You think it's gonna have a good box office run? Like, maybe break $400mil at least? Or has the Disney+ release expectation just fucked over every film?
You think it's gonna have a good box office run? Like, maybe break $400mil at least?
You think it's gonna have a good box office run? Like, maybe break $400mil at least? Or has the Disney+ release expectation just fucked over every film?
Nah, and it's not because of Disney+. Normies even know this movie is the most generic shit Disney will ever put out.
>POC lead
>le bad whitey
>good box office run
lol... lmao even
when will they learn?
the villian looks latino to me tbqh
he also looks FRUITY
Aren't heroine and villain alike North African Moors?
No it didn't, it managed to just about scrape to breakeven-ish. It just wasn't as much of a disaster as it looked like it was going to be (Lightyear level of failure)
Not successful
>Aren't heroine and villain alike North African Moors?
the villain's voiced by the very white Chris Pine, and since Disney subscribes to the Current Year mandate that voice actors must share their character's ethnicity/race, that means that the villain is also a white guy.
But he's voiced by a white guy and they aren't allowed to voice anyone isn't also white in the year of our lord 2022+1.
Moana was a hit and Encanto bounced back big on Disney+. I get why they are trying a brown again.
>I get why they are trying a brown again.
You will never see a Disney movie starring white people again until they get off their ass and make Frozen 3 or Tangled 2.
>Moana was a hit
It did alright at the boxoffice, but it didn't have a lasting impression, which meant it couldn't move merchandise or licensing deals after the fact, which is what Disney really looks for in its new IPs. It wants stuff it can make money off for years so it's important the the films create a lasting impression in young audiences and are fondly remembered, so that when those kids grow up they continue to spend money on stuff related to that film, and encourage their children to see it. This is how stuff made in the 1990s is STILL profitable to Disney.
>Encanto bounced back big on Disney+
Disney+ is a money pit, so "success" on there is akin to having a really successful performance on stage of the Titanic as it is sinking.
is it any good? I honestly forgot this was a thing.
The big bad is defeated by thoughts and prayers because we're all made of stardust.
bruh.
What? Did I need a spoiler tag?
nah, it just sounds pretty retarded.
Story and few songs are out. Story is completely retarded. Songs are mid at best. Zero romance. Zero sexy. Big conflict makes no fucking sense.
>North African Moors?
Spaniards, who may be partailly moor.
No, the setting is off the Iberian peninsula pre-reconqista (otherwise there wouldn't be kingdoms) so they're moors
the implication is that he has huge balls
Asha stole her sidekick from Esmerelda, what an unoriginal hack.
Is the entire joke of this character "he has Sir Patrick Stewart's voice?" Because that seems exactly like the type of joke this character has from the trailer and commericals
Yeah I think it will do just fine at the box office.
Elemental did fine and so will this.
Since Frozen 2 the only successful animated Disney or Pixar film has been Elemental.
No.
Calling Elemental successful is a bit of a stretch. It broke even and then some, but it was quite a disappointment by Disney's standards.
It did 250% of its budget in box office. That's a success by every metric except coke fueled exec. And given Disney had 8 god damn films that bombed in a row before that, Disney's standards should be considered lowered. While I'm sure Disney would love for all their films to do 400%+, they fucking don't.
2.5x budget is breakeven. That's been the rule of thumb for decades. Disney gets more out of merchandise but that's offset by Elemental's profits happening in a way that's bad for the studio (high overseas percentage; more legs than front-loaded)
>2.5x budget is breakeven
1.5x-2x is budget breakeven depending on how much marketing a film got. 2.5x is a success. Don't bullshit.
Fuck off disingenuous nagger. Anyone can Google
>Box office 2.5x rule of thumb
And see I'm right and you're wrong so suck my unwashed anus and go back
>Fuck off disingenuous nagger. Anyone can Google
Yeah. And you didn't. Fuckwit.
Do it bitch. Google what I greentexted and post the screencap. Do it you little pathetic fucking pussy hahaha
I gotchu senpai.
And just to make a point
>Box office 2.5x rule of thumb
153,000 results
>Box office 2x rule of thumb
10,200,000 results
>Box office 1.5x rule of thumb
249,000 results
The latter result is because it counts times people say to add 1.5 times the budget to the original budget, so effectively agreeing with the 2.5x figure. Almost nobody ever says 1.5x is breakeven. 2x is still often cited though.
50/40/25 is much better
When you Google the 2x search all the results for 2.5x and 2-3x pop up
Elemental's budget was $200mil. We don't know the marketing budget, but we can guess based off of Lightyear and Strange World that it was around $100mil. So that's $300mil spent for the movie.
The movie made $494.7mil. Let's just round it up to $500mil. Theaters keep at least 50% of box office revenue. So the film ACTUALLY made $250mil. That means, with no other factors, they probably lost around $50mil on the movie. If we add some give-and-take rule since some overseas theaters take a lower percentage, some would take higher, and maybe the marketing budget was actually lower range, then it's possible Elemental still lost around $20mil.
This amount could potentially be made up in merch and digital purchase sales, but to say that THEY made 250% of its budget back is just untrue. Just looking at the flat numbers on Wikipedia, yes, it SEEMS like the movie made over double its budget-- but Pixar did not get to see all of that money and marketing is not accounted for in that stated budget.
The 2.5x rule of thumb operates under the assumption ancillaries and marketing cancel each other out. But then theaters' cut needs to be factored in
50/40/25 is less used because it's harder to do and requires the final figures whereas most of the debate about this stuff happens when people want to make estimates
I would expect so. There's still a big group of people that want to watch a Disney princess musical. I don't think the movie will be good, and Win Or Lose will reignite the political shitflinging about Disney's image, but financially I think Wish will be ok. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
Win or Lose will be a death knell for Disney. You thought the boycott of Budweiser was bad after the Dylan Mulvaney crisis? Win or Lose will be ten times worse.
I actually tried searching, and they haven't mentioned its supposed December release date for a while. Is it being pushed? Worse?
The whole situation is terrible. I actually feel bad for Pixar on this one because Disney never indicated they had any problems with the show's direction until the whole thing became close to finished (cancelled season 2).
Disney needs to make Pixar completely cut the transgender plot or Disney will have a situation even worse than with DeSamtis and Reedy Creek.
I haven't heard anything about the series other than appearing in a preview for Disney+ for the next year.
The trans plot is probably really tame. I personally don't care. Doesn't matter. The internet discourse and the long fallout are going to be unfathomable. I hate having to stare at an atom bomb knowing it's going to launch months from now and there's nothing I can do. I had the same feeling when the Turning Red novelization was dumped here months before the movie came out.
Turning Red was nothing. A transgender child being encouraged to assume a new identity in a cartoon targeting kids is the nuclear war everyone fears.
Turning Red SHOULD have been nothing. I know your point is WoL will be worse, but you obviously don't remember how bad it got if you're trying to downplay it. All that autism about a coming of age story that mentions periods 30 years after Only Yesterday did it.
Troonshit is the absolute line for the popular majority, and I say this as a neutral observer. You put that shit in your property and it will be destroyed.
Transgender minors is the bold line that, if crossed, will make the majority of the country boycott the company indefinitely.
>majority of the country
Country is understating it.
>Troonshit is the absolute line for the popular majority
>push a message hated by your target audience
>your target audience is the only demograph that is both invested enough to fight back and has a big enough financial leverage against the company
They would have sneak the troon shit somewhere else like cartoons that parents leave on or is mainly watched by manchildren.
>They would have sneak the troon shit somewhere else like cartoons that parents leave on or is mainly watched by manchildren.
They are doing that, they are having children's show characters introduce themselves with their pronouns and shit now. Parents found out and that's what made them pissed and turn against Disney, among other things.
I remember seeing that transformers clip. Has it happened anywhere else?
I read about the Paw Patrol spin off but I found out that was a Dumbledore thing (the show itself didn't say anything about being trans, you only know if you saw the creator's social media)
I forgot the Disney show but there was a scene on a pirate ship with a talking parrot that introduces themselves with their pronouns, they're targeting the kindergarten demographic with it and presumably hoping parents aren't paying attention in order to get away with it. Pure creepy groomer behavior of the highest Disney variety.
NM! It was We Bear Bears Babies where that scene happened.
I don't know any Disney examples off the top of my head, maybe I'm wrong
Probably will make like nearly half its budget.
>Disney
>CGI
flop
The MSM and social media deny it, but Disney has a major groomer reputation. The "THROW A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE IT LAME AND GAY" meme has gone viral and is further destroying the shitty company in the eyes of zoomers, millenials and especialyl gen Alpha kids who are Disney's target audience. Last family dinner even my 12 year old nieces and nepphews were talking about the Panderverse and talking about how much Disney sucks now.
I don't know anything about this film. I haven't seen any trailers for it, I don't know the story, all I have to go off of is the image in the OP.
Immediately this makes me think of Aladdin, with the dude looming over the poster as the genie. I expect him to a charismatic scenery chewing character who gets the best, most memorable songs in the film. Any scene he's not leading is going to suck.
The protagonist is pretty stock for modern Disney, a willowy princess in a dress, but with dreads because she's black. The title and the way the characters are arranged makes me guess she wants something very badly, has a titular wish, and strikes some kind of faustian bargain with the wish granting dude (I am assuming that is his role cause of the genie parallel) to get it, and shenanigans ensue.
I can't infer anything about where or when this is supposed to be set, so it might be some totally imaginary world. I see a castle of some kind in the background so I assume she's the princess who lives there, or will be, by the end of the film.
There's nothing overtly offensive or off-putting about this, except that I can see it be extremely boring, despite the scene-carrying charisma of the wish dude. The reason is simple: I don't think this movie is going to have a villain, or even a real conflict in it, beyond the main character's own hubris. This is a fatal flaw in many Disney/Pixar films made over the last few years. They lack strong conflict, lack antagonists for the protagonists to overcome. The "antagonist" is often just inter-generational values not aligning, or not communicating, or something faggy like that. The problem, even if is nominally supernatural, is always healed through some mundane, hokey means like talking things out as a family or hugging your mom. It's lame, anticlimactic, and unimaginative.
Tell me I'm wrong about the details, I don't care.
I'm not as lucky as you and saw a couple of trailers, and I'm sorry to say that you're very wrong about the wish granting dude.
>and I'm sorry to say that you're very wrong about the wish granting dude.
That's what I get for giving Disney the benefit of the doubt. I set a pretty low bar for my expectations and they still tripped over it like a penguin with its legs tied together. So it's going to be Encanto 2 pretty much, a movie with a charisma vacuum, without a single strong personality to pull it together, devoid of dynamic motivation or conflict. My jaw is already creaking from the yawn this movie is going to induce. If nothing else this film will be a good sleep aid.
Your movie concept is 12 fucking times more interesting than what we get.
Disney only made Moana to help sell their cruiseline and Hawaii resort kek
What is this? I don't remember seeing anything like it in the storybooks. Does the king have an epic transformation?
I just can't over the fact that the issue with the badguy is he won't grant everyone's wish. Why is that a problem?