You're out for your customary morning stroll around the city walls when this gentleman blocks your path. He appears convinced you murdered his very close relative.
What do you do.
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You're out for your customary morning stroll around the city walls when this gentleman blocks your path.
Patroclus was his very close, not gay at all, friend, not a relative.
it was his cousin, it's cool, it stays in the family
Call Hector
But anon, what if you ARE Hector?
Impossible, Hector is always a side character
>MOTEC EXHAUST SYSTEMS
familia bros... I don't think we can deal with that
Incredible that this movie still stands out twenty years later as one of the most high test movies since the 80s and it's still a sanitized mass media-approved version of the story told by Homer
Besides the gods directing the war, what else was left out?
>The fact that every non-goddess female character is a sex slave, Achilles in particular has multiple at a time
>The scene where Odysseus and Diomedes execute an unarmed prisoner because he's a "womanly" coward
>The scene where Athena gives Diomedes the ability to see the gods for a a split second and he 360noscopes Venus
>The scene where Hector picks up a massive boulder and hurls at inhuman speeds to break the gate to the Greeks' camp, a feat that Homer describes as "impossible for men in our degenerate times"
>The part where Achilles' mother visits the forge of Vulcan to have him craft Achilles a new shield, whole sequence is pure kino
>Every aspect of Achilles' rampage is watered down, even his horses and chariot are coated in gore
I'm know there's more but I haven't read the book in years. Also the movie is incredibly uncharitable to the Atreides, especially Menelaus
If you're an expert Homer and Aristotle's poetics(which comments on Homer), then I need a doubt clarified.
I've never read poetics I tried reading the Nichomachean Ethics and I thought it was too dry so I'm saving Aristotle for later. Just started Herodotus though I got the Landmark version with all the maps it frickin rules
Menelaos and Ajax were done so dirty in that movie it's not even funny.
Did Diomedes make it in the movie at all? I haven't watched it in a long time I remember Aeneas was only in it for a split second as a Marvel cameo where he fricking says his own name, Diomedes is probably a bit part too or did they cut him out of the movie? Seems crazy to leave out one of the main characters
Why are white people so violent?
They're less violent than nonwhites but they've been literate longer so there's more stories about it.
>The Aryan Conquests or "Indo-European Migrations" as they're now called
>Hellenism and the Roman Empire
>The Age of Exploration and the British Empire
White people have always been the most successful race in terms of violence, it's only in our modern domesticated times that we've forgotten this
Achilles' son's wrathfulness was frowned upon even by the Greeks, who worshipped Achilles for his one-man massacre. Romans of course loved Aeneas because they managed to link themselves to him as descendants, and medieval Christcucks latched onto Hector because the only character that even comes close to the concept of Christian chivalry, they even went so far as to include him as one of the few pagans admitted into Heaven. Of course both of these groups disliked Achilles, for obvious reasons.
>Greeks
>white
>mixing Romanised names with the og's
ishygddt
I read the Pope translation it's impossible for me not to. I don't even remember what Vulcan's Greek name is
Hephaestus
also Venus is Aphrodite
How the frick do you homosexual westoids read this shit and think
>holy hecking tradition we must retvrn to being godless homosexual rapist murder machines
how is this any better than modern degeneracy? Do you think that if you lived in these times you'd be part of the 1% of successful career soldiers and nobles instead of the 9% of people that get clubbed to death with your child's corpses or the 90% of broke starving peasants that got drafted into wars over nothing or and got their villages burnt down every six seconds by the people Homer wrote about?
Christianity didn't arrive to unfrick us. Then when it went away we got liberalism which cucked us into only murdering brown people in the middle east.
>muh degeneracy
There is no homosexuality in Homer, you should rope
I would've been a warrior prince with a harem of beautiful war brides, cope, seethe, 40% troony, malding, incel, etc. etc.
>he doesn't have the bronze age mindset
ngmi
https://pdflake.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Bronze-Age-Mindset-PDF.pdf
>Christianity didn't arrive to unfrick us. Then when it went away we got liberalism which cucked us into only murdering brown people in the middle east.
Nobody wants to hear some skeevy little rabbi worshipper's opinions on homer maybe get swole and get some pussy gayit
>you homosexual westoids
Go the frick back
>a feat that Homer describes as "impossible for men in our degenerate times"
also Diomedes b***hslapping the god of fricking war
Chadomedes
>>The part where Achilles' mother visits the forge of Vulcan to have him craft Achilles a new shield, whole sequence is pure kino
huh?
Achille's son clubbing Priam to death with his own grandson.
As you do
i wish the movie had achilles' son in it and the boy meets priam's grandson and they become good friends and they do ... stuff
>i wish the movie had achilles' son in it and the boy meets priam's grandson and they become good friends and they do ... stuff
What book is that in?
Accuse him of antisemitism.
i would hug him and then kiss him and then sex him and then ask him if he has kid brothers or boy cousins
Easy. Find a car and run him over. This is my world.
did anyone remember his name?
Jim
the boy actor is jacob smith he is insanely cute shota hot i wish achilles had sex with him onscreen
i like that type of hair
yes curly brown/blond boyhair is kino like the insanely cute shota hot walker scobell
just curious when does a pedo such as yourself stop finding them attractive
i don't know they never stop being insanely cute shota hot
just curious, has anyone ever stabbed you in the face?
weren't the ancient Greeks very into boy man love or is that a myth
There is some debate as to whether it was a homosexual thing or not.
Didn't answer my question
pederasty was a sort of tutorship for wealthy young greeks. some of the men would abuse the boys
generally when sexual relations happened it was frowned upon
wow what a great start to life being sexually abused
It's a myth that it was ever widely accepted. Homosexuality wasn't a taboo subject for the Greeks of Socrates' time, but the legality and prevalence varied. There's also the issue of corrupted information, such as when Athenians refer to homosexuality being widespread among Spartans, their rivals at the time, which was likely just propoganda or at least shittalking. There were also Greek plays that depicted homosexual relationships, though how controversial these were is still a mystery. One such play is about Achilles and Patroclus being homosexual together, which is why that's another common misconception from "ancient sources" even though the play was written hundreds of years after Homer's death and there's no indication of homosexuality in Homer. It would be like people 2000 years from now believing that Shakespeare was down with homos and Henry V and Falstaff are gay lovers because of a weird fanficition written in 2023
depended on which city you where in
the Spartan were gigaboylovers
Complete bullshit
i don't know i am insanely handsome sexy hot
How do you respond without sounding mad ?
don't say anything just kiss the boy on the lips
>How do you respond without sounding mad ?
you cant
Get up, Prince of Troy. I will not let a stone steal my glory.
Bros is there a way for me to be this chadlike and confident
mediterranean diet
sun and steel
bronze age mindset
this is toxic masculinity and you should not be glorifying it
>ARCHERS, FIRE FOR HIS HEEL
Gg ez
Make peace with the gods.
>very close relative.
Lover.
But no
But yes tho
There's no homosexuality in Homer
It's not homosexual. It's just sex between two male friends. No homo.
nowhere in homer's writing is this even implied
both achilles and patroclus had female concubines and one of the most important plotlines of the entire iliad is that briseis was stolen from achilles and he got so butthurt he refused to fight for 9 years
So the myrmidons weren't a bunch of gay guys fighting side by side with their boyfriends?
This is a troll but still, for the sake of lurkers who are unfamiliar:
But in his inner tent, an ampler space,
Achilles slept; and in his warm embrace
Fair Diomede of the Lesbian race.
Last, for Patroclus was the couch prepared,
Whose nightly joys the beauteous Iphis shared;
Achilles to his friend consign’d her charms
When Scyros fell before his conquering arms.
You deniers are fricking hilarious. You are so insecure with your own masculinity that you can't imagine that some "cool history warrior dude" was gay. It would shatter your world, lmfao. He was gay, get over it. Cope, seethe, and dilate (just like Patroclus did to achilles' booty).
By all means post the Homeric verse that discusses Achilles' and Patroclus' homosexual relationship we'll patiently wait
as opposed to delusionally accepting 1960s onward post-modern understandings of ancient texts in a completely different language
i don't even believe the characters in the poem were ever real, which is why it's even stupider to latch onto the possibility of them being gays
They were 100% based on historical events, Schliemann famously found the ruins of Troy and Mycenae and the Hittites have records that reference a city in the location of Schliemann's ruins
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilusa
Based on historical events as in "There was a city called Troy, and they had conflicts with cities states in Greece". It's likely it was never one "Trojan War", but just a series of smaller conflicts over a long time. Everything else is fiction.
While we're at it the Sea Peoples were 100% the Greeks. It's too much of a coincidence that there were two separate instances of characters referring to long voyages to Egypt for raiding campaigns (Menelaus and then Odysseus' fake life story when disguised). After the Greeks sacked Wilusa and the Western Anatolian coast they no doubt would've worked their way down the Hittite coastal settlements in Anatolia and then Canaan and Egypt.
>If I'm gay that means everyone is gay they just don't want to admit it
rope ys disgusting homosexual lol
HECTOOOOOOOOOR
i wish we got to see achilles rape hector then he goes and rapes hector's brother
6am?
kick him in his weak ass heal
the Greeks didn't have gay sex they just kissed and cuddled. you had sex with women not men, however no sane greek would ever love a creature as disgusting as a woman.
>what do you do
...I would do what really happened, which is my archers fill him full of holes.
Then centuries later, a drunk prostitutemonger will write a story about a place he heard about one time and how the son of an effeminate local god hollered at people because of emotions.
Then centuries after that, someone will butcher even that fictional story in a game of monetary telephone, and it will be a great movie.
But reality, it will never be.
In the poem Hector bravelbwaits outside the walls alone for Achilles, but when he sees Achilles charging at him soaked in human blood he goes full panic mode (a bige deal becaue up until this point Hector is the bravest and strongest warrior in the Iliad besides maybe Diomedes) and Achilles chases him around the city three times before Apollo intervenes to give Hector enough courage to turn and die like a man
sorry for any typos I'm driving right now
>Achilles chases him around the city three times
That's some Tom & Jerry shit
>Achilles chases him around the city three times before Apollo intervenes to give Hector enough courage
Cinemaphile really thinks this slapstick is better than the kino
it's pure kino within the context of the story, it's meant to show that even Hector, bravest of all men turns into a prey animal when confronted with the inhuman Achilles
Apollo? Athena gave Hector the courage by making him think that a friend was beside him or was it a goddess? In any way, Athena tricked Hector by giving him false hope and courage. Apollo was a butthurt homosexual in the entirety of the war and his biggest contribution is guiding Paris' arrow into Achilles' weakness. A b***hass move.
didn't apollo have sex with a boy?
needs a remake closer to the source
Ask your younger brother to snipe him with his bow and arrow as you distract him, ask him to try and hit him in the as yet unnamed tendon above the back of his foot.
Brad Pitt and Eric Bana and Orlando Bloom are relentlessly handsome.
What do they eat
lamb meat
no they eat and drink this
lamb they sex
they eat boy ass and drink boy cum
Who is diomedes in this story? And if he’s important why did they leave him out of the movie?
Just read it, it's literally the foundational text of the Western canon, and nothing from that time comes close to it in terms of artistry, still in the running for Greatest Literary Work of All Time 3000 years later
>Hector the fool who thought killed Achilles
How do you respond without sounding mad?
repeat Achilles' line in a whiney voice
>it was not me who let the boy to take Achiles armor, helmet and weapon
>uuumm actually sir first of all there's no need for name calling and microaggression, as two adults I'm pretty sure we can solve this dispute with dialogue and mutual understanding, further more I believe these conversations are good to be had and ultimately would be beneficial for both our city-states and our people in general
Face the devil and end the game.
I’m still mad we never got an Odyssey film with Sean Bean.
but Odysseus makes it back home alive, a feat almost impossible for Sean