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She's ok. Not much to go off of.
Hope they use her well in future stories and don't feel like she has to be attached to Whisper and Tangle.
She's okay on her own -- a mission control-type character -- but in the context of IDW she's just compounding their problem with focusing on OCs.
I wouldn't say they focus on OCs. It's more that they keep introducing and providing exposition for OCs. The OCs don't actually get to do very much.
She is very cute.
Man screw waiting for some writegay to make something like this I'm making something for my self.
as a shadowgay i wish shit like this was real
give him an authority figure that justifies him butting heads and conflicting with the main heroes while still being on their side, instead of him being android saga vegeta with down syndrome.
Shadow's personality of being Military Sonic was a good concept. 2nd under "Anti-hero that does villainous things with evil gf, occasionally fighting the main heroes for fun."
Shadow would back her up at first but slowly falls out of favor as she starts taking more and more extreme measures.
>eventually, Lanolin comes to understand that no matter how hard she tries, the world will always be rife with lies and corruption
>and even worse is nobody wants to do anything to change it
>nobody, except for one egg-shaped man
in my fanfiction she's very Machiavellian. She forces Starline to work as her head researcher after using his own hypnotism gloves against him (he survives because of his improved metal virus but is partly zombot as a result)
Is he a dog in the second drawing?
nah, just weird concept art quirkiness.
it's interesting how they already had the idea of him being a cyborg
>Killed the only good OC in the entire comic
>Now we're just stuck with discount android 17/18
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
>“good”
>literally just Eggman but not as good and can’t make his own robots
>has no actual goal of his own other than bothering Eggman
>is so effeminate, homosexual and unintimidating that he can’t be taken seriously as a threat
>gets comedically beaten up by Amy in the arc where he’s supposed to be a dangerous twist threat
>is actually such a joke he managed to make Zavok look cool in comparison
No
the worst part is they could've actually done something like him being a doting father for essentially what are his OCs, but nooo Ian just had to insert "LE GENERATIONAL TRAUMA" bullshit that's in everything nowadays.
>Starline introducing Surge and Kit to Eggman
heh
Ian thought Starline dying while having a breakdown would be a really cool moment and a suitable end point. And he was right.
The problem was that the few stories Starline got weren't very good and the execution of his death kinda sucked.
i wish we got starline as their sassy gay dad
>Your opinion on Lanolin so far?
Beepable.
They’re here to Cry, and to rely 100% on the Wisps to do any minor fighting.
And they’re all out of Wisps.
Lanolin has strong abilities that match her affinity
Elaborate on that
The cowbell around her neck is actually her Wispon. When her Magenta Wisp, Maggie, enters it, Lanolin can fire off concussive blasts of air and can also use it to create waves that can echo around her like sonar.
how is that a strong ability that matches her affinity? It's not even her ability, it's the Wisp's ability. It's not even strong, it can only stun small badniks. And it doesn't match her affinity because magenta wisps and sonar have nothing to do with Sheep.
She could have a natural strong attack if she just butted things. Could even have a charged attack that would be some kind of spin dash head butt.
1. Sticks
2. Whisper
3. Tangle
4. Sally Acorn
5. Tails
6. the rest
By what metric?
Sex appeal
I see
I wanna see what the bell cudgel does
Boring. The most stock girlboss character ever. Power is boring and relies on whispshit.
Literally only coomers like her.
We're talking about Lanolin, not Sally.
Sally relies on Whispshit? Since when?
Her laser batons from the reboot were actually wisp powered the whole time
TETAS GRANDES. MUY BIEN.
LAS TETAS CON EL LECHE.
MUY LECHE
*GLUB GLUB*
EL Black DOBLE!
DIABLOOOOOOOOOOO
She *could* have potential, but she's just going to end up as a generic-ass addon to the dyke squad that does absolutely frick all.
my OTP
Surge is LITERALLY for Kitsunami
The lamb that sold the world
>lanolin's horns grow as she becomes more and more corrupted
>soon everyone forgets she was once a sheep and only know her as a ram...
Design changes not allowed for main characters, baka gaijin
Oh yeah, I've seen that anime.
Wasn't this just a background character
Do any of the game characters get to do anything or do the MANDATES get in the way of that?
She was added to Frontiers as DLC
"Mandates" are a cope tactic.
Sonic Mania Adventures avoided all of IDW's pitfalls and it was a silent advertisement.
>Sonic Mania Adventures avoided all of IDW's pitfalls and it was a silent advertisement.
SMA was also a fricking nothing web short with fun little moments. It had no plot, so there was no need for mandates.
>another dumb vidya weeb who thinks the comic should just be game centric
You want an early cancellation? Cuz just making comics using nothing but the game assets is how you get an early cancellation.
Shhh...don't say that in front of Adventuregays. They're still delusional enuff to be autistic about power scaling in a series where the most useful technique is pressing Jump twice.
>It had no plot, so there was no need for mandates.
That's not how brand compliance works. A lack of words does not suddenly make the magical mandate fairies disappear. Every piece of media is assessed and given feedback based on brand guidelines and standards.
If you really think this is a problem, give me something to go off of beyond a nebulous "The Sega Mandates would buwwy poow Tyson uMu." What would be the problem. What standards would hold it back. Why are Barnes and Scott somehow immune to the evil mandates?
Why Ian the ONLY PERSON working on Sonic who attributes his mistakes to corporate mandates?
>Why Ian the ONLY PERSON working on Sonic who attributes his mistakes to corporate mandates?
Evan's brought them up too before, Yardley too.
>who attributes his mistakes
Gotta learn to read, anon.
It's actually the OCs who don't get to do/accomplish anything. But they keep introducing them and putting them in the forefront. Reminds me of playing DND and someone putting all this time into a character and having a big introduction and then they end up fading into the background and just being a pack mule and decoy.
How do we feel about the influx of Lanolin DLC? I like her gameplay in Mania but her frontiers debut left a lot to be desired.
Is she the new hotness in the Sonic community?
Yes, yet ironically she is also busted.
She's just Sally but better.
>team leader
>of a team that doesn't need leading, because Whisper is already the tactician and serious one, and Tangle/Whisper don't have any long-term goals
>not even a good leader, she has zero confidence, is mopey and isn't smart or a good tactician
>has nothing else to her character. She's not a love interest, not a princess. Just a leader who isn't needed to lead anybody
A smart writer would do something with this. Like, say, have Lanolin try to lead them but realize they don't need her at all.
>>of a team that doesn't need leading, because Whisper is already the tactician and serious one, and Tangle/Whisper don't have any long-term goals
Whisper is a loner and has problems communicating to anyone other than her wisps and Tangles so she doesn't fit a leadership role. Plus, as you mentioned, Tangle/Whisper don't have any long-term goals which opens the way for someone else giving them that direction
>>not even a good leader, she has zero confidence, is mopey and isn't smart or a good tactician
Everyone stumbles at first. Lanolin clearly has bigger ambitions which is a notch above everyone else.
>>has nothing else to her character. She's not a love interest, not a princess. Just a leader who isn't needed to lead anybody
She's had less than three issues featuring her so far. Of course we don't know much more than the bare bones.
I do like both
She's not better then Sally until Sonic enters a romantic relationship with her and they have implicit sex
she looks so much better with the dress
she’s like rouge without the bawd factor
Even her concept looks befuddled
>busty sheep b***h
>literally dick sucking height
>you could feasibly lift up her tiny little body and frick her tiny animal snatch without a moments notice
what did they mean by this
The Sonic fanbase is so mindbroken it isn't even funny anymore. They obviously hate the franchise they're supposedly fans of, otherwise they wouldn't keep latching on irrelevant minor background characters and turning them into important OCs.
When IDW goes under, the next company that gets the license should have the following conditions: they can use literally any character that has ever appeared in any Sonic game, but in return they cannot create new OCs for anything more than irrelevant background cameos.
dishonorabu
commit seppuku
>When IDW goes under, the next company that gets the license should have the following conditions: they can use literally any character that has ever appeared in any Sonic game, but in return they cannot create new OCs for anything more than irrelevant background cameos.
FRICKING THIS
The only comic OCs should be villains or bit parts.
you should be killed
>If you like a side character made for the sake of expanding Sonic universe in a comic format, this means YOU HATE SONIC!
Meds. Now.
That's just gonna make every single issue be about Sonic fighting Eggman in Green Hill Zone.
One of Sonic's biggest problems right now is how overly reliant it is on "memberberries as evidence in Frontier's cyberspace levels and Ian Flynn's entire style writing.
Best case in that scenario is comics become like power puff/looney toons comics that DC used to put out.
Works fine long as you don't scream for muh lore
>I am the one who knocks.
>If it weren't for people like me, no one would be able to go to bed peacefully
She and whisper have fat milkers out of 10. I love it.
I completely forgot about her. She's not an interesting character.
She's as boring and shitty as all the other IDW OCs and that bell is fricking moronic. How the frick are they gonna justify any sort of stealth op shit with her clanking her shitty bell any time she moves.
She is basically just Sally with a shittier design and no other character hooks beyond "leader kinda but not really because this is sonic's book"
Imagine the smell
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Sheep_Physiology
Sheep-based abilities they could’ve used:
Head-butting/Ramming, like Juggernaut
Shock-absorbant wool (making her a tank-build powertype)
Static-charged wool (too similar to Surge?)
Cloning?
Sleep-manipulation
Not everyone needs gamebreaking powers. Some character's appeal is that they do the heroing without any powers.
Lanolin has no such appeal. Her Wisp does the heroing, she doesn’t do anything. And the Wisp doesn’t even do more than stun badniks.
Jewel already fills the role as the normal person with no powers. The lamb is completely pointless, unless they make her a secret villain.
>Go on important missions
>wear a giant fricking bell to announce your location
I hope Ken files another lawsuit.
Pretty sure he'll get assassinated if he makes the Sonic fandom any angrier
imagine shaving her naked and making a comfy scarf out of her hair.
>I hope it was worth all time pain... As long as you want whisper smile at the end of the day...
>how the frick... How the FRICK am I supposed to be happy? Lanny, we were friends... But you just threw it all away for one stupid fricking squid!
>Tangle, you don't understand what's people like me go throw. We don't have the same pleasures likes you, every day we fear eggman turning us into mindless androids...
>Tangle, despite all my flaws... I still love you..
>I hope someday you and whisper will forgive me...
Rookie is Venom Snake.
Cute sheep, has potential.
beep
I like her a lot, she's a favorite of mine and I want to see more done with her
What was Sega thinking by adding Eggman Black into their franchise?
most of their OCs seem to be female, seems odd.
They aren't just female, most of them are just there to doubt themselves, suffer and cry. Whisper, Belle and Surge are all like this to an extreme degree. It's clearly someone's kink.
Not sure why your post got deleted. This is a very reasonable take.
No it wasn't.
I prefer the real lanolin
For me its her
I’m wondering why people are suddenly talking about her so much
How do I make my OC version of Tails & Sonic popular? how much money do I have to pass onto the morons at Archie, IDW, Sega in order for them to publish my comic book UNEDITED/UNALTERED? basically I'll already have the working product and Sega only needs to approve it and market it.
Still nothing in particular. Why do people keep asking?
Really you're gonna delete any post talking about her fat big breasts?
When did a bunch of homosexuals become mods?
Definitely a recent development. Probably the same one who keeps moving the Funbag Friday threads to /aco/.
It was around the time election tourists came in during 2016.
she didn't deserve this...
Now we've got two Sally Acorns wearing a sheep's skin and a pink hedgehog's skin.
Are all modern day fem Sonic characters now strong and independent female wAhmen?
>introduce two new replacements for Sally
>everyone sees right through it anyway
Gee, it sure was worth it to create these redundant new characters instead of reusing the old ones.
Surge is not strong and independent. She’s submissive and beatable.
I don't know, the writers tried really hard to make her come off like that. "But she was defeated", yeah well she broke free of her own mind control with hardly any effort and managed to get the drop on that evil flamboyant male incel.
I like the backstory and potential Surge had and has, but the writers are dogshit and can't write women.
Someone just really has a thing for mopey sad girls. Whisper was reservesd and competent, Belle was cheery and optimistic, Surge was a badass and irreverent. But they all ended up reduced to blubbering piles of self pitty as soon as they were put under a microscope.
She was only beaten by Sonic. That's it, she can defeat everyone else and her main antagonist that mind controlled her was immediately defanged by her when she used the hypnoglove on him.
She was specifically designed both in and out of universe to be Sonic's rival. So that's her true metric for comparison.
She needed to exhaust a temporary power up just to ALMOST kill base Sonic with a fricked up leg. I don't know if she's ever going to get a better chance than that.
You know she'll be redeemed and will eventually have a moral one-up on him. Modern writers almost always, go in that direction if a female character is "evil".
"She's in a sense more powerful than Sonic because she resisted the evil men manipulating her."
You know Ian and his friends will do this in some form going forward.
I don't expect it, the way you do so confidently.
Have you lived under a rock for the last ten years or so? Men are weak, women are strong. That's just how mainstream fiction is written.
Normally sure. But it doesn't seem like the IDW OCs are exactly given the treatment of first grade citizens.
Have you not seen the bit where Sonic is the only guy present among all of these female OCs? Clearly women in this IDW version are THE powerhouse behind the Rebuilders or w/e the heck this organization is.
And they are almost all ineffectual or minor. Which is the issue. I don't think they are ineffectual because they aren't allowed to succeed as females mind you, I think the issue is there's a restriction keeping ANY of these OCs from getting a leg up on the existing cast. Then being female is incidental and apparently isn't a guarantee to let them show off girl power.
Well, if being female is incidental, then why are nearly all the new characters female? Why not a mix of guys or ladies then? Ian is implying there is "girl power" in this comic series by the sheer number of additions and page time.
They are actually about cut in half male to female, or rather they were before Lanolin stepped into the foreground. It's just that Starline, Kit, Rough, Tumble and Mimic are all antagonists. While among Lanolin, Belle, Whisper, Tangle, israeliteel and Surge, only Surge is an antagonist.
You forgot Clutch.
Also, the villains are really poorly utilized.
Ah, so that's why it feels like the female cast is so much bigger, because the male cast has basically become irrelevant.
Speaking of poorly utilized, everything about Surge and Kit. Why are they both practically stapled to each other when there's not a lot going on between them anyway? Surge would fit like a glove as part of Rough and Tumble's crew, with the three of them filling a decent Team Rocket niche, rather than just have R&T be a bootleg Bebop and Rocksteady. Meanwhile Kit could work as a solo act, with him being the end result of a Tails without a Sonic (Tails Nine essentially, but without any potential red tape).
>Jon has a girlfriend these days.
Liz was there from the start, and her being Jon's girlfriend doesn't change a whole lot.
Which is baffling considering how long he's been at this for. Hell, why is he even a comic writer if he's so poor at rolling with the punches? That's like one of the most valuable traits you can have in being a writer.
You've got terrible taste, lad. I'm glad you don't work on these comics.
>Surge would fit like a glove as part of Rough and Tumble's crew, with the three of them filling a decent Team Rocket niche
I can see that being the concept for an issue or two, but I doubt it would stick.
The only male OCs I can even think of are all villains. Rough and Tumble, Starline, Mimic, Kit, that possum guy.
mimic is going to see the end of lanolin's glock as his final destination.
>no PLEASE lanolin, frick, please don't- oh god DON'T- DON'T DO IT, PLEASE. I CANT WATCH-
Wouldn't Whisper be more fitting? Either way, I hope not because he's cool. I like him because he's an octopus, and octopuses are cool. And villains shouldn't be wasted so easily.
shame there's not more stuff of Mimic tentacling the Sonic girls
Yes, and antagonist, protagonist, male or female, all those OCs have the same issue of having no agency or influence that can impact anyone but another OC.
I'd expect them to say that but they would be factually wrong. Worse still Surge hallucinates the guy that manipulated her the most because she apparently needs someone to manipulate at all times.
She doesn't care. She literally just wants to defeat Sonic.
While kicking 99% of the asses that stand in her way and eventually she WILL beat him in some form. It's just the times we live in. One way or another Surge will come out on top whether SEGA likes it or not.
Literally none of that matters to the character herself, and you aren't in the comic to root her on for being second best.
I don't know, Surge very quickly conquered her demons (Starline) and making her obsession with Sonic her own when it was supposed to be Starline's obsession imposed on an unfortunate pawn. The Pawn became the Queen in a handful of issues. is that not concerning to you? Surge's character development is basically done besides her being redeemed.
surge is the key to IDW. she's a funny character, on unlike written before.
My problem with presenting getting over Starline as an accomplishment is that it was a reconned road bump, and she was implied to think very little of his incidental existence when introduced. So it felt like a lot of drama just to get her back to where she started.
And tails with some jumper cables.
>the writers tried really hard to make her come off like that
Yeah, when I see a character have a panic attack as she crawls into a vent mumbling about how everyone is out to get her, I think "strong and independent."
Is Lanolin a speed-type or a power-type?
She’s a wisp type
Surge is the speed, lanolin has the power, and kit is flight (somehow, don't ask me)
Why would she be with Surge and Kit? Lanolin, Tangle and Whisper make more sense.
Tangle and Whisper are too weak. They're useful to an extent but when the time calls you need some real b***hes you can rely on.
>relying on Surge
Good one anon.
Surge is a useful pawn. Powerful but stupid. She's basically built to used by those with a tactical inclination.
Those masks look dumb as hell.
thank god they didn't use your sorry ass for inspiration then, they'd been sold out at the circus.
>Characters have to fall into rigidly defined "types"
>Characters are classified by the "Team" they belong to
>Intrinsic elemental properties
>Shadow as a focal point of the narrative
Sonic Heroes introduced so much extra autism to this series, holy shit.
Perhaps
Marine as a power?
also who is that yellow one on the forces team? an oc?
https://www.deviantart.com/frostthehobidon/art/Sonic-Heroes-Teams-779234464
Apparently It's Shadow's girl Maria as a hedgehog
Silver being on any team with Blaze would be utter dog shit, just put the Koala dude from Rush
Adventure out of spite.
Silver's connection to Blaze doesn't make any sense after Sonic 06. Isn't his Blaze different from the Sol Dimension one?
Theres only one Blaze now, the Sol one. If it happened in 06, forget it.
What do they even have to with each other then
Nothing, really. Nowadays he's little more than Blaze's moronic little brother in spinoffs.
Silver is for whisper.
Damn right.
Actually, now I wonder... has Blaze interacted with Silver post 06 at all?
A few times
Mainly in text games like Colors DS. They always squeeze in a line about how they fight in sync, as if they've always known each other.
which is always stupid bullshit, just erase the connection and stop saddling Blaze with that insipid moron who cramps her style.
Silver needs his own team already so they can stop saddling him with Blaze. Blaze so should only be saddled with Marine.
Silver Age team was kino
even if it was 1/3 Evan OC wank.
aye shame we didn't get more AOSTH character's in Archie, Collie Chang in that art style would've of been pure sex
who the frick is that dog boy with antoine and rotor
who the frick are those two with gemeral
>who the frick is that dog boy with antoine and rotor
I think that's the post-reboot Muttski.
That's Ben Muttski. He was Sonic's uncle's dog in SatAM and Archie until the Super Genesis Wave made him a mobian character.
>who the frick are those two with gemeral
Trailer create-a&character from Unleashed + Maria as a furry.
*Forces
Disappointed there weren't any fleetway teams made.
I'd swap israeliteel with Silver, she ain't a fighter.
Then put Shade in Blaze's squad
>Rough (or tumble) for power
>Surge for speed
>Kit for flight
Team Job reporting for duty!
rough and kit are both blue so he has to go.
If they could still use Archie characters then Thrash would make a great Power for them. Their whole team would be dedicated to seething at Team Heroes.
Their 3D models are the ones from Archie Sonic #257 I believe
seeing these old ass archie charcters drawn in the modern style is so fricking weird, but it's kinda interesting
did they do this for many characters or just the main freedom fighters? i imagine most of them got penderized
I thought about this before but this just really set it in for me
You see this kind of talk everywhere sonic
She's a nothing type. She has no powers. She's a use a gun and pray she isnt put on another "big wave" operation.
I really want to like this comic so bad. But the effects of the supposed mandates are impossible to separate from my enjoyment of the comic. I'm always subconsciously wondering what decisions the writers would have made with less ridiculous restrictions. I can't help but notice how the OCs seem to be sadled with all the emotional baggage but also aren't allowed to really accomplish anything and are forced to take a backseat to the game characters when shit has to get done. I actually liked Starline, Kit and Surge but the story went out of it's way to shed any doubt that any of them have any hope to be a serious threat to their rivals/counterparts. And I can't help but feel like we are still stuck in Sonic Forces status quo, with all these wisp reliant OCs and keeping the stories shoehorned into the boring cities introduced in Forces. I never liked ether of these things in the first place.
And I'm sorry, but Lanolin just feels like a perfectly packaged collection of reminders of all those concerns. So no, unfortunately I really can't pretend to care for her, which is a shame because I like her design. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and this comic will finally be permitted to spread its wings and Lanolin will be at the center of it all. But I'd be shocked if things ended up that way. As is I just expect another ineffectual character to add to the Whisper/Tangle/Belle/Jewel pile.
>game characters can't get any characterization
>OCs can't get any wins or accomplishments
Someone put this comic out of its misery.
Exactly. They have both been compartmentalized into what they are actually permitted to do. And I understand it's the writers trying their best with the options they have. But it's still frustrating.
Ian is the only person who complains about this. Evan talks about restrictions occasionally but never puts the onus for criticism of her writing on it, even going so far as to admit that some of the stuff she wants is a bit too fanfic. Every other writer says nada, and most of them over the last five years have produced good content.
At what point do we just admit Ian deflects when he's criticized?
Other writers are clearly obeying the same supposed restrictions in the main IDW comics though. Them keeping quiet about it isn't necessarily a good thing ether. Compliance isn't going to make this shit less of a problem. We need writers who are willing to test the limits and bend the rules, like Sonic getting to cry in Scrapnik Island.
>Guy writes Sonic for nearly 20 years straight.
>Runs into a situation where someone tells him "No" on an idea.
>"Sorry guys, my hands are tied, Sega forced me to write dogshit."
>Guy writes for franchise for the first time.
>Gets told he can't do XYZ.
>"Can I do XWZ?"
>"Yeah, sure."
>Writes a great story with no problems.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Other writers producing good content means that brand feedback is inherently bad and is destroying the comic book. It's definitely not that Ian is stubborn and bad at solving problems with his writing. That's why his pitches are getting rejected constantly and he's the only person who can't adapt when told to change things.
Seriously, he's been pulling this card for like an entire decade, but the things he blames on Sega show up in his other work. How many times does it take for you morons to notice someone is just blame dodging? Penders said the SAME SHIT back at Archie!
Your anecdote is literally exactly what I was saying though. I even gave an example so I don't understand how you interpreted the opposite.
I misunderstood because I'm moronic. Sorry.
All I'm saying is the rules really don't seem like an impediment to anyone but Ian and I'm tired of people acting like they're the source of the comics' problems.
Incompetent writers always tend to blame someone or something else on their inability to produce interesting content.
I wouldn't call him incompetent. The guy can write good stories! People like him for a reason. He just gets stuck in ruts and is too stubborn to deeply re-assess what he's doing. That's why it's so frustrating that he keeps falling back on blaming outside forces not just occasionally, but nearly EVERY time something goes wrong. The fan base eats it up, which makes it harder for him to confront his problems.
I don't think he needs to stop writing Sonic or whatever. I just wish more people would stop taking his excuses at face value and perpetuating them.
EXCLAMATION MARK
question mark?
Am I writing like a jackass?
I'd mostly point to his old stuff. Yeah, a lot of it is propped up by continuity, but he was much looser and more willing to focus on the story at hand than DUDE LORE LONG TERM PAYOFF back then.
Like the issue where Knuckles fights a giant lobster robot while Shadow learns about his past. Or the story where Sonic and Bunnie fight in an oil refinery over family matters until they realize destroying the refinery is best for everyone. Or the Tails Adventure arc. He does so much better when he allows for some whimsy.
I'm sure SEGA isn't twisting his arm to the point where he can't write the stuff you're praising again, or at least a similar quality of story. He's making too many excuses to come off as competent to me, I'm sorry, that's just how he comes across.
"Muh Mandates" SEGA allowed that robot island comic to be published, so I don't see how Ian is chained up and prevented from writing interesting stuff. He's mostly held back by his own politics no doubt, which is why he has flooded IDW with background female OCs.
I just don't think that's a matter of competence. It's more a lack of focus and stubbornness. If it was a competency issue, he wouldn't have been able to write good comics in the first place.
I find a lack of focus and excessive stubbornness via a lack of discipline to be signs of some level of incompetence. But w/e, semantics and whatnot.
I haven't really seen a good story written by him yet. From what I've seen it's mediocre and late Marvel-tier at best. He needs to take responsibility for his mistakes and use the opportunity to accept the criticism and use it to improve his work.
There's a reason Ian doesn't get much if any work outside of IDW.
Most indie writers would be pushing their original stuff. Ian, doesn't even bring this up.
He didn't write that so I don't know why he would. Your post sounds like you just wanna trash him instead of discuss.
Sigh
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/956779147/sylvanna-year-one-the-graphic-novel-and-webcomic
Yeah, he advised Dawn on it.
It was still mostly Dawn's comic. He put his name on it to try drumming up interest. It's really not his work.
I dont really know what he has put out. There was that manga like comic with the airships and the buff chick but I think that's abandoned.
The fact that the Metal Virus arc was something Ian was planning since the Archie comic run, only for it to be one of the worst parts about the IDW run, speaks volumes about Ian's writing capabilities.
Just says he can't adapt very well.
It doesn't say anything
I know, aside from israeliteel, all the other female characters are essentially the same in terms of overall personality. They're all emotionally battered in one form or another and sound like they eat carpet.
Lanolin’s horns make me think her super transformation would make her look like the devil
>More OCs
>When Sonics character roster is already bloated as frick
For what fricking purpose?
More waifus. Waifus sell.
>>More OCs
>>When Sonics character roster is already bloated as frick
>For what fricking purpose?
game characters can't develop in any signifigant way to even suggest the illusion of progress that keeps most comic readers coming back, so they make OCs for the game characters to bounce off and to carry the burden of character development that they can't do with the game cast...
except that the OCs storylines can't really outshine the presence of the game cast nor can clash with the canon lore, so the OCs development is so rushed it feels like pointless filler.
And that is where we are with this book. Pointless filler only appreciated by Sonicgays
I feel like there's ways around this that they are ignoring though. Like you can have OC villains who's criteria for succeeding does not require them to outshine one of the game characters. Which is what I THOUGHT they were doing with Starline, who was initially shown as succeeding at his schemes without requiring a hero to take the fall. But then they decided to make his entire existence about needing to be better than Eggman, which he's not allowed to do, so he hit a brick wall.
I also kind of see what they were doing using Whisper to show the emotional impact of the zombot stuff, but she felt too far removed from the main cast at the time so it stuck out as being awkward instead of meshing with what the heroes were experiencing and representing a common sentiment amongst them.
They could also use some protagonist OCs with defined goals that can actually be accomplished. israeliteel, Tangle and Lanolin just kind of exist and Whisper and Belle are stuck in status quo forever concerning their baggage with Eggman.
>"you threw away MY sandwich?"
>"the moist maker?"
>"the sandwich I ONLY get once a year because of left over turkey after thanksgiving?"
>"lanny please, i-i'm didn't kno-"
>"i feel SO bad for you... oh my god, i can't believe what i have to do next because of this..."
>"lanny you don't have to *sniffle* do this. i ate it because I was hungry ok?
>the lemur is innocent- the burden of gluttony lies with me, not her. please put down the gun or atleast aim it at me-
>good idea
Now to be fair, this isn't your typical subway 5 to 9 rush meal sammich. this is a sandwich lovelying constructed by the hands of a family member. Whisper committed a grave sin in this sitch, and Lanolin has to fix her messes as a devote ewe.
what kind of sandwich was it holy shit
what kind of psycho would kill over food?!
it's really quite simple. lanolin saw that her "teammate" committed a grave sin, violating her private property by devouring lanny's specially made (once a year) turkey sub. it's not just something you can order at any old deli. this was a sandwich made with the kind of love you only acquire from living with a sibling. she's really doing tangle a favor by beating her black and blue, if no one teaches her the concept of boundaries, who will?
She's not even beating the right person, she's just kicking tangle because she feels like it lol.
This comic should be about Shadow shooting people with guns. These b***hes can stay but they have to show off their breasts.
Aren't there already enough Sonic characters? Why do they keep making more?
Mandates or not, my main issue is this comic is that it's still distinctly Forces flavored even half a decade later (including this story with Lanolin) and I have a hard time believing Sega is forcing that on the writers.
I'd rather have more Surge than exposition on why the boring ass citys from Forces are able to continue to exist.
List of IDW OCs by alignment
>Good
Tangle: female
Whisper: female
Jewel: female
Belle: female
Lanolin: female
Nite the owl: gay male
Don the Rooster: gay male
>Evil
Rough: male
Tumble: male
Starline: male
Mimic: male
Clutch: male
Surge: female
Kit: male
Looks like the editor having a minor in "gender studies" is having its expected misandrist effect.
It's balanced out by the villains all being more entertaining than the boring lesbian OCs, though.
But they feel invisible, like they were a piece of the scenery or something, or like a giant boulder chasing the main character through an ancient ruin.
Evan and Ian had a chance to do something with the Tangle and Whisper mini-series, and they blew it. Of anything, the main Sonic cast is carrying the comic (makes sense in all honesty). The fact that Sega has to keep them in check from turning the book full grimdark (which is a bad thing you idiots) is telling.
Hell, Surge and Kit's backstories are straight out of hentai.
Ian has the face of a man child and has the tastes of one, clearly. He's been coddled by his mother so much, he's obsessed with female empowerment.
Also, a little grim dark is fine, you can't have sunshine and bunnies all the time, otherwise this comic should just be for toddlers.
>he's obsessed with female empowerment
Then why do three of the female OCs just seem to exist to cry and feel sorry for themselves? If Lanolin ends up this way from feeling like an incompetent leader as well, I would not be surprised.
People like Ian think expressing one's feelings is a form of empowerment, it may seem pathetic to us, but to him it's inspiring and powerful (somehow).
It's a very weird ideology that oozes cognitive dissidence.
It actually can be empowering. Especially if their able to channel that emotion to overcome something, or are able to get past their own emotional shortcomings by facing their demons.
But these characters aren't allowed to do that so they just cry every chance the writers get. Even Surge, who was able to overcome her brainwashing, is still set up to be a nope because she's not allowed to finish things with Sonic.
As I said, they the very act of expressing one's feelings is a form of empowerment to them. I should've said "even if it led to nothing", that was my mistake. I mean sure, you're right, if being emotional leads to an empowering event, then sure, that's fine.
It isn't a "little" grimdark. The original pitch for Surge and Kit was that they had been repeatedly murdered and revived during their training. Sega told him to "tone that down" because yeah, that's too fricked up.
The fanfiction stuff gets even worse from what I hear. Especially Evan's.
Well, the zombot stuff is about as grimdark as they got and it wasn't even that edgy or disturbing. It was just a PG13 zombie plotline. So, yes, it was a "little" grimdark even though the original was supposed to be a bit heavier, but it was rejected, so, here we are.
Wasn't the Zombot arc just something they were doing to do in Archie before the license got pulled?
Honestly didn't seem grimdark to me. No one actually died after all. Now Zom being freed and being told by Zavok that he is a "consumer of all" was dark cause you know he ate all those villagers.
There was no implication of death or other forms of permanent harm? Well shit, forget what I said then, it's a elementary schooler's version of a zombie outbreak. "Beat the big baddy and everybody turns to normal, no questions asked."
It feels like they were going to do an instrumentality goo story but didn't run it by Sega well enough before they started. Silver sees a future where the planet is a perfectly still metal sphere and Rough and Tumble established that zombots can be disfigured and reform themselves. But when it got to Sega characters they clearly
>Couldn't be shown fully changing on panel
>Couldn't have their designs distorted or altered from the approved "zombot design"
>Couldn't be shown taking egregious bodily harm
so it all ended up kinda flat. Easy solution should have been making the nanites that spread the virus turn into a thinking metal liquid that was crowing as it spread the infection. That way they could still do the broader idea even if Sega said no to Shadow becoming part of the Metal Tang.
But we could go all day talking about problems with the Metal Virus arc. Holy shit. Worst Sonic comic storyline since the Penders days.
How was Silver born in the future if the entire world was metal?
We don't question how time travel works in Sonic. It just does.
>Worst comic storline since the Penders days
No shit. Member when Cream had this big heartfelt speech to Gemerl about not using lethal force on the Zombots only for the next issue to say "frick it" by letting Omega go fulgore on everything? Or how Shadow is the Ultimate Lifeform and canonically immune to all diseases but somehow still got infected?
Even if they tried to explain this shit, it wouldn't make it any better.
I think you could make it a good story with some tweaks. It just focuses on the wrong things.
Shadow’s not immune to all diseases, that’s something the fandom made up that has never been said in the games. He’s ageless and they were gonna study him to stop Maria from deteriorating
Literally in his Mario and Sonic bio. There is no exception to being "immortal".
Immortal means you don’t age you dumbfrick. Shadow can still be killed by hitting him really hard, just as he can still be affected by diseases.
Immortal, Noun, is not subject to death.
Seems like an open and shut case to me.
>Not subject to death = can not be encased in liquid metal
???
I should not have to explain the difference between immortal and invincible to you on account of you being too stupid to understand english.
Look at literally every character in fictional history that’s been described as “immortal” and nothing else. Every one of them can be killed, it always refers to the fact that they don’t age. Only difference is their fans aren’t low-iq projecting tards too mentally stunted to accept it. Shadow nearly died in his debut game of all things and had to be saved by Eggman nursing him back to health in a bacta tank.
Actually he was meant to die but got brought back due to his popularity. Sounds like you just hate Shadow.
Doesn't explain this shit.
Telling you the truth about your manbaby self-insert doesn’t equal hating them. He had to be saved from dying by Eggman after SA2, therefore he can die. Just like he can die in every game if you frick up and get hit by an enemy. Eggman also says he can die in X, which was written and overseen by the game creators. Shadow also said he had to get revived from the dead by Eggman in the character interview segments written by Sonic Channel.
See
They clearly got the ok to do it to the skunks and didn't consider that game characters would not be afforded the same flexibility. Despite Ian saying for years that OCs are necessary because they have less wiggle room with game characters.
OCs are not that necessary.
I think it's worth throwing in a couple if it's a long term project, if only because it serves as an outlet for additional creative freedom, is good for marketing, and gives you an out when you write yourself into a corner.
But yeah, you don't need them to write good stories.
Let me rephrase you do not need long term OCs.
I dunno, I think they're fine. Nothing wrong with it.
Just actually use them well.
No you don't understand and I'm certain the above anon will agree with me.
Sonic is a mascot franchise first and foremost, you do not separate your franchise into 300 different characters, you stick with the loser until the entire generation that grew up on him finally dies or 3 generations die.
Sonic is to be treated like Garfield, Heathcliff, Peter Pan, Megaman.
You may change his personality, but never his look, people need to recognize him.
You make a few characters and you fricking stick with them, you don't diversify and muddy the waters and spoil the broth by spreading the diarrhea in 900 different pokemons. Why do you think Pikachu refused to evolve? IN A FRICKING FRANCHISE ALL ABOUT EVOLUTION. HUH? Why do you think?
Sonic should have alter egos like Knuckles, Shadow, Silver imo, we should not create 2 billion hedgehogs. Sonic is to be treated like Batman & Spiderman through 2 billion incarnations each with their own flavor just like Megaman, but just like Megaman you need to separate them and feed each niche enough for them to become a mini IP on its own which Megaman understands. Hasbro & Sega do not understand and thus they end up in generational problems where each new generation either caters to different audiences or caters to the same moronic audience BUT NEW AND SHINY with very slight alterations.
Megaman never had generations, it had different IPs like X, Legends, Zero, Battle Network, etc.
That's fricking stupid. By that logic DiMPS was in the wrong for adding Emerl, General, Blaze and Marine to their licensed spinoff games. They were the ones who pitched these characters for their projects.
>No, that's different!
Not really. There's nothing wrong with letting authors make new contributions to the brand. If they have value, they persist. If they don't, they fade away. It's really that simple.
>Sonic is to be treated like Garfield
Garfield radically changed its core cast even after Jim Davis stopped actually working on it. Jon has a girlfriend these days.
Holy shit, imagine making the current franchise owners look smart. This shit is why you guys aren't in charge.
Don't blame us for one moron.
The zombot virus doesn't kill you. It makes you metallic and makes you irrational. May as well say he's immune to mind control because he's immortal.
Is the Zombot virus a "virus" or a bunch of nanomachines covering you? And if its the later, how does it let you turn sludge if its just covering?
Man did nothing in that arc make sense.
It's a legion of living nanomachines that encapsulates every cell of your body and incorporates you as part of itself. So no, it's not actually a virus, they just call it that because zombie cliches.
>But how does that not kill them??
Same way Sonic runs at Mach 2 without his sneakers bursting into flames: it's a children's series. The whole thing is just the same old nebulous "corruption" plot that's been in fiction of all genres for thousands of years. Ian just wanted to reference the "Metal" multiplayer skins from Sonic Heroes and write a large scale corruption plot where heroes fight each other at the same time.
The arc has problems, but "how does the evil goo work" isn't one of them. Chill.
That makes no sense at all even for a story about a blue hedgehog on meth.
Hell, at least roboticization in the old SatAM and Undergournd cartoons made sense. This looks like a classic case of someone trying to have their cake and eat it too. It also clearly isn't an "infection" cause Super Silver literally yanks it off everyone in the end.
Man did this story arc suck.
>That makes no sense at all even for a story about a blue hedgehog on meth.
It is literally the exact same as evil purple gas coming out of the Earth's core making people mean and angry. It's just a corruption story with a different flavor than you're used to.
You sound autistic.
>Defending the metal virus arc
>You have to either spout bullshit that makes no sense or defend a bad comic book, there's no in-between!
Frick off.
Metal virus is the second best arc.
Metal Virus is a top ten comic arc across all Sonic comic continuities.
>at least roboticization in the old SatAM and Undergournd cartoons made sense
>The magic robot machine that shoots lasers that turn your flesh and blood into robot parts and brainwashes you unless specific magic items unrelated to it are in your presence makes sense
>The magic goo that covers your body in metal and makes you act like a zombie does not make sense
Some of you guys just refuse to accept anything that's not your own childhood, goddamn.
It’s nanobots that act as a virus. When Tails makes a hologram of one it’s shaped like like a viron.
Fun Fact: Real viruses are speculated to actually be machines as well.
>Immortal body
This means his physical body can't decay. He can't get cancer or die from being old.
Shadow was created specifically so he can never get sick. He was MADE so Geral could study a way to get rid of Maria's space AIDS for that very reason.
I do believe Shadow can die but I don't believe he can get sick.
Or to put it simpler, being the cure for cancer and AIDS doesn't mean you can't catch the flu.
Why do you care about that stuff and not that the vast majority of the arc was
>"AAAAA MY FRIENDS ARE ZOMBI I SAAAAAAAD"
and drawn out fight scenes with poorly established villains?
>Or how Shadow is the Ultimate Lifeform and canonically immune to all diseases but somehow still got infected?
The Metal Virus uses nanomachines, it's not a biochemical disease.
Jesus Christ. yes. Doesn't help that it's one of Ian's favorite games at all. I'm so glad Sega told him they're trying to move past that and block his autism.
They both make about sense in a story about rubberhose characters, calm down.
>Doesn't help that it's one of Ian's favorite games at all.
Since when?
>The original pitch for Surge and Kit was that they had been repeatedly murdered and revived during their training
Why did they assume that was even in the table? Maybe these morons do need mandates.
You figure they would pick writers who could at least read the room.
But Anon, Maria died, remember?
A chick dying offscreen means that any ridiculous grimdark shit is totally not stupid to put into a series about a super-speed hedgehog.
Sega's also been very firm for years now that dead means dead, no matter what, with exceptions only in extreme circumstances (Shadow because $$$, lmao). Dying in Sonic is respected way more than in most franchises. Having characters "die" over and over and have magic nanomachines that bring them back to life undermines the weight of death.
How many characters have come back after dying in Sonic media, aside from ghosts/spirits?
Knuckles in Archie.
Shadow.
I think that's it. Fleetway never really killed and resurrected anybody. The games are adamant that robots like Chaos Gamma and Gemerl are not the same "person" as Gamma and Emerl. Chaos and Tikal are spirits.
Tikal. And nowadays they won't even use her.
>aside from ghosts/spirits?
Didn’t she only come back as a spirit?
>Hell, Surge and Kit's backstories are straight out of hentai.
Wanna explain that one?
He thinks Dragon Ball is hentai cause they showed boob and peepee in it.
Two characters who are captured/kidnapped who then have their bodies modified and their minds broken/brain washed to make them compliant.
Yeah, this is right out of Prison Battleship/Kangoku Sekkan.
Dude it's literally just android 17 and 18. Complete with erased pasts. Their initial attitude towards Starline was even the same as how 17 and 18 saw Gero too.
I missed the part in the Android saga where this happened to 18.
I agree, Evan does understand things better than Ian. The chao races arc in particular was an excellent use of Cream.
I think she still has problems with struggling to get a good thrust behind her stories and adding some spontaneity. Stuff's a bit too sterile. But I have to give her credit for actively trying to improve and taking the rabid fanbase discourse without resorting to deflection or putting herself down. I don't think her writing style is well suited for what the comic is designed to be, but I think she does pretty well in spite of it and I really respect that.
Hopefully she'll keep improving, and hopefully Ian starts really digging into his own stuff. Adam puts a lot of love into Drogune and I'd hate to see it flounder again because of the writing.
It seems less an issue from an objective writing standpoint and more that Evan better suited to a girls manga (which are generally "sterile"). That's generally what the comic turns into when she's given the female cast to play around with for four issues.
I wouldn't agree with that. It isn't nearly melodramatic enough to pass as a CLAMP manga or an issue of babysitter's club. I'd just say she tends to focus on a broad theme instead of interjecting little tangents and twists into her stories. Like how the whole camping src focuses its action around the escalation of the fire while Barnes' Scrapnik would change focus for the threat occasionally.
Well, its still a Sonic the Hedgehog comic, no way would it go full shoujo.
>Melodramatic
Last time we had that was the metal virus arc and that fricking sucked.
>Last time we had that was the metal virus arc and that fricking sucked.
Yeah she didn't write that, that's what I'm saying, she doesn't go full melodrama. Evan leans a bit more conversational and straightforward than some fans like, but I don't think that's a "girl comic" thing.
>I missed the part in the Android saga where this happened to 18.
That's why I said initially.
Initially her and Kit talked about just killing his ass as soon as he stopped being useful. Someone obviously thought more crying female OCs would be superior.
I think Evan has better sense for what the brand is going for than Ian, but she's still a bit disconnected and is aware enough of that to seek further clarification. I can't really fault her for it, she's actively trying to improve her output in ways people can observe.
The OCs (and game cast) need stories where they have agency and contribute things in order to make other stories work. The problem is that Ian and Evan mostly focus on establishing info, setting up and ending, and then executing the ending. I think Evan's gotten better at filling the gaps in between (her Surge arc was pretty good), but they both struggle with creating engagement.
Like, Starline's starting point (Eggman goon) and end point (utterly destroyed by over planning and only trusting himself) are solid. The issue is that in between these two points all we really got was attempts to build up to that ending. Starline only ever did things that built up to his master plan. Ian tried to salvage this by characterizing him as overly careful, but that isn't a satisfying read. Instead of constantly telling us his arc, they should have shown us. Show Starline hatching a strange plan for an issue and the end result is... a small town is now better off? A criminal was caught by Sonic and friends? Now with these bits the reveal that he wants to improve the world has weight! We've seen his motivation in action. We've seen him succeed and how he plans. So when he goes for a Hat Trick and Eggman DECIMATES him and he's sitting in rubble, clutching his head, having a breakdown as the ceiling falls on him, it hits the reader! He was a bad person, but he was blinded by his lofty goals and the reader feels pity.
I need more evil female OCs.
That's why Surge is appealing to me as well, even though the writers fricked up her story and lore.
Archie had tons.
Surge is definitely into masochism isn't she.
With how much she gets her ass beaten, she might as well start to enjoy it.
I too want Fiona back, she's the only one not affected by the lawsuit and his creator still holds the rights.
>the only Archie character
>her
Actually, Penders owns her. They can use the robot version, though.
By that logic, Penders should only own Anti-Sonic and not Scourge.
Indeed. But that was the logic Penders used to get possession of her, and Archie was long past the point of giving a shit, so they agreed. She's his now.
Source?
Dude, trust him.
Hmm, actually, he admits Fiona is Gallaghers. Wow. I'm surprised he didn't raise a stink. Guess he doesn't give enough of a frick. But given the while Anti-Sonic/Scourge thing, you'd think he would.
https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1479276776601755653
>Mina is also safe
Thank god.
>But given the while Anti-Sonic/Scourge thing, you'd think he would.
That's because Scourge is actually somewhat popular outside the Archie circle.
She really did excel at being a b***h. And I mean that in the best way possible.
They should reintroduce her so she can still be one towards Tails like those bullies.
>Picks on a kid half her age and messed with his feelings
Wow, you're SO cool. Real model citizen, what next? Are you going to rob the elderly next?
Based PSYCHOPATHlin, knowing the true ways of crime.
>rob the elderly
You monster.
>"shhh, it's ok tails... aww you poor thing. girls can be SO AWFUL, trust me, I know. a boy like you needs a woman, not some hussy like her."
>"you can stay over at my place if you're feeling down, i got games and those BANG energy drinks you kids love."
>"i don't really play video games, but I could invite sonic if that-"
>"i just forgot i'm in the process of moving, silly me!"
>"You're spoiling him too much. Let me show you how it's done."
RED ALERT
I'd always take more of my girl Fi.
best b***h
I kinda liked her old haircut better though, the new one makes her look like a bit of a fivehead if it's not drawn correctly.
I don't mind the fivehead so much. It makes her look more like a sonic character honestly. But both are cute.
>In an alternate universe Sonic got himself a fox gf
He already has Tails though?
why waste our time posting this garbage, if you like youtube so much, just be a nice little shill, namedrop your leader and frick off.
It's only like that because the already has a lot of good-aligned male characters.
>Good-aligned female characters
Amy
Rouge (mostly)
Cream
Blaze
Sticks
No, it's just IDW being a feminist cesspit. And yes, there are mostly male characters in general cause this is a boy's/shonen franchise. The 50/50 gender ratio is not only unnatural, it's also wrong from a creative standpoint as the 3 male 1 female ratio has been the standard since the the Fantastic Four when it comes to Super Hero books which Sonic partially falls under.
>Amy
>Rouge (mostly)
>Cream
>Blaze
>Sticks
5
>Male
>Sonic
>Tails
>Knuckles
>Vector
>Espio
>Charmy
>Shadow
>Silver
8
That's 5 to 8, and I let you keep Sticks even though she hasn't been introduced proper. If you add Tangle, Whisper and Lanolin it becomes even. It has nothing to do with rampant feminism, your perspective is just wrong.
Yes, there are more males because this is a BOY'S/SHONEN FRANCHISE. The 50/50 gender ratio is not only unnatural, it's also wrong from a creative standpoint as the 3 male 1 female ratio has been the standard since the the Fantastic Four when it comes to Super Hero books which Sonic partially falls under.
Keep adding female heroes and watch as your readership drops. Correct ratio is 3 to 1. Also doesn't change the fact that almost EVERY IDW MALE CHARACTER IS EVIL while almost EVERY IDW FEMALE CHARACTER GOOD.
I like how you kept "almost" lowercase.
>Yes, there are more males because this is a BOY'S/SHONEN FRANCHISE. The 50/50 gender ratio is not only unnatural, it's also wrong from a creative standpoint as the 3 male 1 female ratio has been the standard since the the Fantastic Four when it comes to Super Hero books which Sonic partially falls under.
Sonic has a lot of female fans, it's nearly even.
Superhero books always have female sidecharacters paired off with each individual male character and multiple female villains to even out the sausagefest. Yes even Fantastic Four.
honestly I could see them adding more female good ocs to male simply because female ocs are an easier sell to fans by virtue of horndoggery
>Nite the owl: gay male
>Don the Rooster: gay male
>Starline: male
Come on. Everytime he talked Eggman probably thought there was a steam leak somewhere.
Unless we get some kind of actual confirmation from Ian, I can't say for certain. Gay or not, Starline is a massive homosexual tho.
I would like to think it's because they want to use him in other projects so it's left vague, but I doubt it.
Sonic is only enjoyable because of cute girls. If it didn't have any it would be trash.
all of these cute girls are implied lesbians though. Why should a guy like myself care if these women are just into each other? There is nothing to draw me in.
Lesbian/Lesbian is 200% gay.
Team woke: Amy Tangle and Whisper
Team based: Lanolin, Surge and Kit
I need to draw Surge being cuddled or fighting guys in a "loving" life and death battle more often. I hate having responsibilities like paying for a mortgage or working. Gah.
What's the sauce to this
no sauce, just posted in a Sonic related thread.
Can Kit get an outfit like that too?
2:39
>lanolin clutches her chest one night after having a nightmare
>"why. why did it happen? we were so fricking close to losing it all, but i'm just supposed to sit down and shake my head at their calls..."
is this all fanart or did they really make that cute sheep girl who at a computer desk in the background some type of commando
They made her a prominent character. For now anyway.
She was in a jumpsuit fighting the fight back in the Metal Virus issues. They've ping ponged her around various background roles until ~2 years ago when they gave her a proper name, design and personality. Last few months finally introduced her as a proper character.
Adam says his view of her is "the one normal person in Sonic's world" who reacts like an actual person would, but he has no control over how the writers or Sega want to use her. Ian's going with "voice of reason and worrywart." We'll see Evan's take over the next few months.
> "the one normal person in Sonic's world"
How odd. israeliteel is already sold as the ordinary person. Belle’s whole schtick is acting as ordinary as possible despite being a robot (which doesn’t factor into anything because she has no robot abilities or traits). Even Tangle’s so ordinary if enthusiastic that she basically functions as an audienfe sureogate just wanting to come along on the adventure. If you ask me the IDW writers are way too addicted to this safe, boring idea of an “ordinary person” just tagging along every time
Normal as in being completely flabbergasted by the mental dissonance necessary to go "WHEW, WE DEFEATED THE ZOMBIE HOARDE, WAY PAST COOL!!" israeliteel is a civvie but still acts like a Sonic character. Belle wants to be accepted by others but still acts like a Sonic character. Adam's initial idea for Lanolin was for her to be constantly tired, low enthusiasm, and just unable to grasp how these people act like these horrible things are funny cool adventures.
Yeah, I bet she goes commando. It's probably hot under her clothes because of the wool.
Imagine the smell
>Imagine the smell
There is almost nothing there. She is kind of boring just another tough girl.
This comic is very uncreative.
The IDW continuity fricking sucks. Give me my fricking Archie continuity back you talentless fricking hacks.
Your shit waifus are gone forever.
Archie is bad and IDW is too much like Archie.
Don't make me say the n-word, b***hes... I'll fricking do it
>please stop laughing... the doctor said I only have six months so please... just leave me alone..
>watch out everyone, here comes chrome dome. haha just playing, but no seriously someone get her a hat or something, or someone's gonna go blind like she's king neptune from the spongebob movie.
>is... is she seriously crying? frick I didn't realize how soft people could be nowadays, it's just banter you big crybaby.
>...i don't think it's very funny...
>and who asked for YOUR opinion? Ugh, she's so annoying...
I can see Tangle being a toxic girlfriend who abuses Whisper, but the writers try their best to make them seem like a healthy couple.
JerkDouglas and his drawings of women being abused really does something for me.
Sonic is such a boring fricking franchise handled by morons hired on nepotism who get so uppity and jealous that they start firing the actual talent.
Pieces of shits refuse to hire actual Japanese artists and writers to make their comic books. They keep insisting on pretending they're advertising for the western audience when the fricking westenr audience wants eastern influences on their Blue Felix the Cat cartoon.
Why would IDW, an american publisher, ever offer foreign japanese writers dirt-level minimum wage pay to write for their american comicbook being licensed in america? They would all make much more money just working in their homecountry. Jenhen quit IDW because they were paying her less to be the lead artist than she was making just doing commissions.
Get out of here with your “muh eastern anime influences” bullshit. It’s all just business. Idw is just cheap western advertisement.
>lead artist
She was a backup. And her work was low quality.
And it's specifically porn commissions where she makes her money.
The writers are not very creative.
Stupid gay duck
>Create queer rep
>He's evil and lays eggs
This is bad.
Evan would’ve made one the Hedgehogs gay by no if she could
the only good OC in the whole comic. I don't like gays but starline is so well written I forget how much a fruit he is.
Gay for Eggman
I disagree with all of you as I think there is only one major problem and that is the lack of creativity.
Your comment is uncreative.
damn just kiss already haha
Well yeah, but that lack of creativity is manifesting itself in a lot of different bad ways:
>main characters doing stupid shit to make the plot work
>OCs that do nothing but cry
>no menacing villains
>no real cohesive setting
Millennial Western "Men" aren't creative generally, so it's no big surprise.
Like I do not think that loosening the restrictions will at some point make a great comic.
Ian if you're reading this right now, I beg you turn lanolin into the next baddy
I feel like giving her a dark backstory where she did bad things because she was naive is more interesting. They could set her up as the potential baddie and reveal she's let go of her past.
>dark backstory where she did bad things
Oh JESUS CHRIST, no. The last thing IDW needs is another whiny OC with a tragic backstory.
She only has a tragic backstory because of Sonic's negligence. If eggman was dead she'd be happily settled in her home town.
Her hometown is still there, Sonic defeated the robots and her vague generic village was perfectly fine afterwards.
Trauma can't be fixed that easily. Sure she's back to square one but she had to fear for her life the whole time, and those demons will haunt her for the rest of her life. Unlike sonic, she rather deal with the problem head on instead of just patching it up thanks to some magical artifact.
The more you try to force this shit the worse it gets, just stop
Nah, I'm ride and die on this shit. But you're perfectly fine leaving. No one asked you to stick around.
Good
What bad things?
Noone is allowed to kill. There’s no countries to conquer or wage war against. The only well-known villain is Eggman. Clutch is proof there is no criminal underworld in the city. Did she steal reportcards from little kids or something? Because that’s the only type of villain left to be in IDW, like Rough and Tumble and Surge.
Call me gay, but starline? He can get it
>Another fricking thread over this nothing character
IDWgays need something to talk about because the book itself is boring as shit
The funny thing is that Lanolin being boring is what makes her better than the other OCs.
The rest have no potential (Belle, Tangle) or have had it squandered (Whisper, Surge), but Lanolin could actually potentially be interesting.
Granted, she only has potential in the sense that a blank page has the potential to be a gorgeous painting, but it's still funny that even that is better than the other characters.
call me gay, but lanolin? she can get it
breasts! Breasts!!! BREASTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABBBBBBBRRBRBRBRBBRBRBRBRBBRBRBRBBRBRBR
>Puts on comically huge tie
>Clears throat.
>Flintstone running SFX.
>"I'm happy to see ... EWE."
Why are her breasts so big?
Hi Ian, I hope the lanolin special delivers.
You're a fool if you think the two sonic threads even approach the level of the spider-gay threads
He's right though. Charactergay spammers that do nothing but post threads saying "I love her so much bros" are a blight on this board
OP here is at least asking for opinions on a new character though. That invites discussion, even if people are going to waifugay over her.
Mods watch threads about anthro characters like a hawk. The Litterbox Comics threads have it even worse anything even remotely sexual get deleted almost immediately.
I remember making a Sonic thread and getting 404'd after just 3 posts. Ridiculous.
What was your pic and opening post?
SEGA I have come to bargain on the mandates!
This comic doesn't have the upload speed to keep fricking around with this filler bullshit. I'm not waiting half a year just to get 6 chapters of generic bullshit.
By the way IDW 59 got delayed today to April just thought you’d like to know
Oh boy can't wait to wait another month so I can see 30 pages of "Sonic effortlessly wins and Shadow says he's here for plot mcguffin that'll be destoyed in the next chapter". Frick, if this was an Archie comic Belle would be forcefully transfiguring herself into a living being or Surge would've sent Sonic to the ICU. Instead it's just 100 variations of Sonic jumping around hallways as his cast of groupies that share 1 brain cell each get their one pow moment on a single throwaway enemy each.
Holy shit I just made a joke about Sonic's friends all having 1 brain cell half an hour ago
They're all so fricking one note.
>Tails: "Sonic, my ipad says the plot is in this direction and that we have to do this thing here. Don't ask me how I know this, I just do."
>Knuckles: "Sonic, I heard Eggman was planning on stealing the master issue in five issues from now so I'm here to help you stop him before he does that. This page will be referenced 5 issues from now when we fail to stop him."
>Amy: "I am calm and reasonable and I agree with Tails, we need to do the plot thing soon."
>Tails: "Haha yeah whooo adventure yeah fricking goddamn holy shit I fricking love making funny faces and taking up entire pages going on about how much I love being a pale caricature of Sonic's worst fandom traits."
>Whisper: "I'll help."
>Blaze: "Sonic, I'm here because the writers are fricking obsessed with me! I'll help you with the villain of the week, just don't make a habit of this!"
>Silver: "Hey, the future's fricked again. I'm a more optimistic version of Amy except I'm somehow more likely to suck Sonic's dick."
>Surge: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Woops, called Tangle Tails by mistake. Her fricking name would absolutely be Tails if it wasn't already taken though.
Swap Blaze for Silver as the character writers are undeservedly obsessed with, Blaze getting use in IDW seems like one of the few improvements over Archie.
Blaze has done nothing in IDW. She got two Sonic Universe to herself in Archie and was prominent in the first Sonic Universe issue.
she literally spent a whole issue in a cage in her own arc, I liked Captain Metal and her going Burning but Archie really nerfed her frustratingly and she was never allowed to be super plot relevant.
That was to create a plot where Marine and Cream and Amy need to work together, if the cage is flame-proof she naturally can't break out of it. They did the same in the games during Runners.
Besides like you said she turned Burning right afterwards and soloed Death Egg Metal. And I remember during Megaman she was the only one who destroyed an entire army of the Robot Masters with her flames
fair point, guess was just a bit frustrating how they made her a bit less self reliant but that was a major part of her arc in Rush was learning to count on others.
lol nice job. Though I wouldn't include that part about Tangle being a parody of the Sonic Fandom. She's not that interesting, she's just a flat audience surrogate.
Blaze barely gets used because the writers never have any ideas for her and Surge being a spastic is a good thing.
How in the 9 circles of hell is this thread still up.
The power of Sheepussy
>Sonic IDW 61
>releases May 31
The first issue after this crying lesbian friends arc is finally over will be all the way in July. 4 months from now.
I bet it’ll be about Belle.
WHAT, I thought this arc ended in like 2 more issues. Jeez man If we go through this middling arc just for more belle I'll be frickin pissed.
I kind of hope they just go back to surge, at least when she's around something fun happens.
3 more issues. 59 in April. 60 in May. 61 on the final day of May. Then the first issue when crying lesbian friends is over will be in July.
>Stolas and Starline racing to see who can suck the most dick in a day.
Sleeper agent for eggy or villain in her own right
So I guess the tldr of this thread is that the comic could do way better but overall the sheep is ok?
Yeah sure
Surprised no one posted tihs.
how does she smell?
I would guess of woll products and different conditioners.
If it's anything like actual sheep, probably musky and like actual shit.
oh, you sweet, naive anon
How does ABbreasts keep getting away with it?
cute sheep
>Baa?
How long before we get a "dark" version of her in the form of a black sheep?
> gets fed up with Eggman's schemes
> gets fed up with Sonic's antics
> gets fed up with everyone's laxidasical attitudes
> gets fed up with the world government's ineptitude
>Lanolin goes rogue, dyes her wool black & starts a PMC to change the world
Punished Lanolin better be the endgame, or else she's as useless as the rest of them,
>Lanny, why are we stocking up on nuclear weapons?
That would be interesting which is why it won't happen
>dyes her wool black
I am seriously kicking myself for not coming up with that idea.
Ligmalin
I don't like that.
Cute
She is Lan
It's fricking weird to name a character after their skin oil
Like naming a person Sebaceous Fluid
>Sebaceous Fluid
Sounds like a fantasy wizard.
sounds like he has a mystical menagerie and uses an Otyugh for trash disposal
>Sebaceous Fluid
Is it wrong to say that sounds like a cool character name for a con-man
lanny and jade~
I'm pissed off that she got snubbed for the stupid sheep.
source?
https://spiritsonic.tumblr.com/post/684714177326104576/genuine-question-bc-i-found-out-you-work-on-idw
Wtf, is that a Rosechu reference?
can't unsee
Well, she has big jugs. I mean, her boobs are huge. I mean, I wanna squeeze 'em. Mama!
Sonic finally mogged Shadow in the "having a girl with huge assets" department.
What happens to the sheep if IDW goes under?
the sheep goes under on me
(checked)
Sega made sure that they own everything this go around
Made into lamb chops.
Why won't Sonic beep the sheep?
He isn't Welch.
Her and Sonic remind me of Woody and Bo Peep
Its pretty good. i like how it smooths my hair
I wonder if Bollers and Gallagher are even aware of what they own. Or care.
Bollers? Is that Mammoth Mogul's creator?
Karl Bollers. He made Mina.
Why can I see her fingers?
Surge- 0
Floor- 1
Gods she's so pathetic it's cute.
>Surge acts tough but is actually the most scared and useless
She literally cannot help but be pathetic can she. It has to be Ian's humiliation fetish or something
>She literally cannot help but be pathetic can she.
She can't.
it's so late... i'll post more and better stuff at /sthg/ tomorrow
They should introduce a human live interest
Are humans besides Eggman even canon at this point?
Animal people live on islands, hoomans live on the mainland
Okay then
Sweet dreams, sweet sheep
>mwah, you as well anon!
Goodbye Lanolin