At least Quagmire is funny sometimes and isn't involved in any of the cringiest moments of Family Guy. Quagmire was never in a bank vault eating shit for an entire episode. Quagmire never died to feign drama in a show that can't break from the status quo.
>At least Quagmire is funny sometimes and isn't involved in any of the cringiest moments of Family Guy
That changed in later seasons. For some reason they decided to make Quagmire the cynical straight man of the show that gets annoyed at everyone's antics and refuses to go along with any joke.
You can't really have a pervert with questionable attitude towards consent anymore, so all they can do is make him a straight man with a slight sexual edge, but who now respects boundaries.
They could have toned down some of his more controversial sexual deviancy and still kept him as the laidback ladies man, just with no more rape jokes. He actually annoys me far more than any other character now because of his he kills any scene he's in by refusing to participate in any of the antics. It doesn't help that they try to put him on a moral pedestal often and keep showing that he's actually this really upstanding and responsible guy.
I know they're trying to erase the fact he used to be a literal rapist but it just doesn't work with him. If they wanted a straight man for the group it could have just been Cleveland.
I hate how he gets to be on the pedestal and above everyone despite what his character is. He ALWAYS had to be better than everyone. I wish someone would put him in his place.
It's rare for anything bad to even happen to him anymore even though literally everyone else is subject to slapstick or getting shit on with little to no prompting.
I'm pretty sure someone on the writing team turned him into their personal pet character.
Well look at the massive shift over the years in how Quagmire's dad has been treated, it went from a complete joke to a weird awkward phase to making him a protected icon.
“Aren’t you a rapist? Didn’t you try to have sex with Lois? And let’s not forget to mention Meg and her friends who were all underage at the time? Don’t you have a daughter you abandoned? And you only ever saw how much of a pig you were when you were forced to be treated in the same way you treat women. Frick off.”
Option A >Lie about being the better person by trying to see the good on him despite that
Option B >Be (more) honest about wanting to be liked by someone I've been around for a long time and thought I offended but use that to launch into a counter rant about how he's not worth it anymore
>And you only ever saw how much of a pig you were when you were forced to be treated in the same way you treat women
He didn't even learn his lesson in that one, he just became lesbian and exploited women who were abused by their boyfriends
Quagmire's objectively a worse person than Brian being a rapist and all who doesn't talk to the swarms of kids of leaves behind. His argument for why he's better person than Brian is that he's more "honest" with who he is to himself and others which is dumb. Also my music plays in a different window lol
I am as the universe created me. I've been shaped into this by my environment. If me being the worst person ever helps you be a better person by example, then that's god's plan.
this whole conversation was just mastubatory on quagmires part
neither character is in much of a place to judge
quagmire as a man who ats like a dog
and brian a dog that acts like a man
if anything Brian is more impressive in his social failure
but quagmire starts to just barley crack the surface of brians existential absurdity and how in his transcendence of species has placed him in a sort of mellow mediacrity instead of something more apocalyptical
Brian for trying to manipulate someone into liking him. >but Quaggy Maggy Rapey
Yes, but the question isn't "who's the worse person" it's "who was in the wrong?" Brian found out that Quagmire hates him and instead of going "like I give a frick what that deranged weirdo thinks", he becomes fixated with getting Quagmire to like him. Anyone who does that gets what they deserve.
Brian was done dirty by the writing staff. The original character was a little bit of a pretentious know-it-all, but he was genuinely intelligent and had reason to be snarky, as he really was surrounded by people who couldn't appreciate him, but as the characters shifted and flanderized and societal norms changed he eventually turned to unwarranted arrogance and got punished for it. Now all they do is make jokes about him posturing pretending to understand intellectual things and then getting called out for being a poser, which is the complete opposite of his original character, but which fits better into how the show works now. Random characters are more likely to know extremely niche things for the sake of comedy, so in modern Family Guy, if an obscure philosopher comes up, the joke would be that Brian would say some vague and blatantly incorrect thing to try to sound smart, and then someone who has no business knowing about the subject, like Quagmire or Joe or some tertiary character like Carl would correct him leading to an awkward embarrassing scene. Which is okay on its own, seeing pretentious blowhards get punctured is fun, but the original concept of the character of Brian is that he legitimately was the one to be able to quote literature and philosophy and it would just go over the heads of everybody else.
>shits on Brian for liking Lois >Pervs on her and hits on her, makes a doll using her hair and chokes on her stuff >shits on Brian for not seeing his kid >Is shown to have dozens of kids, gave away his child when it was dumped on him, nearly fricked one of his kids too >shits on Brian for being a bad friend >does loads of bad shit with the guys >raped a highschool girl, locks people up in his car and house, has rape machines etc etc
Yeah.
>does loads of bad shit with the guys
He’s always been the epitome of a bad friend, from the first episode to the newer ones. He deserves to have the world shit on him instead of being this martyr moral compass butthole they’re writing him as. Since 1999 he’s >hit on all of his best friend’s wives >had sex with one of his friend’s first wives and broke up their marriage, making him a single father >hit on and attempted to have sex with his best friend’s underage daughter and her underage friends >hit on multiple underage girls in general >raped women and has rape machines in his home >stalked multiple women including his best friend’s wife >has children with multiple women and refuses to take care of any of them or pay child support despite being a single man living on a pilot’s salary >is condescending towards all of his friends including making fun of Joe for being in a wheelchair through no fault of his own >demeans the wives of all of his friends by calling them bawds despite being the textbook definition of a bawd >doesn’t ever realize how much of a pig he is despite living as a woman and experiencing this firsthand >is a hypocrite towards Brian, not seeing the irony that he’s worse than a dog
I don’t see why the writing staff has such a boner for redeeming him. If anything, kill him off.
Brian's an idiot for even trying to be friend with Quagmire. But he's as least not in the wrong in most situations.
Quagmire however is a known serial rapist, a sexual deviant among the city, and knowingly gives out std's despite knowing the risk. Him trying to take the high ground in this altercation never came off as genuine seeing as once again. He's a fricking rapist with numerous unforgiving deplorable acts against his closest friends and the people around him.
brian is actually trying to be quagmire's friend and quagmire throws it in his face when soup kitchens don't solve homelessness. quagmire is one of those snob activist that thing activism is what really helps when it doesn't actually fix problems.
he also makes a lot of money as a pilot and if he gave a shit, you'd think that he would do other things like specific donations or run for office in a political party that supports the working class.
also the show is inconsistent about what brian is allowed to do as a dog. how the frick is quagmire to judge when brian can't do many human activities?
rather than rationally criticize brian, he just goes off the rails on a tirade
Alright I'm gonna go ahead and reply to Quagmire. I'll also go ahead and call him a homosexual as that's the common procedure here. I'll be sure to quote his post number even though that's completely unnecessary. Let's also post an accompanying image that's appropriate enough but really is just the quickest image I could find on the first page of a google image search, probably a youtube video clip with a watermark that I won't properly crop. I am going to make an offhand remark about Quagmire's race, religion, and sexual exploits or lack there of. Better call him a newbie from reddit or twitter just to be safe, I can always blame /misc/ or Cinemaphile if that doesn't work. Insert a forced sneed's feed and seed reference, wouldn't be the first time we stole from the Simpsons. Finally I'll cap off my reply by saying that your mother will die in her sleep if you don't respond to my post. And that should just about do it for my Cinemaphile post.
The irony of Quagmire calling Brian a bore is that Quagmire has since been reinvented as the bore of Peter's group.
In fact, in some ways, Quagmire and Brian have practically swapped roles, as Brian is the only one regularly shown sleeping around.
Any reason why they seemed to have quietly done away with the Q man being a serial rapist?
And I do mean rapist, like when he raped that high school girl tied up in the early seasons.
well yeah, its because Seth wanted a spin off with quagmire but this was during the sex pest era. So now they're just gonna tone his ass down and reinvent his character. And then have this get drawn out for several years and cut out the episodes of him being problematic and then Suddenly he'll get his own show.
Seth wants to get a spin-off by removing all the things that make Quagmire amusing?
It's not like they're just toning down the rape, they're intentionally writing him as a boring, annoying 1950s throwback wannabe that's only good for other characters to bounce off.
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Brian is constantly an annoying c**t, I'm with Quags
To bad it's so out of character it ruins the whole message.
Both. The two are characters with little to no moral compass. One just happens to be worse than the other.
Both of them are shits, but all Brian had to do in order to destroy the entirety of his tirade is say "You are a literal rapist" and walk out.
yeah he should do that with lois too
At least Quagmire is funny sometimes and isn't involved in any of the cringiest moments of Family Guy. Quagmire was never in a bank vault eating shit for an entire episode. Quagmire never died to feign drama in a show that can't break from the status quo.
>At least Quagmire is funny sometimes and isn't involved in any of the cringiest moments of Family Guy
That changed in later seasons. For some reason they decided to make Quagmire the cynical straight man of the show that gets annoyed at everyone's antics and refuses to go along with any joke.
You can't really have a pervert with questionable attitude towards consent anymore, so all they can do is make him a straight man with a slight sexual edge, but who now respects boundaries.
They could have toned down some of his more controversial sexual deviancy and still kept him as the laidback ladies man, just with no more rape jokes. He actually annoys me far more than any other character now because of his he kills any scene he's in by refusing to participate in any of the antics. It doesn't help that they try to put him on a moral pedestal often and keep showing that he's actually this really upstanding and responsible guy.
I know they're trying to erase the fact he used to be a literal rapist but it just doesn't work with him. If they wanted a straight man for the group it could have just been Cleveland.
I hate how he gets to be on the pedestal and above everyone despite what his character is. He ALWAYS had to be better than everyone. I wish someone would put him in his place.
It's rare for anything bad to even happen to him anymore even though literally everyone else is subject to slapstick or getting shit on with little to no prompting.
I'm pretty sure someone on the writing team turned him into their personal pet character.
Cowards.
Well look at the massive shift over the years in how Quagmire's dad has been treated, it went from a complete joke to a weird awkward phase to making him a protected icon.
How would you respond if someone talked to you the way Quagmire did to Brian?
“Aren’t you a rapist? Didn’t you try to have sex with Lois? And let’s not forget to mention Meg and her friends who were all underage at the time? Don’t you have a daughter you abandoned? And you only ever saw how much of a pig you were when you were forced to be treated in the same way you treat women. Frick off.”
"And you wanted me to like you and be your friend despite knowing all that. What does that say about you?"
"It says I'm not a rapist."
Option A
>Lie about being the better person by trying to see the good on him despite that
Option B
>Be (more) honest about wanting to be liked by someone I've been around for a long time and thought I offended but use that to launch into a counter rant about how he's not worth it anymore
>And you only ever saw how much of a pig you were when you were forced to be treated in the same way you treat women
He didn't even learn his lesson in that one, he just became lesbian and exploited women who were abused by their boyfriends
Regarding your image, if you just hit
CTRL + SHIFT + T or CMD + SHIFT+ T on Mac,
It'll reopen the tab you just closed.
make his dad your b***h, and make him watch.
Depends on if it could stop the gangstalking
Quagmire's objectively a worse person than Brian being a rapist and all who doesn't talk to the swarms of kids of leaves behind. His argument for why he's better person than Brian is that he's more "honest" with who he is to himself and others which is dumb. Also my music plays in a different window lol
I am as the universe created me. I've been shaped into this by my environment. If me being the worst person ever helps you be a better person by example, then that's god's plan.
Its just a rapist telling a sociopath that he is morally wrong. People being people, i guess.
>How would you respond if someone talked to you the way Quagmire did to Brian?
I turned your father into my b***h. He likes it doggy style
this whole conversation was just mastubatory on quagmires part
neither character is in much of a place to judge
quagmire as a man who ats like a dog
and brian a dog that acts like a man
if anything Brian is more impressive in his social failure
but quagmire starts to just barley crack the surface of brians existential absurdity and how in his transcendence of species has placed him in a sort of mellow mediacrity instead of something more apocalyptical
Brian for trying to manipulate someone into liking him.
>but Quaggy Maggy Rapey
Yes, but the question isn't "who's the worse person" it's "who was in the wrong?" Brian found out that Quagmire hates him and instead of going "like I give a frick what that deranged weirdo thinks", he becomes fixated with getting Quagmire to like him. Anyone who does that gets what they deserve.
Quagmire only hates Brian because he sees so much of himself in the horny mutt. People hate to be reminded of their worst qualities.
Isn't the joke that Brian is so insecure that he needs the approval of even the worst possible person he knows?
Glenn is a rapist.
Brian was done dirty by the writing staff. The original character was a little bit of a pretentious know-it-all, but he was genuinely intelligent and had reason to be snarky, as he really was surrounded by people who couldn't appreciate him, but as the characters shifted and flanderized and societal norms changed he eventually turned to unwarranted arrogance and got punished for it. Now all they do is make jokes about him posturing pretending to understand intellectual things and then getting called out for being a poser, which is the complete opposite of his original character, but which fits better into how the show works now. Random characters are more likely to know extremely niche things for the sake of comedy, so in modern Family Guy, if an obscure philosopher comes up, the joke would be that Brian would say some vague and blatantly incorrect thing to try to sound smart, and then someone who has no business knowing about the subject, like Quagmire or Joe or some tertiary character like Carl would correct him leading to an awkward embarrassing scene. Which is okay on its own, seeing pretentious blowhards get punctured is fun, but the original concept of the character of Brian is that he legitimately was the one to be able to quote literature and philosophy and it would just go over the heads of everybody else.
God.
Brian, though I wonder if the writers intended for Quagmire to be in the wrong
Brian could be fricking annoying and sanctimonious, but Quagmire is an actual monster.
Quagmire should be happy that brian made his dad feel like a lady
Quagmire raped a highschool girl in a bathroom.
>shits on Brian for liking Lois
>there's an episode later on where he turns out to be in love with Lois and fights Peter over it
Hypocrite much?
>shits on Brian for liking Lois
>Pervs on her and hits on her, makes a doll using her hair and chokes on her stuff
>shits on Brian for not seeing his kid
>Is shown to have dozens of kids, gave away his child when it was dumped on him, nearly fricked one of his kids too
>shits on Brian for being a bad friend
>does loads of bad shit with the guys
>raped a highschool girl, locks people up in his car and house, has rape machines etc etc
Yeah.
>does loads of bad shit with the guys
He’s always been the epitome of a bad friend, from the first episode to the newer ones. He deserves to have the world shit on him instead of being this martyr moral compass butthole they’re writing him as. Since 1999 he’s
>hit on all of his best friend’s wives
>had sex with one of his friend’s first wives and broke up their marriage, making him a single father
>hit on and attempted to have sex with his best friend’s underage daughter and her underage friends
>hit on multiple underage girls in general
>raped women and has rape machines in his home
>stalked multiple women including his best friend’s wife
>has children with multiple women and refuses to take care of any of them or pay child support despite being a single man living on a pilot’s salary
>is condescending towards all of his friends including making fun of Joe for being in a wheelchair through no fault of his own
>demeans the wives of all of his friends by calling them bawds despite being the textbook definition of a bawd
>doesn’t ever realize how much of a pig he is despite living as a woman and experiencing this firsthand
>is a hypocrite towards Brian, not seeing the irony that he’s worse than a dog
I don’t see why the writing staff has such a boner for redeeming him. If anything, kill him off.
brian, for ever giving a shit what quagmire's opinion of him was
The writers and also me for watching
Brian for giving a frick what a serial rapist thinks of him
Brian's an idiot for even trying to be friend with Quagmire. But he's as least not in the wrong in most situations.
Quagmire however is a known serial rapist, a sexual deviant among the city, and knowingly gives out std's despite knowing the risk. Him trying to take the high ground in this altercation never came off as genuine seeing as once again. He's a fricking rapist with numerous unforgiving deplorable acts against his closest friends and the people around him.
quagmire is in the wrong
let's ignore the rapist part
brian is actually trying to be quagmire's friend and quagmire throws it in his face when soup kitchens don't solve homelessness. quagmire is one of those snob activist that thing activism is what really helps when it doesn't actually fix problems.
he also makes a lot of money as a pilot and if he gave a shit, you'd think that he would do other things like specific donations or run for office in a political party that supports the working class.
also the show is inconsistent about what brian is allowed to do as a dog. how the frick is quagmire to judge when brian can't do many human activities?
rather than rationally criticize brian, he just goes off the rails on a tirade
I remember when this rant was satisfying. Little did I know it would ruin both their characters at the same time for years.
Brian knowingly gave a baby herpes.
Alright I'm gonna go ahead and reply to Quagmire. I'll also go ahead and call him a homosexual as that's the common procedure here. I'll be sure to quote his post number even though that's completely unnecessary. Let's also post an accompanying image that's appropriate enough but really is just the quickest image I could find on the first page of a google image search, probably a youtube video clip with a watermark that I won't properly crop. I am going to make an offhand remark about Quagmire's race, religion, and sexual exploits or lack there of. Better call him a newbie from reddit or twitter just to be safe, I can always blame /misc/ or Cinemaphile if that doesn't work. Insert a forced sneed's feed and seed reference, wouldn't be the first time we stole from the Simpsons. Finally I'll cap off my reply by saying that your mother will die in her sleep if you don't respond to my post. And that should just about do it for my Cinemaphile post.
The irony of Quagmire calling Brian a bore is that Quagmire has since been reinvented as the bore of Peter's group.
In fact, in some ways, Quagmire and Brian have practically swapped roles, as Brian is the only one regularly shown sleeping around.
well yeah, its because Seth wanted a spin off with quagmire but this was during the sex pest era. So now they're just gonna tone his ass down and reinvent his character. And then have this get drawn out for several years and cut out the episodes of him being problematic and then Suddenly he'll get his own show.
Seth wants to get a spin-off by removing all the things that make Quagmire amusing?
It's not like they're just toning down the rape, they're intentionally writing him as a boring, annoying 1950s throwback wannabe that's only good for other characters to bounce off.
And yet they still gave Cleaveland a show before they gave him one
Any reason why they seemed to have quietly done away with the Q man being a serial rapist?
And I do mean rapist, like when he raped that high school girl tied up in the early seasons.
Too problematic
As always, all eleutheromaniacs are in the wrong, so both of them.