That's fucking stupid. Did anyone doubt Tywin's power when he was hand of the king? If Cersei had gotten rid of the Sparrow and Margaery then she could exert power as Queen Regent and perhaps the strain of not being able to live up to an ever demanding and controlling mother might have take the toll and been the final push. For a character that was always portrayed as somewhat indecisive and not at all impulsive or emotional to make such a snap decision to end his life then was just stupid. What had even been impacted for him that he thought "time to end it"? Tommen seems more like the kind of person to sit and wait for someone to tell him what to do in a panic.
The show never got Cersei's character right, that's the problem with any plot related to the Lannisters. Cersei's not smart or capable. After Tywin dies, she has many people advising her what to do and she turns them all down (including Jaime) because they're men and it's "her turn" to rule. I think she textually says that. She thinks that sleeping around is how men exercise power and that ends up backfiring on her because she gets arrested for sleeping with two men in exchange of favors.
All she had to do was to gain the favor of the Sparrows and the Tyrells. At some point, any woman was going to marry Tommen and she would be Queen, and that's what Cersei couldn't accept.
They do not fuck. She just has him under her spell. She's also 18 currently in the books, Tommen is 9.
>They do not fuck. She just has him under her spell.
That's another part of the Cersei/Margaery story they don't get either.
Cersei thinks her power comes from sex, that she can seduce men to do what she wants. That's why she can't connect with Tommen (and he connects quickly with Jaime instead), she doesn't know how to make people do what she wants when she can't sleep with them. Margaery doesn't offer Tommen sex, but she only plays with him and it's nice towards the kid, giving him the love and attention Cersei won't give to him. Making her sleep with her is all the opposite of what their dynamic is.
I could see it, he's hopelessly in love with margaery and he's a dumb, rash kid
I also could see cersei blowing up the sept, she destroyed the tower of the hand with wildfire to try to find tyrion
Also George is kind of a hack, he'll do anything to prop up douche bag characters like her
>fucks Margaery
No. That was show's addition.
The book's entire conflict is that she fucks around, gets pregnant, and requests moon tea, which alerts Cersei. If she was fucking Tommen, there wouldn't be the need for moon-tea, because she could claim it's Tommen's.
Agin up Tommen and marrying her to Margaery doesn't add anything (except brief sex scene), it actually takes away from the central conflict.
Again, the show died with Tywin.
>TWoW >Rickon leading the charge of a horde of unicorn-riding cannibals down on Winterfell to take the Boltons in the rear
Then he marries Dickon and they become the gay emperors of Essos.
He spent years being second fiddle to everyone else in his family, then thrown into power at a young age and forced to watch his family and life get killed off piecemeal. When his mom kills his wife he's had enough of things happening to him so he ends it.
>sorry to interrupt, the kingsguard are here they say they need to speak to you about irregularities in the treasury >I see...could you get them some wine please mother
No he gave them the plot and is feverishly trying to change to something everyone doesn’t hate; and probably trying to write in some gay summer islanders
well that cant possibly be true since there is no aegon in the tv show and no three headed dragon
your'e a fool if you think he planned anything remotely like the absolute garbage shown in show
>Stannis: Robert was my elder brother. You are the younger. >Renly: Younger, bolder, and far more comely ... >Stannis: ... and a thief and a usurper besides. >Renly: The Targaryens called Robert usurper. He seemed to be able to bear the shame. So shall I.
Imagine being cucked by bunch of cultists
He could have easily freed his waifu since he had the entire Kingsguard and Goldcloaks supporting him and it was proven time and time again that the unrest from the plebs could be easily managed since even fucking Joffrey could deal with the riots.
the show leaves alot of details out for time constraints, so yes, the books are important to know the setting and understanding that it's not just a bunch of irrelevant "cultists"
the show is set in the same universe
now, you can keep saying dumb stuff like lmao it's a bunch of nobody cultists, or you could at least scroll through the wiki to check who they are supposed to be and what role they played in history
There is many differences in the story between the show and books but the setting is almost entirely the same
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I'm saying that there needs to be an expectation that normally projects in different mediums are discussed of their own merits and fans of each one are not expected to consume all seperate projects in order to discuss one, like you expected that anon to have read the book when discussing the tv show.
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I agree with that, but I did not do such thing merely pointed out he didn't read the books or else he wouldn't have made such a silly comment
He'll do the same thing in the books when the ultimate Chad Faegon BLACKFYRE rightfully takes the throne. Daemon > Daeron. Daeron is a nerd and probably a homosexual as well.
I'd be pretty bummed to if my wife, who had been riding my face every single night, got blown up before I could breed her so hard she gave birth to triplets
>“At the dawn of Robert’s Rebellion. The Mad King had sent to the Eyrie for Stark’s head, but Jon Arryn sent him back defiance. >"Gulltown stayed loyal to the throne, though. To get home and call his banners, Stark had to cross the mountains to the Fingers and find a fisherman to carry him across the Bite. A storm caught them on the way. The fisherman drowned, but his daughter got Stark to the Sisters before the boat went down. >"They say he left her with a bag of silver and a bastard in her belly. Jon Snow, she named him, after Arryn.”
R+L=J is for when you're a teenage girl.
N+random fisherman's daughter=J is whfor when you're an adult.
>that's a red herring genius
So Godric just out of nowhere makes up a story about Ned banging a fisherman's daughter just to throw Davos for a loop?
Godric didn't even know Stannis was on the Wall. Did he even know Jon was the new LC?
How does Godric profit from making up a random story about Jon Snow's mother?
The story would have been sufficient without making up the part about Ned scoring some trim.
it's just some gossip going around yea
he likely was repeating someone else's stories or making up gossip to seem cooler
There's no profit to be made, if you have been around social settings enough, you know it's custom to do that
>if you have been around social settings enough, you know it's custom to do that
See, I don't socialize with liars and schizos.
I mean, I might agree on the grounds that the Sistermen are all descended from pirates.
But I think Borrell is much like Ned than say a Walder Frey in terms of honor.
Then there's this completely random piece of art from Pinetrest...
that's fine about not socializing, but I'm telling you even well meaning people tend to do that, moreoverB even in setting, ned wouldn't bite his toungue ultimately dooming jon to the night watch if it was just some random slag, as it was literally what everyone thought already
Basically, Ned's refusal to acknowledge the truth only makes sense if it Jon is in danger, aka being a targ
Lol good crossover dude you're so funny
you're so bitter
guess that's why you're here
i guess thats why they called it doaflipgay
I would do the same if my wife was Natalie Dormer and they killed her
This joke was made immediately after the episode aired constantly
Not to worry. He's fine.
>to the moon starts playing
This really doesn't seem like an action Tommen would take. God, this series went to utter shit after season 4.
ok but we need cersei to become queen and appeal to the childless wine aunt subsection of our audience
That's fucking stupid. Did anyone doubt Tywin's power when he was hand of the king? If Cersei had gotten rid of the Sparrow and Margaery then she could exert power as Queen Regent and perhaps the strain of not being able to live up to an ever demanding and controlling mother might have take the toll and been the final push. For a character that was always portrayed as somewhat indecisive and not at all impulsive or emotional to make such a snap decision to end his life then was just stupid. What had even been impacted for him that he thought "time to end it"? Tommen seems more like the kind of person to sit and wait for someone to tell him what to do in a panic.
The show never got Cersei's character right, that's the problem with any plot related to the Lannisters. Cersei's not smart or capable. After Tywin dies, she has many people advising her what to do and she turns them all down (including Jaime) because they're men and it's "her turn" to rule. I think she textually says that. She thinks that sleeping around is how men exercise power and that ends up backfiring on her because she gets arrested for sleeping with two men in exchange of favors.
All she had to do was to gain the favor of the Sparrows and the Tyrells. At some point, any woman was going to marry Tommen and she would be Queen, and that's what Cersei couldn't accept.
>They do not fuck. She just has him under her spell.
That's another part of the Cersei/Margaery story they don't get either.
Cersei thinks her power comes from sex, that she can seduce men to do what she wants. That's why she can't connect with Tommen (and he connects quickly with Jaime instead), she doesn't know how to make people do what she wants when she can't sleep with them. Margaery doesn't offer Tommen sex, but she only plays with him and it's nice towards the kid, giving him the love and attention Cersei won't give to him. Making her sleep with her is all the opposite of what their dynamic is.
>Cersei thinks her power comes from sex, that she can seduce men to do what she wants. That's why she can't connect with Tomme
She could...
>I am king and hold ultimate power with an army at my command against one woman and can arrest or kill her at any time
>better kill myself
I could see it, he's hopelessly in love with margaery and he's a dumb, rash kid
I also could see cersei blowing up the sept, she destroyed the tower of the hand with wildfire to try to find tyrion
Also George is kind of a hack, he'll do anything to prop up douche bag characters like her
The show aged the child characters with the actors which gets a bit disturbing the more you dwell upon it.
Isn't Tommen in the books only 8 years old and still fucks Margaery
>fucks Margaery
No. That was show's addition.
The book's entire conflict is that she fucks around, gets pregnant, and requests moon tea, which alerts Cersei. If she was fucking Tommen, there wouldn't be the need for moon-tea, because she could claim it's Tommen's.
Agin up Tommen and marrying her to Margaery doesn't add anything (except brief sex scene), it actually takes away from the central conflict.
Again, the show died with Tywin.
>she fucks around, gets pregnant, and requests moon tea, which alerts Cersei
was this not always debatable?
we cannot be certain if pycelle was honest
I assume the moon tea thing is a lie
They do not fuck. She just has him under her spell. She's also 18 currently in the books, Tommen is 9.
Wow whoever arranged that marriage is a cunt for dooming that boy to an old wrinkily woman far before it should of happened
He would rather play with his cats. Based Tommen.
Just because you like wearing a dress doesn't mean you should have a nice day.
The worst child character is by far Rickon Stark. What a tremendous waste of space and screentime
I like him in the books, he's like an even more wild version of Arya
And his wolf is fucking vicious
>TWoW
>Rickon leading the charge of a horde of unicorn-riding cannibals down on Winterfell to take the Boltons in the rear
Then he marries Dickon and they become the gay emperors of Essos.
You forgot Davos riding Cannibal.
Why did he kill himself again? I don't even remember. What a gay. I'm still annoyed they destroyed this fucking show.
Because Cersei blew up the Sept of Baelor with his waifu in it.
He spent years being second fiddle to everyone else in his family, then thrown into power at a young age and forced to watch his family and life get killed off piecemeal. When his mom kills his wife he's had enough of things happening to him so he ends it.
investigators discovered irregularities in the pension fund
>sorry to interrupt, the kingsguard are here they say they need to speak to you about irregularities in the treasury
>I see...could you get them some wine please mother
Why didn't they just let GRRM write the rest of the episodes after the book content finished?
he was busy writting Blood & Fire or whatever that Prequel book was that became The House of the Dragon.
He wrote himself into a corner w ASOIAF and jumped shit to keep chasing money and to start a new chapter in his mythos.
because that would spoil the books
GRRM gave them pointers which are all 100% the opposite of what's gonna happen in ADOS and WOW
No he gave them the plot and is feverishly trying to change to something everyone doesn’t hate; and probably trying to write in some gay summer islanders
well that cant possibly be true since there is no aegon in the tv show and no three headed dragon
your'e a fool if you think he planned anything remotely like the absolute garbage shown in show
>GRRM write
Thats why
>Stannis: Robert was my elder brother. You are the younger.
>Renly: Younger, bolder, and far more comely ...
>Stannis: ... and a thief and a usurper besides.
>Renly: The Targaryens called Robert usurper. He seemed to be able to bear the shame. So shall I.
What the FUCK was his problem?
He thought he was Robert
Imagine being cucked by bunch of cultists
He could have easily freed his waifu since he had the entire Kingsguard and Goldcloaks supporting him and it was proven time and time again that the unrest from the plebs could be easily managed since even fucking Joffrey could deal with the riots.
someone never read the books
>talking about a show
I hate bookfags like you can't believe.
the show leaves alot of details out for time constraints, so yes, the books are important to know the setting and understanding that it's not just a bunch of irrelevant "cultists"
Show =/= book
the show is set in the same universe
now, you can keep saying dumb stuff like lmao it's a bunch of nobody cultists, or you could at least scroll through the wiki to check who they are supposed to be and what role they played in history
There is many differences in the story between the show and books but the setting is almost entirely the same
I'm saying that there needs to be an expectation that normally projects in different mediums are discussed of their own merits and fans of each one are not expected to consume all seperate projects in order to discuss one, like you expected that anon to have read the book when discussing the tv show.
I agree with that, but I did not do such thing merely pointed out he didn't read the books or else he wouldn't have made such a silly comment
He'll do the same thing in the books when the ultimate Chad Faegon BLACKFYRE rightfully takes the throne. Daemon > Daeron. Daeron is a nerd and probably a homosexual as well.
Well THAT'S what I would call a king's landing amirite?
You are. Well played.
I'd be pretty bummed to if my wife, who had been riding my face every single night, got blown up before I could breed her so hard she gave birth to triplets
>“At the dawn of Robert’s Rebellion. The Mad King had sent to the Eyrie for Stark’s head, but Jon Arryn sent him back defiance.
>"Gulltown stayed loyal to the throne, though. To get home and call his banners, Stark had to cross the mountains to the Fingers and find a fisherman to carry him across the Bite. A storm caught them on the way. The fisherman drowned, but his daughter got Stark to the Sisters before the boat went down.
>"They say he left her with a bag of silver and a bastard in her belly. Jon Snow, she named him, after Arryn.”
R+L=J is for when you're a teenage girl.
N+random fisherman's daughter=J is whfor when you're an adult.
that's a red herring genius
>that's a red herring genius
So Godric just out of nowhere makes up a story about Ned banging a fisherman's daughter just to throw Davos for a loop?
Godric didn't even know Stannis was on the Wall. Did he even know Jon was the new LC?
How does Godric profit from making up a random story about Jon Snow's mother?
The story would have been sufficient without making up the part about Ned scoring some trim.
>N+A=???
Barristan + Ashara = Young Griff
it's just some gossip going around yea
he likely was repeating someone else's stories or making up gossip to seem cooler
There's no profit to be made, if you have been around social settings enough, you know it's custom to do that
>if you have been around social settings enough, you know it's custom to do that
See, I don't socialize with liars and schizos.
I mean, I might agree on the grounds that the Sistermen are all descended from pirates.
But I think Borrell is much like Ned than say a Walder Frey in terms of honor.
Then there's this completely random piece of art from Pinetrest...
that's fine about not socializing, but I'm telling you even well meaning people tend to do that, moreoverB even in setting, ned wouldn't bite his toungue ultimately dooming jon to the night watch if it was just some random slag, as it was literally what everyone thought already
Basically, Ned's refusal to acknowledge the truth only makes sense if it Jon is in danger, aka being a targ
N+A=???
>norf storylines
>good
i don't.