movies hoping they were anything other than good. I actually had to be talked into going to the first one, because as everyone knows, comics MIles sucks. And then I thought the first was a fluke and that the second couldn't possibly be any good. I actually wished they'd just left well enough alone, because I didn't want them to tarnish the first movie with a cheap cash grab. I was happy to not have my expectations met, both times.
>your interpretation of Peter Parker.
No it's pretty much the established interpretation solidified over 60 years
>you don't actually have to know all that lore to enjoy the movies on their own terms
You kidding? The movie spends a quarter of its runtime trying to update people on all the "lore", it's probably the worst first Spider-Man movie for a first-time watcher
>likes ATSV
Oh you're just retarded
>Miles needs to assume the dead Spider-Man's identity in order to be validated
You could say the same thing about Miguel.
Think about it this way, two up and coming basketball players are choosing their nicknames, one chooses "The Stilt" to honor Wilt Chamberlain who retired 50 years ago and died 20 years ago, the other chooses "Black Mamba" a day after Kobe died, do you see a difference between their approaches
>listening to Cinemaphile about miles
>Was Cinemaphile just lying to me with bad faith arguments?
Mostly Cinemaphile crossposters, but yes.
People saying he's a Peter clone are very wrong. People saying he's boring are completely right.
Yep, still not watching any media featuring Miles
You had it backwards, MCU Spidey is basically a rip-off of Miles.
>Implying
That's too nice, MCU Spidey spends about two movies being an Ironheart-esque ward to fucking Tony Stark. Ironheart, who was such an unmarketable character that they only brought her in when their idea trough was runnning on empty. And they thought "Our Spider-Man should be that but less self-inventive!" People complain up and fucking down about Miles not being a real Spider-Man while a baby faced insult to what Peter Parker should be gets slapped everywhere.
It took three movies and TWO OTHER SPIDER-MEN for MCU Peter to start resembling what he should've been from the start. I'll never not consider him an abject disappointment.
they are blinded just cause his name is peter and that somehow makes it "GOOD"
Hadn't thought of that, but Not-Ganke and Young Hot May were particularly egregious, so I stand by my point.
They're blinded because racism.
yep, youre right
The entire reason people have grown to hate Miles is that it's becoming increasingly clear the suits at Disney and/or Sony want him to replace Peter. That wasn't the case in the first Spider-Verse movie, or at least it wasn't abundantly clear. The first movie is essentially a tag team with Miles and Peter as co-protagonists, and the movie does more than enough to give Peter his due.
Miles isn't a good character but nobody objects to him existing as such. What we object to is him replacing Peter. That's ALWAYS been the problem, and the criticism of Miles has increased in intensity as it has become clearer that replacing Peter is exactly what Disney, or Sony, or both, want.
the idea of miles replacing peter has become less and less the goal of the character and most media is fine with him being side by side with peter. No one wants pete dead and they know the masses prefer both of them active or around (See ps4/5 game)
If you have kids or work with kids you'd know that the new direction they've taken for Spider-Man is to make Peter the leader of a group of Spider People. They probably intend to make the Spider-Man franchise a team-based property instead of a solo-based property with Peter Parker at the helm as it's leader.
The branding is named 'Spidey and his Amazing Friends'.
They have a cartoon and lots of books.
Long term this probably isn't a bad idea. Little girls can get attached to Gwen (Ghost Spider), that outfit and the character were a real slam dunk. Little boys of color can get attached to Miles. Peter is for everyone. I don't know how much I like the prospect of Spider-Man becoming something like the X-men or the Fantastic Four but it isn't a terrible idea from a sales perspective.
Or here's an idea, maybe characters should focus on their core appeal that made them worldwide icons instead of forcibly being changed to fit California's mentally ill idea of wide appeal?
Little girls literally never fell for being pandered to in boys' media ever and Gwen has always been nothing but coombait, and little brown boys never needed Goku to be brown to get attached to him, so maybe don't give them shitty knockoff Spider-Man hoping they get attached to him instead of the real thing, and especially don't try to normalize that retardation across other media lest companies start adding female Gokus and white Black Panthers and gay Supermen into every piece of their media in equal roles thinking that's normal and healthy.
The masses preferred Peter solo, then Sony and Disney decided to force everyone to get used to Spider-Man becoming two man Power Rangers and willingly ate losses in various media until they made that happen, THAT is the problem.
What is it about Miles that made giant corporations decide to force him into the largest Marvel hero IP at any cost and at the risk of tanking it forever, and why did no other character before get that treatment, when the MO up until then was to not fix what isn't broken?
Maybe people would eventually start accepting that Batman is now always a two man act of Bruce and an intelligent talking dolphin he wheels around in a Radio Flyer after DC spent hundreds of millions trying to make it happen in various media and losing money they would've made on solo Batman media, but wouldn't it be confounding and bewildering if solo Batman media was doing fine and growing at a healthy rate?
>The masses preferred Peter solo
Not true. Ben Reilly, Spider-woman, Kaine, etc. have existed for decades and have their own fandoms. People are accepting of more Spider-man characters.
You’re an angry fanboy seething over Miles to a ridiculous degree and have to concoct silly conspiracy theories about media corporations that are out to destroy Peter and rank the franchise to rationalise your deranged butthurt because you can’t accept there is a market for Miles.
>Not true. Ben Reilly, Spider-woman, Kaine, etc. have existed for decades and have their own fandoms.
Wow where are their movies and games and TV shows then? They don't have any? The idea of turning Spider-Man into a circus outside of comics read by 100k people total started the second Miles was added and was never even considered before? I wonder why
>People are accepting of more Spider-man characters.
Their comic sales say otherwise, and Miles had some of the worst sales of them all but got forced into everything hardest and quickest
>You’re an angry fanboy seething over Miles to a ridiculous degree and have to concoct silly conspiracy theories about media corporations that are out to destroy Peter and rank the franchise to rationalise your deranged butthurt .
And you're an angry culture warrior seething that the campaign to turn Spider-Man black simply to quench Californian mental illness is receiving pushback
>because you can’t accept there is a market for Miles
There isn't, his most popular outing yet, ATSV, had identical domestic demographics to No Way Home (the movie about three Peter Parkers) except far less people came out to see it, meanwhile it's the second worst performing Spider-Man overseas and international audiences don't care about Miles at all, there's simply no way to justify spending a dollar on Miles for a 2x return when that same dollar spent on Peter would've had a 10x return given the Pareto principle
>There is no market for Miles! Okay there is one that’s comparable to Peter’s latest live action movies but that proves nothing!
LOL
Can you not read? In America the same demographics turned out for both NWH and ATSV, except they turned out in far fewer numbers for ATSV, meaning he didn't capture any new racial demographics, he just attracts the same exact domestic audience but far less of it, meaning you could've done it with Peter and made far more money, especially since you'd be attracting the entire international market that doesn't care for race-swaps.
Across the Spider-verse almost doubled its box office from the previous entry. And foreign box office on both instances did fairly similar numbers comps to the domestic, across doing less but it also got banned from few countries. Clearly Miles has broad appeal. It being a cartoon means it’s not going to get as many people to the seats as a live action movie. You’re just so desperate to pretend that Miles isn’t reaching an audience
>Across the Spider-verse almost doubled its box office from the previous entry.
From crazy disappointing to merely worse than TASM2
>And foreign box office on both instances did fairly similar numbers comps to the domestic, across doing less but it also got banned from few countries.
ATSV was only banned in the Middle East which is a tiny market for movies, it had China which is the biggest international market, but NWH didn't have China and did crazy good intentionally anyway
>Clearly Miles has broad appeal.
He clearly doesn't
>It being a cartoon means it’s not going to get as many people to the seats as a live action movie.
Didn't stop Mario
>You’re just so desperate to pretend that Miles isn’t reaching an audience
The numbers speak for themselves
You cannot directly compare cartoons to live action. It’s incredibly idiotic to do it.
>nuh-uh everybody dislikes Miles, that’s why he won an Oscar and started two very successful animated movies!!! What about Mario!
Maybe you should just go in a closet and cry in rage. You are not able to actually talk honestly about the subject
Oh right the live action Mario movie made 4 billion dollars so obviously the animated Mario movie is going to do 4x worse than that, live action and animation simply can't be compared
>muh animation Oscars
Literal joke award in an already clown ceremony
You cannot compare them specifically because live action and cartoon movie audiences are not exactly the same and do not have automatic overlap. Mario made tons of money because it was a drag your entire family to the movie that also brought in individual adult audiences. Spider-verse is not a whole family is going to see it movie, it attracts way more individual adults who usually watch less cartoons. Stop being obtuse
masses love superhero families, see batman
See Batman, who has been solo without even Robin in 7 out of 9 theatrical live action movies
>The entire reason schizos have grown to hate Miles
Fix'd
I don't hate Miles for being black but 2nd movie had too many black spiderman, idk it was weird like there's this screen where there's 4 of them in a elevator and it's like you have miles the "black" spider man, then you have the another black spiderman but this time a lady that rides a motorcycle and then punk spiderman takes off his mask and it's like surprise I'm black, then you just have little white girl Gwen standing there, I felt like I was looking at that one porn meme. Then the thing that really hammered it in is when just a minute or two after that their running into all of these different Spiderman and we gotta make this one white Spiderman look lame by crying but then surprise surprise what do we have here, super cool black vr girl Spiderman, let's focus on her and make her important. Like shit the black pandering was over the top, I thought miles was the black spiderman but apparently half of the Spiderman are black, who fucking knew.
I honestly didn't notice (in the sense that I wasn't keeping track of how many people were black compared to everyone else). The movie was good enough that the race stuff sort of fell away for me.
Next film they can offset it by having a ton of doomed Gwens. I remember reading that was supposed to be a part of the film that got cut/segmented into the last film. So the next film should be rife with blondes.
Could be cool to get some appearances from Silk though, the films don't really have notable Asian presence outside of Peni.
>the movie about the overwhelming amount of black people in Spider-Man's multiverse can offset it by having lots of Gwens doomed to die for liking Peter so the movie can pretend Gwen can only live if she likes Spider-Man but black
I suppose it's weirdly weighted the variety of Spider-Man is. If they're white, it's Peter. If not, who the fuck knows.
I personally think it's dependent on how old Peter Parker is in each universe when that spider turns radioactive. If Peter is in High School, it bites him. If not, then it's a lottery.
>but 2nd movie had too many black spiderman
Why is it okay to have million white Spider-men in the multiverse but the second you have little bit of non-white ones you start to feel bothered by that?
>It’s like I’m watching Blacked.Com porn!
Perhaps this is an opportunity for you to log off, take a step back and start to self-reflect why that was your first thought and why it gets under your skin that you aren’t fed just white characters on a constant stream in order for you to feel safe and be able to turn your brain off and just enjoy a fucking cartoon movie.
>But it’s pandering!!
And it isn’t pandering to cast most characters always white in media? Think real hard now. No creative person ever thinks “I need to perfectly reflect population demographics in my art or it’s inaccurate and bad”. No fiction in history has done that because it’s a ridiculous notion. What you’re thinking about is being conditioned since birth to accept just one very one-sized, lazy and biased way to depict people and consider it as the acceptable norm without any basis for it or real justification.
>Why is it okay to have million white Spider-men in the multiverse but the second you have little bit of non-white ones you start to feel bothered by that?
Would people have the right to be bothered by a Blade multiverse movie which makes out most notable Blade variants to be white guys and focusing on them instead of alternate versions of Eric Brooks?
Except Gwen is white, Peter B. Parker is white, Miles’ Peter is white, one was a talking pig, one was a Japanese school girl, Spider-man Noir is white, Miguel is Latino… your entire disingenuous argument is bullshit.
We're talking about ATSV, in which Gwen is just Miles' romance interest repurposed from Peter, Peter B is sidelined, the rest don't appear or do in villain roles.
So the equivalent would be a Blade multiverse movie focusing on a white guy Blade romancing a Blade Safron, being jealous of another white Blade for dating her before him, teaming up with an Indian Blade and another white girl Blade, against a Latino Blade and a pregnant white woman Blade and a 90s joke black Blade, where the real Blade shows up in two scenes total and betrays his core values in both so the main white guy Blade can appear as the Bladest Blade in the multiverse.
It’s not the equivalent because you already got one movie with primarily white Spider-men representing the multiverse. If your dumb muh Blade argument involved having one Blade movie already with majority of the cast being other black Blades nobody would care if you introduced more white and Japanese, Latino ones because it adds variety and is different from the other variants. Your argument is stupid and disingenuous because you just can’t handle Miles existing and being dark skinned Spider-man
No the white Blade multiverse movie I described would be bullshit regardless of any other existing Blade movies
It wouldn’t be. Stay mad.
Why do you hate Blade so much
it's ways always a bad faith argument. Peter just like every character in comics doesn't have a consistent character, 616 Peter is nothing like he was from 30 years ago and all the adaptations are completely different from each other.
He is Miles Morrales?
He should have never stopped being a shota.
>Trying to insert ditko era highschool peter or ultimate peter
You talk as if they were the only versions of that character. This character doesn't have many differences from the movie versions.
>Listening to Cinemaphile
You buffoon. You maroon. You absolute cocoon.
Cinemaphile doesn't know good media even if it came to their house to give them money.
Watch the second one and see all that characterization be pissed away for hood rat pandering.
>Just from the first 30 minutes alone let alone the whole film he already feels like a different person/character than peter at the same age
So, what is his character besides Not Peter?
imagine listening to Cinemaphile, the source of all trolling.
then you misunderstood the movie, he is supposed to be just Peter but with the swagger of a black teen. It's like the entire point of his character
If Miles were White no one would be able to tell the difference between him and Peter. At least Miggy had a different origin.
Man, the original 2099 series has its flaws but this image really made me want to re read it. Miguel really does have a good origin and cast
>Smart and average kids from middle class 2 parent households
>Started off in school as outcasted kids who are intelligently gifted
>Had a close bond with their uncle specifically
>Got their powers the exact same way from the same spider
>Miles literally steals one of Peter's suits and graffitis it, also steals the web-shooters
>Stole all of Peter's side characters and villains and added nothing new to them including his first primary love interest
>Stole the plot point of his uncle dying being what pushes him to fully accept himself as a vigilante
May as well just call him Peter Darker cause that's what the bum is. He literally exists because Marvel thought Non-White people can't relate to characters that are White or just look nothing like them in general. And that is more racist than anything else.
ATSV is the one getting shat on though.